While Britain debates a legal definition of the fiction of “Islamophobia” and that spurious concept continues to be the focus of the international media and human rights organizations, this is the real religious persecution around the world today. And no one should be surprised by this: The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS shows that from the beginning of Islam, without any exception or letup at any time or in any place, Muslims waged war against Christians and endeavored to subjugate them as dhimmis under the rule of Islamic law. Why should anything be different now, especially in light of the fact that the Islamic doctrines that gave rise to this 1,400-year-long persecution have never been reformed or rejected by any Islamic sect or school of jurisprudence?
“ACN: almost 300 million Christians persecuted in 21 countries,” by Robin Gomes, Vatican News, November 22, 2018:
“Aid to the Church in Need” released its “Religious Freedom Report” 2018 on Nov. 22, noting Christians continue to be the religious group most susceptible persecution.
Some 61% of the world’s population live in countries where religious freedom is not respected; in other words, 6 out of every 10 people around the world cannot express their faith with total freedom. Among them are almost 300 million Christians, or 1 out of 7, who live in a country of persecution, subject to violence, arrest, and human rights violations.
These were some of the figures unveiled on Thursday in the “Religious Freedom Report” 2018 by “Aid to the Church in Need” (ACN), the international pontifical Catholic charity and foundation that helps persecuted Christians worldwide….
The report that contains data between June 2016 to June 2018, shows grave violations of religious freedom in a total of 38 countries. In 17 of them there is serious discrimination on grounds of religious faith, and in the remaining 21, there is outright persecution of religious minorities, in some cases to the point of death….
The ACN study shows that in 22 countries, the reasons for attacks on religious freedom are rooted in radical Islamism, while in other countries the dominant causes are rooted in the authoritarianism of states or governments which pursue policies of “aggressive nationalism”. Among these countries are China, India, North Korea, Myanmar, Vietnam and Kyrgyzstan….

gravenimage says
Almost 300 million Christians persecuted worldwide, their religious freedom restricted in 22 Muslim countries
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That’s the population of the United States. These poor people.
This is what Muslims do whenever they gain the upper hand.
Frank Anderson says
Sarc/on: So who are the “moderates” and why do they fail to exert their majority control over the intolerant minority? Isn’t islam supposed to be the “religion of peace” according to the Pope? sarc/off
As much as he should be both feared and despised, Erdogan, the dictator of Turkey, and would-be caliph of the New Ottoman Empire, told the truth at least once: There is only one islam. To be muslim is either to be a violent jihadi in person or to support and enable those who are.
It is time to encourage, support and protect ALL who dare to leave islam and claim THEIR personal right to LIVE in peace in a tolerant world. The God of the Living will welcome them, and the god of death will fear them. We can make that happen.
gravenimage says
Good post, Frank.
Frank Anderson says
GI, Thank you. I try to follow your and Wellington’s examples.
gravenimage says
Very flattering, Frank–thank you. I agree with you about Wellington.
Frank Anderson says
GI, my compliments MAY be flattering if they were not true or exaggerated. But, I learned not to do that in the most useful 16 weeks of my 22 years of education in the Dale Carnegie course. My compliments are earned and well-deserved.
gravenimage says
🙂
J D S says
The one true way for world leaders to understand Islam and make an effort to curb Islamic “INVASION” of the west is to …READ and UNDERSTAND Robert Spencer’s book ” The history of from Muhammad to ISIS and then take necessary actions to stop this illicit, illegal non military invasion by Muslims who are following illicit, illegal teaching and THEY are ILLICIT and ILLEGAL.
Just one more thing that could or cold not be related yo this topic and that’s the INVASION at our southern border….Does anyone ,in leadership positions or not, knights Muslims and “bad people” are not mixed in with these MIGRANTS…
Now the “OTHER” problem here is “$$ DOLlARS $$” All this migration mess is costing and will be costing Americans millions on top of millions of our much needed dollars.
Now we all know what happens when we try to get our elected officials to listen to us….NOTHING! BUT…we must try though, simply because it’s costing way too much out of our already empty pockets and when the governments pockets is empty ours will also be empty. Put our tax dollars to work protecting our border and….let’s not forget our Northern border.
Andy says
Surah 5:51
5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
Robert Spencer – 3 Lessons of Jihad from History
christianblood says
gravenimage
There is NO country that is more hostile to Christianity than Saudi Arabia where Christianity is still illegal and no church building, Bibles, Crosses, Christian preaching, Baptism or Christian icons are not only not allowed but are also illegal to the point of death, and yet Saudi Arabia is the closest US ally in the islamic world, where every American president goes and bows down to the islamic tyrannical murderers who rule that islamic terrorist hellhole! In addition to that, 15 of the 19 Arabs Wahhabi jihadists that carried out 9/11 attacks were Saudi citizens and without a doubt, Saudi Arabia, which is the birth place of Islam and the “holiest” prayer-direction-for-all-muslims is also the sole ideological, religious and financial source of the global islamic jihadist activities and doctrines all across the world!
What is beyond OUTRAGEOUS in all of this, is that, in spite of all those atrocities BY KSA, Americans (not just the government but American society in general) accepts Saudi Arabia as a close ally and are willing to give them hundreds of Billions worth of military equipment and technologies! Watch as Trump honors the head-chopping and Anti-Christ KSA with his first oversees visit and then dances with its savage jihadist leaders! This speaks VOLUMES about Americans, their leaders, where they stand in the world and who they are really are!
gravenimage says
I hate Saudi Arabia and have condemned them and their appalling actions here many times.I have also noted that Saudi Arabia is no ally of ours, and should not be regarded as such.
And the claim that Americans like Saudi Arabia is quite false–66% have an unfavorable, very unfavorable, or extremely unfavorable view of that appalling hell hole. I imagine these figures would be higher if more Americans knew just how bad Saudi Arabia is–but they still belie christianblood’s claims.
Meanwhile, christianblood has actually *lauded* Iran’s oppression of Christians, claiming that any Christian persecuted there is “an American spy”. He has also said that all of the horror of Shari’ah law there–like hanging gay people and stoning women to death–has nothing to do with Islam, but is just brave “resistance” to America.
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(…He has also said that all of the horror of Shari’ah law there–like hanging gay people and stoning women to death–has nothing to do with Islam, but is just brave “resistance” to America…)
Nonsense & Lies! I NEVER said or even BELIEVE such a thing!
gravenimage says
This is ridiculous–christianblood has said *many* times that Iran’s actions are just resistance to the United States. Why would he deny it now?
Saudi girl says
We will never built churches. SA is the birth place of Islam. Yeah we hate Christians like or not،.
Ambrosie says
@ Saudi girl
What are you doing in the land of the infidels? Why not return to your cursed Saudi desert and drink your camel urine? Or become a sex slave for ISIS terrorists?
gravenimage says
Yes–this is how Muslims think. They will impose this oppression on the whole world if given the chance.
Note that she is *proud* of oppressing Christians.
christianblood says
Ambrosie posted
(…What are you doing in the land of the infidels? Why not return to your cursed Saudi desert and drink your camel urine? Or become a sex slave for ISIS terrorists?…)
Well-said, Ambrosie!
Hey, Saudi bitch: listen to Ambrosie’s advice!
Join up your (ISIS=Saudi) savages and become their sex slave for that is where you really belong to!
J D S says
As long as islamic nations refuse to give religious freedoms to peoples within their countries that don’t follow their edicts of islam and are continually subjugated…then America as well as all other non Muslim countries….. STOP!!! (All other non Muslim countries ??? With so many migrants INVADING,and they are INVADING, the whole of Europe) should not allow islam to continue in in its present venue worldwide…BUT..no government seems to have the guts to just say…ENOUGH IS ENOUGH….Any and all know that Islam does not have the principles that does Christianit…So what’s the the problem?
Should Islam be given the same values as Christianity has??? Not until they change to the mainline of Christianity….LOVE…Not only for their OWN but ALL!!! Will anything change?? Not until many world leaders stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH or the present leadership is ousted and replaced with those who REALLY see what is happening to their countries …BEING INVADED BY A NON MILITSRY ARMY.
nicu says
And the Pope goes to Muslim countries and tell the Christians to be nice to Muslims !
he wash the feet of ” refugees ” – is he the Pope or an Iman ??
christianblood says
nicu posted
(…And the Pope goes to Muslim countries and tell the Christians to be nice to Muslims…)
Exactly! The whole Western system, including the Pope is anti-Christ to the core and deeply pro-Islamic!
gravenimage says
This appalling pontiff is not the only one to do this, alas.
Here’s the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, allying with ravening Muslim thugs against the West:
The Moscow Patriarchate looks forward to continued dialogue and strengthened relations with Muslim leaders, especially given the rapid decline of morality in the West.
http://myocn.net/four-principles-patriarch-kirill-islam-western-immorality-interfaith-dialogue/
Apparently he does not consider the horrors of Islam to be immoral.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Prove it! Show me where Patriarch Kirill, visists a refugee camp, ignores Christians, wash the feet of muslims and then takes a dozen muslims in his plane to Moscow!
PS: To Russia Islam is absolutely NOT a threat but the satanic, pro-islamic, transgendered, godless, materialistic, postmodernist, evil, atheistic and LGBTQ-worshipping filthy Western Liberal Secularism is a real and a very dangerous threat!
Look the video below and see how the ordinary Russian citizens deal with islamic jihadist thugs if they dare to raise their ugly heads anywhere in Russia! These Russians don’t call (9/11) but they go to work using their fists and knees! Watch:
Wellington says
Christianblood: Russia is just as clueless as is the West about Islam but the difference is that greater freedom in the West allows for Muslims behaving badly to do so all the more BECAUSE there is greater freedom.
Freedom, christianblood, something you don’t understand at all, can be abused and taken advantage of. This is precisely what Muslims do (a lot of non-Muslims too). Traditional Russian authoritarianism disallows Muslims as many “opportunities” as free societies do, but this in no way serves as a plaudit to Russia but rather as a comment on how important it is to treat with freedom in an informed way, replete with a moral compass, common sense and proper knowledge.
You won’t get at all what I just wrote, but for the record I wanted to state it.
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
Prove it! Show me where Patriarch Kirill, visists a refugee camp, ignores Christians, wash the feet of muslims and then takes a dozen muslims in his plane to Moscow!
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Why should I have to prove something I have never said? This is ridiculous. And I have condemned the pope doing this many times.
Note that christianblood completely ignored what Patriarch Kirill actually *did* say and do.
But while Patriarch Kirill may not be taking Muslims to Moscow, Moscow is nonetheless being overrun by Muslims. Putin just opened a mega-Mosque for them–the largest in Europe–alongside Erdogan and Abbas. Despite this, Muslims take over the streets of Moscow for “prayer”, and police do nothing:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VhlZJHlAPZY/maxresdefault.jpg
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PS: To Russia Islam is absolutely NOT a threat but the satanic, pro-islamic, transgendered, godless, materialistic, postmodernist, evil, atheistic and LGBTQ-worshipping filthy Western Liberal Secularism is a real and a very dangerous threat!
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Horrifyingly, christianblood has said this before–that Muslims taking over the streets of the capital, Jihad terror attacks in Moscow and Beslan, Shari’ah law in Chechnya, attacks on Churches, and little girls beheaded by Muslims are not a concern in Russia–but that nonexistent gay parades are.
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Look the video below and see how the ordinary Russian citizens deal with islamic jihadist thugs if they dare to raise their ugly heads anywhere in Russia! These Russians don’t call (9/11) but they go to work using their fists and knees! Watch:
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christianblood has posted this video scores of times at this point.
The idea that increasing Islamization and rampant Jihad attacks in Russia are fine and dandy as long was you have a few street brawlers is a *very* strange claim.
christianblood says
Wellington posted
(…Russia is just as clueless as is the West about Islam…)
Not at all! Russia is NOT clueless about Islam, Wellington, in fact, Russia has long and bloody history with islamists even before America was still a baby state and even before it was born! For instance, Russia help-liberated Eastern Orthodox Europe from Ottomans and lost tens of thousands of its brave soldiers in fighting on the side of the Orthodox Christians that were fighting against the Ottomans, like the Serbians, Romanians, Montenegros, Bulgarians and later on Greeks! Look up at Russo-Turkish Wars!
It is really shocking to see the cluelessness and the deep ignorance of Americans when it comes Russian history or Eastern European history in general and your words are a testament to that fact!
Wellington says
And the West, christianblood, has a long and bloody history fighting against Islam as well—in Spain for some eight hundred years, the nine major Crusades, the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, et al., so try to out-history me here.
And how could America specifically have fought against Islam before it existed, but President Jefferson did a pretty good job of exactly this by refusing to pay tribute to the Barbary Pirate states and America’s sixth President, John Quincy Adams, nailed down Mohammed’s character with great accuracy when he said of Mohammed: “The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust, to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.” When has dear old Putin ever said anything this critical of Islam? As recently as March of 2016, Donald Trump said, and I quote, “I think Islam hates us.” Again, when has Putin come close to saying something like this?
So, please spare me your All Russia, All the Time, Russia Can Do No Wrong crap. Gravenimage has documented many times the way Putin and Krill have sucked up to Islam. Yeah, loads in the West have too, but the difference here is that people in the West seem to be able to acknowledge wrongdoing by fellow Westerners. When have you ever done this with those leading Holy Mother Russia?
christianblood says
Wellington
As any politician or a religious leader would do, Putin and Patriarch Krill may have said good things about muslims in Russia and there is nothing wrong with that as there are many muslims that are normal people who don’t strictly follow islamic teachings and become terrorists! And also it is not wise or healthy for a leader to insult religions and peoples from their seat of authority, is it? The problem with the West is that US and Western leaders, societies and governments, in the path of their “liberal secular democracy” intentionally disrespect and humiliate Christianity while at the same time honoring and showing more practical respect to islam and muslims and they even directly arm, train and support islamic terrorists for various reasons and they did that for decades, especially America did that for decades! For instance, America and Nato sided with islamic jihadists in the Balkans, bombed Christian Serbs and created two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in Eastern Europe! Do you see the difference, Wellington? In Libya, Yemen, Egypt and now Syria, US and its Nato allies are allied with islamic jihadists and fight for them aiming for overthrowing non-islamist governments and replace them with Al-Qaeda types! Don’t you see that Wellington? America and its Nato and Saudi and Israeli allies spent many Billions of dollars to fund islamic jihadists to overthrow the Syrian government and still trying to do even though they almost lost the war in Syria! Please watch the girl below as she refers to America’s long history of arming and supporting jihadists, like Osama Bin-Laden, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and many others in the brief video below:
Wellington says
Oh please, christianblood. The entire Islamic world is wretched, both Sunni and Shiite. I have zero desire to live in any Islamic nation, even visit any Islamic nation. Right now, America is allied with the despicable regime of Saudi Arabia (and its allies) and Russia is allied with the despicable regime of Iran (and its allies). Just as the US and UK had to align with Stalin to defeat Hitler, so now does the US (and others) have to align with a rotten country like Saudi Arabia in order to prevent Iran, most desirous of gaining nuclear weapons and on record calling for the extinction of Israel, from engaging in its nefarious designs. Indeed, as bad as Saudi Arabia is, and it’s terrible, a very good case could be made for the fact that Iran is even worse. The US State Department for many years now, under both Democratic and Republican Presidents, has listed Iran as the number one state sponsor of terrorism of any nation on earth.
BTW, under Trump al-Qaeda has been decimated so I would quit with the contention that America is backing al-Qaeda. Yes, it may back some despicable Islamic polity which in turn was cozy with al-Qaeda but this doesn’t add up to America (and you even said Israel as well) supporting al-Qaeda. Quit it with that nonsense.
As for the Balkans, there were no clean hands there when Yugoslavia broke up and one knows this or should know it. On the specific matter of Kosovo, America made a mistake recognizing it as an independent country and I have so many times here at JW. While we’re at it, Russia has acted atrociously in places, right now in Ukraine, cyber warfare against tiny Estonia, ludicrously contending that a very limited missile defense in Poland and Czechia posed a threat to Russia, et al. Russia under Putin has far from clean hands, not even close. Look to Eastern European nations for their take on Russia and why so many wanted to be in NATO. Yeah, do that.
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote, replying to Wellington:
Wellington posted
(…Russia is just as clueless as is the West about Islam…)
Not at all! Russia is NOT clueless about Islam, Wellington, in fact, Russia has long and bloody history with islamists even before America was still a baby state and even before it was born! For instance, Russia help-liberated Eastern Orthodox Europe from Ottomans and lost tens of thousands of its brave soldiers in fighting on the side of the Orthodox Christians that were fighting against the Ottomans, like the Serbians, Romanians, Montenegros, Bulgarians and later on Greeks! Look up at Russo-Turkish Wars!
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This is true.
This makes it all the worse that Russia is appeasing Islam now–just as it is particularly bad when other nations that have bravely faced the savagery of Islam in their pasts, like Spain, and France, and Italy, and Greece appease Islam. They should know better.
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It is really shocking to see the cluelessness and the deep ignorance of Americans when it comes Russian history or Eastern European history in general and your words are a testament to that fact!
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What claptrap. Wellington is a historian, and has written here before about Russia’s fight against Islam–as have I. Pretending he is ignorant of this history is absurd.
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As any politician or a religious leader would do, Putin and Patriarch Krill may have said good things about muslims in Russia and there is nothing wrong with that as there are many muslims that are normal people who don’t strictly follow islamic teachings and become terrorists! And also it is not wise or healthy for a leader to insult religions and peoples from their seat of authority, is it?
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The idea that leaders in Russia or *anywhere*–have to pander to horrifying Muslim “values”, open mega Mosques, and allow Shari’ah on their own soil is necessary not to insult Muslims is just grotesque.
One can imagine how scathing–quite rightly–christianblood would be if there were Western leaders who went this far.
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The problem with the West is that US and Western leaders, societies and governments, in the path of their “liberal secular democracy” intentionally disrespect and humiliate Christianity while at the same time honoring and showing more practical respect to islam and muslims
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So rolling over for the horrors of Islam is fine so long as one doesn’t observe separation of religion and state? How does that work? Not well for Russia, certainly.
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and they even directly arm, train and support islamic terrorists for various reasons and they did that for decades, especially America did that for decades! For instance, America and Nato sided with islamic jihadists in the Balkans, bombed Christian Serbs and created two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in Eastern Europe! Do you see the difference, Wellington? In Libya, Yemen, Egypt and now Syria, US and its Nato allies are allied with islamic jihadists and fight for them aiming for overthrowing non-islamist governments and replace them with Al-Qaeda types! Don’t you see that Wellington? America and its Nato and Saudi and Israeli allies spent many Billions of dollars to fund islamic jihadists to overthrow the Syrian government and still trying to do even though they almost lost the war in Syria!
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To the extent that the West has foolishly believed Muslims to be ‘freedom fighters’ and supported them, Anti-Jihadists like Wellington and myself have condemned this. In contrast, christianblood has never said anything critical about the horrific Islamic State of Iran, which Russia has allied with.
And the claims that America and Israel overthrew the governments of Libya, Yemen, Egypt, and Syria is absurd–as is the claim that these were all “non-Islamist”. Libya, for instance, was a Jihad state under Gadaffi. Do he think we have forgotten Lockerbie?
And the government–such as it is–of Yemen is under the control of Shia Houthi rebels–who I thought christianblood supported. The Houthis have told the handful of Jews remaining in the country that they had to convert to Islam. In April 2017, it was reported that 40 of the last 50 Jews were in an enclave next to the American Embassy in Sana’a, and they were subject to threats of ethnic cleansing by the Houthis. That must make him pretty happy.
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Please watch the girl below as she refers to America’s long history of arming and supporting jihadists, like Osama Bin-Laden, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and many others in the brief video below:
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Of course, the real problem is that there are *no* good guys in Yemen. It went from an oppressive and violent Muslim regime to another oppressive and violent Muslim regime. We should stay out of it, because Yemen is never going to have a civilized government.
But you would never know this by watching Rania Khalek.Who is she? She is a pro-“Palestinian” Jihadist who has worked for The Electronic Intifada. She is rabidly anti-Israel–the only democracy in the Middle East.
She hates Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen and says that Anti-Jihadists are no different from ISIS. She has claimed that the West is to blame for Jihad terrorism.
christianblood says
Wellington
Please understand that Russia’s relations with Iran is normal relations as the two nations DON’T see eye to eye on many issues and Russia don’t consider Iran or any nation as its puppet government as Iranian are fiercely independent nations and there is NO Russian military basis in Iran as well. Now consider American relations with islamists nations on the Gulf led by the Saudis. US has big military basis on all of those nations, including KSA and supports their despicable islamic policies in all terms. Russia and Iran see eye to eye to protecting the Syrian nations from falling into the hands of the US and Saudi and Israeli-backed jihadists and it is very good for all humanity that they are doing this together and killing ISIS and Al-Qaeda etc!
One other thing Wellington, please understand this:The only reason why the US demonizes Iran is that Iran is an independent state that wants to pursue its own independent policies and has absolutely NO desire to be a puppet for the US imperialist regime! That is all! Wellington, please don’t take the line of the US government and its supportive globalist media propaganda against Iran but please investigate this your self objectively and you will understand the Truth!
The continued demonization of Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Syria, and Iran etc and any other country that disagrees with the US imperialist policies has basically the same agenda and reasons! You seem to be an intelligent person, Wellington but you need to make your independent research and listen to alternative media not just to US/Wesern globalist propaganda media!
You say Russia is close to Iran, I say that relationship cannot be compared with the relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia but even if the relations between Russia and Iran were closer it is because Russia and its leader are constantly demonized by the US and Western media and governments and that Russia is pushed into the arms of Iran and China and others! Russia is constantly sanctioned, insulted, its territories encircled by Nato under false pretenses, What options does Russia have? To bend its knees to godless US liberal globalist hegemony? Russians would choose war over that kind of fate, Wellington and they should!
Please also understand that after the collapse of the USSR, US and Nato promised Russia that they will NOT “move an inch” to Russia borders but today they broke every promise and are encircling Russia and amassing their armies on Russia’s Western borders!!!
How do you think Russia will react to this given its bloody history of facing off five invasions that come from the West in the last 3 hundred years?
Wellington, please understand that Over a period of approximately 300 years, Russia was invaded by foreign armies on five occasions and ALL five invasions came through Russian’s western borders.
In 1605, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth invaded; in 1708, Sweden invaded; in 1812, France invaded; in 1918, Imperial Germany invaded; and in 1941, Nazi Germany invaded.
And now, once again, Western aggressors who hate Russia are gathering their armies on the Russia’s Western borders to invade and destroy Russia. I know, all Americans and almost all of the people in the West don’t even know this fact but for Russia this is a question of national survival. Please read Dr. Marcus’s piece on this on the link below:
http://theduran.com/action-reaction-russia-responding-growing-threats-west-says-dr- amarcus-papadopoulos/
Wellington says
Christianblood: No “Western aggressors who hate Russia are gathering their armies on the Russia’s Western borders to invade and destroy Russia.” This is paranoid, xenophobic, but sadly typical, Russian thinking. Eastern European nations just want Russia to leave them alone and it’s talk like yours, so typically Russian, that moved various nations like Poland, Estonia and Czechia to want to be in NATO because they now have the greatest ally in their history—the USA.
When the USSR fell apart in 1991, Russia acted like the Cold War had been a tie and that it would still have major influence over Eastern Europe. Well, again Russia was deluded. There was no tie. The Cold War was won by America and lost by Russia and thereafter when Russia thought it could just go back to treating Eastern European nations as part of their domain, this was the signal for one Eastern European nation after another to seek membership in the greatest and most powerful alliance for freedom in the history of mankind—NATO. America in no way forced any of these Eastern European nations into NATO. They very willingly wanted to join NATO and you know this or should know it. Both Bush 41 and Clinton said that a free Russia could eventually join NATO as well, but instead Russia saw NATO as an enemy. Interesting, telling and damning that countries like Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Ukraine, et al. did not. Gee, I wonder why?
Again you have apologized for the brutal regime which is Iran. It is run by religious zealots who enforce their draconian Sharia laws on everyone (my God, the Iranian regime even have a “lipstick police” to make sure Iranian women don’t wear make-up, show their hair, etc.). This regime has even outright killed gays for just being gays. Are you OK with this, christianblood, killing a man just because he is homosexual? And when you go on and on about the only reason America hates Iran is because poor, dear Iran only wants to be independent, you forget that the animosity goes back to the 1979 seizure of the American embassy under the debacle which was the Carter presidency. Iran calls America the Great Satan and Israel the Little Satan and you would have others believe poor, dear Iran just wants to be independent and that’s all. Have you no awareness that Iran has repeatedly called for the complete elimination of Israel? That it backs a major terrorist group like Hezbollah? And so on.
America has bases in the Middle East because the Middle East is a mess and America’s presence, especially its navy, insures at least some stability. Iran would dearly love no American bases in the Middle East because then it could be even more aggressive. The American presence achieves a rough status quo and, most important, keeps the sea lanes open for uninterrupted delivery of petroleum supplies throughout the world. Ask the Japanese, who have to import almost all of their oil, if they would like to see complete American withdrawal from the Middle East.
As for Russia being invaded over the last three hundred years, so have many other other countries experienced this, for instance The Netherlands, but they don’t act in the paranoid fashion that Russia does or make trouble for its neighbors as Russia does.
Russia is not the only nation that has been invaded. Ask the Poles about invasion, as recently as WWII when Germany and Russia cynically agreed on dividing up Poland in the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact in August of 1939 and proceeded to do just that the next month. And then when WWII ended Russia made Poland and many other Eastern European nations subservient satellites of Russia. By contrast, Western Europe developed free states protected by America but not dominated by America as Russia dominated Eastern European states. Doubt me? Well then, ask Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, et al. about Russian domination of them during the Cold War. So, don’t cry me a river here.
And I noticed the states you brought up in sympathetic fashion—Nicaragua, Venezuela, Syria, are all states run by thugs. Venezuela right now is a total disaster because of the socialist polices implemented there from Chavez on through to Maduro.
Look, christianblood, America is dedicated to freedom and, yes, sometimes it has had to align with non-free nations (no better example of this than our alliance with Russia during WWII). It would be just wonderful if all of America’s allies had been and are now today free polities but we live in a real and brutal world and you know or should know that America ideally wants freedom for all. When has Russia ever wanted true freedom for all? Hell, Russia can’t even provide Russia with freedom.
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote, replying to Wellington:
Wellington
Please understand that Russia’s relations with Iran is normal relations as the two nations DON’T see eye to eye on many issues and Russia don’t consider Iran or any nation as its puppet government as Iranian are fiercely independent nations and there is NO Russian military basis in Iran as well.
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christianblood has never explained how–or why–Russia would have “normal relations” with the horrific Islamic State of Iran, a Shari’ah state that also persecutes Christians.
This is no more “normal” than Western relations with Islamic crapholes.
And christianblood has said this before–that any Muslim nation that “allies” with the West is ergo a “puppet” government of the West, that carries out Western values in every way. Of course, this is utterly baseless–Shari’ah law has *nothing* to do with the values of the free West.
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Now consider American relations with islamists nations on the Gulf led by the Saudis. US has big military basis on all of those nations, including KSA and supports their despicable islamic policies in all terms. Russia and Iran see eye to eye to protecting the Syrian nations from falling into the hands of the US and Saudi and Israeli-backed jihadists and it is very good for all humanity that they are doing this together and killing ISIS and Al-Qaeda etc!
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Yes–christianblood has claimed before that Jihad is actually America and Israel, instead of Islam. he has also repeatedly ignored the fact that it was chiefly the United States that drove ISIS out of the territory it had seized.
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One other thing Wellington, please understand this:The only reason why the US demonizes Iran is that Iran is an independent state that wants to pursue its own independent policies and has absolutely NO desire to be a puppet for the US imperialist regime! That is all!
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christianblood has said this before, too–that Americans have never had any problem with Iran taking diplomats hostage, hanging gay people, or stoning women to death–and that their doing these horrific things is just brave “resistance” to the United States.
He says that Anti-Jihadists should *laud* these horrors if they are done by an Islamic state that screams “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!”.
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Wellington, please don’t take the line of the US government and its supportive globalist media propaganda against Iran but please investigate this your self objectively and you will understand the Truth!
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I cannot speak for Wellington, but I know that I consider threatening to wipe out democratic Israel, persecuting Christians and Zorostrians and Jews, and torturing and murdering gay people and women and anyone who opposes their oppressive regime to be *bad things*.
The idea that we might oppose Jihad and Shari’ah *wherever* we find it is alien to him.
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The continued demonization of Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Syria, and Iran etc and any other country that disagrees with the US imperialist policies has basically the same agenda and reasons! You seem to be an intelligent person, Wellington but you need to make your independent research and listen to alternative media not just to US/Wesern globalist propaganda media!
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That christianblood is happily associating Russia with these unfree and mostly brutal nations sadly speaks volumes.
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You say Russia is close to Iran, I say that relationship cannot be compared with the relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia but even if the relations between Russia and Iran were closer it is because Russia and its leader are constantly demonized by the US and Western media and governments and that Russia is pushed into the arms of Iran and China and others!
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What a lot of rot. Note that christianblood is unable to say in what way Russia has been demonized by the West. No doubt he means that daring to note their murder of journalists, oppression of dissidents, and threatening their neighbors is unwelcome.
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Russia is constantly sanctioned, insulted, its territories encircled by Nato under false pretenses, What options does Russia have? To bend its knees to godless US liberal globalist hegemony? Russians would choose war over that kind of fate, Wellington and they should!
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Russia would never have allowed Eastern Europe to go free if it had not been for the presence of NATO. As it is, Russia is threatening Georgia and especially the Ukraine. Putin would take back all the nations it had seized and oppressed with the Iron Curtain as the Soviet Union.
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Please also understand that after the collapse of the USSR, US and Nato promised Russia that they will NOT “move an inch” to Russia borders but today they broke every promise and are encircling Russia and amassing their armies on Russia’s Western borders!!!
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What claptrap. Where is this happening?
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How do you think Russia will react to this given its bloody history of facing off five invasions that come from the West in the last 3 hundred years?
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React to what? More threats.
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Wellington, please understand that Over a period of approximately 300 years, Russia was invaded by foreign armies on five occasions and ALL five invasions came through Russian’s western borders.
In 1605, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth invaded; in 1708, Sweden invaded; in 1812, France invaded; in 1918, Imperial Germany invaded; and in 1941, Nazi Germany invaded.
And now, once again, Western aggressors who hate Russia are gathering their armies on the Russia’s Western borders to invade and destroy Russia. I know, all Americans and almost all of the people in the West don’t even know this fact but for Russia this is a question of national survival. Please read Dr. Marcus’s piece on this on the link below:
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The claim that the West is invading Russia is ludicrous.
And that link does not work. Perhaps this is what christianblood means:
“‘Action vs. reaction,’ Russia responding to threats from the West, says Dr. Marcus Papadopoulos”
http://theduran.com/action-reaction-russia-responding-growing-threats-west-says-dr-marcus-papadopoulos/
Papadapoulos makes the bizarre claim that the West is Nazi and is bent on the racial extermination of Russia–while, of course, ignoring the fact that the free West was allied with the Soviet Union to defeat the Fascists.
He castigates the West for not wanting to see a resurgence of the oppressive Communist Soviet Union–and odd thing for christianblood to support.
He is particularly enraged that we had any desire to see Georgia and Ukraine free, rather than back under the Soviet heel.
The idea that it is a “national security” issue for Russia to be allowed to threaten its neighbors is quite grotesque.
He ends with more threats.
It is hard to find any information about Marcus Papadopoulos, or about The Duran. But the latter does have headlines like “All U.S. Gov’t. Accusations Against Russia’s Gov’t. Are Lies”, which seems rather sweeping–and exactly the sort of thing that christianblood regularly says. I would never, for instance, say that everything the Russia government has ever said about the West is a lie, because anything so sweeping would necessarily be ridiculous.
There is also an article there enraged that a KFC restaurant opened in Kiev, claiming that its presence shows that the West is disrespectful–and that fried chicken is an outrage…
gravenimage says
Wellington, christianblood has said before that he hates and despises freedom.
christianblood says
Wellington
Reading your comment is like reading the Atlantic Council editorials or the NYT or reading a statement about Russia from State Department! Your words sound like an echo chamber for US liberal imperialist MSM propagandists! This is very unfortunate! I would only say that your comparing Russia to Netherlands was totally ignorant and uninformed! Russia is different, it will NEVER be like the West because Russian soul is different and unique and the satanic Westerners cannot tolerate this! The very existence of Russia is a threat to the Western psyche!!! This is a fact! I must repeat it again that Russia was invaded five times from its Western borders by Western countries and it lost over 34 million lives especially in the last two World Wars! The Western enemies that invaded Russia five times over the past 300 hundred years had all of them one and a single aim and that aim is to destroy Russia and colonize what is left of it and they still have the same agenda today and they are still stupidly thinking that they can invade and destroy Russia!
As I said before, at the collapse of the USSR, US and the Nato promised Russia that they will not move one inch to the sphere of Russia’s influence in the east but they broke their protocols again, and again and again and today they are encircling Russia. US and Western nations and their leaders are like immoral triumphalist bullies who act like small kids, they are basically like bulling children and in their childish stupidity they are now trying to isolate Russia using aggression, propaganda and demonizing techniques, they don’t understand Russia is too big, too strong, too smart and too important to be isolated! They only keep making Russia very strong and united by their childish and stupid actions! The only problem is that these kids may inadvertently and stupidly start a cataclysmic war with Russia which will end up in an unsurvivable nuclear holocaust for all humanity! They know very little that Russia has vowed that if attacked from its Western borders ever again, the resulting war will not be fought on Russian soil!
Concerning Iran, do you even know that in 1953 CIA orchestrated a coup against Iranian secular leader known as M. Mosaddegh and replaced him with the Shah? Please look it up! And then again they secretly met and made arrangements with Ayatollah Khomeini and turn their backs on the Shah! America is indeed a Rogue, back-stabbing state that cannot be trusted! Look that info up if you wish!
Please also watch professor Steven Cohen, the foremost US scholar on Russia speaking the current Russo-American relations on the link below. Start it from mark 19:15 if you don’t want to listen the whole talk:
christianblood says
gravenimage
What is “freedom”? Materialism, godlessness, hedonism, lies, decadence, drug-use, political-correctness and spiritual and moral bankruptcy? Is that your freedom?
What is freedom? To have “gay marriage” and multiple genders?
Is that what you call freedom? Obviously this is what Graven is calling freedom and wants spread to the rest of the world! DISGUSTING! Keep that stuff to your self, Graven! Please watch:
christianblood says
Wellington
US has invaded and bombed more countries and killed more people (millions of them) than any other country since 1945! How do you see that? Do you think it is okay for the “exceptional” US to do that?
And how many more years do you think this will continue? It is worth mentioning that US usually invades and bombs small countries that can hardly defend themselves!
See the statistics below:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US/Bombing_campaigns_since_1945
Wellington says
Christianblood: You are a rank apologist for all things Russian. In effect, you are a troll.
On the very specific matter of my comparison of The Netherlands to Russia respecting invasions, you claimed massive ignorance on my part. Well, how? Both countries have been invaded numerous times over the centuries, as have a great many other countries on the planet (and at least Russians had the advantage of retreating into their vast hinterland which the Dutch have not had since The Netherlands is such a very small country and with almost no natural barriers).
How was my comparison in any way, per your words, “totally ignorant and uninformed?” You didn’t explain. My only point here was that just because you have been invaded many times doesn’t give you the right to an exclusive pity party and thereafter act in totalitarian fashion (which the Dutch certainly haven’t), but which quite apparently you think in Russia’s case you think it does. And then right after your telling me I was “totally ignorant and uninformed,” without at all explaining how, you went into a tedious screed about “Russia’s soul” and “satanic Westerners.” How pathetic. But how so very predictable.
You know, if you were smarter, which you aren’t, you would realize that ALL RUSSIA ALL THE TIME and THE WEST IS SATANIC (or whatever) is the stuff of the fanatic, very much akin to what can be found in the Islamic world. After all, christianblood, this is Jihad Watch, not West Watch.
You won’t get this at all. But then there is a ton of stuff you don’t get. BTW, if I were in charge of Russian intelligence, I would fire you because you are so clumsy in the way you try to extol Russia. It is risible in the extreme and so thank you at least for the laughs. Done here—for now.
gravenimage says
Yes–as I noted, christianblood hates and despises freedom. He much prefers totalitarianism and oppression.
James Lincoln says
Jihad Watch readers please help me…
After numerous web searches, I can’t find anything regarding the Pope’s outrage regarding the persecution of 300 million Christians worldwide.
It must be out there somewhere…
FYI says
…but you’ll get lots of lovely pictures of Smiley Francis..if you Google this..
pope francis+thumbs
What a sweetheart is francis !..the old Marxist heretic…the “listening pope of the listening church” who doesn’t listen to the sounds of the persecuted Christian as he is too busy defending islam.
Andy says
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Pope Smiley Face Frowny Face
🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁
https://www.tmz.com/2017/05/24/donald-trump-pope-francis-meet-photo/
Andy says
Global Migrant Pact of Death.
Andy says
Hi James,
I came up with these articles but I don’t think it is what your after.
Pope says ‘outrage’ justified over Irish Church abuse
https://www.wsmv.com/news/us_world_news/pope-says-outrage-justified-over-irish-church-abuse/article_9c5f74c6-e961-57c8-b380-2c9c52b086aa.html
Pope condemns ‘repugnant crimes’ of abuse but offers no new action plan
https://cruxnow.com/wmf-ireland/2018/08/25/pope-condemns-repellent-crimes-of-abuse-but-offers-no-new-action-plan/
1 in 12 Christians worldwide persecuted, report shows
https://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/1-in-12-Christians-worldwide-persecuted-report-shows-533453
ACN: almost 300 million Christians persecuted in 21 countries
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2018-11/can-religious-persecution-christians-report.html
James Lincoln says
Thanks Andy.
It just goes to show that the Pope is aware of the persecution of Christians but is not publicly voicing any significant concern – or taking any significant action.
Andy says
My Pleasure James,
Cheers!
gerald zavage says
We’re too busy paying our taxes that are then distributed as humanitarian and military aid to Islamic countries to feed them and keep them from killing each other and innocent infidels and to free up their own funds to build mosques in the West.
Joss says
We see may appeals to feed starving children in Yeman., but where is the Red Crescent organisation? Shouldn’t they be helping, rather calling on infidels to help their own muslim children?
Frank Anderson says
Joss, they are too busy paying for the weapons and jihadis who kill the workers, destroy the jobs and create the widows and orphans who they want us to pay for. Simple?
gravenimage says
Yep.
Salah says
Please, wake up. Jorge Bergolio IS NOT THE POPE.
The only living Pope is Benedict XV!… whether he likes it or not.
https://youtu.be/UXe76S2lkK8
Lydia Church says
Yes, the untold Holocaust.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr spencer, that myth of persecuting mithraist christians couched from pagan Bible inspired by the satan mithraist christians Call Holy Spirit is not supported by realities on the ground, it is rather mithraist christians ,evil Jews and Idol worshipers who have been persecuting Muslims. mithraist christians have been carrying out genocide killings of Muslims right from crusade wars, in Spain, colonisations/neocolonisations and deprivations of Muslim nations and destruction of Muslim nations headed by horn of the satan the brigand and armed robber evil United States. The fascist evil Zionist State of Israel have been carrying out systematic genocidal killings and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Idol worshipers in India and myammar have been slaughtering muslims. In Nigeria, mithraist christian barbarians have been killing Hausa Muslims, burning their houses and properties in Jos and kaduna states where they fried and eatened dead bodies to screen evidence exactly like what ugly and dirty mithraist christians did in central African Republic. Mr spencer never cares to report any of these atrocities being committed on muslims due to hatred on them pursuant to his grand campaign of ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the west.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr spencer, that myth of persecuting mithraist christians couched from pagan Bible inspired by the satan mithraist christians Call Holy Spirit is not supported by realities on the ground, it is rather mithraist christians ,evil Jews and Idol worshipers who have been persecuting Muslims.
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Of course, the fact that Christians are persecuted in Muslim countries has nothing to do with the Bible (let alone the “pagan Bible”). Ibrahim itace muhammed himself has affirmed that Christians can be robbed, raped, and slaughtered by Muslims if they do not submit to Muslims.
As for it being “mithratist christians” and “evil Jews” who are persecuting Muslims, Ibrahim itace muhamed has said that the US curtailing immigration of people from terrorist-sponsoring nations is “genocide”. What projection–if Muslims are not allowed to murder Infidels then this is, somehow, killing Muslims.
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mithraist christians have been carrying out genocide killings of Muslims right from crusade wars, in Spain, colonisations/neocolonisations and deprivations of Muslim nations and destruction of Muslim nations headed by horn of the satan the brigand and armed robber evil United States.
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More projection–the idea that Spaniards taking back their nation from Muslim conquest is a “deprivations of Muslim nations”. Ibrahim itace muhammed has said before that no Infidel is allowed to defend against Jihad.
As for “brigand”, Ibrahim itace muhammed has said before that Americans not allowing themselves to be enslaved by Muslims is “international brigandage”.
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The fascist evil Zionist State of Israel have been carrying out systematic genocidal killings and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Idol worshipers in India and myammar have been slaughtering muslims. In Nigeria, mithraist christian barbarians have been killing Hausa Muslims, burning their houses and properties in Jos and kaduna states where they fried and eatened dead bodies to screen evidence exactly like what ugly and dirty mithraist christians did in central African Republic.
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There is no ethnic cleansing of “Palestinian” Muslims in Israel–in fact, the Muslim population in Israel is *growing*. As for India and Burma, Ibrahim itace muhammed has said many times that Infidels have no right to defend against Jihad.
And there have been *no* reports of such killings of Muslims by Christians in Nigeria–just endless reports of Muslims murdering Christians and animists.
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Mr spencer never cares to report any of these atrocities being committed on muslims due to hatred on them pursuant to his grand campaign of ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the west.
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Of course, there is no campaign of ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the West, so Robert Spencer would be unable to report on any such thing.
Peter A says
“Almost 300 million Christians persecuted worldwide, their religious freedom restricted in 22 Muslim countries”
Reason number 87 why I hate, despise and loathe the intolerant, backward, violent and supremacist ideology of islam. It does not belong in the West and should be told to pack its bags and get out.
Frank Anderson says
Peter, an indirect comment, and not intended to attack you.
It doesn’t matter which of the more or less 2 dozen books I have read on islam and its history, They don’t want to pack Their bags. They don’t even want us to pack ours, except to make their looting easier. If you look around you will find a story where 800 Jews were in a safe, fortified encampment. They were promised they could leave if they left their goods and weapons. As soon as they were outside their stronghold, they were murdered, and Mo and his child bride watched. I welcome correction for any of MY errors in relating this highly summarized account or any other.
Since Mo is supposed to be the Perfect Man and sets the Perfect Example for all who follow, this example is common in what I have read to be continuing practice for 1400 years and between 300,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 murdered human beings. “They” want us either to dig our own graves or to surrender to slavery. They care NOTHING for what we want because to them we are nothing. A recent news event illustrates: CNN reporter Jim Acosta refused to surrender the microphone at a White House press conference. The President of the United States ordered him to surrender the mike. Acosta struck an intern who was trying to receive the mike as ORDERED by The President. The President then ordered Acosta out and revoked his press credentials. A court ordered the credentials returned. So now, when he takes over, the choice is either to let him or end the press conference. Does that somehow seem to be in microcosm the same thing that islam seeks for the entire world?
The muslim choices presented to us (Kafirs, Infidels, non-muslims) is “convert, submit or die”. We CAN add for the time being 2 others, “Fight or Escape”. But where, because the worldwide invasion is spreading and gaining strength from our confusion, excess analysis and inability to make decisions that will give us direction and the will to fight.
Vicky says
It’s sickening that so many American traitors voted to give their lives away to islam in local elections.
Frank Anderson says
Vicky, an honest question: How many voters are traitors and how many are invaders who came here to conquer us as commanded by islam? Would you expect a rabid Nazi who emigrated to the UK prior to WWII, and was allowed to register for voting, to vote against Nazism? With few exceptions, the majority of muslim transplants are present to take over, not to assimilate as part of the country that permits them entry.
Look at the numbers in Sweden, Germany, France and the UK. How many are working? How many are living off the fools who are working to pay the taxes that support those who are not working? Muslims are entitled to steal anything they want from Kafir (‘untermensch”) and Infidels (‘unbelievers”). It is really easy when the subservient population makes it easy through their collaborating leaders.
Brother Charles says
READ your Holy Scriptures ,This is what the NWO ,want , They want all Christians dead , Thats why there is no outcry when it happens ,Are you not awake yet to what is written , Because they know the Christians will not take the mark of the beast and follow the NWO .
Walter Sieruk says
As for the subject of jihad- minded Muslims with all their vicious Islamic hate banding together in a group against Christians and something going to such an awful extreme as to literally murder them are events that are a sin and affront to the One Tue God . Who is the God of the Bible.
Furthermore this a a strong reminder that in the Bible in Psalm 94 :21 it is written “They band together against the righteous and condemn the innocent to death.” [N.I.V.]
Frank Anderson says
GI, and Wellington, please permit me to “wax professorial” and share some hard earned personal experience: When I helped start a friend’s office in Nashville, and then my own office where I am now, we needed clients and money. It took a while in both places to learn that not every prospective client who comes in the door is a client who will work with us and help us earn money. Some are there for just the opposite reason, to get attention, to distract us from our goal of surviving and doing better, and possibly even, as in one case, to try to kill our office.
I learned to require before the free first interview with me, which lasted between 1 and 3 hours, that a prospective client prepare a simple list of the people and companies he owed. That list showed whether I might have a conflict of interest, and that the prospective client would TRY to work with me and follow my directions. I also learned to listen carefully for people who could not work with me. If they could not trust my advice, I would have 2 opponents, the “client” and all the people he owed. That “two-front” war works never for nations or offices.
There should come a point where it is recognized that no matter how factual, sensible and reasonable one tries to be, some people have no similar motivation. Then the question is fair, should the effort continue or not. Is this person trying to waste my time and keep me from my objectives? If so then examining my objectives to see if there is a reason to continue the conversation is in order. I refer specifically to your extended misery with a certain Russian sympathizer. I wish both of you well.
Frank
gravenimage says
Thanks, Frank.