We see it all over the free world, after every jihad attack: instead of vowing to clean house and root out imams who preach the violent teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah, Islamic leaders claim victim status, complain that they and the entire Muslim community is being blamed and scapegoated, and point fingers at others. And most authorities in the West fall for this — every last time.
“Sheik Mohammed Omran tells ‘bloody PM’ Morrison: ‘blame police … not us,’” by Chip Le Grand, The Australian, November 13, 2018:
The spiritual leader of the Islamic youth centre where Bourke Street terrorist Hassan Khalif Shire Ali attended prayer sessions has accused Scott Morrison of making the Muslim community a scapegoat to distract from the failure of police and intelligence services to prevent Friday’s attack.
Mohammed Omran, the emir of the Hume Islamic Youth Centre close to Shire Ali’s Meadow Heights home, dismissed the “bloody Prime Minister’s’’ call for imams to do more to stop Islamic extremists, saying the greatest power he had was to dial triple-0 when confronted with a threat.
The HIYC, a sprawling mosque, cafe, gym and bookstore in the Melbourne suburb of Coolaroo, has seen a procession of jihadists and would-be terrorists through its doors, including domestic terror plotters and suicide bombers who killed themselves in Iraq.
Sheik Omran — the most senior Australian figure in the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah movement, which adheres to a strict, salafist interpretation of Islam — said the “Prime Minister’’ needed to be accountable for the failure of government agencies before he blamed Islamic leaders.
“This person was on the watch list,’’ the sheik told The Australian. “So what did they do? Nothing.
“After he jumped in the street and started waving his knife to them — sometimes they are running after him and sometimes they are running after them, and even the public interfered to take his attention because the police, they couldn’t handle him.
“First, we want to be really truthful with each other. This bloody Prime Minister, instead of turning the heat on somebody else, he should answer us about what he did.
“He has spent billions of dollars — billions — on security service. And what is the end result? We have crazy people in the street.’’
Mr Morrison has urged imams to identify “infiltrators’’ in their mosques and to be more alert for and proactive towards any signs of radicalisation….
Sheik Omran’s outburst at the Prime Minister comes as The Australian can reveal that Shire Ali’s partner, who has been radicalised, is not co-operating with investigators trying to reconstruct the terrorist’s last movements.
The Australian understands the woman is being closely monitored by members of the national intelligence community as they attempt to piece together the last movements of Shire Ali.
The woman, believed to be aged in her 20s, is considered crucial to investigations but is not helping national security officials determine why Shire Ali stabbed three people and tried to set off a car-bomb in Melbourne.
The Prime Minister’s forceful rhetoric was aimed squarely at imams he believed were “looking the other way’’ when confronted with extremism in their mosques….
Sheik Omran said he didn’t believe the Bourke Street attack was an act of terrorism. “If this man was a Christian he would not be called a terrorist,’’ Sheik Omran said.
The sheik’s spokesman, Mustafa Abu Yusuf, said religious leaders at the youth centre were already reporting to police signs of radicalisation but police had appeared unwilling to follow up this information.
“We report it to police and they give it lip-service,’’ he said.
Mr Yusuf said the political response to the Bourke Street attack wasn’t helpful to people working on the “frontline’’ with marginalised Muslim youths.
He said the budget priority given to policing and intelligence gathering, rather than to youth work, was a failed strategy. “They don’t fund us, they don’t want to talk to us directly,” Mr Yusuf said.
“No one from the Prime Minister’s office or any conservative minister wants to talk to us. Talk to us about how we can solve the problem. They are not interested.
“It is not helpful to people (who) work on the frontlines with these kids. We have an open-door policy. When these kids come in you have a chance to connect, you have a chance to correct their judgment. What they are doing now is not working.
“At least get out of our way. Let us deal with this these kids. They are misguided.’’
Shire Ali’s parents, Somali refugees who have lived in Australia for 20 years, regularly attended the moderate Virgin Mary Mosque in Werribee.
Counter-terrorism investigators believe that Shire Ali, who was radicalised in the early years of the Syrian conflict, had in more recent years attended prayer sessions at the HIYC….
Sheik Omran, who had a difficult relationship with John Howard and Tony Abbott during their terms as prime minister, does not recall meeting Shire Ali, but said it would be unsurprising if he had attended the youth centre.
“Let’s say he came here every day, five times a day,” Sheik Omran said.
“What does that mean?
“Let’s say they are coming here. Why not? This is the youth centre. If it is possible for me to get everyone from the street and put them here I will. This is my job, to bring people from the street, from the drugs, to the mosque.
“They came here and they came to hundreds of places. They gather in McDonald’s and Kentucky Fried Chicken, they gather in so many mosques. I am not blaming the mosque. The maximum authority we have is to call triple-0 when we have something we think he is a suspect.
“They said he was known to us and was on a watch list. They need us to tell them more?’’
Halal Bacon says
ya ya, mental illness I get it – all shitslam is a mental disease/cult
mortimer says
No, not a mental illness.
Slogan: It’s the IDEOLOGY, stupid.
James Lincoln says
I’ll go out on a limb here,
Removing the ideology would be great but…
Even if a country were able to deprogram the Islamic ideology of their Muslim migrants on a large-scale, what would they be left with?
Large numbers of mostly low IQ – and low skilled ex-Muslims.
But at least it would be a big improvement from a security standpoint.
Lynne says
True.
gravenimage says
Low skilled people can be educated or trained and become contributing members of society.
Not so fervent adherents to a violent supremacist creed.
Andy says
The blame is totally on ISLAM
The left’s attempt to rewrite history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG-dL-qYu1I
Martin says
video – Bourke st Knife Attack- A Muslim Visits Tragic Scene
…. the quran says if you kill a person etc etc
( 8 min 26 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9XhGt9DxUc
Anjuli Pandavar says
3 whole minutes telling us about a “person” committing a “crime” and then calling out the media for linking this “incident” to Islam. Yet, having just exonerated Islam, he somehow finds it necessary to remind us all of what the Qur’an says. How come? Was the murderer Muslim? Did he scream “Allahu Akbar!” or something crazy like that? Surely not, else our honest Muslim reporter would’ve mentioned that, I’m sure.
On the completely unrelated matter of jihad murderers, isn’t it weird how no single jihad murderer seems to be aware of this wonderful Qur’an verse about killing one person = killing the whole world, while they actually spend every Friday prayer shoulder to shoulder with all these Muslims who are so keen to spread that message to the rest of us *who don’t kill anybody*. Does this idiot really believe that anyone still takes that sh*t seriously? Is he still unable to credit an infidel with seeing right through him, or is it haram to credit an infidel with such insight?
How many other cynical stunts do the Melbourne Muslims have up their sleeves?
Greg Murphy says
He’s skirting around the issue and blaming everyone except Islam and not using the word terrorist!
gravenimage says
Taqiyya.
stitt29rg says
The verse from the Koran 5:32 actually says…whosoever Killeth a human being for OTHER THAN MANSLAUGHTER OR CORRUPTION IN THE EARTH, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind…corruption in the next verse 5:33 is defined as those who make war against Allah and his messenger. So anyone not supporting Islam deserves to die and should die. Nothing peaceloving about the verse or Islam at all. Islam decrees killing unbelievers in 5:32 like it does in many OTHER verses.
Roger woodhouse says
Yes indeed.How can we blame the imams in the mosques for all these acts of terrorism and subsequent murders when all they preach is ‘love and tollerance’to their congregations.It defies all logic when Islam is nothing more than a ‘religion of peace’ that so many of its followers decide to ‘kill the unbeliever wherever you find him’.Just where do they get this idea from?
Jaladhi says
It’s simple – Muslims should go back to their Islamic hell holes from they came since they don’t like it here(the western world). The Western leaders are solely responsible for creating this mess of Muslim emigration to their sores. It’s too late to turn back the tide and should face the problem now or it will continue to grow! Don’t be fooled by the delusion that there are “moderate” Muslims who somehow will control their radical brethren! No such luck since there are no moderate Muslims!
Leon Degney says
There may be some moderate Muslims but there is NO moderate Islam.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
“Everything I needed to know about Islam,
I learned on 911.”
elee says
Civil and criminal liability for those who counsel procure solicit and advise violent and destructive criminal acts, including the congregations that underwrite them. Simple. Make the bastards responsible for what they unleash. Including the bookstore that sold them their copies of the Koran, knowing full well that somebody’s going to buy the book and do exactly what it says to do.
elee says
Ask a purveyor of Nazi books if this idea penetrates their awareness.
Roger woodhouse says
Yes indeed.How can we blame the imams in the mosques for all these acts of terrorism and subsequent murders when all they preach is ‘love and tollerance’to their congregations.It defies all logic when Islam is nothing more than a ‘religion of peace’ that so many of its followers decide to ‘kill the unbeliever wherever you find him’.Just where do they get this idea from?
Anjuli Pandavar says
Mr Morrison has urged imams to identify “infiltrators’’ in their mosques and to be more alert for and proactive towards any signs of radicalisation….
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and here is the response…
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“They said he was known to us [the Police] and was on a watch list. They need us [imams] to tell them more?’’
True, Mr Morrison’s response is a far cry from the these-people-are-hijacking-your-peaceful-religion mantras that are, about 35,000 murders later, still heard in some quarters. There is movement here and we must acknowledge it. How far does Mr Morrison still have to go if he is to stand any chance of stopping this slaughter? Well, here is an indication:
“This bloke, radicalised here in Australia with extreme Islam, took a knife and cut down a fellow Australian in Bourke Street,”
There are several things wrong here, but I want to focus on only one of them, perhaps in this instance, the most serious: the notion of “a fellow Australian”. It is perhaps the duty of a national leader to encourage a national identity, but it is just as well Mr Morrison knows now, since he’s in the middle of dealing with this, that there is no fellowship whatsoever between a Muslim and anybody else, whether it’s the local football club, Australia, or the entire human species. A Muslim jihadi terrorist has no fellow-Australians: he goes out to murder them. A Muslim religious leader has no fellow-Australians: he defends the Muslim terrorist and confronts all Australians. This appeal to the Muslims’ “Australianess”, “Americanness”, “Germanness”, “Frenchness”, etc., is to urinate into the wind.
The Prime Minister, indeed, all non-Muslim Australians, need to, as a matter of urgency, read the Qur’an, all of it, and discuss its contents honestly and openly in public debate (any involvement of Muslims in this, especially imam Tawhidi, is only going to throw you off course), so that all fellow-Australians will finally understand why Muslims are not their fellows and never will be. They need to understand that they will get *nothing* out of imams except mealie-mouthed waffling when Muslims feel weak and brazen arrogance, rudeness and abuse when Muslims feel strong. The imams, the “Muslim community” and the jihadi murderers are fellows unto themselves and none other. There is nothing and no one here to appeal to.
Become fully informed, and appeal to your own reason and ethics, which is far, far superior to anything you’ll uncover in the Qur’an, that perfect, immutable, unquestionable guide to all things Muslim, including running down a street stabbing random people while screaming “Allahu Akbar!”
Peter says
I agree Anjuli Pandavar, everybody should read the Quran (and the Sira and Hadith). And don’t be afraid you will be seduced by its content and convert to Islam. If you are a product of the modern world and the Enlightenment, you won’t
Michael Copeland says
Read chapter 9. That is a good start.
Kerry Roberts says
Anjlika, thank you for your comments. I think we need to be informed far more than we are about the Muslim beliefs and teachings. We’ve been reluctant to see Muslims in any other way than slightly misguided fellow Australians who really are just like us underneath and have Australia’s goodwill at heart. I think we are beginning to understand that this is far from the truth. There are some Christian apologists who have engaged Muslims in good and open debate about the vast difference between Muslims and Christianity and I think that although there is a reluctance on the part of some Muslims to enter such debate, that this may be bearing some fruit in that we are becoming more informed about the true nature of Islam. Perhaps I’m wrong, I don’t really know but I hope so. Those christians who engage in such debate are brave souls as there does seem to be a “feeling” in the academic world that anything to do with Christianity and the development of the West is to be seen as bad and hateful to everyone.
gravenimage says
Most Muslims engaging in such interfaith debate Just lie about Islam.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Hi Kerry,
I’m assuming Anjlika is me 🙂
On a more earnest note, to be in safe and highly productive territory when it comes to learning about Islam and Muslims, you need a combination of three things: 1. the canonical texts (Qur’an, Sira, Hadith plus the Shari’a legal codes (Reliance of the Traveller — REALLY disturbing stuff), 2. the works of honest, critical scholars (Ibn Warraq, Robert Spenser, Raymond Ibrahim and many others — you may then go further and compare their work to that of the many apologist writers, Muslim and non-Muslim alike), and 3. the insights of ex-Muslims. The particular strength of this last group is that they understand the psychology of Muslims from the inside and are not hamstrung by fears of being labelled “racist” or “Islamophobic”. They really go where no one else would dare to go and pull no punches.
Get a group of friends together and work out how you’re going to work through combining 1, 2 and 3. Read the stuff, compare notes, debate fearlessly amongst yourselves and on public fora. Challenge your politicians to keep up with you. As soon as Muslims realise that they cannot control what you know and don’t know about them, there’ll be a change in dynamic. They’ll adapt their strategies, but as you get to know them and Islam better, you’ll learn to see them coming a mile off, and be ready. The more public you are about this, the more pressure you place your politicians under to act in the interests of those who hold no danger to society, rather than in the interests of those who do.
You’ll find it a hellava ride, but endlessly rewarding.
mortimer says
Sheik Mohammed Omran finds nothing in his SALAFIST PURITAN ISLAM that he wants to reform.
To reform what is allegedly perfect is blasphemous. To criticize what is allegedly perfect is blasphemy.
Sheik Mohammed Omran has the same JIHADIC IDEOLOGY as Osama bin Laden.
Sheik Mohammed Omran and his group are all WALKING TIME BOMBS.
WPM says
Ask the good imam if he will turn over a list of his biggest donors to his mosque if they are from terrorist groups . Ask the good imam if the police could sit in on his sermons talk to his good people attending the mosque how they should get along with their “host ‘ country ?
elee says
Hear hear & applause. Visit some consequences on the aiders abettors counsellors solicitors and procurers. You’re on the right traci, now bang that drum a lot & challenge your lawmakers and your judges to pay attention and implement.
gravenimage says
Good questions, WPM.
Walter Sieruk says
About this terror tied mosque in Australia, that this mosque might be a jihad terror center is should be of no shock of surprise to any well informed person about meaning of the mosque in Islam. Both from an historic perspective and as observed in current times. As many former Muslims have explain to Westerners , in books and in lectures, the fact that “The mosque is not like a church. For in a church building Christians , for the most part ,only gather together as a group to worship God on Sunday. By outstanding contrast Muslims enter a Mosque to worship the god of Islam on Friday put other times the mosque in used ,many days of the week, for many other activities, including using it as a political and strategy scheming center.”
In addition to all this, it’s also very important to understand the construction of the many mosques in both Australia and Europe not only means that more and more Muslims are entering those two continents and likewise more and more people in Australia and Europe are now being proselytized to Islam. This may be disturbing enough. In addition, this mass construction of mosques on Australia and Europe have still a further meaning which has been explained by a former Muslim who is now a Christian, Dr. Daniel Shayesteh, in his book ISLAM THE HOUSE I LEFT BEHIND for in page 99 it informs the reader that “The mosque is vital for establishing Muslims as sovereign over non-Muslims in a non-Islamic society or country. Building a mosque in a non-Islamic society or country symbolizes Islam’s claim over that society or country, even with a non-Muslim majority.”
Anjuli Pandavar says
The mosque, especially the Jumu’ah (Friday/congregational) mosque, is also the centre from which the craziest mob rampages pour out after incendiary khutbahs (sermons).
Every khutbah includes an admonition to Muslims to stay in line. I once personally instigated a particular khutbah admonition when I was in high school. On a scholarship application I needed the signature of someone recognised by the state as competent to authenticate documents. A “Minister of Religion” was included on the list of such persons and the imam lived just down the road. So I popped over there one evening accompanied by my best friend. Naturally, I introduced my friend to the imam. The imam was friendly and helpful enough. During that Friday’s khutbah, the imam went on a blistering rant about the corruption setting in to our Muslim community. “Some of us even have Christian friends!” he thundered. Only then did I realise where all of this bile was coming from. I can’t even say I was shocked. I was confused and felt personally reprimanded. I felt guilty at the same time as feeling that the imam was an arsehole. I never told my friend. This was just one of the littler things that added to my eventually leaving Islam.
gravenimage says
Good for you for leaving Islam, Anjuli.
infidel says
Anjuli… Ur name sounds Hindu… Were U formerly Muslim??
Anjuli Pandavar says
Yes, I was formerly Muslim. My adopted name helps in keeping Muslims from sticking their noses into my life, which every Muslim is commanded to do if they perceive a Muslim going astray, which they’d assume I am if my name were still the same.
Salome says
They don’t fund us–that’s the nub of the argument. Sounds like a protection racket to me.
WPM says
Right
Pay the protection money if do not want an “accident ” to befall you in your everyday life, like a knife in your back, or a gang rape by misguided Moslem “youths” . You pay for our gym , computer classes ,and other items the “youths ” will turn their attention away from violent Jihad, and work on nonviolent Jihad, lawfare, welfare cheating, how to game the unbelievers system you get the picture.
No Fear says
Buddhist terrorists strike Melbourne again. Errrr, sorry, I meant Baptist terrorists.
whosaid says
Omran is right. Every politician has blood on their hands for bringing these vermin here in the first place. Enough! Deport those deemed a national security risk. Those who have served sentences for terror related convictions. And stop all Islamic immigration permanently. Or you’ll have civil unrest. Never mind monitoring law abiding citizens. Deport the real threats. Including hate preachers. Declare Hizb ut-Tahrir & Diwan Al Dawla terrorist organizations. Then deport their members as well. The Australian government is totally oblivious to the anger out there. But no amount of smug, craven excuses are going to prevent the outrage coming their way if they don’t act. There will be unrest. And every politician will be held accountable. Without exception. This is not a threat. This is a fact. I can feel it on the streets. The anger is rising. It’s in the air. They need to listen now. Australia is on the brink. And politicians, along with the left & msm are to blame.
mike says
Omran is right. Every politician has blood on their hands for bringing these vermin here in the first place. So enough! Deport those deemed a national security risk. Those who have served sentences for terror related convictions. And stop all Islamic immigration permanently. Or you’ll have civil unrest. Never mind monitoring law abiding citizens. Deport the real threats. Including hate preachers. Declare Hizb ut-Tahrir & Diwan Al Dawla terrorist organizations. Then deport their members as well. The Australian government is totally oblivious to the anger out there. But no amount of smug, craven excuses are going to prevent the outrage coming their way if they don’t act. There will be unrest. And every politician will be held accountable. Without exception. This is not a threat. This is a fact. I can feel it on the streets. The anger is rising. It’s in the air. They need to listen now. Australia is on the brink. And politicians, along with the left & msm are to blame.
tim gallagher says
Mike, I hope you are right about the anger building and that your feeling about people “on the streets” is correct. I know, as one Australian, I’ve been feeling angry about the situation for quite some time. The Australian people have certainly been slow to anger about these problems with Muslims that our dopey politicians have imported and imposed on us. You’re right about how the leftie media crowd have contributed to the problem. But I also feel a large part of our general population haven’t bothered to look into Islam’s vile nature and have just been very slow to wake up. Too many have bought the PC type rubbish( such as “Australia is the most successful multicultural society in the world”- as if that’s true when it comes to Muslim migration) they’ve been fed so often by politicians. I do think plenty more are waking up these days. I hope so. How could anyone not have woken up by now? The actions you say should be taken are definitely the way to go.
infidel says
At the same a word of caution for Aussies here… Yesterday, as I was going thru the SMH reg PM Morrison’s blunt statements reg the Melb stabbings., I could see to my chagrin many comments from supposedly white Aussies directed against the PM as well supporting Muslims. And herein a warning.. Many of these comments purportedly seeming to originate from White Aussies could very well be ACTUALLY from fake accounts operated by Muslims. Muslims are masters in doing these things. and spreading lies and misinformation in the host infidel society. So, I would take these comments against the PM and those in support of Muslims with a grain of salt. My logic is simple: How can sane people keep on supporting Muslims after repeated and repeated and repeated attacks of Jehaad?? It DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. It could either be fake accounts or the DIRTY MSM playing its usual tricks.
mike says
Yes. I found the same thing. You’re absolutely right. These people are not Aussies. For everyone support’s Morrison’s stand on this. Just as they do Dutton’s. Those posting the comments are fake accounts. All of them Muslims.
mike says
I think this is similar to how the Brexit & the Trump vote went. The silent majority are angry. And I note there are some comment criticisng Morrison on social media. But I suspect many are Muslim. Generally speaking, Aussies are slow to anger. We’ve not really had good cause. However, it’s now reaching critical mass. Especially here in Melbourne. And so when the time comes. Especially if it’s put to a vote or a referendum. I think you’ll find most Aussies will vote to the see the end of Islamic immigration. As well as new laws making their deportation easier. We’re sick of it. But more importantly. We’ve seen what’s been done to Europe & the UK. And even to the US. And we don’t want a bar of it.
infidel says
I COMPLETELY AGREE Tim. One of my Indian mate, who is currently living in Australia, is one of the most liberal of people U would ever meet. And even he was FULL OF THE F EXPLETIVES about Islam and Muslims after this latest Melb stabbings… I never expected my lib friend to be so so angry.. but he has lost all soft corner for Islam and Muslims he once had
tim gallagher says
infidel, that’s interesting about your liberal, very tolerant Indian friend finally having enough and getting angry. I hope that is finally happening. As I said above, I’ve been bloody angry about this situation with the endless strife Muslims have brought to this and every other country for quite a few years. I think most of the people who write comments to Jihad Watch feel the same. I think of them as the awake and aware people when it comes to Islam’s nature. They have read up on Islam and know its evil content. I do think more and more people are waking up and getting angry. Your liberal Indian mate is an example of that. All I can say is, At last! About time!
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
Remember the report on the jihad attack? According to one (non-Islamic) witness, as the police were struggling with the jihadi ghazi raider and trying to subdue him, bystanders were shouting, “Just shoot him! Just shoot him”. And in the end the police did just that.
Very telling. Because I don’t recall hearing reports of anything like that happening on the scene of any previous similar attack anywhere in the western world.
tim gallagher says
You’re right, dumbledoresarmy. Although I wasn’t the least bit surprised when I heard about the crowd of onlookers yelling to the police to just shoot this Muslim scumbag, I don’t think I’ve heard of this happening before. People have had enough and are getting very angry. It’s a righteous anger. Actually, I can mention that when that Muslim scumbag took the hostages in the Lindt café in the middle of Sydney a couple of years back and they showed on the TV news footage how the police snipers, who had taken up positions across the road in the Channel 7 studios, had a clear shot at Monis (or whatever the creep’s name was), I thought immediately, just shoot the bastard. One of my sisters is a left wing Greenie type (probably like infidel’s Indian liberal mate) and when I spoke to her after the siege had ended, she said to me that she was also saying to herself, just shoot the bastard. Apparently, they couldn’t shoot accurately through the thick glass so they couldn’t shoot him. So the anger has been there with these terrorist vermin for quite a while. People have had enough of this garbage. Of course, I think the police want to take these terrorist scum alive because they need to get information about whether they are part of a wider terrorist network. Otherwise they’d probably love to shoot them immediately.
gravenimage says
Good to hear, DDA.
Michael Copeland says
Memo to Chip Le Grand, The Australian
Concerning Koran 2:191 (part of Islamic law)
The “strict, salafist interpretation” of “Kill them wherever you find them” is kill them wherever you find them.
PRCS says
True, true, true, so true.
Singh The Sikh says
In Australia:
14 potential terror attacks thwarted recent,y.
400 people on a terrorist watch list.
Every single one Religion of Peace.
gravenimage says
Australia: Imam of jihad terror-tied mosque that jihad murderer attended says PM should “blame police…not us”
………………………
Right–Muslims murder Infidels; it is the fault of the filthy Infidels…
abad says
Australia is not the best country for Moslems to be.
Peter Hoolihan says
Enough talk.Time for action.
1. Muslim immigration banned.
2. Strangely enough, issuance of tourist visas to muslims in order but rigidly policed.Return ticket to be held.
3. All mosques and schools permanently closed Australia-wide with state co-operation.
4. All other visas cancelled, and non-residents deported, including students.
5. Cancellation of citizenship of foreign-born muslims, followed by deportation.
6. Cancellation of citizenship of Australian-born muslims, followed by deportation.
7. Destruction of mosques.
Of course there will be “difficulties” and “fine-tuning” but these things can be done with “enforcement”.
By this time all muslims should have disposed of their assets and have the funds ready to take with them.
All the above can be avoided by a muslim giving a statutory declaration, suitably witnessed, that he/she has renounced islam.
stitt29rg says
Perfect
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
But re a Muslim publicly stating that they have apostasised: one would have to bear in mind the possibility of deceit.
Any *genuine* apostate – whether they had decided to become an atheist like Ibn Warraq, or a Catholic like Magdi Cristiano Allam – would be cheerfully willing to undertake an approved “cult deprogramming’ course, and to *wait* a significant period of years “on probation” before being granted residency and then, after more years, citizenship. They would not make excuses for Islam, or deny or minimise its horrendousness; they would be prepared to publicly criticize it and warn people against it, just like defectors from Communism did, back in the day.
ed says
In 2016 Omrans son Ayman was killed fighting for ISIS in Syria. Born in Jordan Omran’s best friend was Abu Qatada. Omran came to Australia via Fiji in 1981, he was a Salafist Imam in Fiji, he came to Australia on a tourist visa and then set about getting a visa marriage
stitt29rg says
The imam has a point he was on the watch list. Surely we must start detaining hundreds of these guys on the watch list have them breaking rocks 12 hours a day then after 10 years repatriate them to a Muslim majority country. We should respect them and treat them accordingly.
stewart parkinson says
The savage terror murder in the Melbourne CBD has left the nation reeling . This 5th column attack exposes the reality of our individual vulnerability and helplessness . Gone is the trust in certain fellow citizens , fear prevails , the social and economic repercussions with continue .
The people want action ,not platitudes or empty gestures from the leaders.
We want to live our lives without the ever present threat of being randomly murdered by some rabid extremist.
We are told that there are 400 terror suspects on the watch list. What!! So there are 400 potential murderers roaming the city, maybe actively plotting the next attack.
Here’s a few policy measures I would like to see adopted :
Terrorism perpetrators be deported after serving their prison sentence and be stripped of Aust citizenship .
The families of convicted terrorists be deported .
Assets of terror suspects and their immediate families be seized and used to fund reparations of victims.
Players in foiled terror plots be treated as perpetrators.
Persons using encrypted messaging commit a terrorism offence.
Accomplices and enablers of a terror act be deported.
Mosques frequented by terror perpetrators be closed indefinitely, pending review of activities.
Overseas Muslim hate preachers be banned from entering the country .
Muslim immigration be severely curtailed for some years pending a rehash of eligibility requirements that will determine the likelihood of the applicant harboring anti – western sentiment.
That will do for a start.
If the murders continue then stricter measures be added.
dumbledoresarmy says
From the article – “The HIYC, a sprawling mosque, cafe, gym and bookstore in the Melbourne suburb of Coolaroo, has seen a procession of jihadists and would-be terrorists through its doors, including domestic terror plotters and suicide bombers who killed themselves in Iraq.”
Nuff said.
The AFP, ASIO, Melbourne Metropolitan Police – and the Australian Army sappers, with EDDs (Explosive Detection Dogs) – should be surprise-raiding and searching that damn mosque – and ALL associated premises, businesses and properties, not excluding the Imam’s own house – from attic to basement, *now*. AND detaining and interrogating the imam.
Not only the EDDs but also dogs that the police and quarantine department use to detect 1/ cash and 2/ illegal drugs and the precursors of same should be deployed during the search. Along with straightout police dogs, and the riot squad in full force.
Overwhelming force, suddenly deployed. Search the premises – mosque, shop, imam’s house, everything. Be prepared to find booby traps, tunnels, hidden sub-basements/ dungeons/ cellars/ false floors/ false ceilings/ hidden rooms.. Be prepared to find weapons stashes, stashes of real (and/ or counterfeit) cash in large amounts. Hell, take the *cadaver* dogs, just in case you find some actual bodies.
Find *anything* at all untoward, and this entire property gets seized, its assets frozen, the imam gets expelled from Australia sans citizenship or residency, back to his Islamic hellhole of origin.
Then … raze the entire thing to the ground.
This thing isn’t a place of worship. It’s a *jihad recruitment and incitement centre* – an Allah Gang HQ / fort/ forward operating base.
It’s high time mosques within non-Islamic countries were recognised for what they are – **military installations**, forward operating bases/ forts, representing a transnational criminal Organisation – the Ummah – that has only malevolent intent toward the host countries.
Giacomo Latta says
Have you ever heard any MSM quote the koran? Not me. Even half-wits like this neatly-dressed jacket with t-shirt dude dares quote it.
abu taleb says
No, blame the non believers, each and every one of them for every sin a muslim committed or for every misery of every muslim in the whol world.
Islam’s god has promised all muslims to live well and prosper and become holy and no sinners, yet most muslims live in poverty, stupidity etc and become criminals. It is all the kafir’s faults, all of them, because muslims can not do sins at all. They are the best people on the universe, Allah says.
Vicky says
These are the people now running or heavily influencing at least ten state governments, and many more cities, in our country right now.
WAKE UP!
islamic text says
Please Google
Blatant Lies: Prophet Muhammad was a very peaceful man, human right champion, feminine, never hurt anyone, never hurt fly, much less killed anyone.
Mullah mafia & Mohammdens hijacking truth.
Anne says Apr 5, 2018 at 5:15 am
Mohammed was a man of his time. A Warlord’ ! If violent verses are in the Quran , and they are , Then acknowledge it ! In Jesus’s time , when he walked the earth , he spoke no violence to anyone ,. Believe or don’t believe. We have free will .
No religion is worth anything if someone is holding a gun to your head or a knife at your throat ! Islam behaves like the Mafia , making offers that you cannot refuse ! Which would be funny if it weren’t to damn tragic ..
SirHappyThe1st1 month ago
In the Quran Allah killed men, women, babies and animals in the story of Lot and Noah so what is the Muslim talking about? and why do Muslims always answer a question with a question?
NOTE: If someone had only ONE Islamic source from which to judge Islam, this would be the source. Read it cover-to-cover including the footnotes by Tabari. According to Ishaq the trouble starts even before Muhammad was born: Page 94: Ibnu’l-Hayyaban came from Syria to Mecca in order the hope of seeing the “…emergence of a prophet whose time was at hand” and was a Jewish soothsayer. He predicts the coming of Muhammad by noting the following: “His time has come, and don’t let anyone get to him before you, O Jews; for he will be sent to shed blood and to take captive the women and children of those who oppose him. Let not that keep you back from him”.]
the first biography of Muhammad, by the devout muslim Ibn Ishaq:
the first biography of Muhammad, by the the eighth century devout muslim Ibn Ishaq:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq
If you read the biography, several times ordered the murders of people who have insulted him. you will understand why so-called “extremists” do what they do (they are copying Muhammad), and why so many muslims are leaving Islam now they are finding out the truth.
Muhammad says that those who follow him will be given paradise; those who refuse will be slaughtered and sent to hell on page 222
Muhammad affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered
On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad:
Abu jahl said to them: “Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell.” The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: “I do say that.”
List of 43 Incidents When Mohammed Ordered or Supported KILLING
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by mohammed
ACCOUNT OF MOHAMMED’S VIGILANTE MURDERS
Please Google
Muhammad’s “Dead Poets Society”
brotherjw
PLEASE, LISTEN THIS U-TUBE VIDEO. THIS Ex-muslim provides tremendous information with references in it. HE DOES NOT SHOW HIS FACE BECAUSE HE is BEING LISTENED IN THE FUNDAMENTALIST COUNTRIES LIKE SAUDI ARABIA AND PAKISTAN.
Published on 7 May 2008
Comments & Discussion: http://brotherpete.com/index.php?boar…
HISTORY OF MECCA http://www.historyofmecca.com
Please visit: http://www.youtube.com/user/AhmadsQuran3 For more on Mohammed, as bequeathed to us from the hadith.
Was Muhammad the ‘Prophet of Peace’ that his followers claim? Discover the Facts in 4 Chapters.
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Muhammad orders his son-in-law Ali, to behead Al-Nadr bin al-Harith on page 136.
Muhammad approves the stabbing of Uqba bin Abu Muayt on page 308.
Muhammad arranges the beheading of Kab bin al-Ashraf on page 364-9.
Muhammad personally beheads over 600 -900 Jewish prisoners of war on page 464
Muhammad orders the torturing of treasurer of Khaybar tribe, Kinana on page 515
Islamic source texts say that Muhammad ordered the torture of a man in order to get hold of a treasure. We learn of that in the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, pages 511-517 (758-766 in the Arabic). https://archive.org/stream/TheLifeOfMohammedGuillaume/The_Life_Of_Mohammed_Guillaume#page/n279/mode/1up
The same pages in that earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad also tell us that after the torture, Muhammad had the man beheaded, and that later that night, or the next, Muhammad took into his private tent for consummation of “marriage” the tortured man’s widow, whose father and other male relatives Muhammad had just killed.
Muhammad orders the killing of Abdullah bin Katal’s and one of his singing-girls on page 550-1
Muhammad approves the murder of Asma bint Marwan on page 675-6.
[Asma Bint Marwan, a contemporary Muhammad in Medina. She was a critic of Muhammad and his Jihadists. You can find out what happened to her in the Hadith of Ibn Ishaq:
The fate of Asma Bint Marwan, Ishaq (p. 676):
“‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”
So it goes, that the critics of Islam are dispatched, and goats are still butting heads. I can only think of Theo Van Gogh, or Charlie Hebdo, or any of a number of countless critics who have disappeared into the abyss of history.
Remember Obama in his 2012 UN speech: “The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”. ————- Charlie