This ought to be basic common sense and standard practice everywhere in the free world. But common sense is vanishingly rare in the free world these days.
“Prime Minister Scott Morrison considers plan to kick extremists out of Australia,” by Natalie Wolfe, News.com.au, November 22, 2018:
Prime Minister Scott Morrison is debating the idea, which would see potential terror threats, with heritage from a foreign country, stripped of their Australian citizenship.
According to The Daily Telegraph, the plan would only apply to Aussies who have parents or grandparents from different countries thus allowing them to obtain citizenship somewhere else.
Chair of the Joint Standing Committee on Migration Jason Wood also called for residents, who were born overseas, but later became Australian citizens, to be immediately deported if they engaged in extremism.
“As far as I’m concerned, if you’ve put your hand up to say you uphold the rights and responsibility of Australian citizenship, but the next minute you want to talk jihad all day, it’s a breach of contract and you need to go,” Mr Wood said.…
Immediately after the Bourke Street attack, the prime minister criticised the Muslim community, claiming it was “making excuses” for extremism.
The group of Muslim leaders slammed the PM’s suggestion the entire community was culpable.
“Many in the Muslim community … are deeply concerned and disappointed with statements made by senior government ministers and the prime minister in the recent past which infer that the community is collectively culpable for the criminal actions of individuals,” the letter said.
“These statements have achieved nothing to address underlying issues, but rather, have alienated large segments of the Muslim community.”
Mr Morrison addressed the boycott yesterday, saying the leaders were “continuing down a path of denial”.
“Extremist radical Islam is a serious problem …We all have responsibilities to make Australia safe,” he said….
“I won’t cop the excuses,” he said.
“For those who want to stick their head in the sand, for those who want to make excuses for those who stick their head in the sand, you are not making Australia safer. You are giving people an excuse to look the other way and not deal with things right in front of you.
“If there are people in a religious community, an Islamic community, that are bringing in hateful, violent, extremist ideologies into your community, you’ve got to call it out.”
Jim says
Bless this man.
mike says
I second that. To bad other nations don’t have the grapes to do the same
Brian says
Why bring dis-similar cultures into a 1st world country is Q # 1 ? I find it beyond stupid why MN brought Somalians into our state, 100, 000 are here now. They don’t assimilate for the most part. They live as a fridge outside culture. This is the opposite of assimilation. What a stupid immigration policy.
paul says
we spend 100 million a month just to warehouse them. Some politicians need a tax on us to provide them actual houses. The vets are seen by the democrats as baby killers, so no help for them.. Not a republican left standing in this sanctuary state
gravenimage says
It’s not that the culture of Islam is dissimilar to that of the West–it is that it is *evil* and violently rejects our civilized values.
Brian says
Govt is incompetent in learning that Utopian immigration policy is a loser for its native pop. There are consequences to stupidity.
MaD Dawg says
Morrison and the liberal party have been shit, but on this issue I will swing my vote and keep them in power.
J D S says
I agree that all terrorist aka jihadists and any and all who, in any way, support their efforts should be deported from any western country that they may live in. Now is this going to happen anytime soon?….
Of course not. In time maybe but the longer we wait the more entrenched they become and that gives more time for the elites to be swayed to their aid. Why would anyone want to aid jihadist?
Dg says
Cotton/Morrison 2024
Angemon says
“Debating”? Unless it’s “debating” between that and give them a fair trial before hanging them for treason, no debate should be required – who’s going to want to have their faces linked with arguing in favour of murderers?
Havoc says
?Muslims
?Mosques
?Accommodations
?Apologies
?Exceptions
What a concept – and, it works!
Indiana Tom says
That is just starters.
NO NGO pro Muslim immigration organizations.
No immigration.
No Quislings.
No Catholic Liberation theology.
No Socialist Gospel.
No aid to Muslims.
No UN.
No controlled pro Muslim media or any other controlled media.
No friends or aid with radical Muslim countries.
List just goes on.
Joss says
Angemon – I fear that any number of lawyers would be happy to defend the extremists!
Indiana Tom says
A higher calling, no doubt.
PRCS says
Following, complying with Islam’s texts is not “extremism”. It’s what Islam–the ideology–expects of Allah’s every slave. Some Muslims–to our peril–actually try to do that.
The extremism meme wrongly infers (and is expertly perpetuated by Muslims and their useful idiots) that:
“Moderate” Muslims are practicing their “complete way of life” as MO and his sock puppet, Allah, intended them to, and provides the excuse they need to that pick and choose from amongst Islam’s texts
*So-called “extremists” are twisting/perverting/hijacking THE Religion of Peace.
Long past time to retire the “extremist” line.
Terry Gain says
Muhammad was the first person to hijack peaceful and tolerant Islam.
PRCS says
Who?
Rob Porter says
Angemon, so tell us what Donald Trump is doing about kicking extremist Muslims out of the U.S. Is he even debating it? No, because the U.S. political and judicial system renders an American president almost powerless to act in the interest of his country. Trump tried to stop entry of Muslims from Muslim countries that train jihadis and the Ninth Circuit Court stepped in. The Democrats and their liberal and Muslim friend are making of America one of those countries that Trump described as a “shit-hole”.
When I read about Supreme Court Justice, John Roberts, defending the American judicial system, I want to puke. And Roberts is supposed to be a clever man. Many judges are acting according to their political and ideological persuasions and if Roberts can’t see this then he is as thick as a plank.
FYI says
Excellent..these are necessary steps:jihadists and islamic terror apologists have no place in our societies.
Jail them then deport them
Strip them of citizenship{they don’t want to be citizens anyway}
Prosecute them in court
Fine them{make them pay financially}
Shut down hate-preaching pro-terrorism mosques
Stop the triumphalist saudi funded mosque building{everywhere in the western world we see this;if the saudis complain,let them explain why churches/synagogues/Buddhist or Hindu Temples are not permitted in saudi araby…..}
No doubt the bleeding heart lefties and the dhimmi christians and Jews will start bawling their eyes out with shouts of “islamophobia” but these measures are long overdue and completely necessary.
The RED-GREEN-DHIMMI axis will no doubt try to obstruct..
PRCS says
“Shut down hate-preaching pro-terrorism mosques”
Not to be mean, but at some point we (we filthy unbelievers) have to ask ourselves:
Are there any mosques–anywhere–which never preach passages from Qur’an, sunna and Sira which teach hatred of and supremacism over non-Muslims?
FYI says
Good point.
Are there ANY mosques that preach LOVE,respect for Jews and Christians and everyone else?
There isn’t even a Golden Rule in islam!
PRCS says
“Are there ANY mosques that preach LOVE,respect for Jews and Christians and everyone else?”
No, of course not.
But, locically, to “Shut down hate-preaching pro-terrorism mosques” would require shutting them all down.
Micheal Proulx says
True Spirit-filled Christians know who the enemies of the cross are, by the way, they are also behind so-called Christian pulpits, preaching false doctrines. All false religion is what it is false.
gravenimage says
Christians–even those preaching what you consider “false doctrines”, are not murdering anyone as Jihadists are.
Your implication that Australia start stripping peaceful people of their citizenship because you consider them to be ‘heretics’ goes against all Western values.
Raja says
Gravenimage,
+1
Peggy says
Good point.
gravenimage says
AP, I wasn’t saying anything here about Islam–I was saying that stripping peaceful Christians who preached what Micheal Proulx considers “false doctrines” goes against the values of the West.
Please reread my comments.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Raja and Peggy.
christianblood says
Micheal Proulx
Go join ISIS and other head-chopping jihadist buddies if you hate Christianity, crack head!
gravenimage says
I thought christianblood did the same–claiming that all non-Orthodox Christians preach false doctrines and are not real Christians?
Angemon says
Only when he’s not too busy defending Hezbollah and the Iranian regime – I guess he’s OK with Iran hanging Christians for the “crime” of being Christians*, but, for whatever reason, the much swifter and comparatively painless decapitation is where he draws the line at…
* https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/3179465/Hanged-for-being-a-Christian-in-Iran.html
Westman says
“True Spirit-filled Christians”?
A “them-us” vision of Christianity that determines who are the “true” Christians cannot possibly benefit Christianity. Those sects that expressed this attitude in the 1600s are now a footnote in history.
We are currently observing this same attitude, on steroids, within Islam. Too many Muslims are as judgemental of other Islamic sects and ideas as they are of unbelievers. Those attitudes are destroying Islam’s ability to convert unbelievers in the West and has created a generally poor attitude toward Islam.
This is actually to the benefit of the West’s freedom for individual choice that Islam cannot offer and means the West will not succumb to Islam without a very unlikely, violent, defeat. Every time CAIR or the OIC opens its mouth to declare the peace and inclusiveness of Islam, jihadists turn those apologetics into lies.
vlad says
Also, act as a marriage celebrant of the terrorist to 72 goats.
Indiana Tom says
“Shut down hate-preaching pro-terrorism mosques”
So that would be all of them.
Terry Gain says
FYI
The general public will never support what you propose, nor should it. Everyone who sets foot on American soil is entitled to the Bill of Rights. That is the law. Yes, Mosques should be monitored for promotion of Jihad but we should not destroy the Constitution to deal with the threat of Islam.
The first step in dealing with Islam is to tell the truth about both Muhammad and the evil ideology he invented. Spencer’s History of Jihad and Warner’s Political Islam should be taught in grade 9.
The second step is a ban on further Muslim immigration.
If the truth about Islam is taught and further immigration is banned Islam can be contained. If the Hijra continues and Islam is given the protection of a religion then America will become Islamic.
Indiana Tom says
Need to quit classifying Islam as a beneficial religion and proclaim it a terrorist organization. Yeah, the Muslims are protected by the Bill of Rights when sworn into the country and then turn around and egg each other on to go on Jihad. Just does not fly.
PRCS says
“Mr Morrison addressed the boycott yesterday, saying the leaders were “continuing down a path of denial”.
“Extremist radical Islam is a serious problem …We all have responsibilities to make Australia safe,” he said…”
So, who’s in denial here?
Terry Gain says
Yes, an ideology that mandates death for anyone disavowing the ideology and anyone refusing to become an adherent is per se radical and extreme.
PRCS says
But, my friend, what’s really being addressed is written, Orthodox Islam.
Just Islam.
No Qur’an “lite” for the squeamish.
gravenimage says
PRCS, Australian PM Scott Morrison is in much less denial than most in the West–even if he does define the problem as “extremist radical Islam”.
If we had all leaders currently putting such plans as this in action, and his being the only one still in denial over the problem simply being Islam, then such condemnation might make sense. As it stands right now, Morrison sounds pretty good.
Peggy says
I think he knows exactly that it’s Islam not just radical Islam but he can’t say as much.
He is sticking his neck out just by saying this much.
Of course the fact that we are having state election tomorrow is nothing to do with a change of heart, haha.
We are also having a federal election next year and polls indicate that Liberals will lose so Scott Morrison has to come out tough. He needs to get as many people to vote Liberal as possible.
There’s been a change of PM just recently and people are reacting negatively because of it.
I personally think that change of PM was the best thing that could happen to Australia.
That globalist Malcolm Turnbull had to go and Scott was the immigration minister back when he stopped the boats.
He was always a better choice but silly people react negatively because they want to punish Liberals for changing PMs mid stream.
I am starting to look at Liberals in a better light now that Scott is in charge.
PRCS says
Peggy,
“I think he knows exactly that it’s Islam not just radical Islam but he can’t say as much.”
Not to be mean, but that you “think” he knows exactly that it’s Islam” makes clear that he’s not being clear.
Of course, that’s not limited to Australian politicians.
The real issue is not–as you note–“radical Islam”. It’s literalism.
I’d bet–though I could be wrong–Morrison would achieve national hero status–to so many–if he stated it that bluntly and honestly.
vlad says
Good riddance of Turd-Bull, ex Bankster who as PM of Oz had his money stashed away as per the Panama Papers.
What a shining light NOT.
PRCS says
Dear GI,
“Morrison is in much less denial than most in the West”
The degree to which he’s in denial is irrelevant.
Somewhat like being a little bit pregnant.
How much longer will it take for him to leave the “less denial than most” plantation?
Peggy says
I’d bet–though I could be wrong–Morrison would achieve national hero status–to so many–if he stated it that bluntly and honestly.
=========================
I believe that you’re right. If put to a referendum most Australians would choose to boot those invaders out, stateless or not.
I don’t think he’s in denial. I think he is limited in what he can say because he still has to consider our safety. As long as he’s working towards achieving the goal he doesn’t have to say it all. If he did I have no doubt there would be a bloodbath on our streets.
He has to clean up the mess that his predecessors caused.
I’m prepared to give him a go. Just hope he gets a chance to clean house at the next elections because people are so shortsighted and will punish Liberals for change of PM when it was the best thing that could happen.
I’m terrified Shorten will be the next PM.
PRCS says
The “Muslim community’s” denial (read defensive lying) is–by their very statements–clear. And they know that. But we cannot say the same of our politicians, as they’ve yet to provide an unequivocal, offensive truth.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for him, but–at some point–the real problem will have to be clearly and honestly stated. The public deserves to know the truth.
Given that the safety of Western nations is already jeopardized by that “community”, and that the Oz referendum under consideration would certainly exacerbate that situation, the sooner it’s done the better (IMO).
gravenimage says
PRCS–with all respect–the implication that all politicians are useless unless they are completely knowledgeable and honest on every aspect of Islam sets a bar that few leaders in the West will reach.
Of course, all Western leaders *should* know–but, let’s face it, they don’t.
Certainly, though, some are still much better than others, and it is important to acknowledge that. Morrison is not perfect, nor is America’s Trump–but they are still much better than Britain’s May or France’s Macron.
It does not help the Counter-Jihad to regard them all to be of a piece.
PRCS says
Only takes one to get the ball rolling.
Guy Forester says
The West needs more leaders to speak up like this. Unfortunately, decades of liberal placed judges, questionable election results, entrenched leftist liberals that hate our culture and society, all supported by the MSM will make this man’s job nearly impossible. Just ask DJT. Meanwhile, the MSM and entrenched liberal politicos lick up every drop of drool that slobbers out of the mouths of May, Macron, Merkel, and similar “leaders.” Just ask DJT, Salvini, and Orban.
simpleton1 says
Without “moderates” pious, observant, devout, dedicated, passionate, the extremists would not get away with it and without “extremists” the moderates would not be supremacist , “the protected species” .
The “moderates” being the ones wanting NO discussion by anyone, no debate, about Mohammad, about his guidance and sayings in the koran, supported by his actions, deeds and sayings in the hadith, and sunnah.
As that may trouble just some of the moderate, observant, pious, devout. dedicated, passionate followers of the “perfect man” Mohammad, who will feel guided that they have to do something, like what the “perfect man” Mohammad often did.
The ones who strike are not really “extremists” just followers feeling they are called out to follow all of Mohammad’s ways, as per koran, knowing of abrogating verses, hadith, and sunnah.
gravenimage says
+1
somehistory says
With whom is he “debating”?
moslims will never admit that islam is the problem and do not want what they claim to want, for the PM “to address underlying issues”
The “underlying issuers” are…islam is evil and teaches, and even commands, its adherents to commit mayhem and murder any time, and at all times, they can, while lying and calling opponents derogatory names and claiming a “phobia” is the cause of the violence and terrorism…as though a *fear* is somehow evil. As though “fear” of moslims and their evil actions is the cause of the moslims terrorism and evil actions, and is the cause of the lies that moslims spew in order to confuse and cover up just how evil islam is.
Raja says
+1
Halal Bacon says
Expel them? toss them into shark infested waters and let satan, aka allah save them
Steven RSA says
Mulling? Debating?
shoehorn says
Scott Morrison’s party is behind in the polls and faces an election in 2019. However, he could turn it around. This is a step in the right direction.
Derek says
This is the most sensible policy I’ve heard from a politician since John Howard’s gun amnesty. Don’t forget to take their DNA and share it with other peaceful nations to ensure they can’t rock up claiming refugee status without any identification elsewhere.
tim gallagher says
Prime Minister Morrison is trying to move things in the right direction. I think he is aware of the growing anger amongst the Australian people and the concern about the continuing threat would-be Muslim terrorists pose if they are allowed to stay in Australia( eg after they get out of gaol). Whenever I’ve heard ideas such as stripping the citizenship and deporting these types of people, I think that the Muslim countries that they came from won’t take them back, probably because those Muslim countries would want to leave Muslim terrorists in Australia or any other non-Muslim nation where they can keep on trying to murder non-Muslim people. So I doubt whether it will work. I hope I’m wrong. I’m impressed with what Morrison is doing. I wanted Dutton to be Prime Minister when they dumped the pathetic Turnbull a month ago because Dutton is a tough and courageous man. Morrison is turning out to be stronger than I thought. He’s going fairly well on this issue.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Tim, I was just about to post on exactly this point:
“I think that the Muslim countries that they came from won’t take them back, probably because those Muslim countries would want to leave Muslim terrorists in Australia or any other non-Muslim nation where they can keep on trying to murder non-Muslim people. So I doubt whether it will work.”
and since I agree with your substantive point, I’ll just continue from there.
I expect that anyone who will start deporting Muslims en masse will run into what would, on the face of it, appear to be a paradox. Muslims owe no allegiance to anywhere over their allegiance to Islam, no matter what they say. So it shouldn’t matter to a Muslim which country they get deported to, as long as it’s in the Dar al-Islam, for everywhere within it, they will be with their precious umma(h). However, for a long time now, they’ve been allowed to establish mosques in the Dar al-Harb (non-Muslim territory destined for takeover by jihad). Every mosque, every Islamic Centre and every “Shari’a zone” in every non-Muslim country is an outpost of Dar al-Islam inside enemy territory. Muslim governments’ objections to deportations will have nothing to do with the deportations or even the deportees per se, and everything to do with the anathema of ceding those outposts, all de facto conquered territories. Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s attitude towards the expelled Rohingya is best understood in this way.
How to deal with this? The nearest Dar al-Islam territory to Australia, I expect, would be some remote Indonesian islands. Forget about civilian flights to civilian airports. This is a matter for the armed forces. Set all the deportees down on Indonesian islands where their deportation cannot be interfered with (of course with adequate shelter and supplies to give the Dar al-Islam authorities enough time to reach them). Indonesia has thousands of such islands. For Australia, this should be a no-brainer. And oh, don’t forget to take their DNA before deporting them.
It is important to do all this as humanely as possible, for obvious reasons.
PRCS says
“So it shouldn’t matter to a Muslim which country they get deported to, as long as it’s in the Dar al-Islam, for everywhere within it, they will be with their precious umma(h).”
Good point, but to your solution: unless that is intended to be a covert operation, what if the Indonesian government says “no”?
tim gallagher says
Thanks for your reply to my comment, Anjuli. You put forward an interesting idea, that of dumping these Muslim would-be terrorists on some remote Indonesian islands. I’d also love to just dump them anywhere, probably out of plane into the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Your idea won’t happen, probably ever. I live in Australia and I can see how much Australia’s politicians try to get along with Muslim Indonesia, probably because it is so close to our northern border. As PRCS says, what if the Indonesian government says “no”, which it most definitely would do. Indonesia, being a Muslim country, is no true friend of Australia so it would want as many Muslims to enter and stay in Australia and, they would hope, take over for Islam. It’s Islam’s goal everywhere. There’s a very successful talkback radio presenter here in Australia, who has said several times that we should get rid of these would-be Muslim terrorists and he says, if some are left stateless, then too bad, who cares. Just get rid of them. I agree with his sentiments, although I’m pretty sure you can’t leave any person stateless. I’m pretty sure it is impossible to do, although I don’t know much about such things. Anyway, thanks for your comments. Thanks for your comment, PRCS.
PRCS says
You’re welcome.
IMO, the only logical course is for politicians and law enforcement personnel to list and call out every passage of Islam’s core texts which are incompatible with their nation’s laws, make it clear that the unending denials and whitewash of those passages will no longer dictate policy, and that those who carry out those of Islam’s religious practices which violate that nation’s laws (FGM, polygamy, etc.) will be prosecuted–as with any other criminal.
My two cents.
tim gallagher says
PRCS, I’ve been writing to various politicians in Australia since 2001 . At first, I was calling for a reduction in Muslim migration as I could see the trouble it was inevitably bringing. For the past 10 years of so, I’ve been writing to them calling for an end to Muslim migration. Once I knew about the calls in the Koran for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, etc, I always included in my letters to polticians some of these passages, because I felt sure that a lot of politicians didn’t know about these passages. They should know them, but I’m sure a lot of the politicians don’t know much about the foul content of Islam at all. Maybe they are just too lazy or too busy with other garbage. I think your idea is a good one, but I don’t think politicians or law enforcement know much about Islam’s evil content. I feel everyone should understand by now how incompatible Islam is with our way of life (as you mention, FGM, polygamy and on and on). I wish they would all go off and educate themselves about Islam’s true nature. Only the leaders of Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia seem to know what they are dealing with when it comes to Islam. They seem to know it as a clear enemy of our values. I think Burma is also wise to be throwing their Muslims out, despite the criticism they receive. In relation to your comment above, I don’t think our politicians and law enforcement officials know much about Islam’s core texts, which is a pretty hopeless situation. Your idea is a good one. They should be forced to go and learn about Islam as a fundamental requirement for their jobs.. Hopefully, it’ll happen soon.
PRCS says
Thanks for your response. Have you been in touch with the Q Society of Australia?
tim gallagher says
Yes, PRCS, I sent a couple of donations to the Q Society a few years back. Then, I sent a couple of donations to the ALA, the Australian Liberty Alliance, which I think is the political party which developed out of the Q Society. I hate to say it but these groups remain tiny. I sent a donation to Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party because she had said she would end Muslim migration. I have sent a couple of donations to Cory Bernardi’s Australian Conservatives party and have written to them saying I would really like Muslim migration to end. I am impressed by Bernardi, but his party doesn’t seem to be getting anywhere. It is unfortunate. It probably just takes time to build support for a new party. Unfortunately, it is not in my nature to go and join political parties or groups. I’m probably not sociable enough for that and also, at almost 70 years old, probably I’m lacking a bit of energy. I’ll keep trying to wake up our politicians by writing to them. I just can’t understand how everyone hasn’t woken up by now.
The Remorseless Headsman says
Amazing! It seems like common sense is starting to break out in one of the invaded countries! Any chance it will be contagious and spread to others? One can only hope.
Raja says
Hope acknowledging Islamic terror is a step in the right direction. Extreme vetting might be an answer to this problem. Would any government mandate Koran burning ceremony for potential immigrants or better still would it deport anyone in possession of Koran by the next flight? Saudi Arabia does it. Additionally, all sites need to monitored, especially social media sites and sites that spew out allah hu akbar day (my god is greater than your god) in and day out.
Politico religions should not be given any preference over other faith systems. The state should not even view these politico religions in the same pedestal as their ideology is to kill.
Raja says
Correction,
Saudi Arabia does it to Christians.
gravenimage says
Australia: Prime Minister Scott Morrison mulling plan to strip jihadis of citizenship, expel them from the country
……………………..
*Excellent*.
PRCS says
As we’re so often told, jihad means “to struggle”.
So, which jihadists is he referring to?
gravenimage says
Of course, I do not know Morrison’s exact definition–but I assume he is referring to proven violent Jihad terrorists.
abad says
Good news.
Islam has no place in Australia.
John says
Kick their entire family out and shut down the mosque they practised in also. Set a Hard Line EXAMPLE TO COMBAT Hardline 1005 True islam .
John says
100%, not 1005 ,
John says
100%, not 1005
Dick Johnson says
Do you want to throw them in concentration camps and gas them as well?
gravenimage says
The claim that no wanting violent Jihadists murdering you means that you want to throw Jihadists into concentration camps and gas them is utter calumny–not to mention projection.
The reference, obviously, it to the Holocaust. But it is Jihadists who want to murder Jews, and who admire Hitler’s genocide of the Jews. More projection.
And Jews in Nazi Germany were not slaughtering Germans–but Jihadists *are* slaughtering Infidels. Again, more projection.
bo says
I do this before they take your country and live there as guests did in Egypt and get closer to taking over America
isabella says
Poor chaps. If Australia violate their human rights like this I am sure they can go into exile in another more tolerant country like London or France
Karl S. says
Good on PM Morrison! Hopefully, more countries in the west take notice.
Erl Roe says
this Prime Minister has a very considerable value put on human life with responsibility and loyalty for his country certainly in contrast to the likes of Angela Merkel who is happy to have her countries women raped and murdered . Yes have the criminals thrown out
Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says
Given every soldier of Muhammad, or Muslim as they deceptively call themselves, is at least a potential terrorist jihadist, I presume the entire Islamic community is now suspect.
It only takes a moment to go from nominal believers to staunch, devout adherent.
Muhammad was a terrorist, a slave owning rapist and false prophet, nothing good can flow from his linguistic machinations, it’s a clear as day, he and his moon god prizes violent jihad above all else.
Stop worrying about racism or that insane irrational phobia they force upon you, it’s evil and they’re completely untrustworthy.
Let’s begin telling the truth even though these pagan imbeciles will go mad with fury yet unleashed.
Indiana Tom says
Aw heck, they will go mad with fury no matter what we do. It is jihad, jihad, jihad, and more jihad. 24/7. During their holy days they attack us even more.
Bootstrapper says
To our current crop of politicians, talking about an issue, is exactly the same as doing something about it. So, I won’t be holding my breath, waiting for the deportations to begin. There’ll be a lot of talk, but no action.
Indiana Tom says
Prime Minister Scott Morrison is debating the idea, which would see potential terror threats, with heritage from a foreign country, stripped of their Australian citizenship.
“As far as I’m concerned, if you’ve put your hand up to say you uphold the rights and responsibility of Australian citizenship, but the next minute you want to talk jihad all day, it’s a breach of contract and you need to go,” Mr Wood said.…
Extremist radical Islam is a serious problem …We all have responsibilities to make Australia safe,” he said….
“I won’t cop the excuses,”
This is just way overdue and I am glad somebody is waking up to the fact that Islam is violent, brutish, sexist, and will not conform to Western values.
Why do we have to accommodate the Mudslimes when they have no intention of joining our civilization?
Get rid of them all. They are nothing but a drag.
infidel says
VOW!!! VOW!!! can’t believe that Aus PM SM spoke like this. VOW!!!!
When will my Indian PM speak like this…
PRCS says
If there are Muslims in India’s military forces–would he do that?
And it ain’t just India.
For the same–and so many other reasons–Western politicians (with few exceptions) are also loathe to tell it straight.
Baucent says
You’ve been labouring the point, I think we all get it. It’s easy to type away at your keyboard, taking the high moral ground and point out the failings, but you don’t have to deal with the political realities that those leaders are faced with. But the Australian PM is advancing the scrutiny and argument for more robust action against muslims who take up arms against the State. I’m not aware of one Western country that has revoked passports. That the Australian Government is even talking about it is commendable. Let’s wait and see what happens next.
PRCS says
That you “think” we all get it doesn’t mean we all “get it”, as numerous JW posters’ posts attest.
I asked an ACT representative, last year, why their organization still refers to “radical Islam”. I was told: they know it’s an inaccurate definition, but they fear that calling it what it really is–too soon, too quickly–will alienate their Muslim associates, partners, and allies.
And President Trump still refers to “radical Islamic terrorism”.
It’s been 17 years since 9/11 and Western nations are still dealing with the unending “political realities” which give politicians cover to tap dance around the issue.
Don’t know if passports were involved, but, here’s a link:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/italy-expels-35-suspected-isis-jihadists-cxrgpf3p6
And Muslims who take up arms against the state is not the bottom line issue. Those of Islam’s texts which drive that action is–and need to be called out.
PRCS says
tbW:
Islam is not an “extremist” ideoloogy. It’s just another ideology. Some of it doesn’t generally impact the kuffar (like wiping with one’s left hand, for example), some of it does (like the polygamy and FGM Muslims engage in–illegally–in Western nations).
So, tell me: given that Islam–the ideology–expects unquestioning submission to and compliance with Islam’s primary texts (Qur’an, sunnah, and Sira), at what point does a Muslim’s compliance with those texts become “extremism” from:
a. a Salafist’s point of view, and
b. yours
And, trying to be as polite as possible here: unless it’s praise, Muslims don’t care what “filthy unbelievers” think about their “complete way of life”.
gravenimage says
PRCS, you are right. There is no “moderate” Islam.
PRCS says
I completely disagree!
Islam is NOT an EXTREMIST ideology.
It,s just another ideology, albeit an ugly one.
Do some research.
Brian says
Govt is incompetent in learning that Utopian immigration policy is a loser for its native pop. There are consequences to stupidity.
Dick Johnson says
This belies the commonly held concept of citizenship. Once a person becomes a citizen, he enjoys the rights of everyone else with the same citizenship. Normally citizenship can only be removed if a person obtains it fraudulently. To determine rights based on place of birth of one’s parents or grandparents is not democratic. To expel citizens based on religious belief or practice is contrary to internationally accepted standards.
Australia has a legacy of racial and religious discrimination. If this story is true, the country is regressing back to a more sinister era.
Aussie Infidel says
Dick, Firstly, citizenship should be a privilege, not a right. If a person who is granted citizenship behaves in a way that is contrary to the interests of his country, he has effectively rejected its laws and values, and is not worthy of any protection to which he might otherwise be entitled.
Jihadis are not exercising what we might classify as normal “religious beliefs and practices.” While Islam is a religion, because it embodies belief in a supernatural being, its practices are contrary to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all accepted codes of decency – except the Sharia of course. Islam is a threat to the national security of all democratic countries, and has no pace in a civilised society.
While there have been conflicts in Australia between Catholics and Protestants, and between Christians and others, they were not sanctioned by Christian scripture (and btw, I’m an atheist). However, the Islamic scriptures (which I hope you have read) contain hundreds of verses commanding Muslims to wage jihad against unbelievers. Islam is a criminal ideology which should be declared illegal, and any Muslim who follows this criminal code should be kicked out of the country.
No Muslim should ever be granted citizenship in a democracy, because Islam rejects both democracy and secularism. If Muslims have been granted citizenship, and still continue to practise their ‘religion’, they have obtained it under false pretences, and it should be revoked immediately.
Ultimately, it will be a matter of survival – them or us!
gravenimage says
If an individual’s only reason for being in a civilized nation is to destroy it and murder her people, then they are not true citizens. I think the bar for losing citizenship should be *very* high–but surely plotting the slaughter of the nation’s citizens should qualify?
PRCS says
And just skip appropriate prison time?
gravenimage says
Of course not, PRCS. I have always said that Jihadists should be deported *after* serving their sentences.
PRCS says
Even those born in the U.S.?
Where would they be deported to, and under what authority?
PRCS says
Yes, deja-vu.
The Hesperado/Vogelinian was infamous for that crap.
There’s only one answer: It ain’t gonna happen.
And I worry that people who think (don’t think!) that way also vote.
Angemon says
Dick Johnson posted:
“Once a person becomes a citizen, he enjoys the rights of everyone else with the same citizenship. Normally citizenship can only be removed if a person obtains it fraudulently. ”
If removing citizenship is not an option, then the harsher treason laws should be applicable.
Richard Courtemanche says
Prime Minister Morrison for Canadian PM,
Ric says
I am reiterating the words of others but in agreement. Anyone who chooses to take part or aspires the support in the worldwide Jihad, stripping of their citizenship is imperative. Progressives, needless to say, would whine and riot in defense of those whose intent is the downfall of Western Civilization. The Australian PM is right; however, he will, likely, end up vilified and labeled an Islamophobe. The Democrats, Canada’s Liberals under Trudeau would never stoop to the protection of their nation’s sovereignty. After all, they have capitulated to Islam as has the EU.
PRCS says
Don’t know what country you call home, Ric–
But those born here in the U.S. are citizens by birth, and stripping the citizenship from those who take part in the worldwide jihad–or other crimes–isn’t going to happen.
When, and if they’re caught, that’s what our legal system is for.
Arrest and charge, try, sentence, serve time, if appropriate.
And if Morrison is–as noted–going to be vilified anyway, he might as well go the full Monty and state, rightly, that the problem isn’t “radical, extremist Islam”, it’s Islam, as these folks have made quite clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdm-OnZJFrI