Armagan Eriklioglu, the father of the Eriklioglu brothers, said he did not believe the charges. “They are very polite, they’re not wild, they’re not aggressive,” he told 9 News. “They listen to the scholars like me, scholars and all that… but no, not Islamic State.”
And what do you “scholars” tell them, Mr. Eriklioglu? The Qur’an directs Muslims to wage jihad warfare against unbelievers (cf. 2:190-193; 4:89; 9:5; 9:29; 47:4; etc.). The Islamic State didn’t make up jihad. How did your teaching differ from that of the Islamic State, Mr. Eriklioglu? Establishment media reporters, unfortunately, never ask such questions.
“Australian police arrest 3 for plotting IS-styled terror attack,” by Clyde Hughes, UPI, November 20, 2018 (thanks to Phil):
Nov. 20 (UPI) — Three men were arrested in Australia Tuesday, suspected of plotting an Islamic State-inspired terror attack, authorities said.
Brothers Ertunc Eriklioglu, 30, and Samed Eriklioglu, 26, and acquaintance Hanifi Halis, 21, were arrested in raids at different locations and charged in Melbourne Magistrates’ Court Tuesday afternoon on one count of preparing a terrorist act, Australia’s 9 News reported.
Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton told reporters the men had been under investigation since March.
“We didn’t have a precise time and a precise location (of the plotted attack),” Ashton told reporters. “They were looking at a place of mass gathering. There was a view towards a crowded place, a place where maximum people would be attending, to be able, to kill, we allege, as a maximum amount of people as possible.”…
Asst. Commissioner Ross Guenther said they’d been persons of interest since early 2017 and appeared to have radicalized themselves.
“Unfortunately the [Islamic State] propaganda machine and that of Al Qaida promotes this side of activity,” Guenther said.
Armagan Eriklioglu, the father of the Eriklioglu brothers, said he did not believe the charges.
“They are very polite, they’re not wild, they’re not aggressive,” he told 9 News. “They listen to the scholars like me, scholars and all that… but no, not Islamic State.”
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Walter Sieruk says
Those three jihadist/ Muslims who live in Australia their their Islamic schemes to inflects mass murders are most heinous. This further shows the malice-filled vicious influence that hard core non- watered down jihad Qu’ ran based Islam can breed in the hearts of men. For those jihad-minded Muslims with their callous, malicious and murderous intentions because they have such Qu ‘ran instruction as in 2:191; “Kill the disbelievers wherever you fine them…” Which naturally applies to the non-Muslims in Australia as we well as “disbeliever” in other Western nations. Likewise other place in the Qu ‘ran it also instructs in cruel vicious murderous violence against people who are not Muslims ,As in 5:33, 9:5 47:4.
For many times the jihadist members of different Islamic terror entities, as those of ISIS, have gathered together and chanted the words “We love death, they love life.” Likewise those jihadist/Muslims don’t stop with those awful words; they carry through with jihad suicide/homicide attacks. Any sane person would ask “Why do those jihad –minded Muslims have such a mindset of murderous madness?” The answer is that they obtain the way of thinking and believing from the “holy book” of Islam, the Koran. As some people call it the Qu ‘ran. For example the Koran in Sura 9:111 instructs “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.” Therefore it may be conclude that Islam is actually a death cult. In great and wonderful contrast to the death cult which is Islam there is Christianity which is centered on Jesus and His teachings. For Jesus did not teach killing and death but taught and gave life, a good peaceful well lived life and more. For example Jesus declared “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” John 10:10. [K.J.V.]
Walter Sueruk says
Those three jihadist /Muslims who were scheming a murderous Islamic plot to create a large massacre in Australia were following the instruction of their Qu ‘ran. Which informs them in Sura 47 4 “Whenever you encounter the disbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them…”
First, using such things a bombs and automatic rifles can ,for sure , make a greater “slaughter among them” the a sword can..
Second , the many apologists for Islam have some gall to make the claim , in spite of all the facts , that “Islam a “peaceful religion.”
Third, the reason the those Muslim terrorists are so very , despicable ,unconscionable and malicious as to actually scheme to engage in a mass murder plot . is explained in the Bible.
For the Bible informs its reader that there are some men who are so extremely vicious ,cold and callous at heart because they have had “their conscience seared with a hot iron.” First Timothy 4:2. [K.J.V.] The “hot iron” in this case is Islam.
Wellington says
Demonstrating once again how utterly sick the Islamic faith is.
While the Islamic faith should be acknowledged as a religion and should be accorded tolerance to the same extent other failed belief systems like Marxism and Nazism are, this should not translate, ever translate, into any Western country doing any of the following: 1) asserting that Islam is not evil for it surely is; 2) accepting ANY further Muslim immigrants; 3) deluding itself into thinking that more Muslims in any Western country is something good, for it surely is not (just as what Western nation needs any more Marxists or Neo-Nazis, anarchists, or…); 4) ever thinking, though very possibly technically, legally correct as of present in one Western country after another, that any Western nation has to commit national suicide in order to prove how tolerant such a nation is by not treating Islam as the turd in the punch bowl of world religions which it surely is—do what must be done to preserve the West; if this involves new laws, even amendments to constitutions, then do it because Islam will use Western freedom in order to destroy Western freedom.
The West pioneered freedom to its max. No other civilization has. It is not necessary to destroy this freedom by exculpating Islam in the name of freedom. Allow it, but also castigate it as is the case with other heinous ideologies, whether religious or secular, for instance Satanism, Marxism, Nazism, anarchism, et al.
It is not the allowance of Islam in free societies to exist which is the problem. No, not at all. Rather, it is PRETENDING that Islam is something good, something innocuous—extra stupidly even something benevolent—which is THE PROBLEM in our age. Proceed from here and find any legal pretext, any constitutional pretext, to deny Islam’s design to destroy Western freedom in its totality. If given the chance it will. And one knows this or should know it.
nicholas tesdorf says
Continued Jihad attacks in Australia by Muslims are slowly alerting people to the real nature and threat of Islam and the fangerous beliefs and violent tendencies of Muslims driven by the fundamentals and the dictates of Islam.
mortimer says
Jihad attacks help the sleepers to awake more than our web forums.
gravenimage says
Sometimes, Mortimer.
But some dhimmis are willing to accept constant Jihad terror attacks as the “new normal”.
Angemon says
“Radicalized themselves”? As in, they read the islamic texts and realized that that terrorist groups like ISIS or Hezbollah have, in fact, the “right” islam? Well, I suppose it’s more along the lines of “they watched islamic propaganda online and fell for it hook line and sinker” as opposed to “they were contacted and brainwashed by a known member of a terrorist group” – but no, I wouldn’t call that “self-radicalization”.
gravenimage says
+1
FYI says
Just a bunch of “Australian” moslem Larrikins,eh,according to their deluded,dissembling pappy?
Just some moslem lads doing what moslem lads do best:groping women,lying,plotting evil..
No concept of those essential Exodus 20 laws of God of course :but who needs the commandments when allah himself DISAGREES with them and islam’s perfect moral example,who all muslims must follow{sunnah}is,according to islamic teachings…a mass-murdering,polygamist,pederast,cross-dressing,illiterate,psycopath?
mortimer says
SCHOLARS??? What do Islamic ‘SCHOLARS’ SAY about JIHAD ??? Let’s see, shall we?
The following commentary is as close to an “official” definition of jihad as we can get. It is contained in the footnotes on p.39, ‘The Noble Koran’, published by King Fahd Complex for Publication of the Quran, Madinah, KSA.
“Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.” – footnotes on p.39, ‘The Noble Koran’, published by King Fahd Complex for Publication of the Quran, Madinah, KSA.
Jihadists are the “real” Muslims
Qur’an 33:22 “Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle.”
“The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law… In an Islamic state, there is in principle no law other than the shar’ia, the Holy Law of Islam… The idea that any group of persons, any kind of activities, or any part of human life is in any sense outside the scope of religious law and jurisdiction is alien to Muslim thought.” – Bernard Lewis
tim gallagher says
Yes, it’s been terrible week here in Australia. The murderous attack about a week ago in the middle of Melbourne, that court case over some other planned attack by another bunch of Muslims (I can only vaguely remember that one – Muslim terrorism overload, I guess) and now these Muslim would-be terrorists. I would prefer that none of this happened, but it is definitely waking some of the slow learners up. I’ve heard a few of the people who I thought were soft on Islam and just didn’t get it now, finally, sounding like they’ve woken up. As someone who learned enough about Islam to have been writing to politicians and calling for a ban on any more Muslim migration for around 15 years or so, I’ve been thinking, oh, at last, you fools are waking up. You should have woken up years ago. In the report above, that father calling himself a “scholar”. What the F*ck. He sounded moronic (well, it’s hard to say as his English was almost non-existent) when interviewed on the TV news. And, apparently (his English was so bad that I couldn’t understand anything he said but a commentator indicated what he said), he said that ISIS didn’t really exist but was an American invention. Yeah, he’s a scholar alright, well, by Islam’s ridiculously low standards. They inhabit a different universe. Then, on the news report, a woman came out of the house completely covered in black. Not even the slit where her eyes were visible. A commentator said she called the reporters “cockroaches”, then walked up to her car, got in and drove away. I felt the police should have arrested her as she couldn’t possibly have been able to see well enough to drive. I’m sure she didn’t even have the slit where you can normally see these women’s eyes. I guess the police let her drive off. I thought it was hopeless. I know the police were dealing with a bigger issue and probably didn’t want aggravate things but there was no way she could see well enough to drive safely.
Shalom says
Have a look at these raving lunatics being confronted by Avi
https://youtu.be/2Mvz8vhEGJc
duh swami says
Well, if you are going to kill for Allah, you should go for the maximum,,,The minimum would be one, and that would not please Allah…He expects more from you than just one…If you get killed trying, don’t worry, Allah will give you raisins…
Notmoron says
3 going to the “jail ” and how many going in for “refugees “???
simpleton1 says
Australia 🙂
A small step, but the direction is good.
gravenimage says
Agreed.
tim gallagher says
simpleton 1 and gravenimage, I agree with you, this is a very good step by Morrison and his government.. Breaking free of the UN globalist agenda and, instead, making decisions on migration based only on the best interests of Australia ( ie protecting our nation’s sovereignty) is a great move. It is probably a good move politically as well. If the ALP, Australian Labor Party, win the next federal election, around May next year, they’ll more than likely go rushing to join up with the UN compact on immigration, even if they deny that they will do so in the lead up to the election. That is the sort of thing they are likely to do. They never seem interested in protecting the country and, last time they were in power, ( I think they got into power around 2006 or 2007) they opened Australia’s borders to an invasion of “refugees” invading on boats run by people smugglers. It was like what we’ve seen in Europe in recent years. I doubt whether Labor have learnt much since then. Maybe they know that the illegal invaders (er, “refugees”) that they let in will vote Labor and that’s all they care about..
simpleton1 says
Thanks gravenimage & tim gallagher
“A small step, but the direction is good”.
It is an important step, as it is the main point is the change of direction.
How ever for Scott Morrison there is still a long way to go.
I know that politically he can not come out as being anti muslim, and already there has been a bit of back lash even just saying that extremism or radical islam is the problem.
That step has very little power behind it. as he still does not know islam and its ‘drivers’.
Scott Morrison seems to hold a lot of respect for islam, believing it is ‘peaceful’ and basically moderate.
So far Scott Morrison puts his trust in muslim leaders, and is ok with supposed moderate islam. So legal immigration will continue.
A cut in the numbers?, will it be real?, sounds like reducing a cap where to the level where immigration is.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/scott-morrison-expects-to-slash-australias-migration-intake-by-up-to-30000/news-story/daf4a6a6e44c1cbcb642e766d63c60d2
It will be a first step, at least a discussion with the people, of just how much immigration do they want.
Will a firm cut be politically feasible?
TheBuffster says
“They are very polite, they’re not wild, they’re not aggressive,” he told 9 News. “They listen to the scholars like me, scholars and all that… but no, not Islamic State.”
That’s just a father trying to find a way to deny what his sons have done.
As I recall, Osama bin Laden was said to be a very polite, not personally aggressive or wild personality. And he looked quite serene and peaceful. Almost sweet.
And even if the father and other scholars have not pushed jihad to them, the 3 sons are grown men who can read the scriptures for themselves, go to jihadist sites on the Internet and go wherever they like in the real world to listen to whomever they like. If they think their dad wouldn’t approve of what they’re into, they just wouldn’t tell him.
Aussie Infidel says
Mr Eriklioglu’s sons may have once been polite, but not any more. These young men are examples of what happens when they are subjected to indoctrination by the barbaric death cult he and his ilk have brought to this once peaceful land.
The Quran tells Muslims, “do not take Jews and Christians as allies.” (Q5:51); to “kill infidels wherever you find them” (Q9:5). “And fight them until there is no fitnah (opposition) and the religion, is all for Allah.” (Q8:39). Surely that’s what the ‘scholars’ would have taught them. That’s what Islam itself says in it’s own holy book. Otherwise, they would be denying their own verses – and that would be blasphemy, which is punishable by death.
Even if Eriklioglu Snr tried to prevent his sons from being radicalised, Islamic doctrine, peer group pressure and the imam’s Friday services have obviously had a much more profound effect on their mindset.
While Islam is a religion, Muslim immigration should be banned. As long as those verses of violence remain in Islam’s holy scriptures, Muslims should be banned from immigrating to Australia – or any democratic country.