Shire Ali “was known to ASIO and had his passport cancelled in 2015, it is understood to prevent him travelling to Syria to join Islamic State.” Mental illness? Come on. The family’s claims might carry more weight if they could produce any evidence that Shire Ali was actually being treated for mental illness; so far they’ve just asserted that he was mentally ill. And this excuse is so often used in obvious cases of Islamic jihad that skepticism becomes unavoidable. The Muslim community in Australia is trying to prevent scrutiny of Islamic teachings, the very thing that is most needed. Kudos to Morrison for (so far) standing his ground.
“PM dismisses mental health as an ‘excuse’ for ‘radical and dangerous ideology of extremist Islam’ in Melbourne terror aftermath,” by Cameron Jenkins, Australian Times, November 12, 2018:
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has said Australian Muslims need to take greater responsibility in helping to uncover potential terrorists….
“Religious extremism takes many forms around the world and no religion is immune from it. That is the lesson of history and, sadly, modern history as well,” he said.
“But here in Australia, we would be kidding ourselves if we did not call out the fact that the greatest threat of religious extremism in this country is the radical and dangerous ideology of extremist Islam.”
In interviews with Australian media on Monday, the prime minister urged the Muslim community to be more “proactive” claiming some imams and community leaders will know who is “infiltrating” and radicalising members of their congregations.
He dismissed the idea that the metal health of Friday’s attacker was the root cause of the incident as an “excuse”.
“This bloke, radicalised here in Australia with extreme Islam, took a knife and cut down a fellow Australian in Bourke Street,” Morrison told Network Ten on Monday.
“I am not going to make an excuse for that. Of course issues of mental health and all these other things are important.
“He was a terrorist. He was a radical extremist terrorist who took a knife to another Australian because he had been radicalised in this country.”
On Friday evening on Bourke Street in Melbourne’s CBD, 30 year old Hassan Khalif Shire Ali crashed a car loaded with gas bottles before stabbing three people. He was shot by police and later died in hospital. One of the victims, well known Melbourne restaurateur Sisto Malspina, died from his wounds.
In a letter given to 9News, the family of Shire Ali say he was mentally ill and was in need of help but refused it.
“Hasan suffered from mental illness for years and refused help,” the letter reads.
“He’s been deteriorating these past few months.
“He has seen a psychologist and psychiatrist, but stopped as his paranoia and hallucinations led him to believe they’re ‘after him’.
“Please stop turning this into a political game.”…
30-year old Shire Ali was born in Somalia and moved to Australia in the 90s. He was known to ASIO and had his passport cancelled in 2015, it is understood to prevent him travelling to Syria to join Islamic State, but was not being actively monitored.
Jack Cade says
Don’t prevent Muslim barrows from leaving for Syria or any other shit hole, just don’t let them back in!
Jon Sobieski says
Exactly. Let them die in their jihad fighting MUSLIMS not infidels. And the 3 men, 1 who died, would be enjoying their day of living.
Anne Smith says
Just what I thought. If they want to go, give them a ticket and wave goodbye – for ever.
DJ says
Agree. If they want to leave let them, cancel their passports and take away their citizenship! Do not allow them back into a civil Western country.
Peggy says
I never could understand why they were being prevented from going.
Did they think that they would only come back worse? If so then why let them in? None of it makes any sense at all.
The biggest crime is letting this evil into our countries in the first place. It’s not like they haven’t been warned by the Christian Lebanese community here in Australia.
I firmly believe our governments knew exactly what the consequences of bringing this garbage of the world was going to be and didn’t care because they had to tow the line from the UN.
Maybe I am wrong and maybe the UN is being controlled as well but our governments knew. There is no way they couldn’t know because they have the best intelligence services. They also cooperate with other western countries and their intelligence services so how could they not know?
Anne Smith says
The UN is now totally under Muslim control They have the votes and the oil money.
It is time to kick it out of New York and let them go to Medina or Riyadh.
ninetyninepct says
Somalia.
Michael says
Under X prime minister Malcolm Turnbul and Attorney general George Brandis migration law was changed just as Isis became a threat coincidence ? as Turnbul did not want terrorists to become stateless so that a terrorist with dual citizenship could not be deported unless it was shown they were an active dual citizen so in effect the Liberal Party of Australia under Turnbul set up Australia for future terrorist attacks.Yes the government should of let them go fight for Isis get killed on the battlefield and if they survived banned them for life from re entering Australia instead the government cancelled passports so they could kill Australians instead.Certainly makes you wonder if our leaders are in on it?We now have 400 on terrorist watch list mostly dual citizens who cannot be deported unless our new PM Morrison changes imigration laws to allow the deportation of terrorists .
Mark Martin says
Good
Arthur says
He came as a refugee to Australia. How many more? This is not first time when Somalians prepared attacks, or joined any jihad groups.
Norger says
Good for the PM. This “mental illness” excuse gets floated nearly every time there is a jihad terror attack in the west. And the MSM generally gives it uncritical acceptance; e.g. the recent shooting on Danforth Avenue in Toronto.
Renate says
Good for the Australian Prime Minister! At long last someone in the West is being realistic about the threat.
infidel says
As usual no words of contrition from Muslims… only playing victims..
Mark Swan says
Prime Minister Morrison has said Australian Muslims need to take greater
responsibility in helping to uncover potential terrorists….
Yes they should—yet that would hinder their efforts against the Non-Muslim.
The so called moderates are the basis for Jihad—after a real rowdy jaunt
amongst the unbelievers—it is good to worm the bones beside the home fires.
The aid and comfort from so called moderates to Jihad is real.
The perceived threat of a good O Muslim fit is often enough to give the Muslim
the edge on the Non-Muslim—allowing them far too much room for their
arrogant pushiness in what ever they please.
Benedict says
Muslims have now found a novel way out when caught in terror activities, “mentally ill”, but now for once their bluff is being called out.
This Somali, if he was staying in Somalia, would be wondering where the next meal would be coming from or how to thieve to eat and live to see another day. In Australia his stomach is full, he and his family are doing well and the government is paying for all their wants, so he thinks now it is time to kill some Australians, he does not consider them to be his fellow countrymen, since they are the infidels. Allah is going to be pleased when he kills these infidels and he will be martyred and get his 72 virgins. Is there the death penalty in Australia? If it is there, he should be sentenced to death.
Michael Copeland says
He is dead. He died in hospital from the shot by police.
Cat says
He appears to have been shot by a woman. Which is a bonus, as their asinine ideology says he cannot go to paradise and get his booty should he die at the hands of a female.
Carol the 1st says
That may be inaccurate. When Shire was trying to knife two officers the one to his right almost looked like a female with short-sleeved shirt reaching for her gun – but a different angle showed that that officer was a male.
Michael says
No death penalty in Australia we have some of the softest laws in the western world rapists are let out again and again one guy in Melbourne raped 18 times killed the last victim before he was put in goal for maybe life but that can be overturned under our system https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-27/conviction-inside-the-hunt-for-jill-meaghers-killer/7864120
Kay says
But why did they keep letting him out?
mortimer says
Hallelujah for PM Scott Morrison. Finally, a world leader has recognized the IDEOLOGY of JIHADISM for what it is … a VIOLENT, SUPREMACIST, CONQUISTATORIAL, TERRORISTIC IDEOLOGY.
The MOST IMPORTANT realization is the motive of JIHADISM : HATRED OF THE KAFIR.
When most people understand those 2 things, we will have HALF the problem solved.
Those 2 things must become GENERALLY KNOWN. In an age of TOLERANCE for every absurd idea, LEFTARDS ASSUME that Islam is also TOLERANT and that it seeks COEXISTENCE …
Islam is in fact MOTIVATED BY HATRED and INTOLERANCE of the KAFIR.
gravenimage says
+1
Peggy says
Well we are going to have federal election next year and this PM is most likely not going to be a PM again.
They are expecting Labor to win which will be a disaster.
Labor scrapped border protection laws when they got in last time and the flood of boat people ended up in Australia.
When Liberals under Tony Abbott got in border protection was strengthened again. Then Tony was talking about allowing only the persecuted refugees like Christians and other non Muslim refugees being allowed to enter Australia he was quickly replaced by that traitor Malcolm Turnbull.
Now Turnbull is out and Morrison is in but because of the instability in the parliament people are expected to punish Liberals and elect that traitor Bill Shorten.
We’ll be back to square one again very soon. I am already sick at the thought of it.
I just hope that all the polls are wrong. I don’t think much of Liberals either as they are still allowing Muslims in but seeing how people don’t vote for minor parties so much they are a slightly better alternative.
infidel says
Animal Australian Imam instead calls PM Morrison as BLOODY PM…Shameless Islamic rogue.. They do not respect non Muslim leaders the world over…!! PM Morrison should catch this worm by the scruff of his neck and boot him out…
Cat says
He should indeed. But, alas, he is too damn feeble.
infidel says
Ps C how animal Muslim Australian IMAM abuses Aussie PM Morrison for calling out Islamic terrorism..
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/national-security/sheik-mohammed-omran-tells-bloody-pm-morrison-blame-police-not-us/news-story/d3208166531428af2e4fd39ae78bfa13
gravenimage says
This Imam is saying that Australian police are to blame for Muslims waging violent Jihad against innocent Australians? How does that work? Muslims wage Jihad against all Infidels.
Tom says
Condemned by their own words !!!
IF …. and it’s a VERY BIG IF ….. there is so much mental illness rife in the muslim community, and if the authorities know it exists in such vast numbers, then WHY are muslims even allowed into our countries?
If there was a community that had an inordinate number of physically handicapped or who had a disease that was carried by that ethnic community alone would we allow then to come to our countries in the millions? I think not, given the inordinate stress that such handicaps or possible spread of disease would have on our medical and social systems as well as our economy and our populations.
It appears that the only insanity and mental instability within the general muslim community is brought about by the blind and unquestioning following of the teachings of Islam.
gravenimage says
Good question, Tom. Of course, few ever ask this question.
Carol the 1st says
Why would you think these “flaws” would be lacking especially when mum’s been the word? Britain’s medical system is at breaking point and it’s a wonder we haven’t had worldwide epidemics. Fortunately borders are closing and the world is turning to the conservative right. Australia turning to Labor seems to be cavalierly kissing their country goodbye.
LytchZam says
Many don’t understand Australia’s peril. When they read: “Australia,” they think Crocodile Dundee, shrimp on the barbie, and that famous opera house. The “Land ‘a Wonder, the Land Down Under” is about a hundred miles from the edge of the world’s most populus Islamic country, Indonesia.
Carol the 1st says
Yes, that nearby threat must instill an understandable despair. The largest muslim population in a country is in Indonesia (12.7%) The article below describes why Islam found more fertile soil there (Sufism and a bit of a religious vacuum among the peasants):
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5o8avu/how_did_indonesia_and_malaysia_become
John W says
This is fine and all but in the below quote and one of the other ones he is careful(as are most critics) to differentiate extremist Islam from that benign loving beautiful harmless Islam that we all know and love.
“But here in Australia, we would be kidding ourselves if we did not call out the fact that the greatest threat of religious extremism in this country is the radical and dangerous ideology of extremist Islam.”
Wellington says
Yes, I agree with you, John W. Good that the PM said what he did but the day needs to come when a term like “extremist Islam” is widely known to be redundant. I would very much prefer that day coming sooner rather than later.
gravenimage says
Agreed, John–not ideal. But still so much closer to the truth than what you find from most Western leaders, I still consider Morrison’s words here a very good thing.
Norger says
Agreed. No western political leader ( except “campaign trail” Trump) has the cajones to call out Islam for what it is. This is the best we can hope for; I’ll take it.
Georg says
“Please stop turning this into a political game.”…
Such contrition from a family who sat there and watched him “deteriorating for months”.
Michael says
Most mentally ill are not violent how come so many Muslims with mental illness are? must be something in their belief system there is no other explanation.
David Munson says
Mental illness has nothing to do with this. Islamic Ideaology is the issue. Namely the Koran.
gravenimage says
Australian PM dismisses mental illness as an “excuse” for “dangerous ideology of extremist Islam” after jihad attack
………………………..
Good for Prime Minister Scott Morrison for telling the truth!
Cat says
If we didn’t have islam to begin with, we wouldn’t need to worry about extremist islam.
Like say, twenty years ago.
I’m so sick of even having to think of islam.
Older Canadian says
It appears Australia is starting to have second, or third thoughts. This along with their refusal to sign the UN Immigration pact should give a sigh of relief to their citizens and hopefully noticed by other western countries.
Dapto says
Rubbish one of the first things Morrison did as the new Prime Minister was to sign the UN global migration compact. Australia will double in population in 30 years thanks to the Traitor political class.
Older Canadian says
Sorry but, I read on Gatestone a few days ago, an article from a very informed author that Australia will not be signing the agreement in December 2018. Check this out.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Older Canadian.
Terry says
The two police first on the scene of “the incident”, i.e., after the victims were stabbed, did not just pull out the handguns and shoot the murderer -they spent time defending themselves and trying to contain the situation and “talk him down” etc. The perp kept trying to harm them with the knife and the fire kept burning. Then one policeman defended himself and his partner with a shot. Unbelievably, the moment of the shot was on a facebook video.
Local news with video of the first two police at the incident: https://www.news.com.au/national/making-excuses-scott-morrison-doubles-down-in-response-to-bourke-street-attack/news-story/2c49a431ce596ebb112ebc943a53dac1
Kasey says
400 plus on a watch list, over 200 passports confiscated. Many are agro within their ranks as they can’t go overseas. So we now suffer the consequences of keeping them here rather than letting some go, never to return and by not deporting the rest.
Michael says
Will take a class action for negligent homicide or charges of treason against complicit politicians to end the problem of terrorism.One of Australia’s biggest trading partners for live animal export is Indonesia also Australia gets all of its fuel imported from Singapore so the Islamic countries have us over an oil barrel as well as a trade one.Only solution i can see is make our own fuel which we have ample shale coal to produce gas diesel and Petrol .On the trade problem package our meat and send it to western nations Europe USA ect . The Coal-To-Liquids Imperative For Australian Fuel Security http://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=c296f0b2-1eef-4db9-9b4a...
alex Reid says
This isn’t extreme Islam. This IS NORMAL ISLAM!!! After all, he’s only following the commandments of the Koran – kill non – Muslims, FFS!!!!
Carol the 1st says
That’s right. Islamic lives center on their tomes – corrupt dodo supernatural fictions that endanger others and force them to submit to the ruination of their lives and then learn to live with it. It thus has to be squarely faced and openly rejected. WHO do we think we’re kidding at this point in time? We have far better fish to fry than that flaky one!
Douglas Murray describes Islam as being like a Mafia and essentially says “you can make AMAZING INROADS if you come to someone’s door saying ‘I’m VERY UNHAPPY with you… but this big, tall fellow behind me is EXTREMELY ANGRY with you…and I can only hold him back for now…”
It’s a tag-team effort. Murray says that when there really IS “this big, tall, angry fellow” it is amazing how well it works.
Carol the 1st says
The Ultimate Source of Islamic Hate for Infidels:
https://www1.cbn.com/ibrahim/exclusive:-the-ultimate-source-of-islamic-hate-for-infidels
Richard Courtemanche says
Among the many takiyas used by Islamic parasites, mental illness is just too accommodating. Most are simply barbarians unfit for Western civilizations. If only we had leaders!
UNCLE VLADDI says
“Mental Illness” again?! That tired old “I didn’t do it – only by brain did it!” excuse?
Paranoid masochism and the hypocrisy required to cover it up is what defines psychopathy: First, the paranoia: you falsely and slanderously assert that everyone else is always out to get you, which choice “makes” (lets) you feel like a helpless victim all the time (self-inflicted masochism) which then lets one create false, hypocritical scenarios of NOT-blaming others, as long as they agree to go along (with your criminal lies) to get along (with you, the extortive criminal) in agreeing that you’re a perpetually helpless victim, “too.” So as long as everyone else in your newly-formed victim-ideneity gang also agrees that everyone else in the gang is an equally-helpless fellow victim, they get to avoid being labelled as part of the oppressor group you can now all vilify and extort (as “intolerant hateful racist bigot infidels,” etc.)!
Islam simply takes this common human failing to the next level, giving it the imprimatur of deity as exemplified by The Perfect Example of Humanity for All Mankind, the prophit, Dirty Old Moe himself!
And, while all criminals are hypocrites and vice-versa, not all criminals are gangsters (but it’s very unusual for them to not at least show a token support for one or more other criminal victimal gangs, as a sort of insurance excuse, just in case)!