Yes indeed, his “cultural norms” are “different.” But why are they paramount? Why can’t France enforce its own “cultural norms”? Why can’t any Western country?
His cultural norms stem from Islam. One survivor of a Muslim rape gang in the UK said that her rapists would quote Quran to her, and believed their actions justified by Islam.
The Qur’an teaches that Infidel women can be lawfully taken for sexual use (cf. its allowance for a man to take “captives of the right hand,” 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50, 70:30). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” (33:59) The implication there is that if women do not cover themselves adequately with their outer garments, they may be abused, and that such abuse would be justified.
“Refugee acquitted of rape ‘as he has different cultural norms’ – His female victim attempted suicide,” Voice of Europe, November 22, 2018:
A refugee from Bangladesh was tried by a French court and was acquitted of the rape of a high school girl. The verdict was handed down yesterday.
The young man also sexually assaulted another young girl. He was charged with both cases but acquitted of the rape.
According to the defense the refugee has ‘different cultural norms’ or ‘cultural codes’ and could have misinterpreted the contact with the girl.
Experts who investigated the man, described him as narcissistic and self-centred and that in the male culture of Bangladesh, his country of origin, “women are relegated to the status of sexual object”.
Both incidents happened near the end of 2015. The accused, aged 18 at the time of rape, went for a walk with a 16-year-old girl who attended the same high school.
He suggested they go his house in Saint-Lô. There, he kissed her, touched her and groped her genitals….
In custody, the refugee says that the girl was consenting and the police closed the case. After which the young girl attempts suicide in late 2015 was hospitalised for a week.
Four months later the refugee was arrested again and the final verdict was handed down yesterday.
The refugee is acquitted of the rape but sentenced to two years in prison as a suspended sentence for the sexual assault of the first victim….
mortimer says
NOTA BENE: FRENCH WOMEN HAVE NO RIGHT TO THE SECURITY OF THE PERSON.
The French legal system is on the side of RAPISTS.
James Lincoln says
Mortimer,
More accurately, only rapists who are Muslim.
Andy says
France Rises Up Against Macron. John Kerry Says Climate Change Fuels Migration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_D_wLlgja0
Lydia Church says
So again, instead of the muslim migrants being expected to conform to the laws of the land (which are reasonable human rights laws) to which they ‘immigrated for asylum,’ they expect the natural born citizens of France to conform to the sharia law norms of the invading infidel muslims. In other words, it’s ‘okay’ to overlook the fact that he physically and violently violated her person and sexually invaded her body without her consent, putting her at risk of sexual disease and pregnancy outside of wedlock, not to mention the emotional trauma (because sex is something special for people who love each other if they are civilized), just because he has ‘different customs and social norms’? Well he needs to get used to the laws of France, which used to protect human rights and punish violations thereof. They are just handing over Europe on a golden platter.
A term that fits them all (except the victims):
UNCIRCUMCISED PHILISTINES
(violent unrefined uncivilized brutes in plain speak)
It’s in the Bible and fits a lot of people well these days.
JOHN says
SAVAGES.
skycastle says
You are so right. And they don’t even know how to use toilets! And Leftist loons in America are reducing the penalty for crapping on sidewalks due to the Muslims here. They truly are barbarians.
mortimer says
If, according to the culture of Bangladesh, women are mere ‘sex objects’, then France should not admit any BANGLADESH citizens. They endanger the French public.
The court is saying that it is now a HUMAN RIGHT FOR MIGRANTS TO RAPE EUROPEAN WOMEN.
gravenimage says
+1
Kay says
+1
There should be protests.
Anne Smith says
France is signing up to the UN declaration or “Compact” on Migration in which it will be agreed that migration is a human right. Countries signing up will no longer be able to exclude any migrants on any grounds.
Theresa May is due to sign the UK up to it on Dec 10th, thus making a complete mockery of her professed Brexit “deal” to remove freedom of movement into Britain.
BugInAz says
Just where is the “outcry” from the “feminists? One would see NOTHING from them: SICK……
DStevenson says
Maybe someone should contact Linda Sarsour so she could organize a protest?
Terry Gain says
It doesn’t appear from the Voice Of Europe article that any rape occurred. It appears that he was found guilty of sexual assault and sentenced to 2 years. It appears that expert evidence was presented that the offender came from a culture that doesn’t respect women.
gravenimage says
So you think it’s not rape because it would not be prosecuted as such in Bangladesh?
Christian says
No he’s saying that the case specified that no rape occurred. It was sexual assault. Even Spencer’s article was careful to not say rape.
Jean says
Terry Gain.
The expression “sexual assault” is increasingly used in European media instead of the word “rape” – because it is more vague. Its definition includes rape, but may also refer to non-penetrative sexual actions such as fondling, forced kissing, etc.
In this way, the Köln atrocities on New Year’s eve were camouflaged. Many actual rapes occurred that night, but they were never discussed publicly because the vage expression “sexual assault” supplanted them.
It’s an effective trick to keep the people quiet a bit longer.
You know that in the public consciousness, if it is not named, it didn’t happen.
Rarely says
“Cultural differences” may be a valid defence when charged with hanging one’s laundry out of the window instead of on a clothes line. But for rape?? I don’t think so.
If a country accepts refugees or immigrants from countries where such basic values are in conflict with their laws that country would be well advised to have a program to educate those refugees/immigrants on what is and is not acceptable before accepting them in. Such program would also require them to agree to be governed by the country’s laws. It may not cut down on crime but will cut out some defences and smooth the way to deportation.
This should be totally unnecessary since other immigrant groups and the locals have always taken it for granted but times have definitely changed.
Tricia Stuercke says
Your Laundry example was exquisite! That’s EXACTLY how frivolously this was treated in this French case, & EVIL Defense Attorneys are pulling this unconscionable “It’s their CULTURE” crap EVERYWHERE now! Thank you for that perfect “picture”.
somehistory says
A group of Russian tourists came to Florida several years ago and stayed at hotels along the beach. Some of the women in the group, walked about in their underwear only, and washed the pieces out, hanging them from the balconies…. in full view of beachgoers.
This practice was unacceptable to the other tourists and guests and it had to be explained to the women. One of them said, “In Russia, it is our culture.” Then she went to the balcony and brought in her underwear. She said she would explain to her traveling companions.
If these creatures from moslim countries are going to be allowed to prowl the streets, they should be told beforehand that sex with young girls will land them in jail or back in their moslim countries. And if they force anyone…young or old…the same result should be expected.
abad says
When in Rome…
Walter Sieruk says
The different cultural norms ” line i is most awful and terrible excuse of Islamic wickedness if there ever was one . That lame excuse is the result of the irrational and inconsistent philosophy of which is called “Cultural Relativism.”
One of the many politically correct idea’s which is tragically alive and well in both America and the nations of Europe, as France ,is the philosophy of multiculturalism which many Westerners are infected by the worthless , sick and unrealistic philosophy also part of the PC madness that is called “Cultural Relativity.”
Which is the concept that all culture are equal because this C.R concept teaches the foolishness that all values derive their meaning within the specific social content. This folly of thinking leads, or misleads, many people to view every position as only “opinion” and that truth is only relevant to the person or society holding that view. In other words, discovering actual truth in impossible.
Such C.R is absurd, nonsensical and contradictory. For example, to say “finding the truth is impossible “Is a statement of contradiction. For in making that statement that is saying, in essence, “I have found the truth which is finding the truth is not possible.” It should be obvious that this “Cultural War’ needs to and should have a solidly based in and on truth and not by a worthless “war of opinions” With the Left Wing ,with PC mindset of CR everything those of the Right says is just “opinion.” on a subject. Of course, that’s not so with the left in which everything they claim is be true is “true.” What a flip –flop!
Two other examples of the falseness of C.R. with its teaching that everything is only “opinion.” First is in the elate 1970’s two guys said “There are so many different religions that no one can ever know the truth about religion.” They were really saying that statement so dogmatically that they were self-contradicting. For they were saying that they know the truth about religion that is not one can know the truth about religion. Second, a shallow man in the 1980’s said when asked the question “Why do you always small talk ? You don’t ever talk about a topic that might have some value, as politics? After all , all thing are related “ That shallow C.R man replied “There are so many different political ideas that finding the true one is unattainable and all thing are not related.” The wisdom-less man was saying that he obtained the truth which is the he can’t obtain the truth and who does can is really truthfully say that all thing are not related in he can’t find the truth. How foolish, an obvious contradiction. What is needed to counter this nonsense C.R./P.C. is the concept of “Absolutism.” Which a definition of this, with the scope of the topic, is “An absolute standard or principle .” In this cultural war it’s the Bible with its absolute standards and principles to stand firm against the extreme folly and foolishness of the CR and PC concepts. In conclusion, in this War of Ideas a firm foundation for truth may be found in the Bible and not the weak folly of CR. in which everything is “opinion.”
Angemon says
Where are the so-called “feminists” who often complain about “rape culture” when in face of an actual rape culture?
Jean says
Angemon.
Their silence is clear proof that feminism is nothing but a Marxist power grabbing scheme using women as its instruments, while not caring a fig about them. (Just like communists did with the working class.) Women would do best to steer clear of this scam with its fake male-female antagonism and demand true justice from the law.
There is a law against rape in France. That law must be upheld. Period.
Kay says
+1
IanB says
@@@ @@@@ @@@@@ … > > >
… tumbleweed response from feminists
Older Canadian says
This may sound “old fashioned” but I can assure you if it were boys and men being sexually assulted, raped, or forced into grooming gangs instead of girls and women, the cultural understanding would be quite different in western courts.
May I please remind everyone that in almost all western countries it has been only 90 years since women were regonized as people, and indeed had souls therefore allowed to vote, and about 50% of the male population looked upon females at that time as secondary. Please don’t deny this as I know, first hand, my grandmother, my mother and I can witness to it. Denying that at one time females in western countries were only looked upon a wee bit better than todays muslim women is denial of the truth, then no one wins, we all become losers. The feminist at the turn of the 20th century were true, what the hell the left has made out of the so called feminist at the turn of the 21st century is nothing but part of the political correct leftist scam, which supports this article.
gravenimage says
Your claim that no one in the West believed that women had souls in 1928 is, with all respect, quite mistaken.
Kay says
My family is far from perfect but your claim about women being seen as only a wee bit better than women in Muslim countries doesn’t fit my history.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Is this laying the groundwork for acquitting Tariq Ramadan?
mike says
You go or come into a different country and any westerner is expected and held to the laws. If you go into their country that’s the rules. What’s changed? we are afraid to upset the people. give them a rule book at the boarder, follow this our your out. What! the next time they break the laws. it will be the same excuse. The rules will be a fucken shocking when the natives revolt for there very own existence
Older Canadian says
We actually had a rule book for those who came into our country. The former conservative government initiated it. But when trudeau and his liberal gamg came into power they edited it and removed things like FGM, sexual assult, wife beating as they said it would offend the newcomers, as all that came into our country would not do such things. And I guess that for those who do, can claim ignorance of our cultural and laws and have a real field day.
gravenimage says
Yes–telling immigrants what is expected of them in a civilized nation *should* be obvious.
Foo says
Wait, the girl followed this guy into his house? What the hell did they expect?
gravenimage says
She was a kid, Blaming the victim for not realizing she would be raped is quite appalling.
Kay says
Quite true. Mohammedan view of women is so different from our own that it is quite unimaginable.
I had a similar experience in US 3 decades ago— luckily it didn’t end in rape but only because I had an American male friend who had traveled and when I called him for help, he realized what I was up against, came quickly and changed the outcome by his presence. My American friend later spoke to me very sternly about the Muslim view of women (less than sheep). It’s an unimaginable difference, and even now young women aren’t warned.
Merkexit says
What if MY cultural norm required that, as the father, I kill the rapist? Would that make it legal?
gravenimage says
France: Muslim migrant acquitted of rape of high-school girl because he has “different cultural norms
The young man also sexually assaulted another young girl. He was charged with both cases but acquitted of the rape.
………………………..
This is *utterly appalling*–why isn’t France and other Western nations telling immigrants that raping women is not part of *our* culture?
Will the just release him so he can rape *more* victims.
More:
In custody, the refugee says that the girl was consenting and the police closed the case.
………………………..
Why don’t the police listen to every perp who says that his victim wanted to be victimized?
Peter WF says
Poor girls.
The pollys need to “grow” their economy and appear as good economic managers. And therefore get re-elected and to get into power.
To this end one of the contributors to this economic growth is migration.
Migration at any cost to the constituents.
Where else can you find a source of people but from basket case countries?
These countries are basket cases, not because of the color of their skin, but because of their VALUES.
For the judge – find a way to fit in and grow your career – adjust your values.
Homo-sapiens – generally a self centered, tribal predator.
Carol Smith says
Committing sex crimes in Muslim countries is treated more severely than in the West, so that excuse is absurd. The perpetrator is trying to dupe the ignorant legal system.
Jean says
Carol Smith.
Your statement is flawed, since “sex crimes” in Islamic countries means something entirely different than it does in Christian countries. Sharia law does not include the concept of rape as we understand it. As a result, nearly all rapists in Islamic countries go free. There is practically no risk for them.
1 – If the victim reports the rape, she will herself be on trial for adultery.
2 – Even if she stays quiet (as most do), her family will, should they discover the rape, execute HER for ‘shaming’ them, and NOT go after the one who attacked her.
This case illustrates what happens to a rape victim seeking justice among Muslims in Somalia:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/dont-kill-me-she-screamed-then-they-stoned-her-to-death-1003462.html
Here is another case in Bangladesh itself – the rape victim is lashed to death:
http://www.siotw.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=168&cid=1
A third example from Pakistan:
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/pakistan-punjab-court-orders-rape-victim-to-be-killed-or-sold-off-for-adultery/
And a fourth from Egypt – ten year old girl tortured to death by her father:
http://www.siotw.org/news_english.item.1458/egyptian-father-tortures-10-year-old-daughter-to-death-a%80%93-because-she-was-raped.html
Note also that in three of the four examples, the victims are minors (10, 13 and 14). All of these children are killed for being raped. Note also what the articles tell us about the rapists! What happens to them?
I would like to see you document a rape case in an Islamic country where the rapist is actually punished, and the victim is not. Those are very rare indeed.
In Islam, the is no right to not be raped, but there is a right to rape. We are talking a whole different level of evil here.
That aside, I agree with you that the serial rapist in France is probably lying through his teeth if he claims not to know that rape is illegal in France. But it shouldn’t matter, since ignorance of the law is no no excuse for breaking it.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Libertine “liberal judges:” “Islamic culture sure is different – it ‘s a crime culture, so since it’s different, all crimes committed by muslims must be legal! Whee!”
BACK IN REALITY, THIS IS CALLED A FAILED SYLLOGISM.
Old Fat Bald Socially Inept Ron says
This is the institutionalized soft bigotry and blatant racism of lowered expectations that comes with the cultural diversity we are always told is our strength.
How long can any civilization stand with multiple tiers of racially and religiously based rules of law?
At least France has the advantage of not having the word UNITED in its name.
At some point the USA may need to consider changing its title to the DSA (Diverse States of America)
Peter WF says
“Diversity is strength” and similar terms and phrases are just the promotional marketing of the government migration policy. So often heard that it does not occur to people that it is marketing.
The pollys need to “grow” their economy and appear as good economic managers. And therefore get re-elected or to get into power.
To this end one of the contributors to this economic growth is migration.
Migration at any cost to the constituents. The pollys don’t care, they want power.
Where else can you find a source of people but from basket case countries?
These countries are basket cases, not because of the color of their skin, but because of their VALUES.
For the judge – find a way to fit in and grow your career – adjust your VALUES.
Homo-sapiens – generally a self centered, tribal predator. Look at how the pollys vote – as a tribe.
David Curtin says
This is Bull Crap , if you come into a country you follow the laws of the land and if you use an excuse like cultural differences you should be told that as an adult if you commit a crime in a western country like rape then you go to prison at the rate we are going the prison system will be full of Muslim rapists ,,
UNCLE VLADDI says
Rape is illegal in muslim countries, and is punishable by lapidation.
Even looking at a non-relative woman is subject to punishment.
It’s this “judge” to engages in criminally negligent ignorance.
DS_ROCKS! says
Not of infidels, you cuckold.