Nigel Farage said Friday that he would seek to oust Gerard Batten as UKIP leader for his “fixation with Tommy Robinson and discussing Islam.” Batten has just named Tommy Robinson his adviser on rape gangs and prison reform. And reform is needed: prisons have become a fertile source of conversions to Islam. In the United States, 40,000 prisoners convert to Islam each year.
There are several reasons for Islam’s appeal.
The first is the belief that Muslims receive better treatment from prison officials. Halal meals are rumored to be both tastier and more ample. Muslim prisoners are often allowed to to say the five daily prayers together, praying communally outside their cells, in rooms set aside for that purpose. Some prisons, such as Sing Sing, have their own mosque.
Second, Islam — a faith full of violence and aggression — can appeal to those with violent criminal backgrounds. The Qur’an itself does not merely permit, but commands violence against Infidels, in 109 Jihad verses. A prisoner who learns about Islam discovers that crimes of property against Infidels can be justified as a kind of proleptic Jizyah. Crimes of violence, including murder, against non-Muslims, can be justified as well by such Qur’anic verses as 2:190-194, 4:89, 8:12, 8:60, 9:5, 9:29, and 47:4. Rape of Infidel women can be justified because, in their immodest dress and bearing, they were “asking for it.” They can be treated with the same contempt as were the victims of the Rotherham grooming gangs. Prisoners who abused their wives discover Qur’an 4:34, which allows husbands to “beat’ disobedient wives. Pride in becoming Muslims is encouraged in 3:110 — “You are the best of peoples” — while contempt for Infidels is found in 98:6: “Unbelievers are the most vile of creatures.”
The versions of Islam most widely on offer in prisons are the most dangerous. In 2006, then-FBI director Robert Mueller described the Islamist conversion movement operating throughout U.S. prisons to a Senate committee. He said that prisons were a “fertile ground” for Islamic extremists, and that they targeted inmates for introduction especially to the militant Wahhabi and Salafist strains of Islam.
Third, Islam provides a complete regulation of life. It helps impose a sense of discipline on people who have experienced little in their lives. Their day is organized around such requirements as saying the five daily prayers, eating only food that is halal, observing rules about dress and facial hair, dutifully studying the Qur’an and discussing its verses with other Muslims. Muhammad is for Muslims the Perfect Man and Model of Conduct. This exemplary figure can be studied in the hadith, those stories about what Muhammad said and did. Such a model helps the convert to regulate his own life.
Fourth, Islam offers an immediate community of “brothers.” Muslims are solicitous of new converts, constantly offering them friendship, and the shared faith provides a strong bond. Prisons are violent places, with various gangs formed usually on racial, ethnic, or religious lines. While Muslims are only 1% of the American population, they are 15% of the prison population. The Muslims now constitute the strongest and toughest gang in most prisons in the U.S., the U.K., and France. Once you are inside prison, it makes sense, for the sake of your own safety, to join the “gang” of Islam. This is especially true at the maximum-security facilities that house the most dangerous prisoners, such as Sing Sing. That prison’s imam, Jon Young, has said that 80 percent of the Muslim inmates in Sing Sing had converted to Islam after entering prison. “Islam has discipline that they didn’t have before,” Mr. Young said. “They have a real sense of brotherhood. They protect each other.”
For those who know what the Qur’an teaches, such a rate of conversion is disturbing. But then what happens to these converts? If their conversion was primarily the result of a need for “brotherhood” and, even more, for physical security inside prison, do they leave Islam once they are released? Those converts, alas, appear to stick with their new faith. The brainwashing in prison is profound, with fellow inmates long-versed in the faith, as well as visiting Islamic clerics, providing answers to every question a convert might have, as to what to believe and how to behave. Such guidance covers every aspect of life, and provides a comforting certainty. Once in the faith, converts find it is psychologically hard to get out; they’ve already in deep. What’s more, there is the fear of what can happen to those who leave Islam. Muhammad’s command “He who changes his [Islamic] religion, kill him” (Sahih al-Bukhari 9:57) does not date.
The enormous appeal of Islam to prisoners is not hard to understand. First, it provides discipline for converts, as they strive to fulfill its rules (about the five daily prayers, halal food, fasting at Ramadan, Islamic dress, facial hair, and so on), provides brotherhood with fellow Muslims, who are taught to befriend one another, while shunning Christians and Jews as friends, and most important, offering physical security that comes with being part of the Muslim group in prison, where violence is endemic. These three — discipline, brotherhood, physical security — are making many prisons into centers of Muslim conversion.
Gerard Batten does not believe the Western world can afford to ignore this steady source of converts, some of whom — like Jose Padilla in the U.S. and several of the French terrorists — upon being freed engaged in acts of terror.
Halal Bacon says
Товарищ Nigel, you are drunk! Lay off the Vodka!
Angemon says
There’s a common saying in my country: if your kid’s unruly, send him to the army. Discipline does wonders for the stray sheep – a shame that such an self-evident truth is ignored in an era of constant coddling and participation trophies…
gravenimage says
Yes, but the “discipline” of Islam, alas, just produces “better” criminals.
Westman says
Yes, Hugh alludes to, but did not list, a 4th appeal of Islam to inmates: The extinguishing of guilt for committing crimes against unbelievers. This completely negates any possible rehabilitation of character and puts the inmate into a virtual mafia that opposes the very government that correctly incarcerated him.
Angemon says
Yes, but my point was that maybe some of those prison converts might have not ended up in prison to begin with if they had a little more discipline enforced on them sometime during their growing up.
dan christensen says
A better idea is to pay the respective homelands of the criminal muslims for incarceration in their respective homelands. Of course the condemned should not be allowed to return to the US.
Naturally the American society must try to survive without the criminal muslims cultural enrichment, no matter how unendurable it appears to be-:)
gravenimage says
Most of them would be lauded as heroes for committing violent Jihad against the Infidels, and soon released.
Mac-101 says
Then cut off the payment. I’m sure payin a thousand a month to incarcerate an illegal alien or criminal in their home country under THEIR conditions would be an effective deterrent!
mortimer says
Deprogramming Muslims is a technique of showing them four things 1) Islam is amoral and even most Muslims do not privately agree with that 2) Islam contains many absurdities and inconsistencies and a modern, reasoning person cannot believe such things as the earth being flat or setting in a muddy pool 3) Islam has not historical provenance and no archeology to corroborate it 4) Islam’s texts contain numerous errors of fact which are easy to find and which make impossible to consider them as being divinely-dictated texts… as the Koran and hadiths claim.
Here is an extremely effective deprogrammer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SntO8QNSVzs
FYI says
Christian prince is awesome.
This silly nonsense the god of islam allah has,that he can only be understood through ONE language is absolutely ludicrous when you consider that there is a Bible in EVERY KNOWN language.
The Biblical God{can be understood through ALL languages:there is no language problem:convenient}
the islamic god{can ONLY be understood through ONE language:language problem:inconvenient}
Who am I?
I speak ALL languages
I exist for ALL mankind
I do not discriminate against anyone
You can find out about Me in your OWN language
You can read about Me and pray to Me and speak to Me in your OWN language.
I am the actual Judeo-Christian Biblical God
I am the God of Moses and Jesus and they are My {Jewish} prophets
I am based on 2 chief commandments of Love
That’s why I am the Alpha and Omega.
Hi,I’m God.
i speak only ONE language
i only care for my moslems
i discriminate against Jews,Christians,Hindus,Sikhs,Buddhists:all non-muslims in fact
You can find out about me only through Arabic
You cannot read about me and pray to me and speak to me unless you know Arabic
i am the islamic koranic god allah
i am the god of the prophet muhammed,a mass murderer of Jews
i don’t subscribe to the 2 chief commandments{see koran 5 v51}
that’s why i can only manage 99 names
hi,i’m allah the “best of deceivers” k3:54
Elisha says
Bottom line:
The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth. – Psalm 145:18
Andy says
AMEN BROTHER
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
Deprogramming Muslims is a technique of showing them four things 1) Islam is amoral and even most Muslims do not privately agree with that
……………………….
Actually, pious Muslims consider things like the rape and slaughter of Infidels to be quite moral by the standards of the “Propet”.
More:
2) Islam contains many absurdities and inconsistencies and a modern, reasoning person cannot believe such things as the earth being flat or setting in a muddy pool 3) Islam has not historical provenance and no archeology to corroborate it 4) Islam’s texts contain numerous errors of fact which are easy to find and which make impossible to consider them as being divinely-dictated texts… as the Koran and hadiths claim.
……………………….
Islam famously rejects reason, rational argument, and the opinions of the “filthy Infidels”.
Mortimer, how you you continue to claim that Muslims are all deeply moral and adherents of strict rationality, given that everything in Islam belies this?
Jayell says
Based on all the evidence, Muslim-only prisons (for those muslim offenders who were actually born in the UK) is by far the best idea, in which case the prisons should be staffed by muslims (no bleeding-heart liberal-lefties) and run with the sort of savagery they’d expect in muslim countries – i.e., none of the soft-soap civility they get at present. BUT….there would have to be a very strong schedule of official monitoring and inspection to stop them taking the mick (which of course they’d do from day 1, given half a chance). Where they come from overseas they should have visas or UK nationality automatically revoked and sent back whence they came with a lifetime ban on their ever returning; it won’t matter what the receiving country chooses to do with them so long as they are premanently out of the UK and not costing the British taxpayer anything.
gravenimage says
If such a prison were run by Muslims, I think you’d find that the escape rate of prisoners would go *way* up…
Dave says
There was an old film called School for Scoundrels. This really sums up the situation. Where is the best place to find recruits for a murderous gang? Promise no moral responsibility for depraved acts? Appeal to the worst aspects of humanity? The answer is PRISON: FREE BOARD AND LODGING WHILE YOU TRAIN! I suspect they target those inmates who are serving short sentences, so they will set loose soon to carry out their duty to Islam
Hugh Fitzgerald says
The first poster above suggests that Nigel Farage may be drinking too much vodka. I don’t think that is his problem. I don’t think good old Soviet vodka — 2.87, 3.62, or 4.12 (rubles and kopecks–or much more expensive Western brands, explain his behavior.
As for his tergiversations, Farage should be reminded that there is a Russian saying, a line lifted not from the folk but from Alexander Griboyedov’s “Gore ot uma” (Woe From Wit) — ври, да знай же меру– which means “Lie, but know when to stop.” Farage needs to know when to stop.
Mention of Griboyedov brings us back to Islam. In 1829, when Griboyedov was the Russian ambassador to the Persian court, a eunuch and two Armenian girl sought refuge in the Russian Embassy from a mob of maddened Muslims. The Embassy was sealed, and Griboyedov, members of his staff, and Cossacks held off the mob for more than an hour but were finally overcome. Griboyedov, whose play is one of the greatest works in Russian literature, was shot dead by someone in that howling mob.. Later he was decapitated, and his head displayed on — as I dimly recall — on a meat vendor’s cart. His headless body was dragged through the streets, subject to every possible indignity. The two Armenian girls were taken alive by the mob. Their fate is unknown.
Andy says
Hope For The Best (Expect The Worst)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1OCE3fh2dg
gravenimage says
Thank you for that grim story, Hugh.
And I had to look up “tergiversations”. A useful word for the future, given the sad tenor of our times.
Carol the 1st says
I wonder if the holy mob did something “amoral” to them?
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
What a disappointment this article is! The headline promises, “Gerard Batten Suggests Muslim-Only Prisons”, but the article mentions no such statement by him, nor does it have any discussion of the pros and cons of kafir-Muslim segregation in prisons. On the other hand, this article is “(Part One)”, so maybe it’s just a teaser for meatier later articles.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Part Two contains, I think, what you are looking for.
gravenimage says
Thank you.
Tekyo Pantzov says
Those convicted of crimes inspired by their religion should automatically lose all their religious rights. When serving their sentence and afterward, they are barred from propagating or manifesting any religious or other belief. If they violate this provision, they are put in solitary during sentence, and once released they are fined or imprisoned again, and so forth.
gravenimage says
“Tekyo Pantzov”–read his username slowly to see the sick pun–is just randomly trolling here.
He was excusing “lonely men” for committing Jihad rape just yesterday:
Sexual drives of lonely men often lead them to commit rape, whether they are Muslims or not. Chemical castration should be considered as a last resort to prevent such outrages. Laws should be changed to permit its use in a humane manner.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/11/italy-muslim-migrant-violently-rapes-woman-one-month-after-being-granted-refugee-status#comment-2021399
Mac-101 says
Any violent rapist/pedophile with DNA evidence should be executed. Lack of female company is NO excuse. There are time tested means to take care of things by oneself!
Carol the 1st says
I think Tekyo makes sense. Why allow criminals to continue feeding on further Islamic “enrichment”? Is it wise to endlessly kowtow to a ‘Sacred Cow’ word like “religion”? Muslims who stick their heads above the parapet are honest in regard to their enmity – so why shouldn’t we be? Let them all throw a hissy fit.
Elisha says
And why does the West have a muslim problem? Because of Socialism, borne of the religion of secular humanism, as a result of the philosophical delusion of Darwinism. When will you people ever learn?
O simple ones, learn prudence;
O fools, learn sense. – Proverbs 8:5
Reap what you sow …
gravenimage says
Elisha has been spamming this all over the threads–that what really ails us is the Theory of Evolution.
Henry Mansfield says
I’ve been checking this site for a while, usually ignore the comments. I do recognize your name and how often you comment.
Do you sometimes get the idea that there are more Muslims and mentally ill commenting here than those with anti-jihad sentiment? I’m actually curious as to why ‘trolls’ seem to exert so much effort, I see it on even pop music articles.
Aussie Infidel says
Elisha, You are showing your prejudices by blaming the Muslim problem on people who don’t share your particular religious views.
I grew up within the Christian faith, but I’ve been an atheist/humanist for over 60 years. I don’t believe in the existence of any deity, simply because that would require a belief in supernatural entities and magic. and there is no evidence to support that whatsoever. Religion flies in the face of all scientific understanding. Religions are simply faiths because they are beliefs without proof. You quote the Bible to justify your Christian beliefs, in the same way the Muslims quote the Quran to justify Islam. But both are simply examples of the logical fallacy of ‘an appeal to authority’ – ie your respective holy books..
While many atheists are socialists, and support Muslim immigration, they do so largely out of ignorance. I came from the Left and understand how socialists think and what motivates them. Most of them have never read the Quran or the other Islamic scriptures, and are simply supporting the party line of equality, diversity, inclusiveness and multiculturalism. However, many atheists like me – and others on this site – are conservatives. What unites us and those of other religions, is our opposition to Islam – the greatest criminal ideology the world has ever known. And we had better start helping each other – or we will both lose. In democratic countries, we still have the right to believe in whatever we like – provided it is not harming others. You have your right to your particular beliefs, so let others have the right to theirs, without adverse comments – unless of course it’s about Islam!
The reason the West has a Muslim problem, is that – as Robert explains in his new book – Muslims have been waging jihad or holy war against non-Muslims for 1,400 years. And while many atheists who are also socialists, have taken their eyes off the ball and allowed Muslims to immigrate to the West, primarily, the fault lies with the lying, deceiving Muslims who are practising their doctrine of hijra or ‘migration in the cause of Allah’, and exploiting our laws and freedoms agianst us. If you want to blame anyone, blame the politicians who allow this to happen – and actively campaign against them as I do.
As for Darwinism, the theory of ‘evolution by natural selection’ has stood the test of time for over a hundred and fifty years. Darwin’s theory has withstood every attack against it by religion and science alike. If you have an issue with it, you’d better be prepared to for some detailed, searching debate. Otherwise you will simply become one of thousands of people who have attacked Darwin over the years – and lost. Most religious people don’t even know that Darwin was trained for the priesthood. But the massive amount of evidence he accumulated in the years he spent travelling around South America and the rest of the world, led him to the conclusion that the various species of life on Earth had evolved from more primitive life forms which existed in the past, but had now gone extinct. There are many aspects of evolution which we still do not fully understand, and maybe never will; but we understand much more now than Darwin did in his day. And that’s not surprising, since he put forward his theory a hundred years before Crick and Watson discovered DNA. Every advance we have made in biology since Darwin’s day has supported his theory, not discredited it. Darwin’s theory of evolution is the most thoroughly tested theory in the whole of science.
John says
moslems in moslem prisons, and all in Solitary 19 hours a day also. then they have no excuse for not preying. Solitary , less chance to organise more terrorism and after all, their were Jailed for Terrorism literally taking the Human Rights away for people so while in Prison, they forfeit their Human Rights even though they are nothing more than Barbaric Subhuman Savages anyway.
Henry Mansfield says
Obviously a prison environment is the perfect place for Muslims to look for converts. The basest instincts of men towards women and out-group males finds an outlet in the teachings of Islam.