Some German politicians are pushing for an expansion of Islam classes in public schools as a way to encourage the cultural integration of Muslim students and to promote an interpretation of Islam that highlights German values.
How will study of Islam that skips over so much of what the faith inculcates that discourages “cultural integration” by Muslim students in Germany help to ameliorate the situation? If the classes avoid all discussion of the more than 100 Jihad verses, the misogynistic verses, the antisemitic verses, the verses that tell Muslims not to take Christians and Jews as friends, “for they are friends only with each other,” the verse that describes Unbelievers as “the most vile of creatures,” that doesn’t make those verses disappear. These are the very verses that prevent integration of Muslim students, and they need to be held up for study and discussion. Pretending they don’t exist is not a winning strategy.
Shouldn’t the students learn that in Islam a man can have up to four wives, but a wife can have only one husband, and that a husband can divorce any of his wives merely by uttering the “triple-talaq”? Shouldn’t they learn that a husband can “beat” a disobedient wife? That daughters inherit half that of sons? That a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man, and the reason for that, Muhammad said in a famous hadith, is “due to the deficiency of her intelligence’?
“We need more religious education,” Kerstin Griese, a lawmaker from the governing center-left Social Democratic Party, wrote in an op-ed, “because it’s the only way to start a dialogue about our own traditions and values and to understand those of others.”
What kind of “dialogue” is possible with Muslims, for example, on the subject of Jews? The Qur’an, as Robert Spencer has noted, “describes the Jews as inveterately evil and bent on destroying the wellbeing of the Muslims. They are the strongest of all people in enmity toward the Muslims (5:82); as fabricating things and falsely ascribing them to Allah (2:79; 3:75, 3:181); claiming that Allah’s power is limited (5:64); loving to listen to lies (5:41); disobeying Allah and never observing his commands (5:13); disputing and quarreling (2:247); hiding the truth and misleading people (3:78); staging rebellion against the prophets and rejecting their guidance (2:55); being hypocritical (2:14, 2:44); giving preference to their own interests over the teachings of Muhammad (2:87); wishing evil for people and trying to mislead them (2:109); feeling pain when others are happy or fortunate (3:120); being arrogant about their being Allah’s beloved people (5:18); devouring people’s wealth by subterfuge (4:161); slandering the true religion and being cursed by Allah (4:46); killing the prophets (2:61); being merciless and heartless (2:74); never keeping their promises or fulfilling their words (2:100); being unrestrained in committing sins (5:79); being cowardly (59:13-14); being miserly (4:53); being transformed into apes and pigs for breaking the Sabbath (2:63-65; 5:59-60; 7:166); and more.” Muslims will have to reject these verses if they really want “to start a dialogue.”
Such advocates generally don’t envision non-Muslim students taking these classes to gain a better appreciation of Islam. While a few German school systems offer religion classes that include multiple faiths or ethics classes that touch on religion, religion as taught in public high schools and supported by Germany’s Basic Law is generally targeted at specific denominations.
Non-Muslim students could possibly benefit from classes on Islam, but only if they were to be offered a truthful, and not a sanitized view. It is clear that that is not being done today in German public schools, for Muslim pupils. Were teaching the real contents of Qur’an and hadith to be attempted, whether for Muslim or non-Muslim students, the uproar would be tremendous. So much effort is already being expended by politicians and the media to defend and promote Islam in Germany. Why would they now allow a truthful account of the faith to upset their propagandistic applecart? Private schools have more freedom from government watchdogs, and instruction that is islamocritical might actually be attempted in such places.
Kevin says
I have a friend who works in the school system / Idaho
She told me about this same parallel program being promoted
Islam is NOT a religion…. it is a military doctrine of conquest,slavery & death
Camouflaged as a “religion”
Enemy combatants are dressed in civilian clothes
That’s part of the genius of it’s tactics.
We do have immigrants we have invaders
English translation:
“Cultural Integration” = Conquest
mortimer says
Kevin, your proposition is contentious, but founded in fact. Over 51% of the Islamic primary source texts are POLITICAL in nature.
Moreover, Islam CATEGORIZE ITSELF, not as a ‘religion’ in the Western sense, but as a ‘DEEN’ … an Arabic concept whose meaning is closer in meaning to ‘GOVERNANCE’ or ‘JUDGEMENT’ or a ‘JURDICAL SYSTEM’.
The essence of Islam is a TOP-DOWN GOVERNMENTAL and LEGAL SYSTEM predicated by a THEOLOGICAL REVELATION TO A SINGLE MAN who happened to be illiterate.
Kesselman says
The globalist liberal utopian elitists will not acknowledge the very fact that Muslims are not integrable in a modern Western society. – Especially in Germany, this and the only viable solution would be impossible: to expel so many of the already “settled” Muslims as possible. But again, Germany cannot excel in this field due to her awful past.
mortimer says
Agree. Robert Spencer summarized this very well, namely, any teaching about Islam should not be ‘SANITIZED’.
FYI says
Today’s {difficult} topic for muslims in islamic studies class.
The Sixth commandment
{see Exodus 20:please consult the Bible..The commandments are not(conveniently for muslims) listed in the koran}
Write out 200 times..
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not kill..
Tomorrow’s topic :bearing false witness-why allah is ok with lying and deceit{Taqqiya,Tawriya,Taysin,Daurura,Muruna,Kitman}and Adultery:isn’t it still adultery when a woman is taken in captivity?Where,oh where is allah’s moral compass?Discuss
Coming soon….allah’s EPIC theology errors in his “perfect” koran,allah’s howlers,Perfect mo’s cross-dressing tips..is camel urine as recommended by the “prophet” really a health tonic?..islam the religion of peace hahah!{LOL}
Field practical:how to desecrate Hindu,Buddhist,Jain,Sikh,Jewish and Christian places of worship and get away with it by crying “racism” and “islamophobia”.
mortimer says
WRONG … Islam is a ‘SUPREMACIST’ and ‘APARTHEID’ doctrine … ISLAM DOES NOT INTEGRATE … *HATE* directed against the KAFIR is an ISLAMIC OBLIGATION …
ISLAM HAS A DOCTRINE OF HATE: ‘AL BARAA’ = Islamic Apartheid, Shunning
‘Baraa’ is HATRED towards Kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’…Al Bughoud or Al Mu’adaat (hatred) is the opposite of Al Muwalaat (love towards Muslims). Baraa is:
– To Hate
– To keep distance from
– To be enemy to
– To desert
– To decline to help
– To disrespect
– To put down
– Not to ally with
– Not to support
Allah ordered Muslims to have Baraa (to be cleansed) from the dirty kufaar and from kufr and shirk.
-Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed (Islamic faith) and act upon it, and yet not be HOSTILE against the mushrikeen (i.e. wrong worshippers). So anyone who isn’t HOSTILE against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
-“The doctrine of al Walaa wal Baraa is the REAL IMAGE for the actual practice of this faith.” – source “Al Walaa wal Baraa According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf”, by Sheikh Muhammad Saeed al Qatani, authoritative Saudi Sharia lawyer and imam at the Abu Bakr and Al Furqan Mosques in Mecca. – https://islamfuture.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/al-wala-wal-bara-according-to-the-aqeedah-of-the-salaf-parts-123/
-Shaykh Ahmad ibn ‘Atiq said:
“There isn’t in the Book of Allah the Exalted – after the issue concerning the obligation of tawheed and the forbiddance of its opposite (kufr=wrong belief)- any issue which has as so many proofs, nor so clearly explained, than the issue of al-walaa’ and al-baraa’.” (W-B is ‘Islamic apartheid’)
– Dr. Muhammad Saeed Al-Qahtaani said: “Thus, it is clear that Al-Wala’ Wal-Bara calls on Muslims to “love” their fellow Muslims and hate the non-Muslim (or Kafir).”
– from Sufi scholar Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624): “The honour of Islam lies in INSULTING kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to HUMILIATE them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain TERRIFIED and TREMBLING. It is intended to hold them under CONTEMPT and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”
– from ibn Taymiyya, “Book of Emaan”: “… true believers show ANIMOSITY and HATRED towards disbelievers and NEVER support them.”
– from Umar Sulayman ‘Abd-Allaah al-Ashqar, “Belief in Allah”: “The Muslim should regard the Kuffaar as ENEMIES and HATE them because of their kufr (wrong belief), just as he hates their kufr (disbelief) itself.”
– from [Chap.iv] “The Islaamic Concept of al-Walaa’ wal-Baraa’” by Khalid El-Gharib: “… to SHOW ENMITY to those who show enmity to Allaah and His Messenger”.
(Note: Muslims are to visibly demonstrate their ENMITY or HATRED towards the kufaar)
– from a lecture given by Sheikh Abdullah al-Faisal (H.A.): “The implication of al-Baraa is that one HATES for the sake of Allah (SWT)…Al-Baraa means to recognize who your enemies are and to HATE them and EXTERMINATE them in their Endeavour to get rid of your Deen, al-Islam…Al-Baraa is to HATE the people who propagate Baatil (falsehood)—the Muslim should HATE them and (at least desire to) KILL them when the time comes.”
(Note: not ‘if the time comes’, but ‘WHEN the time comes.)
– “Killing a Kafir who is fighting you is OK. Killing a Kafir for any reason (i.e. criticism of Islam), you can say, it is OK – even if there is NO REASON for it. You can poison, ambush and kill non-believers. You must have a stand with your heart, with your tongue, with your money, with your hand, with your sword, with your Kalashnikov. Don’t ask shall I do this, just do it.”Abu Hamza al-Masri (Egyptian born British Cleric)
– “As a Muslim, I must have hatred for anything non-Islam” – Anjem Choudary.
– “The matter is clear on this issue. It is obligatory to disassociate and absolve oneself from the disbelievers and their religion. The issue of al-Walaa wal-Baraa is from among the greatest obligations in Islaam.” (Shaykh Salih Al-Fawzan, 2005, p. 308)
– Obligation to Hate Kufaar: “With regard to matters of love and hate in the heart, the Muslims’ attitude towards non-Muslims is based on the latter’s attitude towards Allaah. If they worship Allaah and do not associate anything in worship with Him, then they love them. If they associate others in worship with Him, or disbelieve in Him, or worship others alongside Him, or are hostile towards His religion and hate the truth, then it is obligatory to hate them in our hearts.” – Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
The European says
That’s bogus. Just another attempt at hoodwinking the German people. Religious education is mostly provided by Ditib. Contracts with the German state stipulate that this organisation which advocates Turkish nationalism a la Erdogan and promotes supremacist Islam is allowed to run coranic schools and to provide religious education in German schools. How this Islamic organisation is to propagate a version of Islam that highlights German values, is a conundrum to me.
Terry Gain says
What kind of dialogue is possible with Muslims? Good question. Basically, as Asia Bibi learned, it’s submit or else.
Yesterday I went on a site from Australia which was responding to the latest terrorist attack there. A Middle Eastern man, who is presumably an ex-Muslim had the mic in his hand at the protest. He described Muhammad as a terrorist. I commented “good for you”. A Muslim replied “how dare you”. I referred him to Bukhari 4.52.220.
The only way to protect our freedoms and preserve our way of life is to ban further Muslim immigration. We can dress it up by imposing a temporary ban until the Jihad and supremacist verses are considered no longer operational. That of course will never happen.
If we do not ban further Muslim immigration we will be eventually suffer the same fare as Western Europe.
James Lincoln says
Terry Gain,
You are correct, the United States should ban all further Muslim immigration.
We should approach this issue in the same way as Poland and Hungary.
We should also deport all Muslims that we can legally deport. And close any mosque that incites violence against unbelievers, violates the U.S. Constitution, or violates any federal / state laws.
If we do not do this, we will follow the same fate as Western Europe.
mortimer says
ISLAM IS ARAB NAZISM with MOHAMMED AS *DER FUEHRER*.
Why would Germany REINTRODUCE NAZISM ???
nicholas tesdorf says
How about an Islamic Studies Course in public schools devoted entirely to the over 100 Jihad verses about misogyny, antisemitic verses, anti-Christian and Jewish verses that tell Muslims what they must do. That would give German kiddies a really clear idea about the force they are dealing with.
mortimer says
Kerstin Griese, doesn’t grasp that Islamists want to CREATE THE CURRICULUM and they will let off bombs if anything in the curriculum displeases them.
gravenimage says
Hugh Fitzgerald: Islam Classes In Germany (Part Four)
Some German politicians are pushing for an expansion of Islam classes in public schools as a way to encourage the cultural integration of Muslim students and to promote an interpretation of Islam that highlights German values.
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Good luck with that, since there is nothing in Islam that is compatible with German values.
This is wishful thinking at best, and just an opportunity for Muslims to preach Jihad and Shari’ah on the German taxpayer’s dime at worst.
infidel says
Another way of doing Urself in… The madness of self destruction never seems to end in Germany…
infidel says
A new movie is coming up on the blocks in India’s DHIMMI Bollywood. In the background of the massive floods of 2013 at the Hindu holiest of the holy Himalayan hill town of Kedarnath, U have a Muslim porter who rescues a Hindu girl..And as usual, Hindus are shown as villains…and the Muslim the hero…In reality, there is not a single Muslim who works as a porter in that town and the Indian Army was the won who carried out the actual rescue efforts. That being said, can DHIMMI Bollywood make a movie where a Hindu hero rescues a Muslim girl at Mecca and call the film Mecca?? U all know what will happen then!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWD2eQOQ3U8
gravenimage says
More whitewash of Islam.
And yes–I’m sure all the porters there are “filthy Infidels”.
Butch says
A film like the one you are suggesting couldn’t be made in the first place. “Unclean” Non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca.