The Toronto Sun usually has some semblance of honesty regarding Islam-related issues, or at least more than is usually found in the establishment media, but not in this case. Establishment media treatments of female genital mutilation routinely insist that it has nothing to do with Islam, but actually FGM is mandated in Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75
“Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.’” — Abu Dawud 41:5251
That hadith is classified as weak, but this one is classified as sahih (reliable): “Aishah narrated: ‘When the circumcised meets the circumcised, then indeed Ghusl is required. Myself and Allah’s Messenger did that, so we performed Ghusl.’” — Jami` at-Tirmidhi 108
If Muhammad had the genitals of his favorite wife, Aisha, mutilated, that is a strong endorsement of the practice from the man who is an “excellent example” (Qur’an 33:21) for Muslims.
Why does it matter whether or not FGM is Islamic? Because the practice will never be eradicated if its root causes are not confronted. Reyhana Patel and others can tell Muslims about the health problems it causes all day long, but as long as those Muslims continue to believe that Allah and Muhammad want it done, for some that will override all other considerations.
“PATEL: Don’t use Islam as excuse to carry out horrors of female genital mutilation,” by Reyhana Patel, Toronto Sun, November 24, 2018:
Earlier this week, a federal judge in the United States dismissed charges against two doctors and six others involved in the genital mutilation of nine girls at a suburban Detroit clinic.
While many are disappointed the case had to be dropped because of state-federal complications, what outraged me the most was that the accused in this case claimed female genital mutilation (FGM) was a ‘religious’ act and that it should, therefore, be above the law.
As a young Muslim woman, I am tired of hearing about medieval and regressive social behaviour that supposedly has some kind of religious justification; especially when it concerns my faith of Islam.
Muslim women like me are caught between Islamophobes who condemn Islam and every Muslim for anything that moves – and our own medieval zealots who use Islam to justify practices like FGM, forced marriages and domestic violence.
It should be clear to all that FGM has absolutely no basis in any of the Abrahamic religions – and there is no mention of it in the Quran. In fact, we find quite the opposite: That the Quran strongly condemns ‘mutilating the fair creation of God’ as being something inspired by the Devil himself.
But, despite this clear directive, FGM continues to persist in many countries around the world.
The UN estimates that around three million girls are mutilated every year – with a sizable portion of these being Muslim women and girls; (the others being mostly Christian or animist communities).
This is because some communities and individuals prefer to ignore their own revealed book and follow cultural dogmas disguised as religion instead.
These spurious ‘religious’ arguments are also buttressed by dozens of other oppressive reasons, as to why a community will persist with the abomination of FGM – such as poverty, patriarchy and culture. But the supposed religious justifications may, in fact, be the bedrock upon which all the other causes depend….
That’s why in my work with the international NGO, Islamic Relief Canada – we feel it is our duty to counter these cultural and pseudo-religious justifications….
From our research here in Canada, we know that FGM is carried out in both Muslim and non-Muslim communities, and we have anecdotal evidence that children are being taken abroad and even across the border to the U.S. to be forcibly subjected to FGM procedures….
But we also recognize that more needs to be done to understand the extent and context of the problem in Canada, so that organizations like ours can work alongside other agencies and communities to build awareness of the extremely harmful effects of this totally anti-Islamic practice.
Ewanda says
My goodness!! Give this lady a swig of Kool-Aid antidote!!
What we need is to get Usama Dakdok up here to put this brain-washed Muslima straight as to the unchangeable Doctrine of her Islamic system, before she is declared an apostate and discovers to her dismay that she has nowhere to flee to. There are many apologists who could inform her but Usama has a certain forcefulness with his no nonsense approach. Besides, It is time that a push is made to get as many experts up to Canada as are touring America and the rest of the world. We will be of the losers.
We only have through next year before a major federal election is scheduled …namely October 21, 2019. Unfortunately, another party has formed to divide the Conservative vote from Andrew Scheer so there is the specter of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberals coming up the middle for another 4 years and Canada will be done for by any extension of his reign.
It’s hard to believe that someone who supposedly is a representative of an Islamic organization could be so ignorant of the way women are viewed by her faith but then again, maybe she is comfortable to be a chattel. At least she should find out how her life will change under the Sharia she is helping propagate. Reyhana Patel should be grateful that she is in Canada. If she said those things in Saudi Arabia don’t forget to pack her prison burka.
Bill Quest says
FGM is growing in popularity in Indonesia, the most populous Islamic state, it’s never been a socio-cultural phenomena there , Islam is the conduit , that cannot be denied….as Islamic fundamentalism raises its ugly head in Indonesia …..
An inconvenient fact Reyhana Patel cannot easily sweep under her prayer rug……
Carol the 1st says
Canada proposes to sign the Global Compact on Immigration when the UN meets in Marrakesh on DECEMBER 10–11/18. Countries who import the Third World will become the Third World wherein multinational companies dictate the rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=251&v=lPaocISaHOk
Please sign the PETITION below from Act for Canada:
We, the undersigned Canadians, call upon the Government of Canada to withdraw from the Global Compact For Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration.
https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-1906
and from Dr. Turley:
Rejection of the UN Migration Pact is Increasing Throughout the World!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYGgWpyQ40k
Andy says
UN UNITED NUT-JOBS Global Migrant Pact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_MsdbUgjCw
Andy says
Bill C-24: Trudeau Says Terrorists Shouldn’t Be Stripped Of Citizenship In Leaked Audio
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/09/28/bill-c-24-trudeau-audio-conservatives_n_8206798.html
mortimer says
THIS FROM A REGISTERED NURSE ON FGM :
Donning my nurse’s cap for the moment I would like to tell all here the sequellae of FGM:
The clitoris is carved off with an unsterilized knife. Because the clitoris is located so close to the urinary meatus (opening), that area too is affected.
The mutilated area is ‘sewn up’ with over-large dirty needles (not much smaller than knitting needles). Sterility is of course not observed. A crude hole is ‘fashioned’, smaller than the normal vaginal/meatal opening; only big enough to exit menstrual blood and urine.
The agony of this induces shock at times. If shock is not reversed, death follows.
But let’s be optimistic. Let’s say this poor child does not die of shock. Let’s say she becomes septic, aka massive septicemia. Then she still dies, in agony. Septicemia takes 3 or 4 days to kill: esp. when the pt. is young-and otherwise healthy. Organ by organ, the body shuts down.
I mean AGONY. For it goes w/o saying, that the barbarians who engage is such atrocities, have no notion of antibiotics or ‘post-op’ care.
And here is what those who live, ‘recover’ to: For the rest of her life, she is prone to chronic UTI’s (urinary tract infections). This occurs because the fragile mucosa (mucous membranes) guarding the meatus NEVER regenerate. And the infection present at the meatus ascends. Where our urine exits the body is, so to say, the bottom of our urinary system. Our kidneys are the top. Because there is constant infection at the bottom, the ureters which ascend from the meatus carry infection to the kidneys. So the child’s kidneys begin to fail…
And we haven’t even gotten to sex yet, have we?
Because that is when the real horror begins. The vagina is designed, not only to deliver a baby; but to admit a penis. Almighty God in His creation of man and woman has seen to it that we are ‘fearfully and wonderfully made’. But His design is butchered in FGM, and ever after sexual intercourse for these poor young women is agonizing. I do not exaggerate. The vaginal lubrication which normally attends sexual arousal, DOES NOT OCCUR. That is because the clitoris normally triggers this.
But there is no clitoris, so there is no arousal/lubrication. So every time a young woman (wait-these are muslims. What am I thinking. It could just as well be a 9 year old child) ‘has sex’, she tears. Vaginally. In time, there is permanent scarification. Which only adds to her agony…
Every woman here knows the pain of a UTI. In like manner we know the pain of vaginal tearing.
But we are western women, so our husbands love us. The last thing they want to do is hurt us. And since they are real men, not sadistic perverts, they desire our pleasure because-again due to God’s perfect plan-our pleasure makes possible their own.
But muslim ‘men’ are not men. Their only concern is their own ‘pleasure’. So every night that comes they rape and tear and assault their ‘wives’.
I heard Trump’s speech today on foreign policy. Then I read of the thousands of cases, now here in our country, of FGM. And I cried out to God, ‘How long oh Lord? How long before we may blot out these monsters in our midst?’
– Kathy Brown, RN
gravenimage says
*Fine post*, Mortimer, Thank you for quoting Nurse Kathy Brown.
Terry Gain says
“It should be clear to all that FGM has absolutely no basis in any of the Abrahamic religions – and there is no mention of it in the Quran. In fact, we find quite the opposite: That the Quran strongly condemns ‘mutilating the fair creation of God’ as being something inspired by the Devil himself”
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How unfortunate that she couldn’t remember the Sura that does so. /s
No lie in the service of Islam is too big.
NigelGFF says
“…FGM has absolutely no basis in any of the Abrahamic religions…”
I’m sure that that is absolutely correct. The perpetuated lie is this ‘Abrahamic’ status of Islam.
If you’re going to lie then lie big.
gravenimage says
The Hadith are full of approving references to FGM, and all four of the orthodox schools of Sunni Islam either require it or consider it the best thing for the husband.
JIMA says
I feel very sad for her. She is honestly a kind person, I believe, and sincerely believes what she is saying, but she is misled.She is deceived. If she simply looked up and further read into what she was quoting with “That the Quran strongly condemns ‘mutilating the fair creation of God’ as being something inspired by the Devil himself.”, she would in fact be referencing Verse (4:119) of the koran. You can read the translations and meanings here.
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=119
Essentially, the verse is referring to some pagans cutting the ears of camels when they had given some sort of numerical series of births. The meaning taken from this is not to alter allah’s creation for a purpose other than what allah intended. Read the interpretation at the bottom here.
http://islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=4&verse=117&to=119
This means that women who work instead of tending the home, people who are gay, people who use birth control, etc. All of them are equally condemned by allah for not acting according to allah’s intended purpose. It has nothing to do with being against the mutilation of female genitalia as prescribed in further verses of Islamic literature.
JIMA says
PS – I took the verse to mean “women who work instead of tending the home”, by the interpretation of the islamic studies website when they state “diverting females from the functions entrusted to them by nature and driving them to perform the functions for which men were created” is what the verse is alluding too.
gravenimage says
JIMA, I’m afraid she is *not* a kind person, She has blamed Infidels for Jihad, and works for a “charity” with ties to terrorism.
Ewanda says
Another of her beliefs that must be refuted at every opportunity and shame on THE SUN for printing it, is saying that there are Christian sects that do FGM. Absolutely no Christian denomination practices or approves of Female Genital Mutilation and does any other mainstream religion approve of it and practice it other than Islam? Hardly!
This is an opportunity for ” Letters to the Editor” to be deluged with objections and solid information about what the Ideology is all about.
gravenimage says
You are right that there are no Christian denominations that call for FGM. There are, sadly, a few Christians in Africa who practice it for “cultural” reasons. The same is true of some animists. But this groups is smaller all the time, and they are following no religious mandate.
revereridesagain says
Ms. Patel knows damn well Islam advocates this practice. She just doesn’t want to confront its evil teachings, because being Muslim “comforts” her or some such nonsense. If she must have an Imaginary Friend in the Sky, in all decency she should at least choose a more benevolent one who does not require little girls to be hacked up.
Thank you to Mortimer (and Ms. Brown) for providing the specifics of the ugly reality of this Muslim “holy” practice. (So true that there may be Muslim males but there are no Muslim MEN!) I will gladly repeat them to anyone I hear trying to make excuses for this savagery and preferring to avert their eyes and close their ears. (I have heard that some of our best hospitals secretly maintain wards to alleviate, as best they can, the damage of FGM. Why do they not speak out?!?)
Re JIMA’s information, teaching that a woman who uses birth control or works outside the home is somehow “mutilating the fair creation of” their god is just more evidence of the subjugation of women that characterizes Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr spencer, this lie that FGM is mandatory in Islam cannot be bought no matter how you try.we have been educating you that it is male circumcision removing that bad looking foreskin ,which is mandatory.Even those who accepted that weak Hadith permitting Fgm among Muslim jurists said it is permissible provided it has not inflicted injury to the vagina as the Hadith warned. The majority of muslim jurists ,especially modern, opined that it should not be allowed because it could reduce sex motivation and enjoyment on the part of a woman and the Quran says both sex partners (husband and wife) should derive maximum pleasure from sexual activity as a blessing from Allah.
so, Mr spencer is trying to impose on muslims to accept his ignorant interpretation of Islamic sources.He is just wasting his time.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr spencer, this lie that FGM is mandatory in Islam cannot be bought no matter how you try.
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Of the four orthodox schools of Sunni Islam, in the Shafi’i school it is obligatory (wājib), and in the Maliki, Hanafi and Hanbali schools it is regarded as “noble” (makrama” and good for the husband. No school of Muslim jurisprudence condemns it.
This is also very strange; until recently, Ibrahim itace muhammed was *for* FGM, claiming–as so many Muslims do–that women who didn’t have their clitorises cut out were prostitutes.
I guess he realized how bad FGM was for the reputation of Islam, and decided on a bit of Taqiyya.
More:
we have been educating you that it is male circumcision removing that bad looking foreskin ,which is mandatory.
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What is this “we”? Ibrahim itace muhammed has made the bizarre claim before that foreskins are huge and “hard” and cause women agony. This sounds like projection; certainly, it has nothing to do with human anatomy.
More:
Even those who accepted that weak Hadith permitting Fgm among Muslim jurists said it is permissible provided it has not inflicted injury to the vagina as the Hadith warned. The majority of muslim jurists ,especially modern, opined that it should not be allowed because it could reduce sex motivation and enjoyment on the part of a woman and the Quran says both sex partners (husband and wife) should derive maximum pleasure from sexual activity as a blessing from Allah.
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What a load of crap–the *whole purpose* of FGM is to destroy a woman’s ability to enjoy sex.
And *nowhere* does the Qur’an say that women are supposed to enjoy sex.
The Qur’an, in fact, is full of references to the rape of captives and sex slaves–is Ibrahim itace muhammed now claiming that the purpose of rape is to give the victims pleasure? *Ugh*.
More:
so, Mr spencer is trying to impose on muslims to accept his ignorant interpretation of Islamic sources.He is just wasting his time.
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Is that so? Can Ibrahim itace muhammed explain why rates of FGM are 95% in Egypt and virtually 100% in Somalia–and rife over most of Africa? Can he explain why this is a mushrooming problem in the West? Is it all the dire influence of Robert Spencer–who is *opposed* to this horror? What tripe.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Paul J, It was a superior miracle from Allah that stopped wicked crusaders acting from the dictates of your pagan book of genocide and ethnic and ethnic cleansing, the mithraist Bible, from wiping out all Muslims then and many subsequent attempts failed. Allah says “kullama auqadu naran lilharbi atfaaha Allah (whenever infidels raise fire of war to exterminate muslims, Allah will put it off).So, all your evil designs against muslims inspired by the satan you call Holy Spirit will fail.
gravenimage says
The is no such Qur’anic verse that reads “whenever infidels raise fire of war to exterminate muslims, Allah will put it off”. I can’t find any such quotation from the Hadith or Sira, either.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Paul J, it was a superior miracle from Allah that stopped wicked crusaders acting from the dictates of your book of genocide and ethnic cleansing, the mithraist pagan Bible inspired by the satan, from wiping out all Muslims then and subsequent attempts alsoy failed.so,all your evil designs against muslims will fail. wicked scums of evils!!
AleX says
@ibe itace
The angry Nigerian mohamedan is at it again!
His fantasies revolve around western women and their ‘mithraistic’ body odors.
He is unaccomplished and rages on banging his head on the floor while raising his ar$e in the air for allah.
As a mozzie, he knows his chances to have a woman are slim to unexisting (except by force).
This is where pislam and sexual fantasies take form in an under developed muzloid mind.
gravenimage says
More spamming.
Terry Gain says
http://www.lastprophet.info/islamic-ruling-on-female-circumcision
This article has given me a different perspective. The ruling is that circumcision is beneficial for men but not for women and it is therefore not obligatory.
gravenimage says
Terry, this Mohammedan does not actually condemn FGM at all.
First, he objects to the idea that it is a given that Muslims should oppose FGM:
“I said at the beginning of my lecture in the Conference on FGM in Cairo: “I object to two things in this conference: First, is the title of the conference, the “International Conference of Scholars on the Prohibition of FGM,” which seems to have already adopted an opinion; and if this is the case, then what is the point of this research and presentations? The title should have been a bit more unbiased.” And he is enraged that German Infidels have come out against FGM.
The rest is pretty much weasel words. He comes from a country where 95% of women are mutilated, yet he does not come out and say that Islam condemns FGM–because this is not possible.
Terry Gain says
GI
Here is the ruling.
” There is no doubt that there is a big difference in this particular case, between males and females; circumcision is beneficial for the male, but it is harmful for the female.
Further, the fundamental principle is to prohibit the alteration of God’s creation, with the exception of male circumcision. Apart from this, everything else to be left in its original state. Fundamentalist view must be taken into account.”
I’m not suggesting that that despicable practice is not widespread among Muslims and the claim that it is practiced by people of other religions is largely false. But it seems that there is nothing in the Koran that either specifically prescribes it or forbids it and the hadiths that refer to it are considered weak. The ruling seems to me quite clear. Why is it being ignored?
FGM is a despicable battery of a child which is done in order to deprive a woman of one of God’s great gifts. It is sick and whether it done in accordance with the Islamic “religion” or not it should be vigorously prosecuted and punished.
gravenimage says
Terry, given everything else in this article, I’m not sure I would make much of this.
Moreover, it is not Infidels who are ignoring this, but *Muslims*. Egypt itself has a FGM rate of 95%.
If this were really apt to stop FGM, I would be *thrilled* to see it–but I’m skeptical.
Just a few years ago, Al Azhar scholars argued *for* mutilating children:
“EGYPT: Al-Azhar University Scholars Argue over the Legitimacy of Female Circumcision Practiced in Egypt on Al-Arabiya TV”
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/gonews.php?subaction=showfull&id=1173011408&archive=&start_from
That they have all changed their minds in the past few years seems very unlikely to me.
And Egypt has “prohibited” FGM since 1959, often with some vague religious backing–yet it is almost universal there, and is never to my knowledge prosecuted. I think these “condemnations” are more for consumption in the West than for actual Muslims.
Here’s more of this kabuki theater, from 2006:
http://www.dar-alifta.org/Foreign/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=125&text=circumcision
gravenimage says
Islamic Relief Canada PR chief falsely claims in Toronto Sun that female genital mutilation is condemned by Islam
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The big lies just don’t get much bigger than this.
But this isn’t the first Taqiyya from this Muslimah:
“Reyhana Patel: Don’t believe the smears. Here’s what Islamic Relief Canada is really all about”
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/reyhana-patel-dont-believe-the-smears-heres-what-islamic-relief-canada-is-really-all-about
Here’s the truth:
“Islamic Relief Fails a Whitewash”
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10600/islamic-relief-whitewash
gravenimage says
And here she is, blaming the victims for violent Jihad:
“Engagement And Inclusiveness Are Key In Fighting Extremism”
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/islamic-relief-canada/inclusiveness-fighting-extremism_b_9548878.html
sidney penny says
“It should be clear to all that FGM has absolutely no basis in any of the Abrahamic religions – and there is no mention of it in the Quran. ”
Is Patel implying that it has some basis in non-Abrahamic religions?
If she is, then she is wrong.and
Just because it is not in the Koran does not mean it is not Islamic.FGM is mandated in Islamic law and Islamic jurisprudence.
Terry Gain says
Sidney Penny
I hate Islam and regard it as the scourge of the earth, but one of the most important rules in my life is to tell the truth. Honestly is the best policy. I have provided a ruling from 2011 by Yusuf Al Qaradawi, head of the International Union of Muslim Scholars that contradicts what you say. It wouid be appreciated therefore if you cite your sources.
Make it clear to all.
gravenimage says
Terry, I was *sure* that I had seen Yusuf Al Qaradawi *condone* FGM, and I was right:
“Islamic Ruling on Female Circumcision”
https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=6646
“Actually, this is a controversial issue among jurists and even among doctors. It has sparked off fierce debate in Egypt whereby scholars and doctors are split into proponents and opponents.
“However, the most moderate opinion and the most likely one to be correct is in favor of practicing circumcision in the moderate Islamic way indicated in some of the Prophet’s hadiths – even though such hadiths are not confirmed to be authentic. It is reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said to a midwife: ‘Reduce the size of the clitoris but do not exceed the limit, for that is better for her health and is preferred by husbands”. The hadith indicates that circumcision is better for a woman’s health and it enhances her conjugal relation with her husband. It’s noteworthy that the Prophet’s saying ‘do not exceed the limit’ means do not totally remove the clitoris.
“Actually, Muslim countries differ over the issue of female circumcision; some countries sanction it whereas others do not. Anyhow, it is not obligatory, whoever finds it serving the interest of his daughters should do it, and I personally support this under the current circumstances in the modern world. But whoever chooses not to do it is not considered to have committed a sin for it is mainly meant to dignify women as held by scholars.”
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As you can see, this–which is intended for Muslims to read–is *very* different from what he said to the Infidels in the article you cited above.
This is quite common, where Muslims tell the Kuffar one thing and their fellow Muslims something else again.
Grace says
It should come as no surprise that media who were once considered to be more truthful and somewhat conservative, such as the Toronto Sun, would start printing dishonest articles such as this, since they have been bought off by Justin Trudeau’s liberal “government” for $595,000,000. We cannot expect any media in Canada to be honest anymore.
alex Reid says
F*ckin’ Liar!! It’s all through the hadiths. On youtube.com caught another one. This jihad business – a Muslim man carrying out jihad gets killed. He goes to heaven & gets his 72virgins, daily. This female Muslim Apologist, on a New York City TV Station says, “No. It’s been mistranslated, (another lying tactic), it means in fact he gets 72 RAISINS!!!” WTF! You can’t make this stuff up.
It is way beyond time now that the non-Muslim World really does react & deal with these people & the Muslim Majority Countries. Gloves are off & this Desert Nazi Dogma is eradicated.
gravenimage says
Yes, because we all know how “raisins” are modest and large breasted…
unbeliever1 says
Judging by the comments on the Sun’s website, she has taken a beating.