Establishment media treatments of female genital mutilation routinely insist that it is an East African cultural practice and has nothing to do with Islam, but actually FGM is mandated in Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75
“Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.’” — Abu Dawud 41:5251
That hadith is classified as weak, but this one is classified as sahih (reliable): “Aishah narrated: ‘When the circumcised meets the circumcised, then indeed Ghusl is required. Myself and Allah’s Messenger did that, so we performed Ghusl.’” — Jami` at-Tirmidhi 108
If Muhammad had the genitals of his favorite wife, Aisha, mutilated, that is a strong endorsement of the practice from the man who is an “excellent example” (Qur’an 33:21) for Muslims.
“Female circumcision: Culture and religion in Malaysia see millions of girls undergo cut,” Malaysia Today, November 13, 2018 (thanks to S.):
(ABC) – Fa Abdul was nine years old when she found out she had been circumcised when she was just a baby.
A 2012 study found 93 per cent of Muslim women in Malaysia have been circumcised
Female circumcision is not prescribed in the Koran or Hadiths, women’s advocates say
One mother says Malaysia’s culture and society “expected us to do it”She was among the millions of girls across Malaysia whose families believe that female circumcision protects young girls from committing “sins”.
“Many Muslims in Malaysia will tell you that circumcision will protect girls from growing up and becoming wild,” Ms Abdul said….
The UN’s Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, held in Switzerland, slammed the country over continuing to practice female circumcision, or female genital mutilation….
Ms Abdul — who is a journalist and works at online news publication Malaysiakini — gave birth to her first child, a girl, at the age of 20.
Due to religious and family pressure, her daughter was subjected to female circumcision.
“The doctor pulled away the labia and used something that looked like a needle to slit the clitoral hood,” she said.
“A [flow] of blood came out and then my daughter started crying.”
A decade later, Ms Abdul’s viewpoint on female circumcision changed dramatically, after she found out that there was no medical benefit and that it was simply a religious ordain.
“We were already born into the culture and that society expected us to do it,” she said.
“Doing it becomes automatic, you just follow and stop asking questions.
Bodega says
If I was an Alien From Outer Space and sexual pleasure had a part in my culture, I would bypass our crazy ass earth and keep going. European society and Americans do not understand that sex can be an affirmation of love and commitment and is not merely a way to make a larger population. Circumcison does not eliminate pleasure for men, FGM makes penis penetration absolutely virtually unendurable, birthing a child becomes an agony.. It is a cruel SM lpractice and barbaric.
Just a Concerned Citizen says
There is no need to trivialize/downplay the genital cutting of one gender over another. Genital mutilation isn’t a pissing contest (and much like Islam, there is no excuse for ignorance about the effects on both males and female cutting–many forms of FGM, such as those described in this article and the incidents in Michigan have put the AAP in the awkward position of acknowledging that what was done to those girls was indeed less invasive than the typical male circumcision). And unfortunately, this sentiment too many of us in the free world have is part of the problem. As long as we tolerate (or even advocate) the cutting of one gender and wring our hands at the horror of the other, there will always be those who will cut both.
All forced genital cutting needs to stop.
Renata says
Absolutely Concerned Citizen! Both is barbaric beyond belief! As well it is a hideous sex crimes on young children and kids in their early teens. Mutilate yourself if you are above 25 years old (when the brain is finished developing) all you like, but HANDS OFF OF KIDS !!!!
gravenimage says
Bodega wrote:
European society and Americans do not understand that sex can be an affirmation of love and commitment and is not merely a way to make a larger population.
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What is Bodega babbling about? What Europeans and Americans fail to understand this?
The idea that Europeans and Americans understand nothing about romantic love and consider sex as something purely for reproduction is absurd. The truth is that the whole idea of romantic love developed in the West.
WPM says
What rot only American and European culture do not understand sex can be an affirmation of love and commitment ?Where in American or European culture today are women treated like livestock, non-persons to be bought and sold? Where in American culture or European main stream culture sexuality only used “to make a larger population” only if that was the only goal both Americans and Native Europeans would be dong a bad job at it ,with the current population tends. Where in Christian and Jewish culture is FGM ever was encourage or allowed ?What current laws in Western countries discourage love, commitment ,romance of men and women on an emotional and sexual level.? Where the women,s and men,s are viewed as equals as law and culture of Western values .Past non-Western cultures had widows thrown onto their husband,s flaming funeral fire.
gravenimage says
True, WPM.
cornelius says
“Modern, moderate” Malaysia.
mortimer says
Islam is the world’s most successful and largest DEATH CULT. In Islam, the solution to almost everything is DEATH, if not torture.
Anyone who cannot see Islam as a CULT of DEATH, XENOPHOBIA and MISOGYNY is wearing the wrong, pink-coloured glasses.
Malcolm Jackson says
Why does Nigel Farage continue to promote this evil cult of Islam in the UK?
Don says
Egypt has the same rate. But what is interesting the northern Egyptians called Gazans who are genetically 100% Sinai Egyptians (and from farther away) many from the same exact families, lowered the practice substantially, when they became ancient philistines in 1967. The Jihad against Jews has allowed many Arabs to become far more lax in many other practices. Conversion of Egypt until 1966 – 93% FGM then they were Sinai Egyptians, told they are ancient philistine by the west in 1967, 30%-50% FGM overnight.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr spencer, you mean Muslims should not remove that bad looking foreskin scaring women and reduce their sex motivation? Female circumcision is not obligatory and the Hadith permitting it is a weak Hadith and it contradicts the spirit of the Quranic verse that both male and female(husband and wife) should derive maximum pleasure from sexual activity as a blessing from Allah.
mortimer says
Ibrahim, what do you not understand about “BAZR” ???
Cutting out the clitoris is obligatory
e4.3 Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (bazr) (this is called Hufaad)
Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri
This is pre-scientific, pre-rational BRONZE AGE THINKING.
Ibrahim, the WORLD IS OBSERVING YOUR PRIMITIVE SAVAGERY and condemning you.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mortimer, retention of that bad looking foreskin shows that mithraist christians have retained primitive and savage stone age way of life. Tell savage mad devil Trump not dare insert his large foreskin into vaginas of our beautiful Muslim ladies in Saudi Arabia, we value them
alex smythe says
Ibe: how do you know that Trump is uncircumsized? In the United States, most males of Christian heritage have been circumsized, or undergo circumcizion. Also, FGM multilates girls and women and totally deprives them of sexual pleasure. If you truly valued women and girls, then you would not condone the utterly barbaric (and wretchedly idiotic) practice of FGM.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mortimer, retention of that bad looking foreskin scaring women shows that mithraist christians have retained that primitive and savage stone age way of life. tell savage mad devil Trump not dare insert his large foreskin into vaginas of our beautiful Arab muslim ladies in Saudi Arabia, we value them.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mortimer, retention of that bad looking foreskin scaring women shows that mithraist christians have retained that primitive and savage stone age way of life. Tell savage mad devil Trump not insert his large foreskin into vaginas of our beautiful Arab muslim ladies in Saudi Arabia during his constant visit to idiot saudi monarchs.
Westman says
In Sahih Bukhari chapter 58 (no. 275), Muhammad is asked, “Why does a child attract the similarity to his father or to his mother?” Muhammad’s reply was, “Gabrial has just now informed me of that. As for the child, if the man’s discharge proceeds the woman’s discharge, the child attracts the similarity to the man, and if the woman’s discharge proceeds the man’s, then the child attracts the similarity of the woman.”
Do you suppose there is an incentive, based on a complete error by Muhammad, for a Muslim man to allow a procedure upon women that delays the satisfaction of his wife in order to conceive children that visually appear more like him? And particularly, the all-important male child?
b.a. freeman says
excellent point, Westman; i had not thought it through yet, but this is almost certainly why this monstrous practice is observed! it makes *total* sense that the pious muslim, wanting a male child, would want his wife to “reach discharge” last. furthermore, if he could ensure that she would *never* “reach discharge,” he could be sure that *all* his children would be boys … and thus the practice of making it certain.
in a way, it’s almost too bad muhammed wasn’t right (silly me; i meant allah, of course, not muhammed!); that way, there wouldn’t be any female muslims other than kidnap victims, and once europeans stopped muslim advances, the population of the ummah would have collapsed. once there were too few thugs to continue the crime spree, the cult would have died out.
oh, well, bad though it can often be, reality is *always* better than fantasy, in spite of what leftists think.
katherine says
YES! Why didn’t I think of that ? Proves there are valid scientific principals in Islamic knowledge, after all.
Such advanced Genetic Engineering based on Mo’s all-encompassing knowledge.
b.a. freeman says
ibrahim, i take it that U have founded your own school of islam, since all 4 modern schools, the newest of which (hanbali, from about the mid 9th century) is about 1200 years old, require FGM, since muhammed did not forbid it, and even encouraged it. i wonder what your fellow muslims would think of that? are U ready to change your name and habits, and go on the run?
gravenimage says
The vile Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr spencer, you mean Muslims should not remove that bad looking foreskin scaring women and reduce their sex motivation?
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What right does this thug have to tell women that their genitalia are “bad looking” and that they have to have their ability to feel sexual pleasure “reduce”?
More:
Female circumcision is not obligatory and the Hadith permitting it is a weak Hadith and it contradicts the spirit of the Quranic verse that both male and female(husband and wife) should derive maximum pleasure from sexual activity as a blessing from Allah.
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Isn’t Ibrahim itace muhammed contradicting himself here?
He just said they have to have their ability to experience sexual pleasure reduced. And given the fact that he has said that anyone who marries for love should be murdered, this should not surprise.
More:
mortimer, retention of that bad looking foreskin shows that mithraist christians have retained primitive and savage stone age way of life. Tell savage mad devil Trump not dare insert his large foreskin into vaginas of our beautiful Muslim ladies in Saudi Arabia, we value them
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This has nothing to do with “foreskins”–that is only true regarding male circumcision. As Mortimer notes, FGM calls for cutting out the woman’s entire clitoris. FGM I, II, and III all do this.
And Ibrahim itace muhmmed has made the bizarre claim before that uncircumcized men have “hard” foreskins–just more proof that Muslims understand nothing about human anatomy.
Rarely says
FGM is a cruel, barbaric practice and has no place in the modern world. In fact, it is hard to imagine anyone having sex with someone who isn’t enjoying it too (excluding, of course, rapists and other sexual deviants). He might as well be having sex with a sheep, goat or a young boy. Imagine a society where there has been no real sexual intimacy for generations. What sort of mindsets develop? Females wouldn’t just be second class citizens but possessions having specific uses just like the sheep or goat. How could any father condemn his daughters to such a life?
Of course I know the obvious answers to these questions but am encouraged by those who are part of any cult that practices FGM but opposes it. Hurray for them.
Of course effective banning of FGM in Western societies will be met with fierce resistance because it would certainly cause a social upheaval inside those groups that practice it. I suspect that the practice might be the very basis of what separates us, distorts values and fires aggression and violence.
These are just my thoughts at the moment and certainly open to debate. After all I may be wrong. I was wrong once before, I thought I was mistaken but I was wrong.
gravenimage says
Good post, Rarely.
Renata says
Pardon me Rarely? With a goat, sheep or YOUNG BOY ??!!! Pardon me? You find it ok and not heinous that a man has “sex” (you mean sodomy !) with a young boy?!
I’d think that this kind of “sex” is the worst crime than one can think of! I hope, you just mis-wrote!!!
Boys need to be protected from this kind of barbary ! NOW !!!
Rarely says
Sarcasm.
gravenimage says
Rarely is not condoning this–just noting how Muslims think.
Jean says
Renata.
Rarely’s point was that desiring sex with a mutilated, suffering woman is just as perverted as desiring an animal or a little boy. That is true.
gravenimage says
+1
Walter Sieruk says
This malicious misogynistic Islamic custom of F.G.M has damaged and harmed 93% of the females in Malaysia is proof that this Islamic tradition of butchery against young girls and now spread lust like a plague of contagious infectious disease over most of Malaysia .
In addition,this cruel, brutal and vicious Islamic tradition of female butchery which some Muslims so inappropriately call “female circumcision” This heinous Islamic custom of misogyny has been exposed in the book by Brigitte Gabriel which is entitled THEY MUST BE STOPPED. For on page 178 it reveals to the reader that “One of the most devastating practices to young girls of the Islamic world is female genital mutilation. Young girls have their clitoris removed without anesthesia…”
Indeed, they must be stopped !
sidney penny says
“Due to religious and family pressure, her daughter was subjected to female circumcision.
“The doctor pulled away the labia and used something that looked like a needle to slit the clitoral hood,” she said.”
sidney penny says
MMM
Moderate Modern Malaysia
gravenimage says
Malaysia: 93% of Muslim women have undergone female genital mutilation
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God, I hate Islam.
Malcolm Jackson says
Nigel Farage does not have a problem with Islam, and does not like Tommy Robinson speaking out about the evil cult.
Try asking Farage any question on Islam through his LBC radio show. Farage always avoids answering questions critical of Islam.
Call Nigel on 0345 60 60 973.
Malcolm Jackson says
Nigel Farage wants us all to surrender to Islam.
Post questions to Nigel Farage on Farage’s YOU Tube pages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAjAuGYPPP0&lc=z22gyx1jtnyexf5fhacdp431zskvoajnf4opgycreb1w03c010c.1542158122514516&feature=em-comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THZygMupckM&t=11s