The ideal, tolerant society:
“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out; persecution is worse than slaughter. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is all-forgiving, all-compassionate. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.” (Qur’an 2:191-193)
“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
“They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore do not take friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, seize them and kill them wherever you find them; do not take for yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
“This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth to do corruption there: they shall be killed, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall be struck off on opposite sides; or they shall be exiled from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.” (Qur’an 5:33)
“When your Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers; so strike the necks, and strike every finger of them!” (Qur’an 8:12)
“Fight them, till there is no persecution and religion is all for Allah; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.” (Qur’an 8:39)
“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.” (Qur’an 8:60)
“Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” (Qur’an 9:5)
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29)
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.” (Qur’an 9:111)
“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.” (Qur’an 9:123)
“When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.” (Qur’an 47:4)
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“Following Quran a prerequisite to set up an ideal, tolerant society: speakers,” Pakistan Today, November 12, 2018:
LAHORE: Following the teachings of Holy Quran is a prerequisite to achieve the objective of establishing an ideal, tolerant and peaceful society and countering the menaces of terrorism, extremism and sectarianism was the crux of two days of discussions held here at the Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS) and the University of Lahore (UoL).
The discussions titled “Paigham-e-Pakistan Narrative and the Establishment of an Ideal Society” were organised as part of a two-day “International Quran Conference”, attended by international scholars, including professor of Comparative Civilization, Department of Political Science and International Relations Istanbul Sehir University Dr Abdullah al-Ahsan; Dr Khairi Mahyuddin of Faculty of Leadership and Management, University Sains Islam Malaysia; reader in Islamic Studies, University of Glasgow Dr Lloyd Ridgeon; Dr Martin Mahmud Kellner of Institute for Islamic Theology, University Osnabruck Germany and UK Academy of Islamic Sciences principal and director of Wiselife Academy Manchester, UK Shaykh Ahmad Dabbagh.
Addressing the participants, the speakers said the Holy Quran as well as Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) have advocated the creation of a socially inclusive society that embodies a sense of inclusion, establishes a tradition of mutual respect, encourages diversity of perspectives and commends broadmindedness without any racial and religious prejudice.
“Extremism is not the message of Islam. Islam is the religion of peace and humanity. Collective efforts for dissemination of the true message of Islam are imperative and the Paigham-e-Pakistan narrative is a timely step to pursue this goal. The message should be spread across the globe. We must portray a soft and positive image of Islam and highlight Islam as a religion of peace, brotherhood, tolerance and accommodation,” they said.
The speakers especially highlighted the role of ulema, faculty members, civil society and youth to achieve the goal of successfully building a counter-narrative to violence, extremism and terrorism.
“It is the fundamental responsibility of Islamic scholars to protect the religion from corruption, defend it from aggression and protect its sanctity and purity,” they said.
“However, sustaining the positive image of Islam should not be seen as a responsibility of the clerics alone but a collective responsibility of all segments of a society,” they said and called for devising a comprehensive strategy against Islamophobia through close linkages between ulema and the educational institutions….
Buraq says
And marrying Bluebeard is the prerequisite to a happy, fulfilled relationship. Clowns!
mortimer says
TOLERANCE ? … but not for Asia Bibi.
In fact, TOLERANCE for NO ONE at all.
Yeah, Islam is a DEATH CULT and DEATH is the SOLUTION to every problem.
And HOW ABOUT MAKING A POSITIVE IMAGE in the matter of ASIA BIBI?
Instead of the image of BRONZE-AGE SAVAGES?
Andy says
Pakistani Christian refugee Asa Bibi isn’t safe in Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu8akYbX0kk
Norger says
What f****** planet do these people live on? Reality check in two words: Asia Bibi.
gravenimage says
Yep.
jayell says
An ‘ideal, tolerant society’ where everyone ‘has embraced islam’, no doubt. But it would have to be the same kind of islam ot else they’d be at it with the bombs and machetes before too long. But even if they were all singing from the same hymn-sheet (that’s a joke, by the way) someone would step out of line by a centimetre or two or forget to put their headgear on, or something, and then we’d have a stabbing, or stoning, or amputation, or a crucifixion or two. You’ve got to keep the entertainment going for the decout followers of the Great Prophet, or there might be some unrest (as the UK Government seems to be so aware).
tim gallagher says
Good summary of Islam’s violent nature, jayell. There could never be peace in Islam. Islam is the opposite of peace and tolerance despite that gigantic lie we are always being told that Islam is peace..
Garri says
“gigantic lie we are always being told that Islam is peace..” Don’t take anybody’s word, read their Koran. As long as they worship Koran, there can not be peaceful and radicals. Koran is teaching all and no sidetrack allowed or stoning will follow.
Michael Copeland says
“a sense of inclusion”
If anyone desire a religion other than Islam never will it be accepted of him – K 3:85
“mutual respect”
They [Christians and Jews] are the worst of creatures – K. 98:6
“encourages diversity of perspectives”
It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision – K. 33:36
“peace”
Fight them until ….Islam is the only governance K.8.39
“brotherhood”
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.
and so on
Jayell says
“a sense of inclusion” – they’d ‘include’ you into their jizzya tax demands so that you might feel as though you’re making a contribution to their beautiful society. And in the UK they’ve already made lots of young English girls feel ‘included’, especially in places like Rotherham.
gravenimage says
+1
Renate says
They’re joking. Right?
b.a. freeman says
no, they’re not joking; they’re just lying. notice that the article is in *ENGLISH*; obviously, it is propaganda aimed at those in the west who are unarmed in the battle of ideas: leftist-educated citizens, who wouldn’t know critical thinking if they tripped over it. were U to look up the original article in urdu, punjabi, pashto, sindhi, or saraiki (haven’t been able to easily find that yet), no doubt the final message of the conference would be more along the lines of “kill the filthy kuffar so that we’re all muslim.”
but when MEMRI and others do the translations, they “have an agenda.” kind of like encyclopedia britannica.com and loc.gov “have an agenda.”
Westman says
Such tolerance: Like, trying to kill Asia Bibi? Wherever they go in the West they can’t stop forbidding and telling unbelievers about how much joy Muslims will have watching them burn. Got typical Pakistani Muslims? Got perpetual Intolerance.
dan christensen says
“We must portray a soft and positive image of Islam and highlight Islam as a religion of peace, brotherhood, tolerance and accommodation,” they said.”
Notice that they mentioned ‘portray’, ‘image’ and ‘highlight’. They did not bother to prove the assertions by referencing to actual instances of islamic ‘peace’, ‘tolerance’ and ‘accomodation’.
“However, sustaining the positive image of Islam should not be seen as a responsibility of the clerics alone but a collective responsibility of all segments of a society,” they said.”
Notice that they again only are interested in keeping alleged positive ‘images’ sold, but not in presenting the causes of that religions actual disastrous bad reputation in the world.
Islam is sold as a soap opera on the world stage. In the current case, a tragic comedy.
gravenimage says
Spot on analysis, Dan.
mortimer says
Yes, Dan, SMOKE and MIRRORS !!
Pakastani leaders KNOW that they cannot transform the REALITY of ISLAMIC INTOLERANCE towards ‘OTHERS’, so they want to spend money transforming their ‘IMAGE’ through public relations and through CENSORSHIP … the only two ways to change the ‘IMAGE’ … but not the reality.
The INTERNET DESTROYS that plan, since the FACTS are getting out and there is no way to suppress the facts about Islam’s SYSTEMIC INTOLERANCE and VIOLENCE.
When you tell ordinary Muslims to TRANSFORM the ‘IMAGE’ of Islam, what it means to them is ISLAMIC VIGILANTISM … MOBS THAT BURN DOWN THE HOMES OF CRITICS OF ISLAM or STAB them as they wait at the bus stop.
There is no PUNISHMENT for the murderer of a BLASPHEMER under discriminatory Sharia law.
Sharia law CANNOT be ‘transformed’.
dan christensen says
The trick with equating ‘reality’ with ‘image’ is a real old politicians trick.
If you have noticed, politicians never admit their own ‘failures’ or their own ‘blatant errors’, which caused a negative impact on the voters.
Instead of apologizing for their bad foresight, they often revert to the announcement: “there is nothing wrong with the sound policies of our party – it’s only that we politicians sometimes can be better in explaining what we stand for; for this we apologize.”
The islamic variant also never admits failure of own islamic policies. It is just the islamic clerics, who should improve their ability to conjure pleasant images in the eyes of the dumb dhimmies.
For your own survival – never forget that islam is a fatal toxic mixture of religion with politics and mortal combat against all “infidels”. The islamic professors provide the best examples of the islamic variant.
David Grisez says
Just take a look at the country of Pakistan and look at the terrorist attacks, bombings, persecution of Christians and non muslims to see that Islam is definitely not producing a peaceful, tolerant, inclusive society. These Islamic professors, that are having this conference in Pakistan must be ignoring what is happening in the very country that they are having this conference.
joscefi says
Nine out of ten Muslims concur, after this afternoon’s beheading ceremony, it will be unanimous….
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Professors agree that following Quran is prerequisite to set up an ideal, tolerant society
…………………..
Uh…right.Like Pakistan itself, which has innocent people on death row for saying anything critical about how Islam is not tolerant…
John Hawk says
“Extremism is not the message of Islam. Islam is the religion of peace and humanity.”
Wow. And at the conclusion of this year’s “peaceful” gathering we will lynch Asia Bibi and her entire family. Do these clowns even listen to themselves or has Islam so stripped them of a conscience that they can no longer hear?
Ren says
Following Quran is prerequisite to set up a brothel.
tim gallagher says
These diseased Muslims truly do inhabit another universe. Well, I wish they were off in some other universe. Unfortunately, they are here fouling up the same planet that we civilised, non-Muslim people inhabit. As several commenters here have pointed out Pakistan would have to be just about the most intolerant country you could find. I was going to say that it is the extreme level of lying that these creeps indulge in that amazes me. But, they probably actually believe the garbage they put out there (Islam has rotted their brains so severely and destroyed any ability to think logically). There is the world of civilised, non-Muslim people and there is the barbaric Muslim world where completely intolerant Islam is considered to be wonderful tolerance and up is down and white is black. It is bizarre. Whatever Muslim spokespeople say is true, I immediately think that the opposite is the truth. Hearing their crap is like being given an insight into some kind of alternate, twisted reality. Islam is, and always will be, a danger to us all.
Rarely says
Pretty grandiose claim considering the total lack of tolerance displayed in EVERY majority muslim on the planet now or throughout history.
In the mythical list of the three greatest lies in the World this one just edged out “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you” from first place. I project it will set a record for weeks in that spot.
Of course, if they got their way it would be the end of scientific progress music, entertainment, etc., etc.
Life would be meaningless at last. The only “entertainment” left would be watching the various muslim sects annihilating each other. But we have that now so where’s the improvement?
From their perspective who would be left to rape, pillage and/or terrorize? I guess the sheep and goats better watch their ass. Oh, I forgot. There’s always young boys to get their attention.
What a bunch of nimrods!!!
tim gallagher says
I love your comment, Rarely. It gave me a laugh (in a grim sort of way). It is witty in a fairly ferocious way and skewers Islam’s foul nature. What you say is the truth about the appalling world we’ll all have to live in if Islam ever does gain power throughout the world. Talk about a dark age. It would make the historical period known as the Dark Ages seem like the Enlightenment. It’s a truly appalling prospect.
sidney penny says
Question for the Professors:
How was Pakistan formed?
It was formed because the Muslims in India wanted a separate state for Muslims although not all Muslims moved to Pakistan.
So is Pakistan ( an Islamic Country) an ideal, tolerant and peaceful society?
Does it counter the menaces of terrorism, extremism and sectarianism?
sidney penny says
Academy of Islamic Sciences principal and director of Wiselife Academy Manchester, UK Shaykh Ahmad Dabbagh.
Islamic Sciences?
Really?
kuriakose says
Pakistan, founded in 1947, on islamic principles and even an attempt at syariah, had 70 odd years to show the world how the fantasy islam they believe in,( ie the time of “perfection” when muh was ruling arabia, could be demonstrated. But what do we see? A failed state, corruption, racked by internal dissent, assasinations, abuse, persecution of religious minorities, unable to get ahead economically. Imran has to go to China to beg for aid and trade. Irony is China is sending its troublesome muhameddans to reeducation camps; I didn’t notice Khan and his gang or any othe muslim leader for that matter raise a peep. And yet in Asia’s case look at those devils rioting in the street.
The fruits of islam…….
gravenimage says
Spot on, kuriakose.
Compare this to vibrant, democratic Israel, which is about as old.
alex smythe says
Or India, which is steadily pulling itself out of the Third World. I saw an interview on youtube with Salman Rushdie. The interviewer asked, “You have said that, out of Britain, India and Pakistan, the country you felt least at home in was Pakistan.” Rushdie answered, “Yeah…Pakistan sucks!” Rushdie went on to explain, “Especially if you’re used to India, which offers a really rich experience of art, diversity of faiths, sights, colors, smells..in Pakistan you feel stifled. There’s virtually no freedom of speech or thought, there’s intense regional hatreds, there’s terrorism and also widepread oppression against religious minorities, there’s a big narcotics problem…it sucks!”
gravenimage says
True, Alex. India has made great strides during my lifetime. Pakistan, not so much…
dan christensen says
A pattern is emerging. Muslims can commit any atrocity they imagine in the name of their god. The routine then is:
1) Keep the western audience informed on “a few” muslim perpetrators anti-islamic intentions.
2) Immediate follow up with a message of ‘genuine’ islams adherence to love and peace.
3) Play victim with desparate cries of ‘islamophobia’ and ‘backlash’.
4) Display and sell the ‘image’ and ‘notion’ that islam is pure good will to all.
Amazingly this trick works most of the time. Thanks to the ‘ingenuous’, devious and cynical global media. No wonder that Trump mentions “The Fake News” as public enemy no. 1.