Recently I’ve been called a “notorious Islamophobe” and an “anti-Muslim propagandist” in the Left-wing media, and while these charges aren’t new, I thought it worth noting today that they are based as much on ignorance as they are on malice. My message to my critics is this: if you knew what I know, you would agree with me.
Most people assume that the Qur’an, like the holy books of other religions, is full of lofty, high-minded teachings about the necessity to be benevolent, magnanimous, forgiving, and so on. They can’t imagine a holy book that exhorts believers to hatred and contempt of unbelievers, and that enjoins violence against them. But I’ve read the Qur’an multiple times and studied it for years, and can’t deny what I’ve found there.
Most people also assume that Muhammad, as the founder of one of the “world’s great religions,” was a Gandhiesque figure: genial, benign, wise, insightful, kind. That he was a warlord who called for the assassination of his enemies, held sex slaves, consummated a marriage with a child, and taught his followers that they would receive divine rewards for murder and plunder is simply unbelievable to some. But I’ve studied the earliest Islamic sources about Muhammad, and the evidence is unmistakable.
Most people likewise take for granted that Islamic history is full of periods in which Muslims lived in peace, harmony, and mutual respect with Jews, Christians, Hindus, and others. They cannot conceive of the possibility that Islamic history is actually one long and uninterrupted record of Muslims being violent toward non-Muslims, and oppressing them. But I’ve examined contemporary sources from every period of Islamic history, from Spain to India, including Islamic sources, and I cannot deny what they reveal.
Finally, most people take for granted that our law enforcement and intelligence authorities are on the job, working round the clock to protect us against the jihad terror threat. Unfortunately, the evidence shows that those authorities are for the most part instead denying the nature and magnitude of that threat and making common cause with organizations that are actually part of the problem, not of the solution.
And so I’m issuing a challenge to those who call me “Islamophobe” and “anti-Muslim”: show where any of my conclusions about Islam, jihad, Sharia, or Islamic history are wrong, and I will publicly retract. Or, if you cannot do that, then join me in endeavoring to preserve free societies that respect the dignity of all human beings, female as well as male, non-Muslim as well as Muslim. Most people aren’t even aware of the extent to which pro-Sharia organizations are working to subvert free societies today. But the evidence, here again, is substantial.
But of course, nary a single one of my critics will take up this challenge. Most people think that we can have a free and open public debate about these issues. They don’t realize how long and how indefatigably Leftist and Islamic supremacists have worked to stifle discussion of these issues, and to demonize those who speak about them.
Indeed, the Left and its Islamic supremacist allies today don’t deal in rational debate, but rather in name-calling and defamation designed to make people of good will shy away from standing up to what is an obvious and genuine threat. I’ve written about that as well. Read and consider. I’d be happy to discuss these matters with you.
Andy says
To the globalist leftie/liberal fake news media.
Stick and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Keep up the good fight Mr. Spencer, ALL PATRIOTS are behind you!
God Bless You!
Andy says
The New Jihad: More Threatening Than Ever
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13206/jihad-threat
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Hey Andy, did you see the Bannon-Frum debate in Toronto?
Can you believe the NDP (Canada’s socialist political party) tried to have the debate cancelled? To my mind this is tantamount to Soviet style censorship. I wonder if book-burning is part of the NDP’s platform as well. (If any Canadian JW readers want to let them know what they think then here’s their contact page: https://www.ndp.ca/contact)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poq5ZrAc7pk
By the way, Bannon won the debate. He converted 28% of the audience at the beginning of the debate to a 57% after the debate. Frum basically used nothing but unsubstantiated ad hominims and grand platitudes; nothing of any substance. Many of the Canadian MSM said Bannon won because he used charm rather than substance. There’s no pleasing these people; they are such jingos.
Andy says
Hello Flavius, I would have loved to have been able to attend the debate, I heard about it on the news but was unable to attend unfortunately.
Thank you Flavius very much for the video of the debate, greatly appreciated.
Take care.
Andy says
Hi Flavius
Thank you very much for the video of the debate. I would have loved to have been at the debate in person.
Andy says
People Who Use Logic: Populism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkI12jrhUI
mortimer says
ISLAMOPHOBIA is a word invented to silence DISCUSSION about ISLAMIC TERRORISM.
Islamophobia is a word custom-designed by the Muslim Brotherhood to stop people from thinking clearly about jihad terrorism.
Islamophobia is a PROPAGANDISTIC TERM, and an ILLOGICAL TERM.
It is a FALLACY IN REASONING … the Strawman Fallacy or a Frankenword or a Cheap Shot or a Conflation of the Legitimate Dislike of an Ideology with an Unfair Prejudice against People or the Self-Righteousness Fallacy or a Question-begging Strategy or a Definist Fallacy to declare victory prior to discussion in order to prevent all reasoned debate about Islamic ideology.
In the Frankenword or Definist Fallacy, a propagandist defines the terms in the argument so as to create prejudice against his opponent, thus giving himself an unfair advantage even before the opponent’s argument has been presented. Islamophobia is a FRANKENWORD, also called a “portmanteau word”. It combines two unrelated thoughts in order to create a shorthand term that bypasses a lengthy explanation and intellectual scrutiny.
‘Islamophobia’ is a word that bypasses the presentation of proof that the person who is slandered is guilty of a crime. ‘Islamophobia’ allows the judges to simply skip the whole trial process and go directly from an accusation to the sentencing, leaving out the requirement to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt prior to applying condemnation and punishment.
‘Islamophobia’ is a way of saying someone is guilty without a trial or a proper hearing of the case. That is why it is often pronounced with such smug triumphalism. Smug people who use the term want to escape from the burden of having to prove whether their accusation of bigotry is valid or not. Whoever protests the term is taken by the denial to be guilty.
The ‘Islamophobia’ strawman fallacy is like the medieval witch test: if the alleged witch was thrown bound into a pond and floated, she was guilty, but if she sank and drowned, then she was innocent. Either way, the witch died. That’s the technique modern Leftards are using to stop debate about Islamic jihad, supremacism and Islamic misogyny. They’ve found a way to throw the ideological opposition down the well without a hearing.
The purpose of the term ‘ISLAMOPHOBIA’ is to make people think that it is wrong to DISCUSS ISLAMIC TERRORISM, especially after JIHADIST ATTACKS and JIHADIST MURDERS have occurred.
kuriakose says
mortimer
Masterly analysis.
christianblood says
Just as the US & Western liberal establishment elites and the majority of their robotic societies denigrate and demean ex-muslims and anti-jihad writers like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and others so are the US & Western governments are giving even a bigger support to murderous islamic jihadist states and groups around the globe! For instance, the first overseas trip of president Trump was to Saudi Arabia where he danced and bowed to the satanic tyrants that are ruling that murderous Islamist hellhole and Push and Obama before him did the same! Does anyone think that is an accident?
Heck, even decades ago, president Ronald Reagan hosted a bunch of Al-Qaeda and Taliban jihadists in the White House and called them “freedom fighters”. So the support of islamists, islamic Sharia ideology in the US and the West and the denigration of anti-jihad writers like Robert Spencer are NOT isolated incidents but are indeed something that deeply and genuine ingrained in the psyche of the US and Western ruling elites!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86B-7fbqD0
christianblood says
Just as the US & Western liberal establishment elites and the majority of their robotic societies denigrate and demean ex-muslims and anti-jihad writers like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and others so are the US & Western governments are giving even a bigger support to murderous islamic jihadist states and groups around the globe! For instance, the first overseas trip of president Trump was to Saudi Arabia where he danced and bowed to the satanic tyrants that are ruling that murderous Islamist hellhole and Push and Obama before him did the same! Does anyone think that is an accident?
Heck, even decades ago, president Ronald Reagan hosted a bunch of Al-Qaeda and Taliban jihadists in the White House and called them “freedom fighters”. So the support of islamists, islamic Sharia ideology in the US and the West and the denigration of anti-jihad writers like Robert Spencer are NOT isolated incidents but are indeed something that is deeply and genuine ingrained in the psyche of the US and Western ruling elites!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86B-7fbqD0
gravenimage says
christianblood is just spamming his boiler-plate anti-Americanism here.
christianblood says
gravenimage
I didn’t send the pair of similar comments above intentionally Graven.
For the past few days, the posted comments are taking longer to show and that creates some confusion on my side!
gravenimage says
christianblood may not have intended to post the same screed twice on this thread–but he has done so on dozens of stories here over the past couple of months alone.
Jean says
mortimer.
“Either way, the witch died.”
You mean: Either way, the woman died.
This is a good example of how even the most unrealistic of accusations tend to invade the mind and stick there, even when one knows that they are false. This, in turn, confirms your point.
gravenimage says
+1
Carol the 1st says
Irish saying whispered by those who spread lies, innuendo and slander: “Plant the seed, and watch it grow!”
Rufolino says
“A phobia” is defined as “an irrational fear”.
As Spencer repeatedly demonstrates, there is nothing in the least “irrational” in a fear of Islamic ideology and Islamic intentions…
christianblood says
Andy
Well-said, Andy!
christianblood says
Just today, Islamic jihadists murdered and wounded 21 Egyptian Christians and none of the Western liberal media is even mentioning it! More below:
https://southfront.org/21-egyptian-copts-killed-and-injured-in-brutal-attack-by-isis/
gravenimage says
christianblood is mistaken. This terrible story has been covered by the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Independent, the Guardian, the Telegraph, ABC News, the CBC, the Times of Israel, and Euronews–and likely others:
“Gunmen in Egypt attack bus carrying Christians, killing at least 8 and wounding 13”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gunmen-in-egypt-attack-bus-carrying-christians-killing-at-least-7-and-wounding-14/2018/11/02/cadb679b-ab2f-4e28-98f0-47abd40f32fd_story.html?utm_term=.6180a5a03802
“ISIS Claims Credit for Attack That Kills Christians in Egypt”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/02/world/middleeast/egypt-coptic-christians-ambush.html
This is all Western media.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Western liberal media is much more concerned about “homophobia” “me too” movements, “inclusive washrooms” and fabricated muslim persecution in places like China and Myanmar!
NYT, Wapo and other news orgs you mentioned are indeed NO friends for the persecuted Christians and anti-jihad authors like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and other brave souls that are warning the West against the islamic jihadist threat and they hate them and demonize them whenever they can. Check the time line, they only grudgingly mentioned this massacre in far away pages after the story broke for close to a day!
gravenimage says
christianblood, I was not lauding the editorial policies of all of these news outlets–indeed, I am quite critical of several of them.
You said that no Western media was covering this story; I showed that you were mistaken about that.
Mike Proulx says
Likewise
GrumpyMel says
I think there are plenty on the Left who are in complete denial of reality. I think there are also those in government in the West who are essentially trying to gaslight Muslims into actually believing they had a peaceful past…. and that Muhammad was peaceful in the hopes doing so will trick Muslims into behaving peacefully in the future.
That is an effort that is doomed to fail spectacularly and is morally wrong, not unlike Holocaust denial.
Thank you Dr. Spencer for you continued efforts in educating people about the simple truth of this issue. If we can’t truthfully discuss and understand the facts behind this problem…. then any effort to resolve it is doomed to fail.
gravenimage says
Mel, I don’t think that many Leftists understand the violence of Islam and are trying to fool Muslims into thinking it is peaceful–it is more that Muslims are able to fool most Leftists into thinking that Islam is peaceful.
blitz2b says
How hard is it for a liberal to pick up a book and read it, instead of believing everything that CNN or the southern poverty centre spews?
I wish these ignoramus sell outs don’t ever get into power in the US or any western nation ….. ever.
gravenimage says
This is not just ignorance–it is *willful ignorance*. Many liberals don’t want to know that Islam is a threat.
KWJ says
There is no good excuse for Leftists to be in denial of the reality of Islam. There’s tons of information about it and ex-Muslims who try to speak about their lives experience in Islamic countries yet students at colleges side with the Muslim Brotherhood affiliate the Muslim Students Association in denying ex-Muslims the right to speak, ridiculously calling them Islamophobic and depriving people of listening to them as well as several hundred years of scholars.
Perhaps Leftisys don’t understand that the well-funded Muslim groups are powerful and their Muslim neighbor is nice, but that doesn’t matter and it’s similar to the power of corporations and lobbyists. Also, plenty of Muslims want sharia law even if they don’t outright say so until their numbers grow.
Perhaps Leftists don’t really care about gay or transgender rights, pre-marital sex, tons of UN-Islamic rock and pop music or their freedom to dress how they want or to go to Las Vegas and gamble and drink wine or a margarita. Perhaps they are too dumb to understand how this can happen and has happened. Perhaps they don’t know that the OIC (all the Islamic countries) have big sway over the UN and are the second biggest organization after the UN. Perhaps Leftists don’t know that they want post-secular universal laws, that is, religious laws along with the one-world government proponents such ax the think tanks like the Brookings Institute.
Perhaps they don’t realize that the Muslim Brotherhood’s stated goal is for Islam to dominate, to subject all to sharia law (Allah’s laws) and change cultures like they tried to do in Egypt and it took a coup and dictator to stop them and their fanatical mob fans.
This should all be obvious considering the preferential attention being given to Muslims rather than them doing whatever immigrants do; they call it “positive discrimination.” Maybe the refuse to acknowledge the reality because, 1) Muslims lie to them, 2) They don’t want to admit they’re being played when they think they are being nice, 3) they think it’s some right-left issue when it’s just the right cares more about our freedoms and I’m no right-winger, 4) or they are willingly following an elite cabal’s machinations to use Islam as a way to destroy things, people, and our government system.
It’s almost hilarious that some might think they can change Muslims’ thinking about their religion while the powerful and aggressive will not. They, the OIC, know what Islam is and just want to sugar-coat it so people let their defenses down and invite them in so they can multiply, get into government positions and change things. Are leftists that gullible? One Muslim said, “White guilt helps us,” though plenty of Muslims are white. It’s actually success-guilt which is nonsensical considering all the ways we’ve helped the world, do we’ve done a lot to counter any “sins.” However, Islamic countries haven’t. Japan, for example, has.
If they do know all this and don’t speak out then they are cowards and their way of life and freedoms will be dramatically changed by both global agendas, Islam and climate change initiatives which are ultimately futile.
However, it should be noted that Republican politicians are being complicit, the Dept of Education isn’t slamming schools for teaching religion and sugar-coating Islam, teaching anti-Israel lessons, teachers expressing their views to students, etc.
You can’t hug people who would stab you in the back both figuratively and literally. Good intentions…well, as we saw in Iran with the Leftists there, Leftists are often their own worst enemy. The Right is more predictable and consistent, I must admit.
christianblood says
KWJ
(..There’s tons of information about it and ex-Muslims who try to speak about their lives experience in Islamic countries yet students at colleges side with the Muslim Brotherhood affiliate the Muslim Students Association in denying ex-Muslims the right to speak, ridiculously calling them Islamophobic and depriving people of listening to them as well as several hundred years of scholars..)
Exactly right! Liberals hate and demonize ex-muslims and anyone that points out the dangers of islam and its fanatical adherents! As we speak Christians are being murdered in Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia
and other islamic countries and yet Western liberals would still love and support murderous islamists in all the West! It is not only the secular, anti-Christ liberal establishment in the West that is supportive to islamists but also it is the Western governments that are giving direct support to murderous islamists in places like Syria, Libya, Yemen or in the Balkans! For instance, in recent years, US and Nato-backed KLA jihadists destroyed hundreds of Serbian Orthodox Churches and monasteries in Metohija, Serbia! More of this on the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHSav7TbYBM
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer: A message to my critics
…………………
All Robert Spencer’s critics–the Infidel ones, at least–need to do is to take a close look at the texts of Islam and its grim history for themselves to see that he is right–but how many of them will do that? Damn few…
PRCS says
I suspect that many of them DO know.
But, to admit that wouldn’t comport with their goals.
mummymovie says
Their goals, yeah… and more accurately, their fantastical utopian worldview.
It’s the violence that Mohammed, as well as islam -through the koran- commands of its followers that makes it different; a lot of people simply can’t comprehend that being the truth, which it is.
It’s a very inconvenient truth, because it’s one that puts us at war, and constantly so, whether we like it or not; and in all likelihood, this reality is also very unsettling to most people. I mean, who really wants to acknowledge that?
PRCS says
“a lot of people simply can’t comprehend that being the truth”
Perhaps even worse, those who do know that–but intentionally pretend it’s not.
lebel says
“that respect the dignity of all human beings, female as well as male, non-Muslim as well as Muslim.”
It’s hard to understand how a website that promotes forced deportation/ethnic cleansing of Muslims from Western societies respects the dignity of all human beings.
Robert Spencer says
Except that we don’t promote or support any such thing.
Facts are tough, but it might be good for you to become acquainted with them.
lebel says
Mr Spencer, Mr. Hugh Fitzgerald (former jihadwatch vice-president) as advocated such policies on this very site many times. You never condemned these and actually, you should have never allowed Mr. Fitzgerald to advocate such policies on your website.
gravenimage says
Where has Hugh Fitzgerald ever called for ethnic cleansing? What calumny from lebel.
Citations, please. Of course, he can’t provide what does not exist.
mortimer says
Muslims like Lebel often make SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS and BLANKET OPINIONS which they declare as COCKSURE FACTS … then, they declare VICTORY !!
Muslims are EASILY DEFEATED in a SCHEDULED debate, because the VERBAL TRICKS, EMOTIONAL REASONING and FALLACIES OF ILLOGIC that are the stock-in-trade of Lebel and co. DO NOT WORK in a scheduled debate.
LEBEL, IF YOU ARE SO COCKSURE … THEN LET’S SEE YOU DEBATE ROBERT SPENCER IN A SCHEDULED DEBATE … YOU CRAVEN, BACKSTABBING COWARD.
YOU ACTUALLY “HATE” FACTS… don’t you, Lebel? FACTS are SO INCONVENIENT to your GENOCIDAL DEATH CULT DELUSIONS … aren’t they, Lebel ?
And … you ARE a real coward and you AREN’T RUNNING AWAY, are you, Lebel?
gravenimage says
Will lebel say anything critical about the horrors of Jihad and brutal Shari’ah law? Why is he so wedded to these monstrosities that he hates those who oppose them?
FYI says
Where is there specific mention of the phrase “Ethnic cleansing”?
As for this “ethnic cleansing” you mention,did you miss islam’s call for the annihilation of the Jews through a Genocidal war?
SAHIH MUSLIM 6985
Did you miss that?
islam’s call for the destruction of the Jewish people.
Neither Judaism nor Christianity is calling for the destruction of muslims but islam IS calling for,and in the process of mass-murdering Jews and Christians{and Hindus..and Buddhists..and Gay people..and Atheists..}
The Christians are being forced out of the ME due to the murderously Godless,demonic savagery of islam,the “religion of peace”with its false god,false prophet and false scripture..and Israel{a nation which exits by full permission of the Actual God who must NEVER be confused with the moslem god of hate,allah the deceiver… it has a right to exist as the official homeland of the Jews…}is under constant threat by islamic terrorist thugs of hamas{on behalf of the made-up “palestinians”} and hizbollah{on behalf} of the morally bankrupt religious hypocrites of Iran.
islam is at war with the West{the dar al harb}It’s religion is antichristian and antisemitic,it promotes endless hatred,violence,barbarism and wickedness and its apologists have boasted about their desire to subvert our culture;it is islam that has declared war on us!
I support Israel too 100%{economically,militarily}as a bastion of democracy against the Godless savagery of islam,the murderous cult of the moon god,allah the deceiver.
FYI says
SAHIH MUSLIM 6985
Did you miss that one?
islamic supremacist ideology’s call for the destruction of the Jews.
Neither Christians nor Jews are calling for any kind of annihilation of moslems.
islam IS calling for mass-murder and mayhem.
moslems and islamic supremacists are the very ones calling for the murder of Jews…Christians…Hindus…Buddhists…Atheists
and the destruction of Israel{the land that the Actual God gave to the Jews}
mortimer says
LEBEL … HERE ARE SOME OF YOUR FAVORITE VERSES … about GENOCIDE and ETHNIC CLEANSING …
ALLAH asks Muslims to Commit Torture and Genocide in the Koran
Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah’s word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants
Koran 8:37
In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
Koran 21:11
How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their iniquities, setting up in their place other peoples?
Koran 2:8-10
In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will incur, because they are false.
Koran 58:5
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty. (hmmm… that sounds like 9-11, lebel)
Koran 21:11
How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their iniquities, setting up in their place other peoples?
Koran 2:89-90
The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam) Thus have they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith (Islam)
Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is: Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land
gravenimage says
Note that lebel *still* hasn’t said anything critical of Jihad and Shari’ah.
Mirren10 says
What rubbish, lebel. Jihad Watch doesn’t support any such thing. Since you have made this libellous statement, have the guts to back it up with *evidence*. But you won’t, because you can’t. People like you are so despicable.
lebel says
Of course I can. The question is, are you ready to accept such evidence for what it is?
I don’t think so. I have rarely met such a creature on jihadwatch.
Here’s an example from Mr. Hugh Fitzgerald, feel free to move the goalpost:
“Why is that all so hard for Infidels to believe? Why do they keep refusing to understand this? Is it because if, once it is thoroughy understood, than all sorts of unpleasant possiblilities — including a serious discussion of large-scale removal of Muslims from Infidel countries — have to be seriously considered, and everyone is afraid to do that? Why? Benes and Masaryk in Czechoslovakia were not afraid. ”
Mirren10 says
”Is it because if, once it is thoroughy understood, than all sorts of unpleasant possiblilities — including a serious discussion of large-scale removal of Muslims from Infidel countries — have to be seriously considered ”
A serious discussion on the necessity of large-scale removal of muslims from the West is not ethnic cleansing.
gravenimage says
Absolutely, Mirren. Islam is an ideology that preaches violence and violent takeover–much the same as does Fascism.
Would lebel have insisted that Britain and America should have imported large numbers of Nazis during WWII–and would he have condemned them as “racist” for not having done so?
Westman says
Lebel errs here, equating Hugh’s observation of the “possibility” of infidels having a discussion about the incompatibility and removal of Islam in the West to Hugh advocating Muslim removal from Western countries. Hugh did not advocate the removal of Muslims.
If I say that there is a possibility that Islamists will overthrow the Pakistan government, it is an observation. I am NOT advocating such. Perhaps English is not Lebel’s first language and the distinction was not understood?
CogitoErgoSum says
Wanting a discussion about the removal of Muslims is not the same as removing Muslims. Perhaps the discussion will produce some good reasons as to why removal is not such a good one — or maybe it will produce a greater number of reasons as to why it is. Who knows until we have the discussion?
Mark Swan says
We can be sure we are entering into momentous times, when nations and groups of nations will feel forced to act in ways quite contrary to what their hearts and long-cherished values now lead them to believe are possible.
Complacent Westerners, secure in their comfortable mindset, may believe (or hope) that such a calamity could not possibly occur in our modern, enlightened, civilized world. But consider the choices they will soon face.
mortimer says
Lebel DECLARES victory! After finding a discussion of hypothetical ‘possibilities’, Lebel thinks he has found a HIT on Fitzgerald. Nowhere does Fitzgerald declare he wants ethnic cleansing in anything he wrote. This quote is evidently a part of an intellectual discussion, but Fitzgerald can defend himself.
So… no lebel … that’s weak stuff. You are the one caught here INVENTING YOUR OWN ‘FACTS’ …
Lebel *HATES* facts, because they are inconvenient. HERE’S A FACT, lebel : YOU ARE A CARD-CARRYING MEMBER OF A MISOGYNISTIC, GENOCIDAL DEATH CULT. And you DEFEND ISLAMIC GENOCIDE all the while complaining that the DIRTY KAFIRS DON’T WANT TO BE VICTIMS OF ISLAMIC EXTERMINATION.
Lebel … AL WALAA WAL BARAA.
Norger says
Lebel said: “It’s hard to understand how a website that promotes forced deportation/ethnic cleansing of Muslims from Western societies respects the dignity of all human beings.”
Jihad Watch “promotes ethnic cleansing,” now that’s a fairly outrageous falsehood even for you Lebel. As several posters demonstrate above, Islam has promoted “ethnic cleansing” throughout its 1400 year history, right up until today, based upon the immutable words of Allah. What say you about this Lebel? Is there any point at which persons who adhere to such a belief system should not be welcome in western society? Have you no sense of decency at long last sir?
CogitoErgoSum says
I would say this website encourages the enforcement of current laws concerning immigration and the passage of new laws that discourage the implementation of Sharia as the law of the land. This site also encourages the use of and the defense of freedom of speech. If you don’t like that, don’t visit the website. In fact, I would encourage you to do that.
lebel says
How long have you been on here? I have been watching jihadwatch since 2004
CogitoErgoSum says
Is there a time limit?
gravenimage says
By “watching jihadwatch”, lebel of course means trying to undermine Jihad Watch’s mission of, as CogitoErgoSum rightly notes, standing against Jihad and the imposition of Shari’ah.
Really, lebel’s aims speak for themselves–and it is not pretty.
CogitoErgoSum says
I’m not really sure when I first found this site. I think maybe it was around 2009 or so but I didn’t feel the need to comment until Lee Rigby was killed —- was that 2013? That made me want to speak out more.
If you have thoughts you’d like to express you should go ahead and express them. I like hearing opposing views. Just be prepared to defend your views reasonably and in a civil manner and don’t expect never to have your feelings hurt —- because sometimes the truth hurts.
gravenimage says
And I discovered Jihad Watch and began commenting here in 2006. Does lebel think he has more authority because he has been trying to undermine the Anti-Jihad for two years longer than this? What a bizarre concept.
6woods says
Hey lebel…What the fuck does that have to do with the price of eggs? If I found out yesterday or ten years ago that islam is a horrendous cult of murder, misogyny, and mayhem, would that make me abhor it less???
duh swami says
I have read and posted here since the beginning…I don’t remember you. I do remember Darcy, Naseem, Abdullkah Mikail Dolly Buster and others, but not you. HMMM
PRCS says
Good ‘ole Naseem.
Norger says
Seriously, if you have been on this website since 2004, then surely you understand that there IS a connection between Islamic theology and Islamic terrorism.
I live in Boston, I became interested in this connection when I saw the video below of a despicable local imam (in 2004) exhorting young Muslims to “pick up the gun, pick up the sword, get out in the world and do your job.” I would suggest that you watch this. The “context” was the arrest of Aafia Siddiqui, who fled the US shortly after 9/11 and was convicted of seven counts of attempted murder of US law enforcement personnel. To put a point of emphasis on who she is, ISIS was demanding her release at one point.
Oh and years later, Ahmad Abousamra the son of the one of local mosque founders, became the man behind ISIS’s propaganda magazine. (I wonder where he learned his Islam?)
And since you have been on this site since 2004, you are doubtless aware that there have been plenty of similarly hideous exhortations from Muslim preachers, in the years since (e.g. the half dozen or so instances this year alone of imams in the US calling for the genocide of Jews; will you dare call that for what it is Mr. Lebel?). Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of all this is that these “hate preachers” are not “misunderstanding” their faith, they have entirely plausible, indeed learned interpretations of Islam. This site is one of the few places where a truly open discussion of these issues is even possible.
Step back and ponder, Mr. Lebel. You have religious leaders calling for genocide and calling for spontaneous violence in support of some of the most determined and implacable enemies this country has ever faced. You seriously think that talk about “possible” deportation is completely beyond the pale? Please feel free to move the goalposts at your leisure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUYIHRRaPmA
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gravenimage says
Swami, I remember all of those posters except for Dolly Buster (or is that Dolly and Buster?). Must have been *really* early,in any case.
Indiana Tom says
Actually the West could pour cold water on the Muslim thingy with out getting really too radical.
Enforce Borders and deport illegal aliens..
Enforce laws which Muslims break and deport them..
Stop welfare money to Muslim deadbeats.
Get rid of anchor baby and drop on soli birthright laws.
Force Muslims to speak the national language. quit catering to them in their language.
Crack down on shadow Sharia courts.
Stop using Islam religion as the basis for court rulings.
Enforce Western traditions and holidays as we used to do. No more Spring Day versus Good Friday.
Keep proceeding with Christian gatherings and if disrupted and terrorized by Muslims then hang them or deport them.
Deny Muslim prisoners radical Imams.
Force Mosques to be financially self sufficient and not rely on outside Saudi funding.
Start making blasphemy hate crime and speech applicable to Muslims, versus against Christians.
Quit giving free stuff to Muslim countries and quit the UN.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, but you see some people don’t want you discussing things such as those. A discussion would require too much thinking and too much thinking can be bad for your health if you don’t submit to a certain way of thinking.
Wellington says
Well, lebel, if Islam is the religious proto-type for Nazism, which I for one think it surely is, why shouldn’t free Western societies want fewer Mohammedans in their midst? Ditto for anarchists, Marxists, Neo-Nazis, et al?
After all, lebel, the West, which pioneered liberty as no other civilization or society ever has, does not have to commit societal suicide to prove how tolerant it is.
Islam is wicked, lebel, in its theological blueprint (and in its practice) and was founded by a brutal, fraudulent psychopath. One knows this or should know it. Thus, no free society has to extend to such a belief system and its adherents any respect. To Islam’s individual deluded followers basic rights to them must apply here in the West, but this does not equate to allowing further immigration of these spiritual Nazis to the West or to not kicking out of any Western nations Muslims already here who ACT upon a multitude of Islamic heinous beliefs, among them being death for apostasy, polygamy, and death or severe bodily harm for any criticism of Islam, Mohammed or the Koran.
Bottom line, lebel: Islam is inimical to freedom (and would be interested in your argument, if you could proffer any, why it is not—yeah, but I predict that you won’t) and free societies need not accord any respect to belief systems like Islam, Marxism and Islam which are mortal enemies of liberty.
Get this. Yeah, do so.
Wellington says
“…Islam, Marxism and Nazism…” rather than “…Islam, Marxism and Islam…”
Hmmm. My mistake here I would like to attribute, first and foremost, to just how similar Islam and Nazism really are, i.e., master faith versus master race, and similar rot along these lines. Yes indeed, lebel, a person can once in a while align Islam and Nazism as purely simpatico since they have so much in common.
6woods says
Yes, Wellington. Islam and Nazism have lots in common. Hassan al-Banna sent letters of admiration to Adolf Hitler, and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was Hitler’s guest in Berlin from ’41 to ’45. Theirs was a mutual admiration society based on their hatred of Jews. If I believed in heaven or hell, I would enjoy imagining the three of them roasting together in hell, like chestnuts on an open fire!
Jean says
6woods.
Hatred of the Jews is not the only common factor. The same goes for the central idea in Islam (often repeated in the koran) that warfare is the most virtuous way of life. Cultivating brutality and extinguishing compassion is a common goal in islam and nazism.
The Nazis made Hitlerjugend children torment animals to teach them this. I believe they gouged out kittens’ eyes. Islamic upbringing of children includes similarly cruel methods. For example in the version of Eid that centers on animal sacrifice. The children are made to participate in this, and taught to rejoice in the spilling of blood.
Indiana Tom says
Just always remember that American GI Joes fighting the Nazis in North Africa found all sorts of Adolph Hitler and Nazi propaganda paraphernalia and portraits amongst the devout pious peaceful Muslims. Just always remember that the loving peaceful Muslims spit on and cursed our GI Joes.
Never forget this!
Norger says
“After all, lebel, the West, which pioneered liberty as no other civilization or society ever has, does not have to commit societal suicide to prove how tolerant it is.”
That’s the point, in a nutshell. I think Lebel sincerely believes that all or most Muslims in the west will eventually be “won over” to the “western” way of thinking or be willing to peacefully coexist with us in perpetuity. The possibility that Islam represents an existential threat is unthinkable.
gravenimage says
I don’t think so, Norger. lebel has been an apologist for Muslim savagery here for many years. I have never once seen him say that he wants Muslims to become civilized.
mortimer says
Lebel no doubt chose his ‘PSEUDONYM’ as a sly innuendo referring to his personal principles:
Dominique Guillaume Lebel, Louis XV’s valet-de-chambres and pimp who brought him a selection of young women in the Parc-aux-Cerfs.
Joe says
Sharia condemns treating each other with respect. American law requires each citizen to respect each other as a civic duty. This is why they are incompatible.
As a Muslim you are required to hate, enslave, and kill the rest of us. Those things are against American law.
Sharia violates our laws. That is why it is illegal for you to practice your religion among us. Our law requires us to respect each other. As a Muslim, you must choose either respect (American law) or hate (Sharia). You have chosen sharia. That is sad.
gravenimage says
Why is lebel pretending that Islam–which is an ideology–is actually a race? This is obvious–so that he can act as though Infidels not wanting to be oppressed, raped, and slaughtered by Muslims are actually “racist”.
Stan Lore says
Robert is wrong. His detractors dont give a RIP whether he is right or wrong. I think they DO know what he knows, at least after he informs them of it. But, just as President Trump can find a way to provide healthcare for all, or cure cancer or destroy international terrorism and the left would still hate him and refuse him credit, Spencer tells the truth and his haters look the other way. We are polarized enough to explode or maybe implode at any time.
Norger says
They may not know everything that Mr. Spencer knows, but many of his critics would prefer to remain in willful ignorance than to consider any alternative to1000% “tolerance” for Islam.
David Grisez says
Robert Spencer is one of the most knowledgeable persons in the world on the subject of Islam. He has carefully researched and documented the main teachings of the ideology of Islam. He has written about 16 books on the subject of Islam. So he is very qualified to speak and write about the dangers that this Ideology presents to the world we live in. It is wise to listen to his warnings about Islam. It would be wise for our government leaders to listen to his warnings, so that we can properly respond to and defend our country against the jihad threats of Islam.
lebel says
“A serious discussion on the necessity of large-scale removal of muslims from the West is not ethnic cleansing.”
Of course it is. You are lying, as predicted, to protect this site rather than being an honest debater.
What about a serious discussion on the necessity of large-scale removal of Jews from the West, would that be ethnic cleaning? of course it would be, and you know it but you persist in your lies like GI.
lebel says
“This kind of thing should be going on round-the-clock, and with expulsions en masse of all those who, in identifying themselves as Muslims, refuse to distance themselves from the Jihad-verses of the Qur’an, such as 9.5 and 9.29, and who can, therefore, legitimately be held to take such things as the literal word of God and hence, their unavoidable and immutable duty. Why bother to wait for enough evidence to prove a link, in this case, to terrorist groups or to illegal immigration rings? Why is that necessary? Isn’t taking the Qur’an as the literal word of God, with all that it contains, quite enough? No? Why not? “
Here’s more calls for mass deportations of all Muslims. Just switch Muslims for Jews and you’ll immediately see it.
FYI says
Just switch Jews for muslims and you’ll immediately see it…
SAHIH MUSLIM 6985
islam’s call for a Genocidal war of annihilation against the Jews
What do you islamic apologists have to say about THAT?
FYI says
sorry repeat post…and TYPO:
Just put the Jews in regards to Sahih Muslim 6985
and you will see it is they who are the victims of any plans for “ethnic clensing”
mortimer says
LEBEL after 17 years of ‘watching’ Jihad Watch has found ONE and only one ‘DISCUSSION’ of the ‘possibility’ of removing Muslims from European countries in the many posts by Fitzgerald. But no expulsions have occurred since the Spanish Reconquista. And human rights laws stand in the way anyway, so the discussion of such a measure is hypothetical.
LEBEL then finds ONE comment from an unsourced poster who is venting, letting off steam and frustration … not a serious comment.
So one hypothetical, intellectual remark and one venting … THERE IS NO SYSTEMATIC CALL FOR MUSLIM EXPULSIONS BY THE WRITERS OF JIHADWATCH … not even a single direct call.
Lebel, YOU PROVE THAT MUSLIMS ARE UNABLE TO DEFEND ISLAM. They normally lose in debate … you have lost again.
lebel says
This quote is from Hugh Fitzgerald, there are many more. In terms of posters on here it is much much worse.
“This kind of thing should be going on round-the-clock, and with expulsions en masse of all those who, in identifying themselves as Muslims, refuse to distance themselves from the Jihad-verses of the Qur’an, such as 9.5 and 9.29, and who can, therefore, legitimately be held to take such things as the literal word of God and hence, their unavoidable and immutable duty. Why bother to wait for enough evidence to prove a link, in this case, to terrorist groups or to illegal immigration rings? Why is that necessary? Isn’t taking the Qur’an as the literal word of God, with all that it contains, quite enough? No? Why not?”
Again, the above is from Hugh fitzgerald, plenty more of those where that came from. Everyone on here knows what is meant here but no one is being honest.
CogitoErgoSum says
Are you for or against?
gravenimage says
lebel continues to pretend that Islam is a race. This should, of course, not surprise.
Note that he is unable to cite anything I said that was untrue. This does not surprise, either.
lebel says
“Note that he is unable to cite anything I said that was untrue. This does not surprise, either.”
I am really paying attention to you. Last I remember you approved of a comment that called for the removal of subhumans (muslims). It is no surprise that you defend ethnic cleansing and forced deportation
Source: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/german-mother-says-we-feel-like-foreigners-only-2-of-25-children-in-sons-daycare-speak-german
mortimer says
I am GLAD THAT LEBEL AGREES THAT ETHNIC CLEANSING AND GENOCIDE ARE WRONG … that means he now OPPOSES and ABANDONS ISLAM … Congrations, Lebel, on LEAVING ISLAMIC because it is GENOCIDAL …
Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah’s word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants
Koran 8:37
In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
Koran 21:11
How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their iniquities, setting up in their place other peoples?
Koran 2:8-10
In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will incur, because they are false.
Koran 58:5
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty. (hmmm… that sounds like 9-11, lebel)
Koran 21:11
How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their iniquities, setting up in their place other peoples?
Koran 2:89-90
The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam) Thus have they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith (Islam)
Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is: Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land
gravenimage says
What lebel is likely referring to here is my giving poster Susan B. a “+1” response for opposing Muslims forcibly segregating girls and forcing them to wear Hijab.
Here are the posts (this and mine that follows):
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/german-mother-says-we-feel-like-foreigners-only-2-of-25-children-in-sons-daycare-speak-german#comment-1976546
lebel says that opposing the oppression of girls is “nazi shit” (sorry for the profanity; his words).
vlparker says
Of course it isn’t. Muslims are not an ethnicity. As for the Jews, they haven’t committed 34,000 deadly terrorist attacks since 9-11. My guess is that Jews haven’t committed 34 deadly terrorist attacks since 9-11. Your comparison is absurd.
Mo says
@ lebel says
“A serious discussion on the necessity of large-scale removal of muslims from the West is not ethnic cleansing.”
Of course it is. You are lying, as predicted, to protect this site rather than being an honest debater.
Of course it is not. Especially since Islam is not a race. You are lying, as expected, to further your nonsense, rather than being an honest debater.
Simon Platt says
It’s a problem that in the Christian and post-Christian west, many people think all religions are like Christianity. How wrong they are!
lebel says
“The argument that “demography is destiny” has already lead to the asphyxiation of Christianity throughout the Arab Muslim world (except for Maronites and Copts); it will likely lead to the ultimate disappareance of Israel, and of any non-Muslim presence in the Holy Land, unless there is forceful removal of Muslims from that area”
How a jwatchers’ mind works:
Forceful remove of Muslims = not ethnic cleansing
Forceful removal of Jews = of course ethnic cleansing
CogitoErgoSum says
Lebel, do you think there is such thing as “religious cleansing,” that is, removal of an entire religion from a country? It’s like the removal of an ethnic group but involves the removal of a group of people who practice a certain religion. Would that be wrong and how would it differ from Islam’s objective as set for in Quran 9:29?
lebel says
Good question, I think there is. So the removal of Christians from the Middle East would be ethnic cleansing (or religious-ethnic cleansing or religiously motivated ethnic cleansing or whatever you want to call it).
I don’t think we should be trying to copy the ethnic cleansing we read about in the bible or the Quran if that’s what you’re asking. We have international conventions now and human rights.
Patrick says
There are Arab muslims, African muslims, Indian muslims, Chinese muslims, and even European/American muslims. Are you saying that all of these are the same ethnicity? What is being discussed is the deportation, not the killing, of those that follow an ideology that is incompatible with the western ideals of free speech, equality of gender, and tolerance to name a few. It does not make one intolerant to not allow an ideology that by its very nature is intolerant. To be tolerant of the intolerant makes one a fool, not wise. Therefore your premise of “ethnic cleansing” is thoroughly refuted.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes. If religion defines your ethnicity wouldn’t Christians be an ethnic group? Wouldn’t Hindus and Buddhists also be ethnic groups along with Jews? Yet, a goal of Islam is to wipe them all out so that only Islam is left. I’d say that makes Islam guilty of being an ideology that advocates ethnic cleansing. Muhammad requested that this form of ethnic cleansing be done to the Arabian Peninsula and Allah demands it be done to the entire world. A person who defines ethnicity by religion and is against ethnic cleansing should be trying to stop the spread of Islam.
Mark Swan says
Lebel knows full well that Islam’s goal is to subjugate—CONTROL—and nothing
short will due, not to any Muslim who supports this mindless goal—so of course if
this ideology has a purpose, which is surely a direct threat to a people, who they do
not outnumber yet—then of course, crowing about this would be premature.
So we get this victim ploy, which is sickening, when one considers why all Muslims
do this—there is a great hideous side to Islam that Muslims will show when
they have the numbers.
nicholas tesdorf says
Robert Spencer, one of the last sane men still standing and casting light into the dark black recesses of Islam.
James Lincoln says
Robert Spencer, I cannot thank you enough for the work that you have done, and continue to do, educating those who are willing to learn the truth about Islam.
You conduct painstaking research and document with evidence-based logic.
My compliments!
pennant8 says
I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who urged people to reads the Koran, saying something along the lines of “You won’t believe what’s in this book.”
Indiana Tom says
Most people think that we can have a free and open public debate about these issues. Not at Google.- The Good Censure.
Even getting away from islam, we have Conservative Republicans, Christians, Proud Boys, News outlets, and other groups being de-platformed.,
We really are closer to a dictatorship than most would realize.
PATRICIA KOENIG says
Anyone who likes Islam is either ignorant or evil. And willful ignorance is evil.
vlparker says
I think many of them do know much of what you know, Mr. Spencer, but that they lack the courage to say so. Much of their ignorance is willful, deep down inside they know that islam is evil, but they know that the price of saying so will be too high for them to bear.
old Sweden says
Dr. Bill Warner talk about this in “Why we are afraid a 1400 year secret”
Wellington says
Lebel can’t even distinguish between ethnic cleansing and the removal of people who, ideologically, from whatever ethnicity, seek the destruction of true freedom as mandated by Islamic theology PRECISELY because they are Muslim.
Or maybe lebel can distinguish such and is just lying. Well, whichever it is, ignorance or mendacity, lebel is no ally of liberty. At least this can be said for certain.
6woods says
lebel is a muslim. muslims lie.
lebel says
I think you failed to notice I referred to ethnic cleansing/forced deportations:
“It’s hard to understand how a website that promotes forced deportation/ethnic cleansing of Muslims from Western societies respects the dignity of all human beings”
Ethnic cleansing would be Bosnian Muslims. This site is “negationist” in its approach to ethnic cleansing of Muslims in the Balkans.
Forced deportations is what is clearly advocated by Hugh Fitzgerald. You know this of course but you’re playing with words.
FYI says
Mass-murder and Genocide is of course,happily sanctioned by islam.
No muslim can get away with denying SAHIH MUSLIM #6985.
No muslim can explain it away.
Talk about “ethnic cleansing”!
Apart from the nazis with their Final Solution,it doesn’t get more Genocidal than..
SAHIH MUSLIM #6985
islam’s evil supremacist ideology that calls for the annihilation of the Jews.
isis,hizbollah,hamas and the “palestinians” and Iran’s mad demonic mullah’s subscribe to this wicked ideology.They see it as happening NOW..in what they think is the Last Hour.
Not a word of protest from all those peace-loving muslims eh?
How they would love to wipe out the Jews and destroy Israel!
Before you muslims concoct fake,virtue-signalling,fantasy stories about “ethnic cleansing” in order to make yourselves out to be innocent lambkins,perhaps you should see if YOU will EXPLAIN….
SAHIH MUSLIM 6985{“there is a jew behind thee…kill him”}
is that not “ethnic cleansing” and Genocide?Of course it is:but muslims,being the holiest people in the world k3:110 and the “religion of peace” would never do such a thing.Honest.
Except towards..Jews,Christians,Hindus,Buddhists,Jains..
1,400 years of islamic,koranically-sanctioned ethnic cleansing,rape and pillage in the name of allah the moslem deceiver god: It just won’t go away for you muslims will it?
It’s like:all that washing and scrubbing,all that false piety and worthless fatihas just won’t wash the stain away!
And let’s not forget the Armenian Genocide:how about that for islamic “ethnic cleansing” at the hands of the pious turkish ottoman muslims?
eduardo odraude says
While I normally do not agree with lebel at all, it seems to me he is probably correct that Hugh in the past, though not in some years now, has supported forced deportation — and as I recall, Hugh did not seem to distinguish between deportations of citizens and non-citizens — arguably a crucial distinction. But how long has it been since Hugh seemed to argue in support of such deportations? I have not seen him support this in years. So if he ever supported it, perhaps he no longer does.
Meanwhile, Robert Spencer has NEVER supported that. He has always been very clearly against deportation of citizen Muslims if their only “crime” is being Muslim. Spencer without fail supports fundamental democratic norms and due process and mainstream ideas of basic human rights.
As for comments here supporting deportation of Muslim citizens, Spencer is not responsible for those. The people who make the comments are responsible.
lebel says
HI Eduardo, thank you for your honesty. My opinion is that Hugh still believes in such things but no longer publicly advocates them. What supports this opinion is that he has never publicly distanced himself from his past comments.
I do not agree with you on Mr. Spencer’s unfailing support for democratic norms but that’s another debate. I agree that Mr. Spencer is not responsible for the comments on this site.
Lydia Church says
Facts. Reason. Truth. Logic. Historical Evidence. Evaluation. Critical thinking. Dialogue. Proof. Discussion. Rationality. Discourse. Analysis. Debate.
Noble virtues of the civilized… but not of those who need it most!
Great work Robert!!!
: D
tim gallagher says
How dare you tell the truth about Islam’s evil nature, Robert? That’s just not allowed. There seem to be two groups of people who oppose your telling the truth. There are those people who seem to know nothing about Islam, whether through laziness or some other cause. Maybe it’s the wilful blindness you often speak about. As you say up above, if they knew what you know (through doing years of hard study on the subject) then they’d agree with you. The second group are maybe those left wingers and globalists who do know how violent Islam is, but, because Islam is the enemy of western, free enterprise democracies, which they also hate and want to destroy, they support islam because they figure it can help them achieve their goals. Islam is a temporary ally for them. You’re doing great work, Robert, and I don’t think there’s any work that is more important these days than what you (and some others) are doing. It obviously requires plenty of courage to get the truth out there despite the threats and hate you receive from some groups of people.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Islam faces two nightmares: mass apostasy and infidels taking Robert Spencer seriously. Actions against both will continue. In the case of the former, the genie is out of the bottle. In the case of the latter, Robert is quite capable of taking care of himself, but it does no harm for him to know that his work is greatly appreciated and that he is looked up to for his unshakeable intellectual rigour and honesty. I, for one, and I’m sure I’m not alone, have learned and continue to learn a great deal from Robert, including unlearning the trash I learnt in madrassa. Thank you, Robert. Long may you and your important work continue.
gravenimage says
+1
Halal Bacon says
every muslim is a pedophile
gravenimage says
Not exactly–but every pious Muslim supports it, which is almost as bad.
Georg says
Great piece. And shame on the liars, cowards, and slime balls who not only can’t be bothered to preserve our special heritage but aid those who would seek to destroy it. Robert has done nothing less than stand against darkness and the quisling class in return give him grief.
Robert Carrillo says
You are truly an honorable HERO Robert.
I do not use such words lightly..
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
lisalles says
Please add a like and dislike button. It makes us feel better to just click a like rather than post a reply and then have to sign on…..PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE!
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Mortimer writes: “Muslims are EASILY DEFEATED in a SCHEDULED debate, because the VERBAL TRICKS, EMOTIONAL REASONING and FALLACIES OF ILLOGIC that are the stock-in-trade of Lebel and co. DO NOT WORK in a scheduled debate.”
Mortimer, the term “scheduled debate” is new to me in any sense other than simply a debate that begins and ends at a pre-determined time. But you seem to be using “scheduled debate” in some other sense. Please explain what a scheduled debate is and why such a debate makes verbal tricks, emotional reasoning, and fallacies of illogic ineffective.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Muslims are never defeated in argument, regardless of how it turns out. They do not engage in argument. They have to already be doubting Islam for argument to begin to have meaning. Then, yes, there is every chance. For then the argument is not between the Muslim and the non-Muslim, but between the Muslim and Islam. Muslims do not leave Islam because non-Muslims have prevailed over them in argument, but because Muslims have prevailed over Islam in argument.
gravenimage says
Pious Muslims are not concerned about debating us–they just want to conquer, enslave, and murder us. This does not involve debate.
Almira says
Thank goodness there is a Robert Spencer who dares to stand up and speak the truth !
dan christensen says
The famous German officer Carl von Clausewitz came up with 3 definitions in the 19th century:
The first: “War is an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will.”
The second: “War is merely the continuation of policy by other means.”
The third: “War is a trinity – composed of violence, hatred, and enmity, which are to be regarded as a blind natural force….”.
Replace the word “War” with “The religion islam” in the above quote from a leading theoretician on war – and it still fits.
Merkel and most German contemporary politicians obviously did never read von Clausewitz. They should read Robert Spencer’s excellent analysis of islam and war.
duh swami says
If it was not for Robert and JW, I would never have known that there are no virgins in Paradise…But there are 72 raisins…
If you die in jihad Allah will give you raisins…Who says Allah has no sense of humor?
6woods says
Actually, it’s only the men who get 72 raisins. A muslima who dies in violent jihad gets 36!
gravenimage says
A woman doesn’t get anything–except the right to see her husband cavorting with those virgins.
Memo says
Many People have muslim friends. They have muslim colleagues who dont behave like wild barbarians. They have muslim doctors who take care of them. They fear jihadwatch will lead people to hate their friends. On top of that institutions that pander to muslims get muslim donations. Then there is the leftist beliefe that judging your culture as better than another one is racist. How do you reach these people?
duh swami says
Pious Muslims have no kuffar friends,,,Allah forbids it…But they can pretend friendship as long as they are pretending…
lebel says
“They fear jihadwatch will lead people to hate their friends.”
Well..yeah. I mean if what RS says is right than your Muslim buddy is using taqqiya and as soon as he feels like Muslims are strong enough he’ll rape your wife and cut your head off.
Of course you should hate your Muslim friend. here is Hugh Fitzgerald of jihadwatch with some advice:
“But as a group, the Moslems are a threat to me and those I love. Even the innocent ones, merely by being here, swell Moslem political power.”
and
“it is all those who believe in Islam who must be
treated as our enemies””
eduardo odruade says
You are going overboard, level. RS NEVER says that all or even most Muslims are using taqquiya and when strong enough will rape our wives and cut our heads off. You discredit your comments when you exaggerate.
lebel says
Hi Eduardo, I make no such claims. RS has never said that (although Hugh Fitzgerald goes much further).
My point is that if what RS says is true (Muslims use taqqiya to feign friendship to fool the infidels, that Muslims will side with other Muslims once their numbers grow strong enough, etc etc) then of course you are going to be HIGHLY suspicious of your Muslim friends.
As Hugh Fitzgerald used to say: “why should we take a chance”?
I hope I have made myself clearer.
gravenimage says
lebel is demanding that we ignore the terrible threat of Islam. But when has he ever done anything else?
FYI says
Actually the koran discourages muslims from having Jews or Christians for friends.
Of course there are muslims who don’t subscribe to that but the problem is that the koran condemns it:the more religiously “devout” the muslim and the more they follow the koran’s warped teachings,the LESS likely they are to want to be friendly.
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends.They are friends to one another.He among you who taketh them for friends is one of them”
koran 5 v 51
So a muslim who takes as a friend,a Jew or a Christian is “one of them”:an infidel.
This appaling islamic apartheid{moslems versus non-muslims} stems from k3;110 where muslims are the holiest people in the world,so why should they involved themselves with others?islam has a superiority complex.
k5:51,by the way, is in total conflict with the 2nd Chief Commandment found in both Judaism and Christianity:there is thus no ‘love thy neighbor’,no Golden Rule in islam.Just THEM{infidels} and muslims.
Sam says
Nobody can challenge you Robert. They will, however, try to silence you so you can not tell the truth. Be safe and God help you. I buy your books and support you.
jewdog says
I think that there’s a time lag in public understanding of Islam because globalization is a fairly recent phenomenon. Also, the US has seen a marked demographic shift in the past few years due to the 1965 immigration law which allowed Third World’ers greater access, only lately presenting Americans with a close-up view of such cultures. Prior to these changes, our educational system, like our immigration laws, was very eurocentric.
Keep in mind also that most people tend to identify with people like themselves, and Muslims come from a very different cultural background. Finding out about something strange takes both intellectual curiosity and effort, and most people have neither. I should also mention intellectual honesty, often a rare quality.
Despite these obstacles, awareness is happening, gradually; we just have to be patient and keep pushing.
ronyvo says
Mr. Spencer: you’re one of my heroes. Naturally, I agree with all what you say about Islam.
I have been called all kind of names (bad of course) by Americans and Muslims, and have been physically threatened by Muslims, when I started writing right after 9/11 (9/12) educating and warning my fellow Americans of the huge danger of Islam.
As A Copt I was forced to study the Koran and hadiths in high school in Egypt. As much as I hated then, now I am thankful for it, so I can answer the criticism with supportive references from their religious books.
I still do, not as much, due to advanced age and mostly, thankfully, for scholars like you, who are very capable of silenting the blind and ignorant, slowly but surly.
I believe that Islam is on life support.
Now, with our courageous and amazing patriotic president Trump the hope is shining on the horizon. The Trump effect is spreading around the world in such a short time.
Keep the excellent work.
May our Lord Jesus protect you.
Jean says
ronyvo.
Beautifully written. Thank you.
I once watched a Coptic wedding: the joy and light shining from peoples’ faces was otherworldly. I thought about how all Egyptians might have lived equally joyful lives if not for Islam.
ronyvo says
Thank you Jean for your kind words.
We Copts appreciate tremendously the blessings our Lord Jesus grants us, and display that in every occasion.
Jean says
ronyvo.
Your people brings an important message to the whole world. Thank you for existing in spite of all that is done to extinguish your light.
gravenimage says
Thank you, ronyvo.
patriotliz says
I’ve been suspended on Twitter several times, I assume for criticizing Islam for the same things that Robert Spencer posts…how do I avoid the Twitter Nazis from suspending me for telling the truth about Islam? I also tweet a lot criticizing Democrats. I don’t even know which tweet got me suspended this time and there are no pop-up instructions on how to un-suspend me. What is this “protective” shield the Leftist Twitter Nazis give to Islam? Is it because I call Islam the biggest threat to Western Civilization and they can’t imagine any “religion” being a threat to the West and therefore consider that “hateful conduct.” Or is it my tweets criticizing Democrats? Do they they think my criticism will incite some sort of “justified” violent retaliation by Muslims? There’s so much in common w/ the Leftist religion of Globalism of the Progressive Socialist-Communists and, the religion of totalitarian Islam. Whatever happened to the FREE WORLD…i.e., the incredibly shrinking FREE WORLD along side the incredibly expanding Muslim World w/ enforcement of Sharia blasphemy law?
Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says
They’ve got an irrational fear of us. A fear that if everyone becomes aware of the many evil machinations within their literature, they’ll be a laughing stock at best, attacked and killed at worst.
These are powerful emotions to want to defend, so they self project and accuse us of the very same emotions they suffer.
Imagine if the West did subject Islam to the same scrutiny as Christianity, all the literature and documentaries, debates and opinions, films even, a form of Renaissance.
Of course the problem is Christianity remains peaceful in its teachings whereas Islam would be left in tatters as an Arabic pagan ruse to gain booty, women and lands. Oops!
It’s not a religion but a poem, decades in the working out and accompanied with commentaries upon the poem or addendum to it as the centuries went by. The work of many minds and hands thank you
gordon miller says
Mr. Spencer, I’ve been following you for a long time. You seem to deal in facts. You seldom show much emotion. I have never heard you utter a hateful remark in all these years.
Lorensacho says
Robert if I were you I would stop defending myself from critics who can’t deal with your scholarly truths. Let your work do your talking. Sometimes people who defend themselves look thin skinned. You don’t need that on your resume.
alex Reid says
Mr. Spencer is peerless. He KNOWS Islam having studied its texts for 20years, or so. He featured in a few of David Wood’s satirical skits on youtube.com, “Islamicize Me”, well worth viewing by the way. On one he entered into a ‘debate’ with an Imam. As it progressed a list of leading Islamic scholars was scrolled over the screen. These were the people that refused to OPEN DEBATE with him on Islam. That alone shows how cowardly, deceitful & indefensible their position really is. The inept Mainstream Media’s, (MSM’s), viewpoints on this issue are like their assh*les: they’ve got one each. If they did the most basic scrutiny of Islam – they will see it’s Fascistic, vile, actions are simply the norm. It is decreed by their texts. If they don’t do these actions, you are deemed ‘not to be a good Muslim’. In Pakistan recently a Christian woman was cleared of “Blasphemy against Mohammed/Islam”. Riots broke out, calling for her lynching. Her Defence Lawyer has fled the country – she’s banned from leaving. This issue will continue until she’s murdered, or she somehow gets out of Pakistan. There is loads of evidence what Islam is all about. Apart from the MSM’s cockeyed view of things, Western Politicians & Authorities are in thrall to Islam, in denial & constantly making appeasing platitudes. Orwellian ‘Newspeak’ is alive, well & being constantly in use by Western Agencies. However, despite the opposition, Mr Spencer, et al, are getting the TRUTH out & people will make their minds up & see for themselves what is at stake. The personal Freedoms of the generations to come.
Elizabeth Seibel-Ross says
I appreciate your work. Well said – fair. Thank you.
Politicianophobia says
Politicians who sent CAIR salutations letters:
100 Senators and representatives: 98 Democrats, 2 Republicans– Some of the leading democrats: Richard Blumenthal, Corey Booker, Tammy Duckworth, Kamala Harris, Chris Van Hollen, Tim Kaine, Amy Klobuchar, Robert Menendez, Mark Warner, Reps: Elijah Cummings, Debbie Dingell, Keith Ellison, Joseph Kennedy, Sheila Jackson Lee, John Lewis. Aid and abetting?
somehistory says
If islam could be put on trial, Mr. Spencer could, should, would be called as an expert witness to testify to what is taught to the people who are adherents and follow the evil commands of a mass murderer, raper of children and teacher of every evil imaginable.
Those who argue that islam is good, peaceful, great, etc., would be shown by the light of truth to be impeachable witnesses.
Someday, and soon, islam will face divine Justice and all truth about this evil will be exposed. And then islam will be expunged from the universe.
Bezelel says
If the critics know what Robert knows,…That is the battle front for stealth jihad. There are some well meaning people who wish to keep their rose colored glasses on while taking a superficial look at islam. In the face of modern history alone the evidence demands a closer look at the “misunderstanders” of islam who repeated commit horrors in the name of islam. The analogy of the jar of a 1000 jelly beans with only one is actually cyanide, would you want to eat any of them?
Brian hoff says
Dear Robert you read the Koran looking for violence and you found it. You didnot want to see the peaceful part of the Koran so you didnot see any. The Koran have both type of passage in it. The muslim have to fight the pagan in Mecca who want to murder all muslim. For three year the outnumber peace loveing muslim fought the pagan ruler of Mecca. After 3 year other arabs tribes call that Allah support the prophet and many start to support the muslim thought they where still pagans thenself.
gbdz_2 says
You should read the book organized in chronological order and mind the fact that later texts replace the earlier ones if there is a conflict. Then you get the message like it is supposed to be got.
gravenimage says
“Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–wrote:
Dear Robert you read the Koran looking for violence and you found it. You didnot want to see the peaceful part of the Koran so you didnot see any. The Koran have both type of passage in it.
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The main issue is that *Muslims* have found the violence in the Qur’an–we see the results of this every day, especially in the 34,000+ Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11.
And not only is violence rife in the Qur’an, but given abrogation the verses go from less violent to increasingly violent. The penultimate chapter of the Qur’an includes the infamous Sura of the Sword:
“And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush…”
–Qur’an 9:5
More:
The muslim have to fight the pagan in Mecca who want to murder all muslim. For three year the outnumber peace loveing muslim fought the pagan ruler of Mecca. After 3 year other arabs tribes call that Allah support the prophet and many start to support the muslim thought they where still pagans thenself.
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Did all of the Jews in Arabia want to murder Muslims? All of the pagans? All of the Christians? Yet the “Prophet” and his thuggish followers enslaved and murdered them all.
And Muslims have done the same over their bloody 1400 year old history–and will do the same to us today.
WPM says
Mohammad traveled to Medina hook up with a bunch of mountain bandits made a pack with{share the booty Mohammad gets his 20 percent kick back like a good mob boss} them and murdered his way across the middle east killing robbing and raping. Even after a Jewish village surrendered murdering all males over the age of 12 and taking all female and children as sex slave or selling them inside of Medina. From start to finish the same plan murder subdue rob and rape. Lie about peace accords till they the Moslems get the upper hand ,then murder those kafirs in the host land or tax them until they are driven into poverty. .
gbdz_2 says
I strongly recommend reading the books by Robert Spencer.
There is a reason why no true Muslim will ever face him on a public arena.
His knowledge is respectable (to say the least) and there is no way to impress him with the typical cheap tricks that apologists use with laymen.
Yes, you can understand what Islam is about and once you do, you cannot unlearn it.
Read up (if you haven’t already)
Hugh Higgins says
I recommended Robert Spencer to some Facebook friends who were posting pro-Islamic propaganda. One of them replied that according to “experts,” Spencer “cherry-picked” what I called his indisputable facts. I should have replied that there are indeed plenty of Muslim “cherries” for anyone to pick, in fact too many because unfortunately they are all filled with blood.