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UK peer: “Those who live in the UK yet involve themselves in attacks against the UK are surely guilty of treason”

Nov 1, 2018 3:40 pm By Robert Spencer

He will be denounced as a racist, bigoted “Islamophobe,” of course. But what did he say that wasn’t commonsensical, and should be adopted by the UK government? (It won’t be.)

“Hate Preachers and Jihadi Brides Should Be Tried for Treason, Says Tory Peer,” by Victoria Friedman, Breitbart, November 1, 2018:

A Conservative Party member of the House of Lords has called for hate preachers and jihadi brides to be tried for treason, decrying the “inadequate sentence” of recently-released Islamic State supporter Anjem Choudary.

Former Justice Minister Lord Faulks QC called for an amendment to the Counter Terrorism and Security Bill in the Upper House of Parliament on Wednesday, adding an offence of treason to adequately punish those “waging war against your own country.”

“Those who live and benefit from life in the United Kingdom yet involve themselves in attacks against the United Kingdom either here or abroad are surely guilty of treason,” the Peer said.

“Are we too timid to call it that? Is it because allegiance to our country is considered unfashionable? If so, that seems to me to verge on the decadent, or at the very least it shows a country lacking in self-confidence.

“Those who reject the values of this country have the option of relinquishing their citizenship. But while they remain here or regard it as their home, surely they owe a duty to other citizens, who have their own human rights. This new definition of treason is a way of underlining that duty.”

Lord Faulks singled out the case of Anjem Choudary, the Islamist hate preacher who was convicted of encouraging support of Islamic State, criticising his short prison sentence and the “considerable amount of our resources will be spent on monitoring his activities” since he was released from prison on October 19th, less than halfway through his five-and-a-half-year sentence.

“What he did was undoubtedly a betrayal of his country. He acted as a recruiting agent for a group that intended to cause and has caused attacks on the United Kingdom, and which the UK faces abroad. He would be guilty of treason” under his proposal, the Peer pointed out.

Telling the chamber that some 900 British terror suspects went to Syria and Iraq during the conflicts, “described by our senior counterterrorism officer as a ‘big national security threat,’” he said they should face “immediate arrest and questioning,” saying that “brides of Jihad — who will or may claim duress or in other ways try and distance themselves from what others may have done,” are likewise traitors….

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  1. Halal Bacon says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    I like this guy

    • John says

      Nov 2, 2018 at 3:23 am

      Yes

      • Andy says

        Nov 2, 2018 at 12:50 pm

        The New Jihad: More Threatening Than Ever

        https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13206/jihad-threat

  2. Michael Copeland says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    Lord Faulks is a Queens Counsel, a senior lawyer.
    He is well qualified to speak on matters of law.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 1, 2018 at 4:18 pm

      Thanks for that information, Michael.

  3. Salome says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    I wonder if they’ve taken hanging, drawing and quartering off the books? And if they haven’t, is it going to be commuted to transportation?

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 1, 2018 at 4:13 pm

      Deport them all.

      • mortimer says

        Nov 2, 2018 at 12:15 am

        Muslims must HATE KAFIRS ‘for the sake of Allah’ and at least wish to SUBJUGATE THE KAFIRS and at least give money to help subjugate kafirs.

        Muslims who fail to HATE KAFIRS and WORK FOR THEIR SUBJUGATION are not PRACTICING ‘ESSENTIAL’ Islam … that is … they will not enter Islamic paradise because EVERY MUSLIM is required to HATE KAFIRS as well as FIGHT THE KAFIR-DISBELIEVERS.

        These ‘ESSENTIAL’ teachings must be practiced or a Muslim will GO TO ISLAMIC HELL.

        Islam actually REQUIRES TREASON as part of its teachings.

        Muslims are supposed to PRETEND TO BE FRIENDLY while they are secretly HATING and PLOTTING against the DIRTY KUFAAR.

        • Michael Copeland says

          Nov 2, 2018 at 3:34 am

          “The muslim nation is one nation to the exclusion of all others”

          Placard in Oxford Street procession
          youtube thinkafricapress video at 0.31

        • el Cid 2 says

          Nov 2, 2018 at 11:56 am

          Too many of our “leaders” are ignorant of history and the history of Islam. At very least – Robert Spencer’s “History of Jihad” should be required reading for every politician before taking public office.

      • balam says

        Nov 2, 2018 at 8:34 am

        Gravenimage: I agree with you 100 percent . Best is to ‘Throw these ungrateful SNAKES immediately out of Britain .Basically ,these Muslims are ENEMIES WITHIN who can never be trusted.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 2, 2018 at 3:46 pm

          +1

    • Joss says

      Nov 2, 2018 at 6:44 am

      I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that Blair had the charge of treason removed from the UK law – covering himself!

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 2, 2018 at 3:49 pm

        He didn’t remove the charge of treason–but he did attempt–unsuccessfully–to repeal the death penalty for such charges in 1998.

    • BC says

      Nov 2, 2018 at 7:06 am

      We had to stop transportation to American colonies after 1776, (yes many of the original Americans were criminals, mostly of a minor sort) so we started sending them to Botany Bay, Australia. Today Australia is desperately trying to keep out ‘undesirables’ having allowed a large number of Muslims migrants into the country, to their cost!
      I believe those convicted of serious crimes should lose the ‘human rights’ and serve hard time. As it is the humanitarians give them all the comforts of home, including internet and TV. Of course the humanitarians rarely if ever have to encounter a criminal

  4. gravenimage says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    UK peer: “Those who live in the UK yet involve themselves in attacks against the UK are surely guilty of treason”
    ………………………..

    Lord Faulks is right–save, of course, that these Jihadists never felt themselves loyal to Britain–or even thought there was any reason why they should be.

    Kudos to him for speaking out!

  5. lisalles says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    WE need him here in the US. However, the terrorist is not the only one who should be charged with treason. The judge should also be charged for releasing the terrorist early. The judge who sentenced the terrorist should also be charged with treason for such a soft penalty.

    It is time to go after our politicians who have allowed this and our judges who are biased against the public.

    • Anne Smith says

      Nov 2, 2018 at 6:30 am

      Good for Lord Faulks

      I fear he will now be frowned on by his party hierarchy – Prime MinisterTheresa May has not yet said one word about the Muslim attack gangs who raped thousands of British children and young women, but she has made several videos welcoming Muslims to the UK and telling us all that we must be very grateful for their contribution to our country. She has appointed the lefty lawyer Max Hill (the one who said we should welcome returning jihadis) to the top job at the Crown Prosecution Service.

      Not much hope for a return to sanity under Mrs May, I fear.

  6. Walter Sieruk says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    That’s good sense, Jihadist /Muslims who live in the United Kingdom should be held guilty of treason .
    As for example, those jihadists /Islamic terror attacks in the city of London by the brutal vehicle jihad attack on London Bridge and then their going over and stabbing people at nearby Borough Market had the combined results of multiple casualties were heinously evil and cruel to the extreme . This, as strange as it may seem to some people is in accord to the instruction of the “holy book” of Islam the Quran , For example the Quran instructs in Surah 9:123. “O you who believe! Fight of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you…”
    So those three malicious and vicious jihad-minded Muslims they violent actions were following the instruction of the Quran. Let’s face it, stabbing people with large long knifes’ and running them over with a van is a very effective way of showing disbeliever’s harshness.
    Islam a “peaceful religion” ? BULL !

    In addition, that Islamic terror attack, in London, by three jihad-minded Muslims was, indeed, as evil and treasonous as it was awful. Those jihadist/Muslims who had murdered seven people had proven themselves to be very dangerous men. After they had committed the murders those jihadists were shot and killed by the British police. Islam’s “holy book” the Quran instructs in 9:111. “The believers fight in Allah’s cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.’’
    This should tell all thoughtful people something about the actual essence of Islam.

  7. R Russell says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    I wonder if he will be arrested tomorrow for hate speech?

  8. Dawne says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    He’s completely right. They’re British and working against Britain. They are traitors and deserve a traitor’s trial and punishment.

  9. Raja says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    Some common sense from an eminent lawyer. A welcome relief.

    Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty. Vigilance would also mean weeding out terrorist and those that support a religion more devoted to rape, murder, and conquest than ever…

  10. mortimer says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 12:06 am

    QUOTE: “Former Justice Minister Lord Faulks QC called for an amendment to the Counter Terrorism and Security Bill in the Upper House of Parliament on Wednesday, adding an offence of treason to adequately punish those “waging war against your own country.”

    I thank God upon my knees for BARON, LORD EDWARD FAULKS … a voice of sanity among a DHIMMIFIED BUNCH OF CLUELESS VIRTUE-SIGNALLERS in the House of Peers.

    Most of the Peers are PROFESSIONALLY NEGLIGENT … they have not studied 1) THE JIHAD DOCTRINE, 2) THE TAQIYYA DOCTRINE 3) THE AL WALAA WAL BARAA DOCTRINE (the motive of Islamic hatred towards the KAFIR-DISBELIEVERS).

    • Anne Smith says

      Nov 2, 2018 at 6:32 am

      A large number of the Peers in the House of Lords are now Muslim. It is a very pro-Muslim House.

      • balam says

        Nov 2, 2018 at 9:17 am

        It could soon turn into’ HOUSE OF ISLAM’. GOD FORBID!!!!!

  11. infidel says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 1:26 am

    Hindu priest, who was brutally attacked in his own temple by mad animal Muslim Imama, passes away after a brief struggle in ICU.

    http://www.organiser.org/Encyc/2018/11/1/Attacked-by-Imam-Temple-Priest-in-Warangal-Dies.html

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 2, 2018 at 1:46 am

      Terrible, Infidel.

  12. henrik arboe jensen says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 3:22 am

    also the poor headchoppers have a headchop subject.Him.until they succeed hi is phobe, headchop phobe.

  13. Indiana Tom says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 5:45 am

    Wow. Somebody is actually sane in England.

  14. Brother Charles says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 6:57 am

    TOTALLY AGREE,. WHICH COUNTRY ONE ABIDES IN THENTHEY SHOULD TREAT THAT COUNTRY HAS THEIR HOME .

  15. Hector Archytas says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 7:10 am

    It won’t help against the breeding war against UK. This is the real threat.

    Those ISIS guy are dangerous if involved in bio-terrorist but those laws won’t help against this threat. Only having some kind of inquisition against those beliefs would help.

  16. Z says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 1:15 pm

    At last we hear common logic

  17. Ale blazer says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 3:35 pm

    Great guy, Faulks…

    • Michael Copeland says

      Nov 2, 2018 at 6:35 pm

      The email address of his chambers, I Chancery Lane, is clerks@1chancerylane.com

  18. Frank J Verderber says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    A true British patriot and not a subject. Obviously, MP Peer is not an Elitist puppit mouthing the empty rhetoric of the Chatham House demigods – this side of Hell. Charles the Fairy in his white flowing robes may trip-up during his Dervish whirls of whimsy, at the banter of Peer, but what will the Old Croan of Buckingham do, when her plan for economic hegemony is Trumped by one of her government. There is yet time to unmask the Whores of Babylon!

  19. Michael Copeland says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    Lord Faulks is brother of Sebastian Faulks, who said this of the Koran:

    “It’s a depressing book. It really is.
    It’s just the rantings of a schizophrenic.
    There is also the barrenness of the message.
    It has no ethical dimension.”

    https://libertygb.org.uk/news/book-reviews-koran

  20. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    It’s clearly already treason, and it always was.
    They don’t need any “new laws” to make it so.
    Just have the balls to enforce the existing ones.

  21. DP111 says

    Nov 3, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    The scale of the mass gang rapes of Infidel girls by Pakistani Muslims is so huge it is nothing short of war, with rape as a weapon of of war.

    Too, the imams were most definitely aware. Nothing gets by without the imam’s approval.

    This is not mere treason but an act of war against the realm of Her Majesty.

  22. DP111 says

    Nov 3, 2018 at 1:36 pm

    The scale of the mass gang rapes of Infidel girls by Pakistani Muslims is so huge it is nothing short of war, with rape as a weapon of war.

    Too, the imams were most definitely aware. Nothing gets by without the imam’s approval.

    This is not mere treason but an act of war against the realm of Her Majesty.

  23. dumbledoresarmy says

    Nov 4, 2018 at 8:32 am

    All Uk jihadwatchers – write now. Write to Lord Faulk and offer commendation and encouragement.

    He needs to receive *floods* of ‘love mail’ to counter the chilling effect of the threats and ‘hate mail’ he will undoubtedly receive. Let him know that he has merely stated what *many* are thinking.

    Get behind him and PUSH.

    It seems that in the House of Peers you have three people who have dared to stand up – Baroness Caroline Cox; Malcolm Lord Pearson, Earl of Rannoch – and now, *this* bloke, also.

    That’s three. It’s a start.

    Encourage them!!

    And… every single one of you here, posting or lurking, from the UK, write straightaway to your MPs and quote Lord Faulk – who most assuredly is well versed in the Law of Britain – and state that you are *totally* in favour of what he proposes – ” an amendment to the Counter Terrorism and Security Bill …adding an offence of treason to adequately punish those “waging war against your own country.””

    Of course there is a further step that can be taken, a step that must be taken to clarify the situation further.

    The Muslom jihadis and inciters of jihad within the UK are, strictly speaking, not so much citizens (in any meaningful sense) but rather, enemy aliens, colonists, “Fifth Columnists”.

    In a sense, only a native-born (to Infidel parents) Briton who *converts* to Islam and jumps into the jihad bloodbath – someone like Samantha Lewthwaite – can be strictly speaking defined as a traitor.

    The others – the Muslims-born-and-bred, whether immigrants who have very often lied and defrauded their way into possession of residency or citizenship status, or even those who are the children or grandchildren of Muslim immgirants – are essentially colonists/ invaders. Enemy agents; and when they attack, it is not so much ‘treason’ strictly speaking, for they were never truly part of Britain to begin with. They are enemy combatants, and their acts of aggression – robbery, rape, murder – are properly to be seen as *acts of war*.

    The convert to Islam – like Samantha Lewthwaite – is like those addled-headed/ evil Britons who, in World War II, colluded with the Nazis, to betray their country.

    The born-and-bred Muslim, living behind the lines of the ‘dar al harb’, is like a German Nazi spy and saboteur.

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