The political goal of the “Christ at the Checkpoint Conference” in Oklahoma was to “flip American Christian support for Israel to the Palestinians.”
In the wake of the synagogue shooting last week in Pittsburgh, activists from several mainline Protestant churches came under fire for promoting a culture of anti-Semitism in their churches, especially the United Methodist Church.
The worst offenders are usually activists affiliated with the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) and the United Church of Christ (UCC). But this year, the activists and officials from the United Methodist Church took on a leading role by hosting the controversial “Christ at the Checkpoint Conference” in Oklahoma.
Anti-semitism in the churches is longstanding, and while most of these churches are quick to claim that they’re apolitical, they are, in fact, very political. They condemn Israel and embrace the jihadist Palestinian agenda, claiming that the Palestinians are an oppressed group. They apparently know nothing of history and nothing of the jihadist agenda to obliterate Israel, as is articulated in the PLO, Hamas and Fatah charters. Or they pretend not to know in the face of charges of anti-Semitism.
The Christ at the Checkpoint Conference in Oklahoma is an offshoot of Christ at the Checkpoint Conference in Bethlehem. Some details of the latter’s cringeworthy record:
In late 2010, Israeli tour guide Kay Wilson and her visiting Christian friend, Kristine Luken, were attacked by Palestinian terrorists outside Jerusalem. Luken was killed and Wilson suffered severe injuries. Wilson approached one of the CATC speakers about speaking at the 2012 convocation, but was told that her story was “not what the Lord wants,” a phrase that is sadly abused by some Christian leaders to exercise control — akin to a kind of spiritual or psychological extortion — over the follower. Wilson then expressed dismay about “how any Israeli…. Messianic believer, could justify participating in a conference that has chosen to associate itself with theologians advocating Replacement Theology and Palestinian officials with clear ties to recognized terrorist organizations.” She further stated, “For any self-respecting person, and especially for Israelis such as myself, the endorsement of terror by association, at a Christian conference, is obscene.”
Obscene it is. Such churches not only embrace anti-Semitism, but also empower jihad terror. Recently, the Palestinian Archbishop Atallah Hanna called evangelical Christians “enemies of the Christian values” for supporting Israel, and claimed that they “do not belong to Christianity at all.”
“United Methodist Church under fire for anti-Semitism,” JNS News, November 1, 2018:
The political goal of the “Christ at the Checkpoint Conference” in Oklahoma was to flip American Christian support for Israel to the Palestinians.
In the wake of the synagogue shooting last week in Pittsburgh, activists from several mainline Protestant churches came under fire for promoting a culture of anti-Semitism in their churches, especially the United Methodist Church.
The worst offenders are usually activists affiliated with the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) and the United Church of Christ (UCC). But this year, the activists and officials from the United Methodist Church took on a leading role by hosting the controversial “Christ at the Checkpoint Conference” in Oklahoma.
The political goal of the conference was to flip American Christian support for Israel to the Palestinians. The conference soon took on a more sinister tone.
At one point, a speaker put up a slide of U.S. President Donald Trump surrounded by three of his advisers. The speaker asked the audience what was wrong with the picture.
Audience members answered that the problem was that they were Jews, apparently angry that the American president had Jewish advisors involved in the effort to achieve a peace deal.
Dexter Van Zile, a Christian scholar for CAMERA, reported about the conference. He told JNS: “At the time, when the audience was complaining about Jews in the Trump administration, I was disgusted at their flagrant anti-Semitism. But now, after hearing that the Pittsburgh gunman said the American government was ‘infested’ with Jews, I feel more than shaken by how it echoes what I heard at the Methodist-organized conference.”
“The notions of Jewish cruelty, corruption and infestation—those were all themes at the conference,” said Van Zile. “It’s now, literally, lethal rhetoric.”
The United Methodist Church’s struggle with anti-Semitism goes back several years…
FYI says
Many of these naive ,dhimmiwit,two-faced, “christians” are an affront to authentic Christianity.
Christless,Whited sepulchres like atallah hanna are de facto apologists for islam:they are a thundering disgrace to Christianity.
His holiness should stop pretending he’s a Christian:he should start by reading Matthew chapter 23 in full: his kind are referenced in it..
{Oh ,and see if these fraudulent dhimmiwit Christians will even pass the authenticity test of Matthew 7 v 21-22:if they are antisemitic ..”they shall not pass”}
Authentic Christianity condemns anti-semitism and supports the God-given right of Israel to exist,a right that anyone who has ever studied Biblical Prophecy would not dispute :and it is well-known by now about this made-up “palestine” nonsense.
I’ve encountered this united methodist “church” before;allowing islamic “prayers” to be said in a supposedly “Christian” church is a disgrace.
muslim “prayers” like the fatiha,which ALL muslims say 20 times a day CURSES Jews and christians!How dare any so called “christians” allow their churches to be desecrated by such an insult to the good God!Remember too,that Jesus is Jewish but allah CURSES the Jews k2:65
Mac-101 says
So we have the Left, and intellectually we know who has a major influence on it, who hate Fundamental Christians and support Muslims and their Terrorists. The Left hates the only group who fully supports Israel’s right to exist, Fundamental Christians. So funny and absurd it proves to me that the Left is a tool of Satan, including Leftist Churches and explains why they can’t sacrifice enough babies to Satan.
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To top it ALL off, 85% of American Jews, the worlds smartest people, support the Democrats as they work to destroy Israel and HATE Trump who is Israel’s best friend. You can’t make this stuff up! THEY have been blinded by Satan, It surely be da beginnins of da End Times. No LOL!
James Lincoln says
Mac-101,
Excellent post, my compliments.
Can any Jihad Watch reader please explain to me why any American Jews would support the left?
Mac-101 says
In the ME THEY say, “First the Saturday people, THEN the Sunday people”!
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The Sheeple must awake! Almost to late for the EU!
Gamzu says
This is complicated. Liberal Jews think their values come from Judaism, but in large measure they come from late 19th Century East Europe where our great grandparents lived and where socialism was popular. Also, historically, for Jews, the “Right” (the Russian Czar, the Cossacks, the Church, which was anti-Semitic for many centuries, etc.) was where the main threat came from, so Jews are very wary of the Right. In America, conservatives are really classical liberals, not monarchists, etc., and there is no comparison between the old European Right and the American Right, but most American Jews are oblivious to this fact and maintain old prejudices. But there’s more. Jews really are a very compassionate people and they want to help the poor and other folks in bad straits, and so they easily fall for liberals’ promises to do that. Another factor is that Israel won the 1967 war, destroying the Arab armies, which meant it was no longer viewed as the underdog, and liberals love the underdog, a role now filled by the so-called Palestinians. As a result, the support of many younger Jews for Israel is very tepid. They attend Left-dominated American universities, after all. Most American Jews fell hook line and sinker for the Oslo Peace Accords, and can’t forgive Netanyahu for defeating the Left in Israel and pointing out the fraudulent nature of those accords signed by Arafat. Many on the left also blame Netanyahu’s rhetoric for a fanatic’s assassination of Prime Minister Rabin. Sound familiar? They believe if only Rabin hadn’t been killed, the peace process with the PLO would have worked out. In other words, they live under illusions. Yet one more problem is that the Soros-funded Left-wing J Street group claims to be pro-Israel and pro-peace. It, in fact, opposes Israel on almost everything, but by advertising itself as pro-Israel, it gives cover to a lot of anti-Israel Democratic candidates that it endorses. Plus, let’s face it, Trump is not the ideal candidate to appeal to a sophisticated, highly educated audience. There is also a gender gap among Jews, with men considerably more willing to vote Republican than women. As the Dems’ anti-Semitism becomes more obvious like the British Labor Party’s anti-Semitism, Jews will begin to change their political loyalties, God-willing.
Kepha says
I believe that Gamzu nailed it–although I would see a Judaism that accommodates modernity as more a product of the German-speaking lands than of “Litva” and Galicia.
By a similar token, if the Leftists had any sense at all, they could use their pretended “compassion” to break the “Evangelical Right” with little effort. Instead, they choose to castigate us for wanting educational decentralization and smaller government; and choose us as their targets of choice for forcing employers to pay for employees’ abortions or for supporting traditional marriage. See how many of us went for Bill Clinton when, basically, he said he wouldn’t kick us (and an earlier Evangelical generation voted for FDR in droves).
Mac-101 says
Gamzu, excellent comment.
James Lincoln says
Gamzu,
Thank you so much for your posting.
To fully understand, I will have to reread your comment multiple times and then take some additional time to digest and research.
Lots of moving pieces, and yes, it’s complicated – but I didn’t realize that it was THAT complicated…
Thanks again.
jule says
Because in the past, before neo Dem and billionaire Tech donors, Dems made much more sense, were kinder and more Public, society Oriented. Only around the time of Carter & big Tech did Dems completely lose their way into big business/$$$, globalists. Republicans started this globalist thing wanting to control the seas and all other countries for ‘free enterprise’ (exploitation) with USA Controlling things. That’s why we stole Hawaii 1890’s and took ‘territories’ like Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico. Panama, Philippines, etc and made plans for the Kuwait and Gulf in early 1900’s. Who started this Trilateral globalist thing pulling in both parties? Rockefeller (from the old Big 5). Clintons went for it hook line and sinker. (with Repubs and military) Dems pretended it was to ‘help the world progress’ and get everyone out of poverty. HAAAA. Today either party is extremely faulty.
FYI says
Yes.The Cultural marxists want to destroy christianity using islam as a tool:thus they protect islam.
I hope the Jews wake up…
Mac-101 says
They will need to if we are to save Western Civilization from these barbarians!
jule says
1500’s German Martin Luther and the reformation did so much damage and the Blue Methodists of England ate it up. He wrote some book called ‘The Jews and their lies’ and promoted killing all of them. It was almost as bad as for a person to grow up Believing every word of the Qur’an was spoken by Allah. It set the stage for Hitler. I never had interest before into looking more into Luther and motives off his damage but one of my Grandmothers (who gave up religion) did brag that her ancestors were Blue Methodist Protestants from Eng. (breaking away from Catholicism) I knew Methodists were one of most antiSemitic and often thought of talking to some of their ministers about it & showing them some of the letters Mohamed supposedly had written/sent to countries.
One key to exposing Islam in the USA is getting down on the AntiSemitic attitudes and the old Caliphate including what is now Iraq, making Jewish submitters wear the yellow star or color telling everyone they were cursed but paid protection tax. So then also addressed has to be Old time Methodists, nazigroups, KKKlan, Supremacists of any kind. They do not follow the spirit of the Constitution and what was envisioned for USA.
PRCS says
“to “flip American Christian support for Israel to the Palestinians.”
Who?
Martel says
When actual belief disappears – leftist politics fills the void. The only difference is the anti-Jewish bias is coming out more clearly.
PRCS says
‘to flip American Christian support for Israel to the Palestinians”
Who?
PRCS says
Does anyone else have issues with the website’s posting system?
Posts show up anytime between “right away” and delayed?
This morning the system wanted to substitute my actual name instead of my Userid.
Lydia Church says
Yes, I have been having the same issues with delays only at certain times to comments being posted.
There may be something amiss in the wiring… by those holding the wires in cyberspace.
Guy Forester says
Maybe it is a delay caused by the internet “monitors” to find out who is posting, what is being posted, and so they can track us. Then we can all be labeled as haters, JW labeled as a hate site, and we can then all be denied access to the web. Either that or it is JW’s anti=spam program, or both.
If that sounds paranoid, just think of how the PRC and Cuba run today, and how the USSR, DDR, and Nazi Germany ran. Now what was that saying by Dr. Neimoller?
Mac-101 says
Don’t forgit da Chi-Coms “Social Score” helped developed by Google and Facebook!
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Commin to America Soon!
PRCS says
Thanks.
gravenimage says
PRCS, I have trouble every time I post with the system wanting to use my actual name. I have to carefully type in “gravenimage” every time. Not only is this a pain, but some time when I’m posting quickly I’m bound to screw this up and post under my actual name. Since I draw Muhammed cartoons and am well-known enough under my own name that my address is easy to find, this seems especially unsafe.
This hadn’t used to be the case here–this problem is just a few months old–it seems to date to the big screw up when the site went down for several days.
Mac-101 says
I hope you realize that many Mohammedans work in IT and are employed by the Agency. I’m sure they have your and mine and everyone else’s info. It is just a matter of time before they come to your door.
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gravenimage says
Mac, I don’t believe Jihad Watch is involved in any such things.
Mac-101 says
Graven, NOT Jihad Watch. Every electronic transmitted data is captured independently by both the NSA and the CIA and is stored on a gubermint contract with AMAZON in the Cloud. Those in the CIA or NSA or the other 16 agencies that Obama let have the raw data can and ARE compromised. On top of that, this data can be hacked by the servers or other rogue actors.
gravenimage says
OK, Mac.
PRCS says
Yes, since early August.
Should’ve been fixed by now.
PRCS says
I’m posting this at 7:53 pm East Coast Standard Time.
Indiana Tom says
I loathe the posting system here. Total crock.
gravenimage says
Indiana Tom, apparently there are only a few posting systems that can handle both Jihad Watch’s volume of postings and security needs. We’ve gone through half a dozen posting systems since I began commenting here in 2006–this is actually one of the better ones.
PRCS says
I can’t even remember what JW/DW posts looked like.
gravenimage says
PRCS, we had TypePad for quite some time–its major problem was that you could not reply directly to anyone’s post–so you had to reference “So-and-so’s post of 10/31 at 2:45” or some such. You can imagine how awkward and complicated this got on really long threads.
One thing I loved about it, though, was that you could look up any poster and see their whole posting history–this was *very* useful.
Then we had IntenseDebate–this seemed really great. You could–as now–reply directly to other’s posts, and–a feature all of us loved–could even edit a post until it was replied to. It certainly cut down on my typos…
But then after a while this system could not handle JW’s volume of comments, and just had a big meltdown. All comments made during this period–months and months worth–were eventually lost for good.
We had several other systems, as well–I’m not sure I remember them all.
So far this current system seems to be working at least decently–that’s why I am not quick to demand its replacement, since the others all had their problems, as well.
PRCS says
I know that post says 7:54 pm, but it didn’t show up at 7:54.
PRCS says
Well that brings back a few memories. Did you keep some screen shots or do you just have a photographic memory.
I do wish posts could be modified–once.
Indiana Tom says
So why do I not have any problems over at The Truth About Guns?
The liberals hate that site a much as Jihad Watch and maybe even more.
gravenimage says
Hi, PRCS–no screen shots; I just remember some of these posting systems pretty well.
Here’s my posting history on IntenseDebate:
https://www.intensedebate.com/people/gravenimage/
I used to be able to bring up my posting history on TypePad, but that doesn’t seem to work any more.
I’d like to be able to edit out some of my typos, as well.
Keys says
PRCS –
I responded to your post last night and it did not go through.
Tonight it might go.
Yes, many of my posts have not gone through – sometimes I get a duplicate post message, but the original never appears on JW.
Siddi Nasrani says
Quote from the article above, ” “not what the Lord wants,” ????
I think it is amazing that they have the Lords telephone number to find out what he wants !!!
I thought that what is wanted from us, is in the Holy Books.
What Sons & Daughters of Satan are they. Same on them all.
Lydia Church says
He wants the truth to be told in cases like this, not hidden.
Lydia Church says
I say in some cases… because… He obviously did not want the nazi’s to know the truth about where the Jews were hiding during the holocaust!
And nazi’s are what these people are sounding like more all the time.
gravenimage says
Yes–what a terrible thing to tell this victim of Jihad.
PRCS says
Please. Fix. The. Posting. Issues.
Pablito says
…and islums struggle with anti-Semitism goes back several hundred year.
gravenimage says
Islam’s problems with antisemitism go back to the very beginning–with the “Prophet” himself, who enslaved and mass murdered Jews. Jew-hatred is all through the Qur’an and Hadith.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Liar Gravenimage, according to obnoxious Talmud mithraist christians (Akums) are beasts who have sex with animals and killing them is a sacrifice to God. mithraist churchmen killed Jews during crusade wars and in Spain saying Jews are anti-christ. you mean all these are signs of love between you mithraist christians and evil Jews?
gravenimage says
The foul Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Liar Gravenimage
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How is anything I said about Islam being full of Jew hatred and the “Prophet” himself slaughtering Jews untrue? Of course, it is not.
More:
according to obnoxious Talmud mithraist christians (Akums) are beasts who have sex with animals and killing them is a sacrifice to God. mithraist churchmen killed Jews during crusade wars and in Spain saying Jews are anti-christ. you mean all these are signs of love between you mithraist christians and evil Jews?
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Here we see Ibrahim itace muhammed desperately hoping he can get Jews and Christians to murder each other so that they will not band together and oppose the threat of Islam. Nice try, Mohammedan…
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Liar Gravenimage, mithraist Byzantine colonisers killed and expelled Jews, mithraist churchmen carried out genocide killings of Jews during crusade wars and mithraist christian Nazis killed more than half of world Jews.
gravenimage says
There is no doubt that Christians have–grimly–engaged in antisemitism of the ugliest kind at times in their history.
But–as I noted above–characterizing the Nazis as a Christian sect is absurd. Hitler hated Christianity. (and–once again–Christianity has nothing to do with mithraism).
None of this, in any case, in any way makes what I noted about Islam’s hatred of Jews untrue. Jew hatred is a core part of Islamic scripture, as well as its vicious founder.
None of this is true of Christianity, nor did Jesus enslave and slaughter Jews, as the vile Muhammed did. In fact, Jesus was himself Jewish.
And Ibrahim itace muhammed has himself said how much he looks forward to taking part in the genocide of the Jews. This genocide is, in fact, a core part of Islam, and is what Muslims are trying to do with the destruction of Israel.
Kepha says
The difference between us Christians and you Muslims when it comes to the violence in our histories is that our holy books do not enjoin aggressive war, and we will question the rightness of “our” side at times. It seems that for you, killing, rape, and plunder is always OK if done for the spread of Islam, with all its lies (such as Jesus not dying on the cross, or the Jews seeing Ezra as the Son of God comparable to the way Christians see Jesus as such). Further, Islam boasts that its followers are the best of men; Christians admit they are sinners saved by divine grace.
Join us, Ibrahim. Lose your religion of blasphemy.
balafama says
i’ll be praying for you ibrahim .may the light of our risen savior JESUS CHRIST shine on your heart and lead you to truth .GOD BLESS YOU
gravenimage says
True, Kepha.
Terrhop says
I agree but in some in some instances it says something shocking. For instance, it states Jesus AND his followers will get to heaven first. The apostle Paul is also mentioned. Most Muslims never read the Qur’an they allow their so called holy men to tell the people what is in the Qur’an.
PRCS says
I used to be a Precinct Captain.
Our Voting Place was at our town’s the one and only Jewish Temple.
One of our volunteers was married to the Presbyterian Church’s Pastor.
I was surprised by her negative attitude towards the various religious items there.
Not so surprised now.
gravenimage says
Very grim. I don’t think all Presbyterians are like this, but this is very disturbing.
Kepha says
Speaking as someone whose heart is with traditional, confessional Presbyteranism–
I believe both that the Chosen People of God are gathered about the Messiah Jesus, and that modern Israel has a right to exist. Zionism may have been a huge mistake (based as it was partly on Ignaz Golziher’s and Gustav Weill’s mistaken belief that the Muslim world would be more welcoming towards the Jews than Hohenzollern Germany and the dying Austro-Hungarian dual monarchy), but displacing and resettling six millions is a tall order. The Arab states’ naturalization of the fourth- and fifth-generation descendants of an-Nakhbar would not be so tall an order. Further, there is not a state on this planet that is not, in some way, the product of a violent upheaval.
However, I do not believe that the re-establishment of Israel, or any talk of a Third Temple, is necessarily a sign that the end times are upon us. It is one more case of nation rising against nation, while Jesus’ plan to extend his kingdom is preaching and discipleship extending to all nations. It is clear from the book of Revelation that the redeemed people, while founded on those among the Jews who confessed the Messiah, and ever open to those of the church’s first mission field, will be of all nations, and kindred, and people, and tongues (Rev. 7:9). Wherever the Gospel of the Messiah is faithfully preached and believed, that land is thus holy.
As for an expectation of a Third Temple, what use is there for one? When John the Baptist declared Jesus to be the “lamb of God”, he was not speaking of Jesus being cute and fuzzy, but the sacrifice which would reconcile us with the demands of divine justice (Jn. 1, Is. 53). He himself bore our sins in his own body on the tree (I Pt. 2:24). The same is what Revelation means when it sees Jesus as the “lamb that was slain” addressed with the words “Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev. 7:9). Hence, I can only see the Qur’an’s assertion that Jesus was not really crucified as blasphemy, and perhaps indicative of a great tragedy in Muhammad’s having heard something of the Gospel, but comprehending it not a bit.
As for the secret rapture: I Thessalonians 4:14-18, on which many base their idea of the so-called rapture, describes an event that will not be secret, but very loud and public, with the Lord himself descending with a shout and the trumpets of the archangels. As for people being caught to meet him in the air, that’s what happens to those believers who are alive at the time when those who died in Christ are raised. Both groups are those over whom the second death mentioned in Revelation 20:6 has no dominion.
Also, at the death of the Messiah on the cross, the veil of the Temple was rent, showing the way to the most holy place was now open. Hence the letter to the Hebrews in the New Testament calls on us to avail ourselves of Christ’s sacrifice and boldly approach God to ask his grace. With the resurrection of Jesus on the Third Day, his claims to Messianic office were vindicated, and his power over man’s worst enemy proven. Hence, the generation that saw those events also saw the Temple and its ritual taken away (per Jesus’ prophecy found in Mt. 24-25).
Back in the 17th century, some of our best divines maintained that there would be a mass conversion of the Jews near the time of the second advent (their reading of Romans 1). Some believed that a national restoration of ethnic Israel would be a precursor of this event. Perhaps they were right.
At the same time, I do not pray for the destruction of anyone, but for their conversion.
PRCS–I’m curious to know what religious items your Presbyterian co-worker found offensive in a synagogue. I freely admit that I am bothered by images to which people pray (even crucifixes, or pretended portraits of Jesus–when we are given no physical description of him in Scripture)–but from the times I have been inside synagogues, I do not know for the life of me what might count as an idol in them. I suppose I am more sensitive to those used by the religions of the Far East, since my wife, before her college years, was raised in traditional Chinese beliefs. But in a shul, I would be cognizant that the Torah is just the first five books of my Bible; phylacteries and tzitzit were probably worn by the Lord and his apostles themselves while they walked about ‘Eretz Yisroel.
BTW, from what I have seen of Jewish services, I note a kinship between prayers such as the Mourners’ Kaddish and Aveinu with those we inherit from the New Testament. Common influences from the Tanakh, perhaps?
While I may see no more need for the ceremonial laws of Leviticus, since they were there to distinguish Israel until the Messiah’s coming, or that the civil law of the Israelite continues to bind (except the general equity thereof), I confess with all the Reformers that the moral law found in the Old Testament continues to be the standard for believers. This is why all Reformed (and Lutheran) catechesis expounds the Decalogue. Hence, I can only strongly condemn the murder of those eleven people in Pittsburgh, and pray for the speedy recovery of the injured. I will also add that I would have no qualms should the guilty party be given the death penalty.
I understand that the accused murderer cited John 8:44 on his web communications. The accusation that those who heard Jesus but rejected him were “children of the Devil” is no more anti-Semitic than Ezekiel’s declaration (ch. 16) that Judah was the offspring of an Amorite and a Hittite (first named among the accursed nations of Canaan). This, however, speaks of the choice of those who should know better to disregard the Word of God, whether spoken written, or Incarnate. It has no reference to the essential nature of some group of people (John Calvin, who is as Presbyterian as they come, said as much in his commentary on John). Hence, these prophetic and Gospel warnings should be heard and heeded by those who are in the church, that they may be truly of it as well as in it.
PRCS says
Been nearly 20 years.
Don’t recall each of the items (but books and the members’ DOB/DOD Tables? (in Hebrew–I believe) were some of the objects of her attention).
I VERY politely reminded her it was THEIR place and THEY had permitted us to use their Temple (including the kitchen and bathroom facilities).
Kepha says
And, traditionally, a Presbyterian minister was expected to know some Hebrew!
Walter Sieruk says
Antisemitism for the United Methodist Church is actually no surprise because there not “some” but many thing wrong withe United Method Church .This I well understand and know from first hand observation .
For example ,back the late in the year 1974 I went for what turned out to be the last and final time to a church service in a United Methodist Church in that place the minister of that church preached that it’s just a Christian “Theory.” This “theory” this U.M.C. minister said is that Jesus took the place of the sinner at the cross that He [Jesus] was being made as sinner substitute. To explain in another way, Jesus of the cross was a ransom for the sinner in his or her place.” The UMC minster not only claimed that this “was just a theological theory” but that People really didn’t need to know about it. This claim made by that U.M.C minister was an is an abomination to the Supreme Ultimate Sacrifice of Jesus of the cross. For the Bible teaches in Second Corinthians 5:21. “For He made Him who know no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” {N.K.J.V.] So God the Father made Him [Jesus]the sinless Lame sacrifice on the cross as a sinners substitute ,or ransom, for the individual sinner ,John 3:15-17, as Jesus as the only way to God the Father, John 14:6. Therefore that UMC minister was an unsaved man who was pastoring a church and also leading that whole congregation astray and leading them into and through the gates of hell. That falsehood and lying UMC minster will have to answer to God for his evil, Romans 14:12. Now in the twenty-first century the UM C had now gone further into the darkness of doctrinal error away from the Bible ,Isaiah 8:20. , by having “interfaith fellowship meeting s with Muslim clerics, such as the imams, who unbiblical, Ephesus 5:11. Some UMC minister’s even have Imams as gest speakers in their churches, who tell them complete falsehoods Christians and Muslims both believe in the same God “ Therefore the United Methodist Church had gone totally apostate.
To explain this in more detail. The way for a person to discover the truth concerning the nature of Jesus is found in the Bible verse Isaiah 8:20. This instructs “To the law of the testimony. If they do not speak according to the word, it is because there is no light in them.” [N.K.J.V.] In other words, if a religious teacher has teaching that are in contradiction to the Word, the Bible, then that teachers is a false teacher who teaches false doctrines. The Muslim clerics, as the imam and mullahs, teach and speak doctrines about God from the Quran .
As the Quran in 112 teaches “He is God alone: God is the eternal begetteth not…” Likewise, this religious book which is the entire foundation of and for Islam further teaches in 19:35. “It is not befitting to God that He should beget a son.” In great contrast the Bible teaches in John 1:14. “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory , the glory of the only begotten of the Father ,full of grace and truth.” Likewise John 3:16 teaches “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son… Then just a little further in verse 18 it is written about Jesus Who is “the only begotten Son of God. “ Other places in the Bible further teach that Jesus is the Son of God as in Matthew 16:15:16. Luke 1:35. John 3:36. First John 4:14. 15. 5:14,15. Moreover to be even more clear the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Who is God the Father. As found in Matthew 3:16,17. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. Of course , it ,very much, needs to made even more specific . The Bible teaches that Jesus is also God the Son. As seen in Hebrew1:8 and First John 5:20. The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain” this all away. As in they will try brush off all those Bible verse off by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted, through time, by Christians and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. That claim they make actually underestimate the Power of God to protect and keep His Word safe and intact ,through time, and away from the corruption of men.
In conclusion ,with the above instruction of the way to find doctrinal truth in Isaiah 8:20 and in the light of the Bible verse provided it may be clearly seen, by all those who are willing to see, that Islam is in terrible doctrinal error and it is therefore a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14;6.
In addition there is a Christian internet site which replies to the many claims made by the imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam. It’s http://www.answering-islam.org
Walter Sieruk says
One during the 1990’s on a specific day at a mall I entered a United Methodists bookstore to see the books and other item it had, To all the terrible thins that UM bookstore was selling hardback Quran
This is awful that UM bookstore called itself “Christian’ it sold Islam’s “holy book.”
We all may be sure that no Muslim bookstore would ever have Bible’s for sale
Therefore the the United Methodist Church is now embracing antisemitism is really no shock to me.
Furthermore on vest contrast and contradiction between the Bible and the Quran is outstanding.
As the following essay exposes
The way for a person to discover the truth concerning the nature of Jesus is found in the Bible verse Isaiah 8:20. This instructs “To the law of the testimony. If they do not speak according to the word, it is because there is no light in them.” [N.K.J.V.] In other words, if a religious teacher has teaching that are in contradiction to the Word, the Bible, then that teachers is a false teacher who teaches false doctrines. The Muslim clerics, as the imam and mullahs, teach and speak doctrines about God from the Quran .
As the Quran in 112 teaches “He is God alone: God is the eternal begetteth not…” Likewise, this religious book which is the entire foundation of and for Islam further teaches in 19:35. “It is not befitting to God that He should beget a son.” In great contrast the Bible teaches in John 1:14. “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory , the glory of the only begotten of the Father ,full of grace and truth.” Likewise John 3:16 teaches “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son… Then just a little further in verse 18 it is written about Jesus Who is “the only begotten Son of God. “ Other places in the Bible further teach that Jesus is the Son of God as in Matthew 16:15:16. Luke 1:35. John 3:36. First John 4:14. 15. 5:14,15. Moreover to be even more clear the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Who is God the Father. As found in Matthew 3:16,17. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. Of course , it ,very much, needs to made even more specific . The Bible teaches that Jesus is also God the Son. As seen in Hebrews 1:8 and First John 5:20. The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain” this all away. As in they will try brush off all those Bible verse off by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted, through time, by Christians and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. That claim they make actually underestimate the Power of God to protect and keep His Word safe and intact ,through time, and away from the corruption of men.
In conclusion ,with the above instruction of the way to find doctrinal truth in Isaiah 8:20 and in the light of the Bible verse provided it may be clearly seen, by all those who are willing to see, that Islam is in terrible doctrinal error and it is therefore a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6.
R Russell says
I wonder if Romans 9-11 has been removed from the UMC Bibles?
Indiana Tom says
They use the NRSV Bible which could be worse. My problem with the NRSV is that the translators were striving for more accuracy but then punked out for gender neutrality and blew a few prophetic passages in the Old Testament in the process.
BTW, the RSV turned into the ESV as Crossway bought the copyrights to the RSV.
I usually champion the NASB.
Kepha says
While I certainly approve of the NASB, and use the ESV sometimes, I tend to prefer the KJV due to respect for the Majority Text. I also use the ASV, and, when in Taiwan, the Chinese Union Version.
Indiana Tom says
KJV is Textus Receptus. NKJV is off TR as well.
cadgbd says
FringeGroups: The Quakers on Israel and China: A Study in Hypocrisy
http://www.fringegroups.com/2013/03/the-quakers-on-israel-and-china-study.html
Guy Forester says
I am no theologian, but it seems to me that the current mess in the modern Christian churches is from a lack of understanding history, both secular and Biblical.
1. Jesus, was actually JEWISH! In fact, if born today, he would probably be born into an orthodox Jewish family.
2. The Hebrew/Jewish scriptures pointed to a Messiah, that would be JEWISH from the house of DAVID.
3. The original 12 apostles and Saul of Tarsus, were JEWISH
4. The original Christian church was primarily Jews that accepted Jesus of Nazareth as the promised Messiah
5. While the current state of Israel is nominally secular, it was intended as a safe homeland for the Jewish People.
6. The original Zionist followers that returned to what is now the state of Israel, went there legally and with the approval of the Ottoman Turks. to develop that safe homeland
7. When the Zionist colonists started their little projects, the area was sparsely populated, but Jerusalem was still a largely Jewish city.
8. As the later Jewish emigrants moved into what is now Israel, they developed successful businesses and farms, and Arabs moved to the area for work.
The rest, as they say, is history, easily findable on the internet, in bookstores, and the library. Unfortunately, feel good social justice theology and politics are based on ideology, not facts or biblical theology.
Indiana Tom says
The United Methodist Church’s struggle with anti-Semitism goes back several years…
As a former United Methodist I can say with authority that this crap goes back several decades.
My Irish side of the family were Methodists since they came over from ireland in the 1840s.
We were Catholics in Ireland BTW.
It was not the easiest thing to leave the United Methodist Church although I was mostly raised United Brethren, Evangelical United Brethren, and Church of the Brethren.
Spiro says
Are they even Christian
Why do people even go there
gravenimage says
United Methodist Church under fire for anti-Semitism — and also enables jihad terror
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Just sickening.
This is actually morally *far* worse than Christian naifs who think that Muslims are all nice people and needy refugees.
PRCS says
Like our two Senators, and HRC–of course:
“Islam Is Not Our Adversary, “Muslims Are Peaceful, Tolerant And Have Nothing To Do With Terrorism”
gravenimage says
PRCS, I didn’t say that this naivite was not dangerous–it is just not as morally reprehensible as actual enabling of Jihad terror.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
According to obnoxious Talmud mithraist christians are beasts who have sex with animals. mithraist christians killed Jews during crusade wars and in Spain saying they are anti-christ. Are all these signs of love between them?
gravenimage says
Again, Ibrahim itace muhammed is trying to split the camp–desperately hoping he can get Jews and Christians to oppose each other–while he believes that both Jews and Christians should be raped, enslaved, and murdered.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
liar gravenimage, you are spewing all these lies for fear that you might be assassinated by evil Jewish death squads.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
liar Gravenimage, you are spewing all these lies for fear that you might be assassinated by evil Jewish death squads. Convert to Islam to be free from such fear of death
WPM says
Yes evil Jewish death squads killing Christians were and when in the world? Convert to Islam join the biggest death squad in the world that is it religious duty to fight the Christians and the Jews till the end of time. When your a member of Islam you can also fight and kill other Moslems that are not Islam enough ,or the wrong kind of Islam. In Islam you can never trust anyone outside your tribe or group not to kill you for some kind of offense real or imaginary of Islam or Mohammed. Death is always around the corner when you are fighting, always on the verge of tribal warfare ,ready to offense to anything real or imaginary to the easily hurt Islamic ego. Islam never lets it members be free ,they are allahs slaves , that kill each other for his amusement ,an unloving blood lusting god ,that demands his slaves even the score for offenses here on earth. He has no power to settle these scores in this world or the next. An empty vessel make the most noise when stuck ,your faith is empty vacant void that needs noise, violence, terror to keep its members in line. The people rioting over a women who had a disagreement over a drink of water at the village well ,want her and her family dead ,are they the rioters members of these “Jewish death squads” . Are the men who cut a priest throat in Southern France during mass members of “Jewish death squads”? Are the grooming gangs in England “Jewish death squad members ? Give me one case of terror performed in the name of Jewism against Christians .
gravenimage says
The grotesque Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
liar gravenimage, you are spewing all these lies for fear that you might be assassinated by evil Jewish death squads. Convert to Islam to be free from such fear of death
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So–Jewish death squads won’t murder me if I convert to Islam? How would that work?
Does Ibrahim itace muhammed even realize how ludicrous he sounds?
Spiro says
Inraham turn to Jesus he’s your only hope
Kepha says
The common denominator in the “Mainline” denominations’ condemnation of Israel and openness to the newer anti-Semitism is not “replacement theology” (Uncle Kepha could probably be accused of it himself, although he prefers to think of himself as an “additionist”) or recovery of the New Testament’s polemic (which should more accurately be read as an intra-Jewish tiff and continuation of the Hebrew Bible’s prophetic lawsuit), but a pervasive Leftism.
The Jews are evil not because the New Testament curses them (which, in light of Romans 11 is scarcely tenable), but because they are in conflict with the “Palestinians”, who, as “anti-colonialist” strugglers and erstwhile political clients of the late Soviet Union, are ipso facto seen as “righteous”.
These same Mainliners, after all, were willing to castigate Paul as anti-feminist, and are embarrassed because the Old and New Testaments treat homosexuality as sin. They were also more than willing to pit Jesus against Paul, and (in 1940’s Germany) jettison the Old Testament (never forget that it was acceptance of the higher criticism of the Bible, not Confessionalism Lutheranism that informed belief in an “Aryan” Jesus). They are also willing to castigate belief in the atoning character of the crucifixion (preferring to see it as some kind of martyrdom) and turn the resurrection into a metaphor.
By the way, I refuse to say Jesus “was Jewish”. He rose from the dead, and, as both wholly God and wholly man, rules from Heaven, where, in his human nature, he surely remains “Jewish”.
The Jewish plot to put the world under the rule of a Jewish king is Christianity–and Uncle Kepha has, by God’s grace, signed on.
applefool says
Jesus was Jew.
No Fear says
My ancestor John Lees built the first Methodist chapel in Australia in 1817. I am horrified by this news. I thought the Methodists had more freakin brains than that. 🙁
Elizabeth Thorne says
Ibby, The Thighing Master vs Mad Devil Trump, I will put my money on ” Mad Devil Trump”. Lay down Ibby, close your eyes and let your social illness take you to your 72 virgins and all your little boys. It IS time for you to say goodbye freak.
Kepha says
I object to everyone saying “Jesus WAS a Jew”: He IS one, since he stayed dead for only three days.
Yitz says
I would like to add to gamzu the reason secular jews lean to the left ideology is they have abanded the torah of their ancestors and adopted the new idol worship called liberalism.as in ancient history there were similar times such baal worship and helenism during the reign of the greeks. Eventually the torah won.may we witness this in our time.(gamzu letov)