How generous, compassionate, and merciful!
The Qur’an teaches that men are superior to women and should beat those from whom they “fear disobedience”: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
Muhammad’s child bride, Aisha, says in a hadith that Muhammad “struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: ‘Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?’” — Sahih Muslim 2127
“Mahmoud Al-Habbash, Advisor to PA President: Men May Only Beat Their Wives When They Are Disobedient,” MEMRI, December 1, 2018:
Mahmoud Al-Habbash, who is an advisor to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said that the only situation in which a man is ever permitted to beat his wife is when she is “being disobedient, crossing the line, [and] violating the sanctity of matrimony.” He said that even under these circumstances, the man may not hit his wife in the face or in a fashion that causes harm, injury, or excessive pain. He said that men must remember that their wives are partners rather than maids or slave girls. Al-Habbash was interviewed on Palestine TV (Palestinian Authority) on December 1, 2018.
Mahmoud Al-Habbash: The one and only situation – and it is very limited and very rare – in which a man is permitted to beat [his wife] in a manner that causes no harm, that leads to no injury, that avoids the face, and that does not cause much pain… It is only permitted when his wife is being disobedient, crossing the line, violating the sanctity of matrimony, and violating the sanctity of the household and the family. Other than that, any kind of beating, abusing, or cursing of one’s wife is haram. Men must realize that their wives are not maids or slave girls. They are their partners.
mortimer says
That’s not what the Koran LITERALLY SAYS, so this guy is MAKING UP HIS OWN VERSION of the Koran. HE IS RE-WRITING ALLAH’S ETERNALLY ‘VALID’ WORDS.
Mahmoud Al-Habbash IS A BLASPHEMER.
Mahmoud Al-Habbash IS SMARTER THAN ALLAH.
If so many Muslims are SMARTER THAN ALLAH, then they don’t need dopey Allah or misogynist Mohammed.
FYI says
imran khan certainly seems to think he is smarter than allah;he PUBLICLY denied allah’s teachings in the koran,cast aspersions on TWO prophets muslims believe to be associated with islam{Moses,Jesus}..what a genius!….he should have stayed with Cricket.
How dare imran khan insult allah and the koran!
How dare he! How dare imran khan INSULT allah so PUBLICLY!Readers of JW will not stand for muslims insulting allah and PUBLICLY denying the contents of islam’s holy book,the koran..muhammed’s Winged Flying horse buraq must be turning in its imaginary grave.
But muslims of course don’t get IRONY…it’s THE “religion of PEACE”,the koran is the “perfect” book with no errors*,cross-dressing,illiterate,uneducated, pedo-polygamist,black-slave owning,camel-pee drinking muhammed is the “perfect” man.{And all of those remarks about perfect mo,from camel pee drinking to slave-owning, can be found in the hadiths so muslims cannot deny them.Thank allah for the internet:islam’s greatest destroyer}
isn’t it obvious?The word “perfect” means IMPERFECT in islam.
*Well except for the EPIC theological ones,the multiple scientific and logical errors ones:the koran is “perfect” in the way the number 13 is a perfect square and a 26 volume set of Encyclopedias with 20 volumes missing ..is a perfect,complete set.Not forgetting the antisemitism,the antiChristianity….
mortimer says
I’m delighted FYI … YOU GET IT. Muslims are actually claiming today that they are SMARTER THAN ALLAH and they are also SMARTER THAN MOHAMMED.
Mohammedans have to RE-INTERPRET THE DOPEY, DUMB and CONTEMPTIBLE things that Mo and Allah has said so as to be SOMEWHAT TOLERABLE in today’s world.
THEY THINK WE WON’T NOTICE.
We MUST show this to Western people so they are no longer DUPED by IDIOTS like DOPE FRANK, the dhimmi pope and other Western ENABLERS of this MISOGYNISTIC CULT!
Mohammed said, ‘No man will be asked why he beat his wife.’
THAT is the correct interpretation.
Anjuli Pandavar says
“Mohammed said, ‘No man will be asked why he beat his wife.’”
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Exactly, Mortimer, which of course makes complete nonsense of “only when his wife is being disobedient” and all the incredible contortions that Muslim apologists are forced to put themselves through to deny that the Qur’an says what it says *and* avoid contradicting what it says.
Abu al-Walid ibn Rushd, one of the mediaeval world’s greatest philosophers, spent years trying to reconcile the Qur’an with rational thinking, not because he was trying to apologise for the Qur’an, but because he was trying to conceal his disagreement with it from the ever-vigilant ulama. Yet even he couldn’t do it (*and* they got him in the end). Today’s Islamic apologists, many of whom cannot string a coherent sentence together, drown in cognitive dissonance, yet they keep trying.
The only point with which I would disagree is “They think we won’t notice”. I think they *know* very well that we notice (except for the ulama, of course, who are so far up their own arses, they don’t even notice what freaks they are). Yes, our exposure of their sacred texts is important to apologists and they fight hard to counter that exposure, but they have at least two, in their eyes, more formidable, adversaries.
If they are non-Western, then they are more concerned with not falling foul of the judgement of other Muslims. So even if they look like complete idiots to everyone else, what matters is that Muslims see them as on the side of the Qur’an. If they are Western, they have this problem too, but additionally, they have their own Western values and ethics, i.e., their own humanity, to reconcile the Qur’an with.
If you’ve grown up with civilised values, it is simply impossible to accept anybody being *inherently* superior to anybody else (men vis-à-vis women, whites vis-à-vis blacks, heterosexuals vis-à-vis homosexuals, and of course, Muslims vis-à-vis non-Muslims) and being entitled to beat that, own them, or murder them. You’d have to be pretty f*cking primitive to think these things are OK, yet you cannot/dare not contradict the Qur’an (on a societal level, mass Muslim migration takes care of this problem). Not contradicting the Qur’an while at the same time finding a way of living with yourself is a bigger problem for Western Muslim apologists than our pointing out their ridiculousness to them. They are not impervious, though (unlike the non-Western counterparts), and sooner or later they simply cannot keep their heads from exploding. At this point they either apostatise or become reclusive or both.
Go back, say, ten-fifteen years, and look at who were the most bold, vociferous and public apologists for Islam, and see whether you still find those people around today. They haven’t died off, because they were almost all young and media-savvy. They’ve gone to ground, and I would say that our role in that is not that we’ve persuaded them, for they’ve actually been persuaded all along, but we’ve raised the pressure in their heads so much that they could no longer lie to themselves. Dropping off the radar altogether is the only way they can come clean. Sure, it’s cowardly, but at least they’ve rendered themselves harmless, and we can claim some credit for that.
mortimer says
Thank you, Anjuli for your very perceptive remarks. Your insights are right on: you have seen that the little wheels are actually turning in the Muslim brain… they are back-tracking on the Koran… they back-tracking on the hadiths … they are back-tracking on Sharia law. Islam is intellectually in retreat. There is no stopping it, for Islam cannot be defended ethically, historically or logically … Muslims are giving up defending Islam.
We see that in the number of debates going on … fewer all the time, as Muslim apologists are forced IN DEBATE to admit their arguments are weak or totally fallacious.
A number of former Muslim apologists have appeared in videos saying that while they prepared for debates, they had to EXAMINE the arguments AGAINST ISLAM in order to refute them, but they found that the arguments AGAINST Islam were entirely VALID ONES.
It is entirely VALID to say that Mahmoud Al-Habbash cannot support the Koran AS IT IS WRITTEN … he has admitted that the KORAN’S MESSAGE OF BEATING A WOMAN FOR MERE *SUSPICION* of rebellion is morally wrong.
So, to Mahmoud Al-Habbash, I say, ‘IF THE KORAN IS MORALLY WRONG about beating for *SUSPICION*, THEN the KORAN IS FALSE and YOU ARE SMARTER THAN ALLAH, SO YOU DO NOT NEED IMMORAL ALLAH or his IMMORAL book.’
Peter Rijs says
Quran (4:34) – “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” Contemporary translations sometimes water down the word ‘beat’, but it is the same one used in verse 8:12 and clearly means ‘to strike’.
Quran (38:44) – “And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath…” Allah telling Job to beat his wife (Tafsir).
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (72:715) – A woman came to Muhammad and begged him to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.
Sahih Bukhari (72:715) – “Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'” Muhammad’s own wife complained Muslim women were abused worse than other women.
Sahih Muslim (4:2127) – Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain.”
Sahih Muslim (9:3506) – Muhammad’s fathers-in-law (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.
Abu Dawud (2141) – “Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them.” (This is graded sahih – authentic. It is also reported in Sunan Ibn Majah 9:1985, also graded sahih) At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives. As the hadith indicates, he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings in a Muslim marriage were deemed necessary at times to keep the woman in her place.
Abu Dawud (2142) – “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.” The authenticity of this chain of narration is characterized as daif (weak), however, a similar verse from Sunan Ibn Majah 3:9:1986 is said to be hasan (sufficient).
Abu Dawud (2126) – “A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: ‘I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet).’ The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: ‘She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her'” A Muslim man thinks he is getting a virgin for a wife, then finds out that she is pregnant. Muhammad tells him to treat the woman as a sex slave and then flog her after she delivers the child. (Despite multiple chains of narration, this hadith is graded as daif).
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 969 – Requires that a married woman be “put in a separate room and beaten lightly” if she “act in a sexual manner toward others.” According to the Hadith, this can be for an offense as petty as merely being alone with a man to whom she is not related.
Kash-shaf (the revealer) of al-Zamkhshari (Vol. 1, p. 525) – [Muhammad said] “Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it”
J D S says
More stupidity in Islam…AND THE WORLD STANDS STILL!
mortimer says
The Koran actually says, “IF YOU *FEAR* DISOBEDIENCE, beat them”.
The test is ENTIRELY *SUBJECTIVE*.
Paranoia is normative Islam, rather than an aberration.
Wellington says
Seconded, mortimer. Ah, Muzzies either stick to what their religion says, which is sick, or they don’t stick to what their religion says, which invariably is equally sick.
Overall conclusion here: There is no redeeming Islam. Start from this premise and so very much will start to fall into place in a good and noble way.
mortimer says
Muslims realize that the LITERAL WORDS of the Koran are out of sync with modernity and CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED with creating chaos. They want Sharia IN THEORY ONLY until it is implemented … then Muslims FLEE TO FREE WESTERN COUNTRIES that do not have Sharia.
Then, after arriving in Western countries, Muslims begin imposing the SHARIA THAT THEY WERE FLEEING.
mortimer says
Correction: (Sharia) cannot be imposed WITHOUT creating chaos.
MUSLIMS like Mahmoud Al-Habbash are explaining that ALLAH DID NOT SAY WHAT HE SAID.
WHAT A MORONIC CHARADE ISLAM IS and what a FRAUD Mahmoud Al-Habbash is !!!
revereridesagain says
I read somewhere recently that 68% of Democrats have a favorable impression of Islam. How exactly does that square with the #MeToo movement and the general hatred of (specifically white, Western) men being promoted by the Left?
As for Mahmoud Al-Habbash, what say I was your wife (and there’s a case of Fate Worse Than Death) and experimented with kicking you lightly in a particularly sensitive spot — though not your ugly, stubble-covered face — in a manner that “does not cause much pain” if you were “disobedient”? Fair enough?
mortimer says
Egad, revere, you’re almost correct! IT IS A 56% approval of Islam by DEMS and 39% among GOP!! I am appalled at this massive ignorance.
This is from PEW research http://www.pewforum.org/2017/02/15/americans-express-increasingly-warm-feelings-toward-religious-groups/
“Democrats and those who lean toward the Democratic Party express somewhat warm feelings toward Muslims, giving them an average rating of 56 on the feeling thermometer, up from 47 in 2014. Republicans and those who lean Republican, meanwhile, rate Muslims at a much cooler 39 degrees, though this is up 6 degrees from 2014.”
It is a TRICK QUESTION, though. They did not ask “WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS TOWARDS ISLAM, JIHAD or ISLAMIC TEACHINGS?”
Many individual Muslims simply IGNORE the Islamic teachings of hostility and enmity towards kafirs and those Muslims act humanely.
Elaine says
This is the most ungodly thing I have ever read. any man or woman that would live by such ungodly rules needs to be put away for life. Men are to honor their wives and protect them. The Koran tell them they can share their wives and bring other women in the home to bed with while the wife watches. My God these peole are going to pay the most ending price of all sinners. May they somehow come to know the Real God, the Creator of Heaven and earth.. God All-Mighty and His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. The 3 in ONE…………… And America has welcomed such to a nation founded by Godly men that served the true God.. . God help us…………
mortimer says
Yes, Elaine, the god of Islam says, “IF YOU SUSPECT A WIFE IS DISOBEDIENT, BEAT HER WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE …” The punishment depends on the Muslim male’s ‘FEELINGS’ or even his PARANOIA..
Appallingly backward. Any vicious bully is fully justified by this Koranic verse to beat his wife whenever he wants.
Mohammed explained this verses AND DISAGREED with Mahmoud Al-Habbash … Habbash is WRONG.
The following Hadith is graded Sahih by Darussalam.
“Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.”
— Sunan Abu Dawood, 11:2142 see also Sunan Abu Dawood, 11:2141
mortimer says
Elaine, never allow a friend to date an Afghan…
According to HRW 2013 report, Afghanistan has one of the highest incidence rates of domestic violence in the world. Domestic violence is so common that 85 per cent of women admit to experiencing it. 60% of all women report being victims of multiple forms of serial violence.[53] Afghanistan is the only country in which the female suicide rate is higher than that of males.[
gravenimage says
Yes–and Afghanistan stands out because it is almost 100% Muslim.
gravenimage says
Advisor to Abbas says a husband may beat his wife “only when his wife is being disobedient”
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What–not when the Muslim just “fears” disobedience? Mahmoud Al-Habbashmust be a “moderate”!
More:
He said that men must remember that their wives are partners rather than maids or slave girls.
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So beating maids and keeping and beating slave girls is fine? Of course it is–this abuse is all perfectly Halal.
God, I hate Islam.
mortimer says
Egg – zack- ly !!! He admitted he supports the ENSLAVEMENT of KAFIRS.
gravenimage says
Grimly true–not a big surprise.
mortimer says
NOTE IN THIS INTERVIEW that Mahmoud Al-Habbash IMPLICITLY APPROVED OF SLAVE GIRLS !!!!
gravenimage says
Absolutely, Mortimer–I noticed that sickening detail, as well–moreover, he is saying that they can be beaten even more severely than Muslim women.
mortimer says
Egg-zack-ly ! We have to get the rest of Western people aware now so that they ALL SPOT THESE DISCREPANCIES and WEASEL WORDS.
Max says
Is it not ironic that the same feminists that are accusing all Western men of being abusive to women, would see nothing wrong with a Muslim saying that a husband may beat his wife when his wife is being disobedient?
marsha says
women are treated as property; with their parts cut off; their bodies covered, no freedoms whatsoever; think it is time to reverse the tables and beat the crap of ANY man who even touches his wife/mistress/child to hurt them for ‘disobeying’. who the hell made these asshole rules to begin with; oh, I forgot, old mo himself. he is one dumb sob and why do people believe that shit anyway????
juliette says
It is time to turn the tables on those who want to ‘punish’ their disobedient wives. Let’s give it back to them. They cut off women’s parts for control; they beat them if they look cross-eyed at someone else; they have to completely cover themselves; this is absolutely ridiculous. It only proves that mideast men have NO control over their sex drives and unable to act civil.
Time to tell those who made these stupid rules, mo and his followers, to take a hike. Anyone who believes this stuff is nuts.
mortimer says
Thanks Juliette … you go, girl. But they will call YOU a ‘hater’ for standing up for women’s dignity.
They will cut you off facebook, twitter and youtube if you say that.
We are having the noose tightened around our freedom of expression. The LIBTARDS are helping Islam to impose Sharia law.
European pagan says
Why is islam not illegal?
mortimer says
This MISOGYNISTIC, PATRIARCHAL, XENOPHOBIC DEATH CULT SHOULD be illegal.
60% of Islam is already against the law in most countries.
FGM, jihad terrorism, enslavement, child marriage, second hand status, killing apostates, honor killings … ALL OF THAT IS ILLEGAL in most places.
In theory, those things are illegal in many Islamic countries, but police look the other way.
Anjuli Pandavar says
EP, thank you for asking the most important question of all.
Benedict says
Could this directive from another kind of apostle be an alternative to Islamic wife beating?:
Wives, in the same way, submit yourselves to your husbands, so that even if they refuse to believe the word, they will be won over without words by the behavior of their wives when they see your pure and reverent demeanor.
Your beauty should not come from outward adornment such as braided hair or gold jewelry or fine clothes, but from the inner disposition of your heart, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in God’s sight. For this is how the holy women of the past adorned themselves. They put their hope in God and were subject to their husbands, just as Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him lord. And you are her children if you do what is right and refuse to quiver in fear.
Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.
mortimer says
Muslims find this Koran verse embarrassing but they are clearly allowed to beat their wives for any reason and they are not answerable for it to anyone.
Benedict says
But do you find this quotation from 1 Peter 3 equally embarrassing or embarrassing at all, M?
mortimer says
Ben, it is irrelevant … the tu quoque is constantly used by Muslims to show if YOU CAN DO IT, then WE CAN DO IT.
It’s simply a question of WIFE BEATING …. yes or no? I say no wife beating.
Lock them up if they do.
Carol the 1st says
Benedict…Why in the world would anyone find those biblical verses embarrassing? They are not at all in the oppressive spirit of Islam – not even at its mealy-mouthed best.
gravenimage says
Benedict has many times urged Western women to wear the Burqa and Niqab, and to force their daughters to do the same.
gravenimage says
Also note that Benedict does not say anything negative about Muslims beating their wives. This comes as no surprise.
victoria says
I guess we know how Muslim men can treat their maids or slave girls. All bets are off.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Victoria, wives all bets are off, too. Qur’an 4:34 says simply, “beat them”. That’s it. It has none of the weasel words that Muslims today try to qualify the verse with. “beat her [with a twig][with a toothbrush][lightly][so as not to leave any marks][etc., etc., etc.].” Even cruel, horrible, Palestine now finds it necessary to roll back Allah’s words. That says something about civilisation encroaching on Muslims (but don’t raise your hopes too much).
duh swami says
‘Don’t you know you are an Eve’?…According to Tabare, ‘Allah afflicted Eve for what she did with that snake…Allah said he used to create women intelligent, but because of Eve he would now create then stupid…Stupid women must be beaten regularly to remind them of their self worth……Allah willing, and he always is…
dan christensen says
“… It is only permitted when his wife is being disobedient, crossing the line, violating the sanctity of matrimony, and violating the sanctity of the household and the family…”
And the judge of these hypothetical ‘crossings’, violations and transgressions is:
WONDER & SURPRISE – the husband!
So the husband who is guardian, police, prosecutor, defense, custodian and executioner.
That is what the muzzies call the highest pinnacle of gender equality.
What if the husband is crossing the line, violating the sanctity of matrimony, and violating the sanctity of the household and the family???
Norman Moffatt says
This is what my Qur’an says, 4:34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, as God has given some of them an advantage over others, and because they spend out of their wealth. The good women are obedient, guarding what God would have them guard. As for those from whom you fear disloyalty, admonish them, and abandon them in their beds, then strike them. But if they obey you, seek no way against them. God is Sublime, Great.
Indiana Tom says
a husband may beat his wife “only when his wife is being disobedient”
Not according to Ani Cyrus.
a husband may beat his wife when he thinks his wife is being disobedient”
Jack Holan says
Just how many wives does Abbas possess?
Keys says
And a follow-up for the esteemed muslim advisor: when may a muslim kill an infidel ?
terry says
“Just “get in line” and there’ll be no problems.”
Tell that to your wife.