The bans on “Baby, It’s Cold Outside,” ironic in this age of gangsta rap lyrics full of violent rape imagery and open and unapologetic misogyny, are being rolled back here and there after listener outcries, but they’re still instructive. They show an intersection of Sharia sensibilities with the harsh and angry puritanism of some radical feminists.
The Muslim Brotherhood’s great theorist Sayyid Qutb has been called “the father of modern [Islamic] fundamentalism.” He sharpened his distaste for the West while living in the United States from November 1948 to August 1950. His disgust with the gaudy materialism of postwar America was intense, and “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” was, for him, Exhibit A of American decadence. In Greeley, Colorado, where he lived for a short time, he was thoroughly scandalized by a dance after an evening service at a local church: “The dancing intensified. . . . The hall swarmed with legs . . . Arms circled arms, lips met lips, chests met chests, and the atmosphere was full of love.” The pastor further scandalized Qutb by dimming the lights, creating “a romantic, dreamy effect,” and playing a popular record of the day: “Baby, It’s Cold Outside.” He regarded American popular music in general with a gimlet eye: “Jazz is the favorite music [of America]. It is a type of music invented by [American] Blacks to please their primitive tendencies and desire for noise.”
“Baby, It’s Cold Outside” provides one clue to the recurring question of how the Left and Sharia supremacists could ally.
“CBC reinstates Baby, It’s Cold Outside amid audience reaction,” CBC News, December 11, 2018:
Citing audience input, CBC has reversed its decision to remove the holiday track Baby, It’s Cold Outside from seasonal playlists….
In late November, a Cleveland radio station announced it had stopped playing Baby, It’s Cold Outside in response to listeners who took issue with the call-and-response tune, in which one singer attempts to cajole the other to stick around and not leave.
Other U.S. stations followed suit, though several — including stations in San Francisco and Denver — have also added the tune back onto their playlists after conducting listener polls.
Last week, CBC and two other broadcasters noted the song had been removed from their musical rotations this year, sparking multiple headlines, opinion pieces and vigorous debate on social media. The controversy also appeared to send different versions of the song up holiday sales and streaming charts, according to music outlet Billboard.
Bell Media, which runs a pair of 24-hour Christmas stations, said it hadn’t included Baby, It’s Cold Outside on its playlist this year and didn’t plan to reintroduce it in the future, according to a spokesperson.
Rogers, which operates several all-Christmas music stations, said last week it had removed the song without noting a reason why. There is no change to the earlier decision, Caitlin Decarie, communications manager for Rogers Radio, said Tuesday afternoon.
Grizzly says
“The dancing intensified. . . . The hall swarmed with legs . . . Arms circled arms, lips met lips, chests met chests, and the atmosphere was full of love.” & “a romantic, dreamy effect,”. THAT is what Sayyid Qutb was scandalized by?… love?! If that doesn’t tell you volumes about what Islam is about, then you were born without a heart or soul or mind.
gravenimage says
True. There is no love in Islam.
Muslim troll Ibrahim itace muhammed has said that anyone who marries for love should be killed.
BC says
There was a song way back in the late fifties, called ‘Wake up little Suzie’ by the Everley Bros. Which was about a young couple falling asleep at a movie, if I remember correctly. It aroused the moral hackles on some ‘older’ women in UK, who I believe got it banned on the BBC. Times do not change much for some people
Grizzly says
I never knew that was what that song was about! Interesting. Except for the chorus, I’d never really listened to the words.
Grizzly says
Oh, & don’t forget what Qutb said about Blacks & their “… primitive tendencies…”!
revereridesagain says
An “atmosphere full of love” — what better to scandalize a bitter, scowling, austere acolyte of the Religion of Hate, that formulates male-female relationships in terms of male ownership, dominance, and punishment. FGM. Child marriage. Forced/’arranged” marriage. First cousin marriage, low IQ’s be damned. Rape. Multiple wives. Sex slaves. Beatings for “suspicion of disobedience”. Stonings for doing what those young Americans were doing in that basement.
Sometimes I drive through town with Dean Martin crooning “Baby It’s Cold Outside” right out the open driver’s window. It’s New England and yes it sure is cold outside but it’s worth it just to flip off the shade of Sayyid Qutb and the local clueless leftists who think Islam is a “religion of peace”.
Dave says
Maybe the song reminds muslims of their prophet and his child bride, Aisha
Dave says
Why does anyone need to sign a non-binding agreement to allow unfettered migration? Don’t sign if you have any doubts about the ‘non-binding’ bit. It sounds dodgy to me. Those ropes? Don’t worry. They are non-binding!
gravenimage says
Good post, revereridesagain.
Carol the 1st says
Looking up the lyrics (as sung by Dean Martin) one can, of course, see the *huge* problem from the muslim point of view (nothing must distract from their Allah What’s-his-Name obsession, and alcohol is – of course “haram”). But what’s the gripe from western Leftists? Any clamor regarding this sweet song surely serves to illustrates their desire to confound and obliterate grounded past values and habits and to thus leave people alienated from their own natures and thus from one another. This orchestrated nonsense will enable Lefties and their chums to more easily walk our minds down the next garden path they have in mind for everyone.
Meanwhile the more obvious “truth” is that women *are* the “gatekeepers” (as illustrated by the songstress role) while men stand as the complementary and balanced “opposition”. For men the “persuader” role comes naturally and can be quite demanding, rewarding and “creative” (in the sense that 1 +1 = 3 as per Mother Nature’s fundamental design).
Carol the 1st says
Four valuable speakers in the video below. The second speaker is Debra W. Soh and she has a PhD in Sexual Neuroscience from York University. She addresses the subject of Bill C-16 in Canada and the damage caused by teaching unnatural and unproven gender “science” to our young (25:20 to 39:30):
BILL C-16 and COMPELLED SPEECH: One Year Later
Carol the 1st says
There’s a petition to support Trump in his binary definition of gender (and among other side effects to protect women and girls rights) There are some interesting facts listed in support of this petition and anyone who agrees can sign it:
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/uphold-the-scientific-defintion-of-sex?fbclid=IwAR2MIWDXou8MetumAFq4jvvxJdbiNMS1ku6sxnOApOlhZOeNtW5fxQxPPYk
gravenimage says
The idea that this gentle song is about sexual coercion is absurd. I actually have been the victim of rape; there is nothing offensive about this song.
mortimer says
The Red-Green Axis sees an opportunity to normalize censorship and is going for it.
Westman says
“Jazz is the favorite music [of America]. It is a type of music invented by [American] Blacks to please their primitive tendencies and desire for noise.” — Sayyid Qutb
What a musical dummkopf was Qutb. Jazz is an American development from which R&B, R&R, and modern Country music evolved. Where is that Islam contribution, again? It must be somewhere on a top 40 chart, right? Maybe if they put some rhythm to those, rap-without-rhythm, nasheeds they would sound less like a bull in pain or heat.
I can tell you, as someome who has spent 15 years trying to emulate some black, white, Asian, Russian, Israeli, and yes, Arab jazz greats, that it isn’t noise(ok, maybe John Coltrane in a rotten mood). Oscar Petersen, Bill Evans, Ahmad Jamal, Dave Brubeck, Miles Davis, Clark Terry, Monk, Ella, etc. All drove innovation, you know, bida is betta, in jazz.
I’m playing, “Baby it’s Cold Outside” this season and if anyone complains I’ll ask, “How long have you been living without a companion that loves you?”
Frankly, Islam is insanely jealous that it has fallen so far behind the West and its adherents are going there to have the things it cannot produce. Qutb is no exception – his solution to failure is to destroy the competitor.
The West is in a superior position not because of human physical strength, but only because a minority pursued the principles of an unseen world found in physics, electronics, genetics, microbiology, etc, while Muslims bowed down to Allah and squashed curiosity.
Now the world is dependent on the unseen world that too few understand; which puts the Tech giant companues in a more powerful position than the US Congress. We have just recently witnessed them blowing off a tech-ignorant congress.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
So some people want to ban the very song that so horrified Sayyid Qutb, when he heard it at a church dance, as chaste as all get-out, in Greeley, Colorado, almost 70 years ago. Thanks for the memory, Robert — that is, thanks for your memory, in pulling up the name of the song at just the right moment. This could be made into a telling vignette for radio listeners: Sayyid Qutb, the fanatical Muslim recoiling at the sight of a church square dance (‘The dancing intensified. . . . The hall swarmed with legs . . . Arms circled arms, lips met lips, chests met chests, and the atmosphere was full of love.”) and having to hear the positively satanic “Baby It’s Cold Outside.” That might alert some listeners to the nature of Islam. And not to be overlooked is Qutb’s racist remark” “Jazz is the favorite music [of America]. It is a type of music invented by [American] Blacks to please their primitive tendencies and desire for noise.”
gravenimage says
+1
IanB says
Qutb’s last comment: “Jazz is the favorite music [of America]. It is a type of music invented by [American] Blacks to please their primitive tendencies and desire for noise.” is typical of Islamic racism towards blacks that has been prevalent since the so-called prophet Mohammed’s time.
St. Croix says
The Arabs were the traders of black slaves to start with in recent history… I have an old French Tintin book “Coke en Stock”, and it’s about secret slave trade, in black slaves, by Arabs. Tintin discovers them in the hold of the ship which was supposedly carrying some other kind of cargo. I wonder if this book has been banned now?
You can ban the book, but the Arabs still keep slaves. I was listening to a memoir about working in an upscale resort hotel in the Carribbean–the person recounted the challenge of keeping a famous American black activist guest from encountering another guest staying there at the same time, a Saudi sheikh and his entourage, which included numerous slaves. Uh-huh. In this day and age. No one seems up in arms about that.
They’d rather get mad at tweets or remarks on facebook expressing concern about Islamic terror–and getting laws passed so they can start throwing those people in jail or slapping them with fines…as is already happening in the UK. The same agenda is being pushed here in North America. Anti-blasphemy laws must be crushed in the cradle. Don’t let those be passed!
somehistory says
One account of this story said that “one” listener complained and the song was removed from the play list. “One” person out of how many thousands, and the song was removed.
Dean Martin sang the song and it’s a little difficult to even understand the woman singing the other part. But, it’s much ado about nothing. He wants her to stay and share the fire as opposed to going out in the winter air. According to the daughter of the man who wrote it, he wrote it for himself and his wife and they sang it together at parties.
gravenimage says
Here’s the classic Dean Martin version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaflZPQhtmE
Enjoy!
somehistory says
I have listened to him recently…he had such a smooth voice, easy to listen. and didn’t sound even a bit sleazy as has been implied. Just a fun song. His daughter said much the same about her father, what a nice guy he was.
Others might also enjoy listening. Thanks for sharing the link.
gravenimage says
Glad you enjoyed it, Somehistory!
somehistory says
I looked it up several days ago when I saw the story from FOX and couldn’t recall all of the words. It has been sung by many, but DM is the one I found easiest to listen to.
I just figure that most can look up the info for themselves, so don’t usually put links.
One of my brothers was a professional singer, but I don’t recall him ever singing this one.
DogOnPorch says
Original from “Neptune’s Daughter” (1949)
FYI says
“the atmosphere was full of love”
So that famous Disco song from the 70s would probably upset muslims..
“Love is in the Air”
It might translate into Arabic as “Jihad is in the air”
Lydia Church says
Random miscellany:
1. There is a difference between the secular and the church. As a Christian I do celebrate when the church has an influence on the world, and not vice versa, even though we won’t ‘usher in the kingdom of paradise’ before its time since that belongs to Jesus.
2. I’m not a big fan of secular music to say the least, but don’t take that to mean I don’t listen to anything other than Christian, (and I don’t mean this modern stuff or most of it). I like classical, cultural music, some mellow varieties, and so on. But most of secular music is on the gutter level, and today’s rap is a prime example. In addition it incites people towards racism and violence… I just heard a sample the other day that put a chill down my spine. As a Christian I don’t approve of most secular modern music as it has anti Christian lyrics and themes. But… that’s me.
3. On that note, I don’t think a church is the right place for a play like that. It might be a decent play, I haven’t seen it, but church is too holy a place for some entertainment like that. That’s another thing.
4. Even some of those old ‘Christmas’ songs are suspect. Now, before you go thinking I’m totally paranoid and moonlight as the holiness patrol (I will spare you the time and confess to the second part, and disprove the first part).
“In the meadow we can build a snowman, Then pretend that he is Parson Brown.
He’ll say “Are you married?” We’ll say “No, man. But you can do the job while you’re in town.”
If you knew a man and he asked you if you were married, and you said ‘no, but you can do the job when you’re in town,’ what would he take it to mean? Some may think that’s being overly picky, but today almost every song is about fornication and lust. Think about it. Anyway, when I said I live by the Bible, I meant it. If some want to call me a ‘puritan,’ then so be it. I will wear the star proudly.
Now if you really want to complain about materialism, go listen to ‘Santa, Baby’! It is funny, but I’m grateful I’m NOT that woman.
5. Sometimes people have a confused way of mixing up the sharia patrol with Biblical Christians like me but in another way, because of things like being against abortion, homosexuality, and other sins. There are similarities but the difference is crucial. It may sound trite, but we are right and they are wrong. It is the difference between being extremely good or extremely bad, both are ‘extreme.’ Only in opposite directions. We do live by the Bible above all other laws. We can’t hold hands in some core and common neutral intersection ground and ‘lay our differences aside.’ If they want to persecute us for that, so be it, and it is no surprise either since Jesus said it would happen.
6. Now for the link between sharia and the ‘me too.’ I noticed this a long time ago. The women were all complaining of being exploited, manhandled, sexually violated, etc. And often at the interviews the women would wear these skimpy outfits. Someone would say something about how they dressed in an inviting way, and if they wanted to be taken seriously they should not look so alluring, and other scenarios like that. All of this seemed to be begging the invisible question or comment ‘why don’t women just dress more covered up,’ or ‘why don’t women just stay out of that area of work,’ and similar things like that. Well then it would be a form of sharia. Now sometimes I did think they did reveal too much. But where do you draw the line? Anyway I noticed some links between these issues. One thing though that I did not agree with, with what the women said, and this goes for anyone anywhere, was when a sleazy man would proposition a woman in a certain way and say that they can’t get such and such a role as a movie actress if they don’t perform (blank) sexual favor. That is not the same thing as rape. It is extortion in the sense that jobs need to be procured by merit and nothing less, not by bribes, not sexual favors, etc. and to threaten someone that they won’t get the job otherwise is oppression. Yet it does not force anyone into sex such as rape does. The woman can simply say ‘no,’ and walk away. Granted, she won’t get the job, she was wronged, the system is corrupt, etc. She should complain, and there you go. But she does not have to have the sex. She does not have to get that job either. There are other jobs. At times people are wronged without getting anything in return, like by a thief. People suffer as victims of corruption, bullying, greed, and sin all the time all over the world. I don’t need to get into all that again about why, do I? The sin nature. It is bad. But it is life.
7. And yes, when it comes to corruption, we should fight it. But not by acquiescing and conceding to being part of the problem. By resisting and exposing and being part of the solution.
gravenimage says
You find Winter Wonderland offensive?
Here’s the song if anyone is interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkFP0VwpPRY
Enjoy!
gravenimage says
“Baby, It’s Cold Outside” ban shows intersection of Islamic and #MeToo sensibilities
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Yes–I’m glad plenty of sane people complained.
And note: Qutb’s description of this bacchanalia was actually a church dance in small Colorado town in a dry county in 1948. Just the fact that Infidel men and women could mix, listen to music, and dance he found scandalous. The “filthy Kuffar” were probably drinking lemonade, as well…
As important, note that while “moral” Muslims are scandalized by such matters as this, that child marriage, forced marriage, polygamy, rape in Jihad, and the keeping of infidels as sex slaves is perfectly Halal,
somehistory says
To the moslim, everything clean is dirty, and everything evil, is clean.
Just as the prophet Isaiah said would happen..
gravenimage says
True, Somehistory.
WPM says
To many Moslem men any kind of socializing between men and women is impossible .I think they thrive on violence because of the way women are just objects to them to be pursued like money fame and power. Any kind of talking, joking ,power sharing ,kindship with women ,would undermine their easily hurt ego that they are not the center of everything important in this world. An innocent song with a man and a women in front a fireplace on a cold night night enjoying each other company on equal footing with no sexual overtones drives then insane .
gravenimage says
Spot on, WPM.
Carol the 1st says
Oh, but there are sexual overtones. No apologies needed (except perhaps for Auntie Qutb off in the corner).
IanB says
Qutb’s last comment: “Jazz is the favorite music [of America]. It is a type of music invented by [American] Blacks to please their primitive tendencies and desire for noise.” is typical of Islamic racism towards blacks that has been prevalent since the so-called prophet Mohammed’s time.
DogOnPorch says
We all know Ricardo Montalban is the REAL problem and not Islam…right? (laughing)
somehistory says
Montalban played just about every nationality. needed for the screen.
Timo Beil says
Eight years ago persephonemagezine wrote:
this is a song about sex, wanting it, having it, maybe having a long night of it by the fire, but it’s not a song about rape. It’s a song about the desires even good girls have.
and
“Say, what’s in this drink” is a well-used phrase that was common in movies of the time period and isn’t really used in the same manner any longer. The phrase generally referred to someone saying or doing something they thought they wouldn’t in normal circumstances; it’s a nod to the idea that alcohol is “making” them do something unusual. But the joke is almost always that there is nothing in the drink. The drink is the excuse. The drink is the shield someone gets to hold up in front of them to protect from criticism.
http://persephonemagazine.com/2010/12/listening-while-feminist-in-defense-of-baby-its-cold-outside/
The Song is liberal and feministic in true sense.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link.
Brian hoff says
Not all muslim are like the muslim brotherhood that hated music. In the middle east there are quit afew muslim singer.. Than muslim own del carry arabic music by arab singer as both arab christian and muslim stop there. The Islamist clothing industry is now than 485 billions dollar ayear bussine. You cannot blame if Nike want apeice of that market.
gravenimage says
Does “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–have a problem with his more pious coreligionists banning music–often by violence? He certainly doesn’t say so.