Erdogan wanted to weaken the Saudis in order to strengthen Turkey’s bid to be once again the leader of the Islamic world. The Western media eagerly played along, wanting to use the Khashoggi murder as a stick they could use to beat Trump, as well as to weaken the opposition to the Islamic Republic of Iran, and burnish Obama’s legacy, the Iranian nuclear deal. So Turkish intel and the Western establishment media happily cooperated with each other, their goals coinciding.
This indicates once again that the establishment media is not by any stretch of the imagination an actual news source. It’s just a propaganda organ for the Left.
#Erdogan also admitted that #Turkey's National Intelligence Organization (MIT) runs the campaign to publicise #KhashoggiMurder, said whatever the Western press, especially the US media, asked of the intel agency were met by MIT which is led by his confidante Hakan Fidan. pic.twitter.com/p0D6iBB0gv
— Abdullah Bozkurt (@abdbozkurt) December 1, 2018
Andy says
God Raises Up Kings or Nations and Removes Them
https://www.wake-up.org/morality/god-raises-up-kings-or-nations-and-removes-them-larry-w-wilson.html
Elisha says
The West’s rejection of God’s truth and His sacrifice on the cross at Calvary, in preference to the philosophical delusion of Darwinism, is plain to see in the punishment it now receives from Him, just as the rebellious Israelites, over and over and over again:
“I will make justice the measuring line
And righteousness the level;
Then hail will sweep away the refuge of lies
And the waters will overflow the secret place.
Your covenant with death will be canceled,
And your pact with Sheol will not stand;
When the overwhelming scourge passes through,
Then you become its trampling place.
As often as it passes through, it will seize you;
For morning after morning it will pass through, anytime during the day or night,
And it will be sheer terror to understand what it means.” – Isaiah 28:17-19
“You only have I chosen among all the families of the earth; Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.” – Amos 3:2
Johan Elzinga says
Erdogan is a dangerous idiot but Mohammed bin Salman is an even more dangerous psychopath. He had is own family tortured.
Saudi Arabia employs the death penalty, which sometimes is carried out by gunfire, and usually in public, in response to a wide variety of transgressions, including murder, adultery, atheism, and sorcery and witchcraft. (theAtlantic.com). As an atheist this does not make me feel any better. There is no real difference between the views of the clerics in Saudi Arabia and in Iran, except that Saudi Arabia is seen as an “ally” and it would economically and politically be suicidal to confront Saudi Arabia too much about its medieval practises. “The European Saudi Organization for Human Rights, a human-rights group, said 146 people were executed in 2017, slightly less than the 154 executed in 2016. “. Executions are usually performed in public.
J D S says
They are all Muslim countries….nuf said!
jule says
The problem is the coallition of Turkey/Muslim Bros worldwide, alQaeda, Qatar. Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, the leaders in Iraq, plus some others. They are starting the War. Too bad we need Saudi. Fix them After. The choice of what is building is worse and bigger. I think Pompeo really gets it. I am so grateful he is around. Mattis is old fashioned, out of date but if he listens to Pompeo there is hope. We are in for trouble as we knew. I hope more people begin to see. I will hate to say “We TOLD you so” because at this point they will be victims suffering from their own ignorance. (just like people who deny that the pollution is not affecting our weather. We TOLD YOU SO)
Mac-101 says
The crazy thing is why do the Globalist Elites want Edogan’s Sunni and Iran’s Shia BOTH strethgend? THEY must really want one big of a BANG for WWIII! Only THEY will survive?
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Kinda like the question I asked yesterday. I Obama a Globalist, Muslim or BOTH? Why did he strengthen the Muslim Brotherhood (SUNNI) and Iran (SHIA)?
gravenimage says
Hi Mac. Recall I noted yesterday that it is possible to condemn the torture murder of a journalist while still acknowledging that Turkey has been cynically benefiting from this.
Mac-101 says
I do NOT condone this either, but some things just need ignored. Gross acts against humanity are committed daily around the world. If he was involve in plottin against the Crown Prince and was a double agent then I would expect that they tortured him savagely to uncover more info.
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That would explain why he went into the Saudi Embassy and the Turks were watchin him. The Turks wouldn’t have known if he was compromised or not. Or they could have known and sent him in to be slaughtered to benefit from this as they have..
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ISIS fighters around the world should be tried via Nurnberg Trials and receive the same sentences. Instead they receive gubermint bennies when they return to their home Western Countries . Crazy!.
gravenimage says
Oh, I image the Turks just had the embassy bugged–this is what unfree states do.
And I would take the claim that Khasoggi was plotting the murder of MbS with a large grain of salt–often Muslim states react like this to *any* criticism, warranted or not. Of course, Muslims also plot murder all the time, so it is not impossible.
And–with all respect, Mac–I don’t think we should have to ignore *any* Muslim savagery. I know I don’t intend to.
Mac-101 says
Not to ignore Muslim savagery must mean you are dedicated to destroyin Islam, since it is their RELIGION dedicated to Satan that spans ALL this evil!
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What would really be funny if the Saudis paid da Agency to debug their Embassies and da Agency bugged them instead. Of course the Turks could have put a wire up his butt also! Not found until too late. LOL!
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gravenimage says
Mac, I would *definitely* like to see an end of the practice of the vicious creed of Islam. I would like to see it as defunct as the worship of Baal.
Mac-101 says
Graven, We ALL would. Most likely will NOT occur till the Second Comin! Satan’s peeps doin Stan’s business!
Rob Crawford says
He wasn’t a “journalist” — he was an Islamist propagandist. The “journalist” lie expired long before he did.
And, frankly, I think the Turks killed him.
Mac-101 says
As they say down here in KinTuckE, “Just ain’t be no tellin”!
gravenimage says
The Turks are, no doubt, a brutal bunch themselves–not sure how they would have gotten into the Saudi embassy in order to use it for hours to torture Khashoggi to death.
That he was known for criticizing the Saudis makes it more likely that they murdered him.
jule says
Thats what I have wondered for a long time: Turkey, Turkey inside Germany, Qatar, Iran, Hezbollah & every Muslim Bro in Egypt, Syria, US, Canada, Australia added to alQaeda, Nusra, al Sham all of them in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Pakistan’s Deobandi ETC. Do you think our CIA really knows what is going on when it is so clear to us? So why support the Death to Saudi cry which along side Death to Israel, US and anyone who does not bow down to Islam? And How can the ignorant nazigroups, Supremacists fall right a mob against Israel that will strengthen Islam? Are they THAT ignorant?
jule says
I feel pretty sure Pompeo Gets it. He is our hope. I would vote for him as President but he is GOOD IN HIS PLACE NOW. A problem is people don’t look at the whole picture but just one country. Most People do not see the coalition of Iran/Hezbollah, Hamas, Turkey, Muslin Bros, Qatar, Muslim Bros all over including Malaysia, Indonesia, Germany, Canada, US everywhere. Turkey started the war. I think its on.
May G-d, if there is one, give us strength and wisdom.
Its as hard talking to the left about it as it is talking to the right about Pollution hurting our weather or the extreme danger of naziwhiteSupremacists against Israel. The Right weakens us and the left weakens us.
Renate says
Khashoggi was Muslim Brotherhood and Erdogan is, too. He’s after the “Caliph” title for himself. I still like MbS.
gravenimage says
MbS is still a standard Muslim thug having his rivals tortured to death, though–standard Islam, I’m afraid.
Mac-101 says
Unfortunately you don’t rule in Islam by bein a good guy. Goodness is viewed as weakness. Brutality as strength! When dealin with Western Neo Bolshevik Globalist it’s the same. Only 5% of the Russians supported Lenin and 25% the Kerensky government and the Orthodox Church. They lost out to unbridled Terrorism and brutality. Hitler took over Germany with only 33% of the popular support and massive ANTIFA type thugs. Soros KNOWS what he is doin!
Renate says
Sad, but very true.
Renate says
Muslim Brotherhood members are not little angels. Sometimes you fight fire with fire. MbS knows how they roll over there.
gravenimage says
Khashoggi himself was a nasty piece of work.
But the Saudis will not stop at murdering supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood–they will go after *all* critics of their vicious regime. I don’t think we want to embolden this.
Renate says
I just wonder what you think of our Western leaders, the Globalists, who pass themselves off as so progressive, but they’re importing cultures that are violently hostile to us to replace us all. They’d never say they were being malicious to their own people, but that’s what it amounts to. They’re hardly benevolent towards us. They’re sneaky about it, too.
Rob Crawford says
I’m not going to complain when monsters kill each other. Why are you?
jule says
Because when dinasour/King Kong size Reptiles fight like cats on your country, they squash every thing round. and if they use anything toxic, it will carry with the wind round the world. In Ignorance (and for profits at any cost) we let them grow too big. And NOW What?
jule says
The problem is the choice between Saudi vs the Banded together Turkey/Iran/alQaeda-Muslim Bros in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, S.America,Germany, Iraq Shia & Sunni, Canada and US, all over.
Turkey started the War We need Saudi and we needed Russia. Even I did not see how much damage Soros did, even in Ukraine, with his Global intentions, not evil but totally misguided and with NED, Agribusiness/Chevron. The War is on, I think but Pompeo does get it. I hope he has a plan.
jule says
Its Turkey (Turkey in Germany) Qatar, Iran Hezbollah, Hamas, Iraq, and ever Muslim Bro with alQaeda in Egypt, Syria, Canada, US, Indonesia, Malaysia, ETC. Its really growing. Too bad we do have allies in China, Russia. This is going to be very very bad. How could we have let this happen?
Mac-101 says
Ground Works for the End Times bein played out? So many bad decisions for Western Civilization and Humanity bein committed by out Elites, just makes me believe only Satan can be influencing them for the End Show!
jule says
I know exactly how you feel, as I have also, but I still think its MAN & not a ‘devil’ I do believe in entities though and many life forces we cannot see. Maybe they influence but its ultimately up to us and what we do. There is just so much ignorance and people who care for nothing but a big bank account.
Don’t you thin Pompeo gets it? I do. But I hope he has a plan.
Mac-101 says
Jule, there is so much Evil in this world and Evil in you and me. A righteous people suppress the Evil within us to attempt to do G-ds work.
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As for Pompeo, I don’t have a clue. I had served under General BeTrayUs and would have followed him through the Gates of Hell. I needn’t tell you how he ended up betrayin us over the Benghazi incident and has now gone to two or there Bilderberger meetings and runs a globalist think tank!
jule says
I do not believe there is evil in you Mac
I do not believe there is ‘evil’ in me either
Wrestle/struggle with the invisible power like Jacob (and I did with help)
Your a right on guy.
Mac-101 says
Jule, Thank you for the kind words. However I must confess if I was born a Muslim or a Communist or a NAZI I most likely would be as fanatic and as Evil as they come.
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Thankfully I was born in a Christian/Judeo Nation and have been workin as hard as I can to be a Christian, even though I be a sorry excuse of a sin laden back sliding Christian wanabe.
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If I was born into a Satanic Nation I could easily have been as ruthless as the society required without thinkin twice. I have studied and seen/lived in these totalitarian and Islamic Paradises upfront and am convinced 100% that they are Satanically motivated.
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We have the Neo Bolsheviks in our country workin as hard as THEY can to destroy America and turn her into just another 3rd world hole in the NWO.
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So once again thank you for your kind words and PLEASE say a pray that I stay strong to the end and continue to Speak Truth to Power as the Spirit drives me.
gravenimage says
Mac, having grown up in a violent, abusive family I have a pretty good idea of what I would have been like if I had grown up under Islam. I *know* I would not be cruel to others; that is not part of my character, even when I was sneered at for *not* being cruel.
But being abused and with no hope in sight, I would probably have wound up one of those who tries to keep their head down, ineffectually try to blunt some of the violence perpetrated against others, and mostly try to ignore the horrors being perpetrated around and to me as much as possible, and just despair as I would see people I loved abused or–even worse–wind up as abusers themselves.
Not very pretty.
Here, I left as soon as I could; under Islam there would have been no escape.
Mac-101 says
Graven, So True. In Islam there is only ONE escape for most, DEATH!
Mac-101 says
Trump was correct in wanting better relations with Russia that drove the Donkeys wild, while the Donkeys were getting hundreds of millions of dollars for the Russians. Red China is a major threat to the USA and Russia in the next 5 to 10 years!
revereridesagain says
“The Godfather”, Islam style.
marc says
good analysis of how Edogan played the media and governments.
http://securitystudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/SSG-Firehoses-in-the-Khashoggi-Case.pdf
What a joke though, one of the biggest enemies of journalists of our times Edogan, crying about a journalist.
And I mean real enemy of journalists, not just hurting their feelings and calling them out, but imprisoned and disappeared.
gravenimage says
So true, Marc–but Erdogan is hoping that others will not notice.
gravenimage says
Erdogan: Turkish intelligence orchestrated anti-Saudi campaign in Western media over Khashoggi murder
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Yes–we have been seeing this.
The fact that there has been a smear campaign does not, of course, make the torture murder of Khashoggi any less appalling, nor does the fact that Khashoggi himself was Muslim Brotherhood.
More proof that there are no good guys in Islam–just bad and worse.
Mac-101 says
So True!
Wellington says
+1
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mac and Wellington.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr spencer, what do you want Turks to do? To cover up the gruesome murder of khashoggi because idiot bastard murderer Ibn salman has been serving the interests of armed robber and brigand evil United States and cooperating with fascist evil Zionist State of Israel in that grand plan to exterminate Palestinians and residents of Sinai and Golan height territories for the expansion of fascist evil Zionist State? Remember, the CIA found that it was idiot bastard murderer Ibn salman who ordered the gruesome killing of khashoggi with fiat from savage mad devil Trump and leader of all evils Netanyahu, and that is why evil Netanyahu has been going up and down to cover the matter. International community will never allow that to happen, and even the American lawmakers where both Congress and Senate agreed that it was evil bastard murderer Ibn salman who ordered the killing and vowed to take action,which will be done in the coming weeks.
Wellington says
Ibrahim: The murder of Khashoggi allows once again for mentioning the four givens in life, i,e, 1) death; 2) taxes; 3) Muslims killing non-Muslims; 4) Muslims killing other Muslims. The last two overlap with the first of the four givens and the last of the four givens is far preferable to the next to last.
N.B. “Mithraist Christians” and Zionists are not a problem for the world at large. They are only a problem for deluded followers of Mo. You come to mind.
gravenimage says
+1
Rob Crawford says
Go visit a Saudi consulate.
jule says
You have a few facts all wrong. Islamists are brilliant at making ruthless aggressors look like poor victims. You think Muslims anywhere are just victims who get provoked & have to fight for defense? Have you read the Qur’an/Hadiths? WE HAVE. We know how bad it is and Spencers book lists all the facts brought about by the instructions in Qur’an/Hadith Manual of Warlords for conquer and control. Even of their own with fear and terror.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr spencer, what do you want Turks to do? To cover up the gruesome murder of khashoggi because idiot bastard murderer Ibn salman has been serving the interests of armed robber and brigand evil United States and cooperating with fascist evil Zionist State of Israel in that grand plan to exterminate Palestinians and residents of Sinai and Golan height territories for the expansion of fascist evil Zionist State?
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Where to start with this load of crap? Barbaric Saudi Arabia is no real ally of ours, nor of Israel’s–they don’t even allow people with Israeli passports in the country.
As for our being “brigands”, note that Ibrahim itace muhammed has called us “international brigands” for not allowing Muslims to enslave us.
This whole thing is rich, in any case–Ibrahim itace muhammed is no champion of journalists–he has said many times here that freedom of speech should be violently crushed and those engaging in it tortured and murdered.
There is no Israeli plan to exterminate Muslims. This is more projection–he himself has said how much he looks forward to taking part in the genocide of the Jews.
More:
Remember, the CIA found that it was idiot bastard murderer Ibn salman who ordered the gruesome killing of khashoggi with fiat from savage mad devil Trump and leader of all evils Netanyahu, and that is why evil Netanyahu has been going up and down to cover the matter.
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The idea that Saudi Arabia assassinated one of their critics at the behest of the US and Israel is not only calumny, it also makes no sense whatsoever. America and Israel don’t assassinate their critics; Muslims do.
Moreover, far from covering the story up, it has been covered widely in both the American and Israeli press.
More:
International community will never allow that to happen, and even the American lawmakers where both Congress and Senate agreed that it was evil bastard murderer Ibn salman who ordered the killing and vowed to take action,which will be done in the coming weeks.
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Ibrahim itace muhammed citing the American Congress and Senate here is hilarious–he has sneered before that Islam is going to destroy American law.
And when has he ever had a problem with Muslims murdering other Muslims? Apart from their murdering Infidels, this is usually his favorite thing.
underbed cat says
Erdogan may have promoted the story of Khashoggi’s murder for his benefit, and the Saudi intelligence may deny they had a directive but both leaders know the Quran and if there is one thing that should be clarified about the doctrine of the Quran which is their law and taught in mosques is that the doctrine obligates muslims to strike terror into the hearts of the non-believers such as Christians, Jews, and atheists. The second obligation is to be silent of this obligation of warfare that would have an effect of shining a dark light on the doctrine and to deny it’s existence although it is in the Quran and doctrine, it might be the worst crime and is punishable by death….and aided by ignorance and or allegiance or investments to get a silent media about the nature of the problem and the potential problems grow as does the outreach to misinform with coffee, tea, cookies and smiling faces. In my opinion,,
underbed cat says
I guess most all the readers here know this information, I guess the press discussion about Erdogan highlighting this gruesome capture is exactly to raise his persona and lessen the Prince, as to confuse the issue…but are they, the press, getting closer to understanding the doctrine responsible, I don’t think so unless they think closing your eyes will make it go away.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Wellington,you know at the bottom of your heart that your masters fascist evil zionists have been carrying out mass killings of Palestinians pursuant to obnoxious Talmud and you mithraist christians have been carrying out genocide killings pursuant to mithraist Bible in Samuel 15:3 and book of Numbers 31:17 like what churchmen did during wars and in Spain, extermination of the original inhabitants of Americas by white mithraist christians ,15% of Algerians killed by mithraist French christians during brutal colonisation and attempt to annex algeria into France ,more than half of world Jews kiłled by mithraist christian Nazis ànd destruction of other nations causing miseries. mithraist christians and evil Jews are the worst of mankind.
James Lincoln says
Ibrahim itace muhammed,
It is indeed possible that you are exhibiting signs of “reaction formation”. Consult a non-Islamic textbook of psychology for a good evidence-based definition.
It is indeed possible that, deep down inside, you actually love Jews and the State of Israel.
You are also extremely jealous of the success of Jews as a group. High IQs, high standards of living, and a very prosperous State of Israel. You subconsciously compare this to failed Muslim majority countries.
Please consider this before you dismiss it out of hand and get “triggered”.
Wellington says
Ibrahim: What about all the many horrendous wrongs committed by Muslims over the centuries in the name of Islam? The pillaging of India by Muslims is one of the most appalling events in man’s history. Take any full year since 9/11 and Muslims have killed more people in any one of these given years (2002-2017) than the Spanish Inquisition did in over 300 years. In the seventh century alone thousands upon thousands of Christian churches were destroyed by Muslims. For many centuries as far away as the Cornwall coast in England, Muslim raiders seized men and women and made slaves of them. And while were at it, Muslims engaged in black slavery for far longer and far more extensively than did the Western world—and unlike the Western world which has shown an enormous capacity to apologize for past wrongdoings, when has the Islamic world ever apologized for anything even though it has so much to apologize for? Finally, all cultures experience rape, but only Islam in its ideological blueprint condones it.
The record of mankind is often a very sorry one, but few if any portion of the human race has engaged in so much harm over such a long period of time to the extent that Muslims have. As ever I remain, Ibrahim,
Mithraistically (whatever the hell this means) and non-Islamically yours,
Wellington
nabi ZK (pbum) says
At this point, no one really knows what the cult of Mithras was all about. It was secret. Some people think it had something to do with the precession of the equinoxes.
Westman says
Well, Ibrahim, you’ve got it wrong again. About 90% of the native deaths in the Americas was caused by Spanish, English, and French arriving with diseases for which the natives had no immunity. Try to catch up, if you can, on what we’ve learned about genetics and disease.
You may want to stop watching those old westerns. The massacre of Wounded Knee was just a blip compared to the deaths by disease which caused the majority of failing strength and capitulation of the tribes.
It’s advantageous to claim victimhood by war as a native American Indian, however, the main culprit was disease.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Wellington,you know at the bottom of your heart that your masters fascist evil zionists have been carrying out mass killings of Palestinians pursuant to obnoxious Talmud and you mithraist christians have been carrying out genocide killings pursuant to mithraist Bible in Samuel 15:3 and book of Numbers 31:17 like what churchmen did during wars and in Spain, extermination of the original inhabitants of Americas by white mithraist christians ,15% of Algerians killed by mithraist French christians during brutal colonisation and attempt to annex algeria into France ,more than half of world Jews kiłled by mithraist christian Nazis ànd destruction of other nations causing miseries. mithraist christians and evil Jews are the worst of mankind.
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Except that the above is all bullsh*t–Jews and Christians are not mass killing anyone, let alone on the diktats of the Torah or Gospels; the figures on Algeria are false; and Hitler, far from being Christian, despised Christianity while admiring Islam.
And–for the umpteenth time–Christianity has nothing to do with Mithraism. Of course, there is nothing Ibrahim itace muhammed can cite–but he doesn’t care. Pious Muslims reject reason and rational thinking.