Imagine how embarrassed French officials will be when they discover that Mohamed Tatai is not an “extremist,” but was simply preaching standard, mainstream Islam. But by then it will likely be far too late.
“Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” — Sahih Muslim 6985
“French Imam Indicted Over Antisemitic Sermon in Which He Cited Hadith Urging Violence Against Jews,” Algemeiner, December 21, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
The imam of the Grand Mosque of Toulouse, Mohamed Tatai, was indicted this week for “public verbal provocation to hatred or violence” following an investigation into an antisemitic sermon he gave last year, French media outlets reported on Friday.
In the remarks in question, Tatai cited a hadith saying that on Judgment Day the Muslims will fight and kill the Jews.
A video of the Dec. 2017 sermon was published online, and a translated excerpt (courtesy of the Middle East Media Research Institute) can be viewed below:
The incitement charge was brought by the Toulouse Prosecutor’s Office.
In an interview with a French media outlet this past summer, Tatai claimed his words were taken “out of context” and that he had not called for violence….
Buraq says
Interesting! The probable argument for the prosecution might be that this clown’s call for the murder of all the Jews on the planet is un-Islamic; but the defense’s line might be that calling for the murder of all the Jews on the planet is just plain, vanilla Islam. And everyone is allowed freedom of religion, no?
The slippery part, of course, is that calling for the murder of all Jews was in the context of an historical event at the time of the so-called Prophet, not today, for Heaven’s sake!
Anjuli Pandavar says
Buraq,
I agree with you 100%. The problem for the prosecuting authorities now, as I see it, is where do they go with this. Has the imam insulted Islam and hurt the sensitivities of Muslims by telling a factual truth about Islam? Factual truth, yes; hurt Muslims’ sensibilities, quite obviously not. In the case of Elisabeth Sabaditch-Wolff, they nailed her for hurting “the religious sensibilities of others” and thereby “threatening the religious peace” for telling a factual truth about Islam. But, is telling Muslims that Islam calls on them to murder all Jews not “threatening the religious peace”? (You cannot talk of religious peace or harmony without there being more than one party to it).
In the case of Elisabeth Sabaditch-Wolff, it was never actually stipulated *whose* religious feeling she had hurt. Jews can hardly be over the moon after an imam stated the factual truth that Islam calls for the extermination of Jews. And since the ECtHR had *failed to stipulate* that it was “Muslims” whose feelings were to be protected from stating factual truths about Islam, by the same argument, the imam must now be prosecuted. Of course, there’s always the possibility that Europe’s judicial system is already so corrupted that some brazen judge is going to argue that “fearing for your life” doesn’t count as “hurt feelings” and so the imam walks.
If they are going to punish the imam for this, then every single imam, without exception, must be similarly indicted, for *it is impossible* to make a career out of preaching Islam without “public verbal provocation to hatred or violence” or, at the very least, “threatening the religious peace”. If they decide that proceeding against the imam opens a can of worms that ultimately unravels Islam in Europe, they may balk, or be strong-armed by the OIC, and not go down that road. Either way, as you say, they are in one hell of a bind.
This also opens a number of possible ways for Elisabeth Sabaditch-Wolff to be acquitted. And also for reinstating the German ban on child marriage (the Muslim right to f*ck children).
Stealth jihad is a two-edged scimitar, Muslims and the OIC’s running dogs are learning to their dismay. This is why the pre-eminence of the unelected upper echelons of the EU are so mission-critical to the OIC: while the different EU states can do different things, it will be very hard to consolidate the continent’s Islamisation. At the moment, the EU is like jumping beans in a box. Unfavourable developments can flip into favourable ones and back again in quick succession, all within the same jurisdiction, while right next door the exact opposite could be taking place. This especially so now that the informed public is approaching critical mass and their patience is reaching a tipping point. This does *not* mean that the end of Islam in Europe is nigh, far from it. But it can no longer be taken for grated that all things will automatically go the way the Merkels, the Mays and the Macrons have been engineering them.
I’ve only recently started appreciating the significance of Poland and Hungary moving against their judges.
mortimer says
“Threatening the religious peace” = THE HECKLER’S VETO
Definition – “A heckler’s veto is an IMPERMISSIBLE content-based RESTRICTION on speech where the speech is prohibited due to an ANTICIPATED DISORDERLY or VIOLENT reaction of the audience.” – Justice Dolores Sloviter
mortimer says
WHY THE RULING AGAINST ELISABETH SABADITCH-WOLFF IS UNJUST … THE MOB IS WRONG … NOT SABADITCH-WOLFF …
REASON: The ‘heckler’s veto’ is nothing but VIGILANTE LAW or the LAW imposed by a MOB. No group attempting to administer a self-made law which vetoes the freedom of expression of others should be tolerated. The heckler’s veto is a crime against the majesty of the law which is the supreme, dominant authority controlling the conduct of everyone, however exalted or high his power. The heckler’s veto is an attempt to overthrow free speech which is the law of the land, and in its place to set up mob law, lynch law, and to substitute lawlessness for the law enforcement which obtains in civilized countries. The EUROPEAN COURT was WRONG because it EMBOLDENS THE MOB TO ENFORCE ITS SELF-MADE RULES WITH THREATS OF VIOLENCE.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Mortimer,
First of all, thank you for keeping me on my toes.
Yes, of course you are right. The most brazen recent example of mob veto over the rule of law being the UK refusing to offer asylum to Asia BIbi. Of course Sabaditch-Wolff is not wrong. *Both* the mob *and* those refusing to enforce the rule of law on them are wrong. The point of my exchange with Buraq is whether *within what legal avenues remain open to Sabaditch-Wolff*, there is something here that her legal team can use. I doubt whether *anyone* thinks Sabaditch-Wolff was wrong. Not even her accusers or her prosecutors think that.
Similarly, the judges who found Geert Wilders guilty *know* that he is not. Their object was to find him guilty, not to establish whether he was right or wrong. Exactly the same with Elisabeth Sabaditch-Wolff. Those who imprisoned Tommy Robinson *know* that he should not have gone to jail. We all know who is right and who is wrong, but unfortunately, it is no longer purely about right and wrong. It is also about what little bits of freedom we can still hold onto and about where and how we might wrench some of it back. Some prosecutor in France who hasn’t read the memo has just provided another possible opening.
Michael Copeland says
“Islam says: ‘Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!’ ..
Islam says: ‘Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them.'”
Ayatollah Khomeini
Just be sure not to take this “out of context”.
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/islams-vision-destruction-muslims-speak
mortimer says
‘The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah.’ – Ayatollah Khomeini
(so… there’s the ‘context’ … namely, that Islam is a form of sociopathy… the joy of killing according to Khomeini)
Michael Copeland says
If it didn’t so state
In the Great Book of Hate
It wouldn’t be there to preach
Battle says
According to quoting the Judgemant Day quote Grand Mosque of Toulouse Imam Mohamed Tatar then Islam is a religion of killing Jews.
Westman says
Talking rocks and competing trees that prefer particular religions. Muslim women who lick their husbands wounds. Imbibers of camel urine. A horse-like heavenly animal whose step reached the horizon. The sun setting in a swamp. The earth is flat. Women should want FGM. Music is bad. What looney-tune organization believes/does these things?
Perhaps this Imam could have the charge dropped by simply citing these beliefs and then be regarded as, “mentally ill”. Maybe they could find him a good homeless shelter and some rehab. 😉
mortimer says
Islam has dozens of PREPOSTEROUSLY STUPID DOCTRINES … exactly what a primitive, opportunistic 7th century Bedouin believed in…
AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN ISLAM SINCE THE 7TH CENTURY !
ISLAM IS RETROGRADE.
Michael Copeland says
“No stronger retrograde force exists in the world”
Churchill
Steven RSA says
Would not a religion of peace be impossible to take out of context, or misinterpret?
somehistory says
In a “sane” world…or a more enlightened one…say Churchill’s or J.Q. Adams…this would be enough to cause the public to realize just how evil islam is, that this call for the killing of Jews and the call for killing Christians, is normative and permeates the entire writings and thought of moslims.
One day, islam will lose its “image”…perhaps this is the beginning of that loss.
gravenimage says
France: Imam indicted for sermon in which he cited hadith calling for killing of Jews
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Unfortunately, this is orthodox Islam.
Jettrod says
There are multiple videos on YouTube showing these same racist, hate speach filled Islamic sermons, being given to a very receptive congregation that has no objections at all to hearing it, likely because they hear it regularly. A few videos are from Canada, where there were no arrests for these racist hate searches, but can you imagine the chaos if a church or synagogue gave this same sermon, but directed it at Islam?
There would be prison sentences handed out to anyone else saying these things.