The report below states that “the blunders of German officials spurred heated responses from traditional Muslims” at an Islamic conference in Berlin dubbed “Islam in Germany,” where “the two sides seemed to take their positions in the fight for the future of Islam in Germany, and across Europe.” The biggest blunders by Germany were its failed open-door immigration plan and its kowtowing to Muslim lobbies in the name of diversity, out of fear of being called “racist Islamophobes.” The goal of Germany should be to assimilate Muslims and foster their respect for democratic institutions. The recent Islamic conference in Berlin was a farce, and indicated the troubling extent that Germany (and Europe) is becoming Islamized. Currently, Salafism is the fastest growing Islamic movement in Germany.
At that same conference, Germany’s Integration Ministry undersecretary Serap Güler wearing a mini-skirt during a panel discussion. Stuttgart-based freelance journalist Yüksel Aktay said on Facebook: “Madam, how you dress in your private life, it is none of our business…however when you go to the Islamic conference, you have to be decent and virtuous.” Güler has no obligation to conform to the Islamic norms of decency and virtue. And yet another issue at that conference became explosive: the serving of blood pork sausages for those who were non-Muslims. This was regarded as an insult to the sensitivities of Muslims and blew up into a #BloodSausageGate.
The article below also states that “tensions have risen in Germany thanks in part to groups like the far-right, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany party, which sees Islam as incompatible with German values.” Sharia is indeed incompatible with democracy, and the best of Islamic scholars and leaders, straight from Al Azhar, would be the first to agree.
“Tensions rising in battle for German Islam,” Ahval, December 3, 2018:
The blunders of German officials spurred heated responses from traditional Muslims at last week’s Islam Conference in Berlin, as the two sides seemed to take their positions in the fight for the future of Islam in Germany, and across Europe.
By calling for the end of foreign funding for mosques and a more secular-minded Islam, German officials and liberal-minded German Turks have in recent weeks sought to sideline the conservative Islam of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s Turkey.
In response, all three leading Turkish Muslim organisations in Germany sent low-profile figures to the two-day event, instead of their leaders, as a form of protest, reported Diaspora Daily. Some 3 million people of Turkish origin call Germany home; no country is home to a greater share of the Turkish diaspora.
The Turkish-Islamic Union for Religious Affairs (DITIB), which is an arm of the Turkish government, the German chapter of Turkey’s Islamist Millî Görüş movement (IGMG), and the Islamic Council (Islamrat) view several of the figures the government has chosen to invite to the event, and collaborate with, as having questionable Islamic credentials. They often criticise Seyran Ateş, who runs an LGBT-friendly Berlin mosque, and former Green Party co-chair Cem Özdemir, leader of the recently launched Initiative for Secular Islam.
Once the conference began, German officials appeared out of step with Muslim sensitivities. Germany’s Integration Ministry undersecretary Serap Güler joined a panel discussion wearing a miniskirt.
“Madam, how you dress in your private life, it is none of our business,” Stuttgart-based freelance journalist Yüksel Aktay said on Facebook . “However, when you go to the Islamic conference, you have to be decent and virtuous.”
Then came the lunch buffet, where alongside halal, vegetarian, and fish dishes was a blood sausage made of pork, according to the BBC. “What signal does (Interior Minister Horst) Seehofer’s Interior Ministry want to send?” journalist Tuncay Özdamar wrote on Twitter. “A little respect for Muslims, who don’t eat pork, is needed.”
Tensions have risen in Germany thanks in part to groups like the far-right, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany party, which sees Islam as incompatible with German values.
Meanwhile, conservative Muslims, who tend to favour foreign funding like that of DITIB, have clashed with Germany’s more liberal-minded Muslims, who appear willing to embrace secularism. At the same time, German intelligence is considering an investigation into spying activities at the country’s Turkey-supported mosques. ….
Harry Sweeney says
Robert, I am astounded and disappointed that the American Press, once the finest in the world, does not include needed articles like this in their repertoire. One should think that denying to do so is a negation of their first duty, reporting all the news. I truly believe they do not deserve whatever licenses are pre-stamped for them.
The article points out that Angela Merkel’s flirtation with Islam notwithstanding, other German now realize all is not rosy between the German people in Islam. And now is born another notion that perhaps Angela Merkel herself is not right for Germany.
Andy says
The coming apart of the European Union
Andy says
Make France Great Again!
Make Judeo-Christian Western Civilization Great Again!
Macron Has Failed, French Protesters Call For Act 4 Saturday
Andy says
The fall of the 4th Reich. Nationalism has returned! Next step, reintroduce Judeo-Christianity into secular Europe.
gravenimage says
Andy, there have been big demonstrations in France before.
And these demonstrators are mostly protesting fuel taxes and the suspension of taxes on the wealthiest Frenchmen.
I *wish* the French were protesting like this over Muslim immigration and the Jihad.
Andy says
This is more than just protesting fuel taxes and I think everyone knows that. These are the biggest protests in 50 years from what I heard.
People are sick and tired of political correctness and globalists and seeing the traditions and culture of the land being taken over (and being told what to think and do) by the elites.
Our Judeo-Christian Civilization is under attack and we all better start to take a stand against these globalists.
gravenimage says
Andy, so far I have not seen that these protests are a referendum on Muslim immigration or political correctness.
I would, of course, love to be proven wrong.
Louis Pierard says
When was the American Press the finest in the world? When Walter Duranty received his Pulitzer, perhaps?
gravenimage says
The American press has certainly been the freest in the world. This does not in itself guarantee a fine press–see Walter Duranty, as you note–but it is rather a prerequisite, non?
The Crusader says
Most of the American press are UNAMERICAN . There are some that do report the TRUTH but it’s far in between.
nicu says
They hate everything what we do here –why the hell the stay ? I know to conquer and to abuse the social system and commit crimes .
The Crusader says
I couldn’t say it any better Nicu.
Terry Gain says
It is disappointing to see Christine Douglass- Williams suggest that Muslims can be assimilated in Germany (or any democracy) and refer to AfD as far right.
gravenimage says
Terry, these views come from the cited article in Ahval, *not* from Christine Douglass-Williams.
Terry Gain says
GI
The following sentences are not contained within quotation marks.
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The goal of Germany should be to assimilate Muslims and foster their respect for democratic institutions. The recent Islamic conference in Berlin was a farce, and indicated the troubling extent that Germany (and Europe) is becoming Islamized.
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Nor is the reference to AFD as being far right.
mortimer says
All Islam is ARABIAN ISLAM.
Mohammad was frank about the exalted status of his race —“I am Arab, and the Quran is in Arabic and the talk of those in Paradise is in Arabic”
gravenimage says
Quite right, Mortimer–there is no “German Islam”–there is just Islam, everywhere.
mortimer says
Kufrul-Istibdaal =substituting human laws for Allah’s laws (modernizing Islam)
To attempt to ‘modernize’ Islam or tailor-fit Islam for German political needs is BLASPHEMY.
Countries that become Islamic, become ARABIAN.
A_M_Swallow says
In Europe dress like a European. I assume the Muslims were not wearing suits and ties.
Tom says
A recently released report has shown that the number of attacks by Islamist terrorists has decreased and the number of attacks causing death by “far right wing” individuals have increased. A slanted perspective to say the least.
One theory on the decline in the number of Islamic terror attacks is as follows. With the exception of a few attacks, they weren’t all that successful a tactic and didn’t have the intended impact on western countries. They were, for the most part, incompetent and amateurish enought that the vast majority were discovered by security services and defeated before they could be carried out. They were in fact just stage one of the Jihad.
Stage 2 of the Jihad has been much more successful. That is the Muslim Brotherhood strategy of infiltrate, subvert and control the political systems of the west, and destroy the west from within by having operatives in covert positions where they can influence political leadership and thereby, the policies of the country toward Islam and Muslims.
Stage 3 was, and is, the policies adopted by most western countries under MB control and influence, of mass migration of those from mostly Muslim countries into the west. This achieves several things, it increases the number of Muslim block voters who will elect Muslim politicians into power, destroy the social structure of the west by the vast number of Muslims refusing to integrate, and indeed doing the opposite, demanding that western countries change to Islamic societies, use western taxpayers as funding to achieve all of this and eventually fund an Islamic caliphate in the west.
James Lincoln says
Tom,
You are correct, but I will go even further regarding Stage I.
If Muslims stopped ALL Islam inspired terrorist attacks in the West, they would be even more successful with achieving Stage II and Stage III of their Islamization goal.
Their problem, for them, is that they can just not help themselves. They feel compelled to carry out these terrorist attacks even though it, ironically, it ultimately hurts their cause.
infidel says
U have hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD…James… I too believe the same way..
mummymovie says
If you ever wonder why such fervent effort is made by Western authorities and media to categorize many islamic jihad attacks as a result of the “mental illness” of the muslim attacker, there you have your answer. This is done with the intent of having fewer jihad attacks on the record books than “far right” / “right-wing” attacks. Statistically, especially when using the date of 9/12/2001 as a starting point, you can make the claim that would-be “right wing” attackers represent a bigger danger to society than the multitudes of potential attackers, or “terrorists” as they are commonly referred to, in the muslim community, who, when polled, express suprisingly strong support for islamic jihad attacks on Westerners.
This taqiyya-like game is all about statistics, but the bigger game is the hijrah, and that is a demographics game. This component -the invasion and demographic replacement through colonization and reproduction- has been extremely successful throughout the West, and is an issue that represents the biggest challenge Western Civilization will face, perhaps ever.
Germany is already screwed, blued and tattooed, in this regard, and they have dragged any chances of coming back from this abyss the rest of Europe might have had, right down along with them.
And I disagree that islamic jihad terror attacks have hurt the objectives of conquest-minded muslims: They have been successful in intimidating and softening up legislators, judges, government administrators, law enforcement officials, and western media into becoming complacent in enforcing laws against muslims and/or holding them to the same standards of behavior that the rest of us are held to, and has shielded islam overall and muslim invaders in their host countries from the usual scrutiny and criticism that is to be endured normally by any members of society, resulting in special accommodations and courtesies being afforded to muslims and blatant practitioners of shariah law, who practice their vile trade in free societies and allowing it to spread like the sickening plague it is.
But you already know all of this.
James Lincoln says
mummymovie,
Excellent post, my compliments.
I agree that islamic jihad terror attacks historically have helped the objectives of conquest-minded muslims, at least initially, by creating a climate of fear.
However, if they significantly backed off after this, they would be more successful in carrying out Stage II and Stage III of the Stealth Jihad.
Think of Poland as example. Before their current Law and Justice Party took over, they were actually ready to accept small numbers of Muslim migrants. Following multiple terrorist attacks in Western Europe and the flood of Muslim migrants starting in 2015, the country woke up and decided to not accept any Muslim migrants. There is currently no Islamic Jihad being carried out in Poland that I am aware of.
I don’t necessarily totally disagree with you on this point, I just think that, depending upon the situation / timing, Islamic Jihad terror attacks can have mixed results regarding the objectives of the jihadists.
But I could be wrong…
mummymovie says
Yeah, I hear you, and any rational-minded person would think that jihad attacks, like the lorry attack in Nice, for instance, would turn the sentiment of leftists, and swing citizens of western societies toward opposing jihad, and the importation of muslims into their countries.
But the left continues to amaze us with just how foolish and ignorant they are, and it shows us just how important it is for many people to feel good about themselves, by continuing to indulge in the costly adulation and adoration from virtue-signaling.
Thanks for the response. I see what you’re saying, but I would bet that many jihadists would definitely say that without a doubt, jihad attacks are helping them accomplish their objectives, regardless of statistics.
gravenimage says
Different tactics, same Jihad. This is what Hugh Fitzgerald calls the “Fast Jihad” and “Slow Jihad”–the former, violent terror attacks; the second, “stealth Jihad” like lawfare and cultural pressure.
But these tactics are not as discrete as they might seem–and, really, they have the same goals. Muslims use both tactics.
dan christensen says
“Madam, how you dress in your private life, it is none of our business,” Stuttgart-based freelance journalist Yüksel Aktay said on Facebook . “However, when you go to the Islamic conference, you have to be decent and virtuous.”
“… journalist Tuncay Özdamar wrote on Twitter. “A little respect for Muslims, who don’t eat pork, is needed.”
This is how the muslim conquest of Europe starts. Ungrateful muslim Fifth column migrants slowly introduces sharia law everywhere. Whenever muslims are present, their religious sensitivities must not be violated.
It begins with a demand of ‘respect’ for particular muslim social customs. You are expected to be ‘decent’, ‘virtuous’ and abstain from pork, if a single muslim is present.
Second step will be to shun or punish the offending christians, who rejects the islamic version of
‘decency’, virtue and meat-eating.
Third step will be introduction of the full gruesome penal codes in sharia law – with torture and execution!
Maybe the muslim journalists in germany should remember that muslims came to Germany as beggars and unwanted illiterate surplus population.
If they do not like German ‘decency’, ‘virtue’ and eating habits, they are welcome to return to their loser countries. If they choose to stay their fight for sharia law could easily become violent. Is this what the muslim journalists want?
gravenimage says
Yes–this is all about imposing Shari’ah law here.
Georg says
Blaming the AfD is like blaming a battered wife for her abuse.
Guy Forester says
Thanks to Merkel, I suspect that the German Christmas Goose is now thoroughly cooked, clear to the bone. The 3 million or more people from Non Western countries with different cultures and religious beliefs had no intention of ever changing to become Germans.
Of course, wasting the lives of millions of your best young men in two stupid and unnecessary wars did not help. In case anyone out there is not aware of this (like Merkel and Macron), it is young MEN that are needed to make babies with young WOMEN. But, as they say, stupid is as stupid does.
Grizzly says
Don’t let the Leftist FemiNazis hear you say that “MEN” are needed for anything. Blasphemy!!
alex Reid says
There is no such thing as “German” Islam. There is just Islam, (Turkish P{resident Erdogan’s words), & all that it entails i.e. the complete subjugation of ALL non-Muslims! That’s it no tolerance/integration. Just simple wishful thinking by a bunch of Liberal retards.