When did we ever see tens of thousands of Muslims in any country marching against the alleged twisting and hijacking of their religion by jihad terrorists? Right, never.
“Conservative Indonesian Muslims hold big rally in Jakarta,” Reuters, December 2, 2018:
JAKARTA (Reuters) – Tens of thousands of Indonesian Muslims held a rally in Jakarta on Sunday led by hardline groups who had agitated to remove the city’s Christian governor, underscoring the growing influence of Islamist groups ahead of elections in 2019.
The rally was attended by former general, Prabowo Subianto, a nationalist with strong links to Islamists who is seeking to topple President Joko Widodo in next year’s polls after being narrowly defeated in 2014 during a bitterly fought campaign.
The crowd, many of whom were dressed in white and carrying Islamic flags, started gathering at Jakarta’s National Monument from around 3 a.m. to hold prayers.
“We are proud because the Islam in Indonesia is Islam that unifies and is united and will maintain peace for everyone,” Subianto said in a speech.
Thousands of police had been put on standby but the rally was peaceful.
Organizers call their movement a “reunion” for a series of rallies starting in late 2016 that targeted Jakarta governor Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, the first ethnic-Chinese Christian in the job, who was charged with insulting the Koran….
mortimer says
THIS IS A TICKING TIME BOMB … the Muslims are RISING UP for the COMING MASS MURDER of Jews, Christians and Hindus … AND ATHEISTS … unless we all join together to IDEOLOGICALLY DEFEAT ISLAM.
The time is running out before WORLD WAR THREE. This is going to come in the next 10 to 15 years unless we DEPROGRAM MUSLIMS RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM.
Andy says
Mortimer how would you go about trying to deprogram Muslims?
Islam has 1.8 billion adherents, making up about 24.1% of the world population. Most Muslims are either of two denominations: Sunni (80-90%, roughly 1.5 billion people) or Shia (10–20%, roughly 170-340 million people).
Joe says
You could take the Korans from the 3rd century and compare them to the Korans from the 7th century. Then compare those to the Korans of the 11th century. In the 10th century, the Koran had assimilation installed in it, that wasn’t from the 6th or 7th century. That assimilation is the worst part of Islam such as killing apostates, raping girls, and hating neighbors. It can be shown that the 11th century Koran did not come from anyone living in the 6th or 7th century. The Muslims in 670 had a different religion than the Muslims in 1070.
That shreds the concept that the modern Koran is from God. We know who put the changes into it.
Since the modern Koran was not written by Mohammed, that would start a quest for “True Islam”. With many Muslims hating the violent parts of Islam, you could have whole countries returning to “True Islam”. Of course, many will stick to the corrupt Islam.
John says
muhammad(MHCRIH) did not write anything. he was Illiterate.who ever wrote anything wrote what they interpreted , after muhummad(MHCRIH) woke up from his delusional night.
Mirren10 says
”. With many Muslims hating the violent parts of Islam,”
Evidence, please.
gravenimage says
Joe has made this absurd claim before–that Islam was just fine until the 10th century. But the fact is that Islam was hideously violent from the 7th century onwards–engaged in the violent conquest of unbelievers.
Carol the 1st says
This seems to lend some credence to the saying “you get the government you deserve”.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, you have never said how “deprogramming” would work–except for posting videos critical of Islam. You have never been able to show any evidence that masses of Muslims have left Islam after viewing such videos.
balam says
The Muslims can not be deprogrammed because are not trained to think but only feel.
Elisha says
Wrong, mortimer. It is time to seek truth earnestly, courageously and humbly:
“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!” – Mark 1:15
Clive Delmonte says
Perhaps there’s a way of setting strands of Islam against each other. That might fix things and leave us out of it.
John says
🙂
Mirren10 says
”The time is running out before WORLD WAR THREE. This is going to come in the next 10 to 15 years unless we DEPROGRAM MUSLIMS RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM.”
You’ve been banging this drum for *years*, but not once have you ever produced any information or ways to go about this, no matter how many times you’ve been asked.
Put up, or shut up, Mortimer.
Vartan Sepanian says
it is written and it will happen. we can not stop the prophecies, Islam will rise but God will bring it down. that is what I read in Ezekiel chapter 38-39. what we can do is save as many as we can as fast as we can for time is very short. One good thing that happened in Iran was Islam came to power and people find out what Islam really is, so now almost 80% left this evil religion,and hopefully more will follow. but as I said we can’t stop it from happening. God bless
Brian hoff says
I hightly doubt 80% of thr ?? people left Islam at all. There is than better change of trump being. Removed from office.
gravenimage says
Poor “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”.
Brian hoff says
Graveimage trump will be impeached by the federal government. Mike Flin is giveing top rate infro of trump dealing with Russia to stealing the 2016 election from Hillary.
mortimer says
QUICK !!!
Send Barry Obama to Indonesia to explain to them that they ALL MISUNDERSTAND the MODERATE and TOLERANT teachings of Islam. Ayatollah Obama will explain how SHARIA LAW is WRONG… WRONG !!!
Sharia permits the MURDER of anyone who verbally opposes Islam, since they are at war with Islam:
“There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim at war (‘kafir harbi’) with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveller, o4.17, p.593
Sharia law forbids the ‘mention’ of any Islamic topic by a dirty kafir.
The Sharia manual of the Shafi school states:
“We have already discussed killing the person who, with intent, curses the Prophet, belittles him or slights him in any way. The judgement in this case is clear.” (i.e. the sentence is execution)- from Sharia law manual, “Qadhi Iyaadh in ash-Shifa”, Volume No.2, Page No. 27
-as-Suyuti writes: “(If they break their oaths…) This ayah (K. 9:11-12) is used as a proof by those who say that if a dhimmi attacks Islam (VERBALLY) or the Qur’an or MENTIONS the Prophet in a bad manner, HE IS KILLED, whether he has broken a treaty or not. Those who say that his repentance is accepted use as a proof, ‘hopefully they will stop.’”
– from a Sharia law web site…the “punishment of execution which sharee’ah imposes on everyone who reviles the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), whether he is a Muslim, a dhimmi or a mu’aahid, because transgressing against the status of the Prophets is disbelief in Allaah Almighty, and it invalidates every sanctity, right and covenant; it is a major betrayal which deserves the most severe punishment.
3 – Although this was a hadd punishment, it also comes under the heading of killing a harbi (a non-Muslim in a state of war against Islam), and it is permissible for anyone to kill a harbi.” (i.e. vigilante murder is permitted by Islam)
katherine says
Oops, you forgot to emphasize one fine point — any non-Muslim who does not accept Allah is already in a state of war against Islam.
gravenimage says
True, Mortimer and Katherine. This is what Muslims don’t tell you when they say Jihad is just “defensive”.
balam says
Muslims will never tell you the TRUTH because they suffer from TRUTH-O-PHOBIA.
John says
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) Bullshit. (MHCRIH) May He Continually ROT In HELL.i
balam says
Mortimer: Can you, please, clarify if the Muslims worship ALLAH or MOHAMMAD? Is Mohammad to be revered above Allah? I am just confused.
Michael Copeland says
Why muslims pray to Mohammed
video by David Wood on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9cvvzJoTeg
WPM says
Obama was raise in Indonesia by his “grand mother” was he not? The tall tale he was not born there but moved there when he was 11 years old .Left in time to go to college back in America ,the most unAmerican president ever elected ,playing the race card his whole life to get ahead. A closet Moslem if their ever was one.
Michael Copeland says
“These days, I look in the mirror and I have to admit, I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be.”
Obama
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-i-am-not-strapping-young-muslim-socialist-i-used-be
gravenimage says
Obama has said this was satire–but it hits rather close to home…
gravenimage says
WPM, when Obama was in Indonesia it was with his mother and Muslim step-father. He then went to Hawaii, where he was raised by his maternal grandmother and grandfather. His grandmother was not Indonesian.
Paul says
Bali is a hindu island.
Flores is a christian island.
With muslims well known wish to take over what is going to happen to the culture of both these islands ?
I predict extermination.
Paul
Guy Forester says
Unfortunately, you are correct. That is what has essentially happened in the western part of the island of New Guinea and on the former Portugese colony on Timor. The Indonesians moved in with the military and of course, the UN did nothing. The local populations were essentially subjugated and replaced by others. Portugese Timor eventually became independent, but it took years of fighting, protesting, and some outside help by Australia. It does not look good for any enclave that decides to NOT be a part of the religion we dare not name.
gravenimage says
Good post. And recall that Jihadists have targeted Bali before.
katherine says
And thanks to Australian troops too that Singaporeans weren’t massacred by Malaysian Muslim peacekeepers during the racial riots of the early sixties.
gravenimage says
+1
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Poll Shows Huge Democrat Bias Toward Muslims Over Christians”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/04/poll-shows-huge-democrat-bias-toward-muslims-over-christians/
gravenimage says
Appalling and insane, Flavius.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“German Government Accused of Funding Brochure That Encourages Kids to Spy on Their “Right-Wing” Parents”
https://www.newswars.com/german-government-accused-of-funding-brochure-that-encourages-kids-to-spy-on-their-right-wing-parents/
gravenimage says
Frightening–shades of the Nazis indoctrinating children to report on their parents saying anything critical of Hitler and the Fascists.
mummymovie says
Yes, Robert- great question: When have we seen that?
When have we seen the overwhelming “peace-loving majority” of muslims out in the streets protesting the “tiny minority of violent extremists” who are “misreading” their korans, committing violent jihad attacks on innocent civilians, racist acts of bigoted discrimination, mysoginistic oppression, sexual violence, and murder of gays and followers of other religions; and generally in the process, creating such a poor image of islam?
Where do we see tens of thousands of muslims out there, voicing their opposition to all that stuff?
Guy Forester says
“The rally was attended by former general, Prabowo Subianto, a nationalist with strong links to Islamists who is seeking to topple President Joko Widodo in next year’s polls after being narrowly defeated in 2014 during a bitterly fought campaign.”
I suspect that the next election will most likely look like the one in Egypt during their “Arab Spring.” This means that anyone that is ethnic Chinese or anyone that is not of the religion we dare not name should do everything possible to leave. The sooner the better.
I sincerely doubt that the military and police will use force against their fellow friends, family, and believers, so they will get into power, one way or the other. I hope that I am wrong, but we are about to see the end of Indonesia as a relatively free and modernizing country. It will most likely become more and more repressive and backwards. The first victims of the new leadership will be political rivals, then the Ahmadiyya followers, Chinese, Christians, and Hindus, not necessarily in that order, once any organized dissenting voices are silenced.
Malaysia seems to be rapidly heading in that direction as well. Singapore had better prepare or end up like they did in February 1942.
rubiconcrest says
Muslims are very sensitive about anyone challenging their Koran. Deprogramming Muslims can only happen if the Democratic nations of the world stand in unison and speak with one voice on the issues of political Islam(sharia),Islamic totalitarianism and jihad. At some point we will have to draw a line in the sand.
gravenimage says
With all respect, when has deprogramming ever worked? We just need to keep ravening Muslims out of the civilized West.
Andy says
+1
gravenimage says
Indonesia: Tens of thousands of Muslims rally to celebrate ousting of Christian governor who was accused of blasphemy
……………………..
There is no equality in Islam–no Infidel is ever allowed to be in a position of authority..
I just hope this Christian is able to stay safe.
Grizzly says
This is what’s coming to the world folks.
I see no other outcome but war. This will be called in the future, World War III or “The Great Islamic War”. And I envision only TOTAL destruction for one side or the other. Either the world will be free, or the world will be filled with Islamic slaves (with a few enclaves of civilization left… but not for long).
I don’t see any other eventuality BUT war because we are already AT war. Islam declared war against ALL of us from its very inception. The only real question remains is when are we going to recognize that we are at war & defend ourselves. When we’ve vigourously defended ourselves in the past, it’s almost always gone well… very well. The Reconquista, Gates of Vienna, Tours, The Crusades, The Barbary Pirates War… and the list goes on. But in this next war, The Great Islamic War, it must finally be prosecuted to its natural end… the end of Islam. Or like any disease, it will come back: as it has before.
I’m talking about Islam not Muslims. The Germans remained after the fall of Nazi Germany, and the Muslims will remain after the fall of Islam. Though what the Muslims will call themselves afterwards is a bit of a mystery: perhaps Egyptians, or Moroccans, or Persians, or… you get the point. The Germans, through their own hard work, regained their honour after the fall of the Nazi state: and Muslims will regain their honour after Islam is gone… though it may take much longer for Muslims because the evil of Islam was much greater over a much longer period of time.
And when Islam is gone, then at long long last, the Arab race can contribute positively to humanity.
Michael Copeland says
“The Arab Bedouins …. are, by their savage nature, people of pillage and corruption. They pillage everything that they can take without fighting or taking risks, then flee to their refuge in the wilderness, …”
Ibn Khaldun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah
gravenimage says
Michael, Arab Christians are not like this.
infidel says
This PROVED BEYOND a shred of doubt that it is Islam itself that is the cause of terror rather than those mad extremist jehaadis. How many more examples does the free world need in this reg?? In India, when that mad barbaric Jehaadi called Yasin Bhatkal died, millions of Muslims turned up for his funeral.
sidney penny says
“When did we ever see tens of thousands of Muslims in any country marching against the alleged twisting and hijacking of their religion by jihad terrorists? Right, never.”
or
“When have we ever seen thousands of Muslims demonstrating against the jihad terrorism that supposedly “hijacks” their religion?”
or
“Why do so many Muslims from so many countries misunderstand the peaceful religion of Islam”
Michael Copeland says
“Tens of thousands of Muslims rally….”
Translation:
“Tens of thousands of Muslims do as they are told by their imams…”
“they have no option”
Koran 33:36
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=33&verse=36
Tricia Allison says
It’s possible that some Muslims can be ‘re-educated’, but one bit of positive news is that the young are slowly leaving Islam when they get a Western education and learn to think for themselves. I saw a video of an Imam lamenting this, just as Christian pastors lament the emptying of the churches. Synagogues are also losing adherents.
So, chances are, they will dwindle due to exposure to the West and become non-believers. See “Ex-Muslims of North America” on Google.
Meanwhile we need to continue to expose them, ridicule them and most of all, discourage mosque building and keep an eye on those that exist.