Is it really?
“Then they [the Jewish Qurayzah tribe] surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. Al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka’b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.” — Ibn Ishaq 690
Islamic apologists in the West like to claim that Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad’s earliest biographer, is unreliable. But the hadith collection Sahih Bukhari is the one that Sunni Muslims consider most reliable, and it has this:
Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought (against the Prophet, violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again. He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa’, the tribe of `Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina. (Sahih Bukhari vol. 64, no. 4028)
There are also traces of this story in other hadiths that Muslims consider reliable. (According to Ibn Ishaq, Sad bin Muadh was chosen by Muhammad to pronounce sentence on the Banu Qurayzah Jews, and he declared that they should be executed.)
Narrated by Abu Said Al-Khudri: Some people (i.e. the Jews of Bani bin Quraiza) agreed to accept the verdict of Sad bin Muadh so the Prophet sent for him (i.e. Sad bin Muadh). He came riding a donkey, and when he approached the Mosque, the Prophet said, “Get up for the best amongst you.” or said, “Get up for your chief.” Then the Prophet said, “O Sad! These people have agreed to accept your verdict.” Sad said, “I judge that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as captives.” The Prophet said, “You have given a judgment similar to Allah’s Judgment (or the King’s judgment). (Sahih Bukhari vol. 5, no. 148)
And: “Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu Dawood 38:4390)
Also, some Muslims know this story and don’t think of it as a fabrication. A Taliban spokesman, Muhammad Khorasani, justified the Peshawar jihad massacre by likening it to Muhammad’s massacre of the Qurayzah tribe. And an Islamic State jihadi justified massacres by invoking Muhammad, who “slaughtered 700 people.”
“Iranian Sheikh Sadiq Akhvan: Massacre of Jewish Banu Qurayza Tribe Is a Holocaust-Like Fabrication by the Jews,” MEMRI, November 17, 2018:
Iranian Sheikh Sadiq Akhvan said that no story has led Islamic scholars and historians into a trap laid by the Jews as much as the story of the massacre of the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza in Medina, which he said is “another Holocaust-like lie.” He said that the Jews are infamous for fabricating myths. Sheikh Akhvan added that the Jews should have established Israel in Germany or Britain instead of Palestine. His remarks aired on Al-Kawthar TV (Iran) on November 17, 2018.
Following are excerpts:
Sheikh Sadiq Akhvan: No story has led scholars of Islam, of hadith, or of history into a trap laid by the Jews as much as the lie about the Banu Qurayza [massacre] has. My dear sisters and brothers, you all know what the Jews are like. I am not addressing only the Muslims. Even the Christians and others know that the Jews are infamous worldwide for inventing myths and distorting facts. This lie was not the first in their history, nor was it the last.
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You have all seen that under the pretext of the great Holocaust that took place during WWII, the Jews came and occupied Palestine. They even gained international legitimacy. Why? Because they said: “We are miserable. Three million of us, more or less, were burned in Hitler’s furnaces.” Go to Germany or to Britain and establish your Israel there. How is this the fault of the Arabs and the Muslims? Palestine is 100% an Arab and Islamic land. We see that the lie about the Banu Qurayza [massacre], which dates back to the advent of Islam, is another Holocaust-like lie.
Dum Spiri says
Isn’t Ibn Ishaq the earliest Islamic source? And wasn’t the original destroyed by Ibn Hisham and replaced with a recension? Aren’t the earliest sources generally considered the most reliable? Isn’t something written 150 years after a fact more reliable than things written 300 or so years after it?
Doesn’t this strike you as odd?
— Spero
mortimer says
DS, it is likely that an Abbasid caliph COMMISSIONED the writing the Sira … a creative and fanciful account of the life of Mohammed (complete with copious amounts of SPURIOUS POEMS interspersed through the blood-soaked narrative). No one in the Abbasid court knew a DAMN THING about Mohammed at that time, being over 100 years after the supposed messenger’s death. The caliph wanted his courtiers to LEARN SOMETHING about the misty origins of this DEATH CULT … because they were clueless about Islam … they were a bunch of venal, rough criminals who were half-pagan.
The SIRA (the ‘Life-Path’ of Mohammed) was meant to be READ AND RECITED as after-dinner entertainment at the COURT BANQUETS of the caliph and his courtiers. Once they had READ THROUGH (and endured this hideous account of cruelty and debauchery), the caliph had no more use for it and it went on the shelf for a hundred years until it was rediscovered by Ibn Hisham.
Hijaz_Hermit says
I don’t agree. The sira of Muhammad is way too nuanced and incriminating to be a complete fabrication. That’s partly why the recension exists. Ibn Hisham flat out tells us that the original Ibn Ishaq collection was filled with too many uncomfortable stories about Muhammad. He blames the Jews naturally and sets out to purify Ibn Ishaq’s collection. However, even those stories are uncomfortable by today’s standards.
Too bad Muslims can’t create a new recension.
BarryOddessy says
Christian texts that were written less than a generation after the event are pilloried as fanciful; so there is no consistency.
Pat Mott says
Judging by Islamic behaviour now, yes they did murder Jews & anyone else they didn’t like!
Jayell says
So it’s all a scurrilous Jewish lie, is it? But I thought certain of our muslim friends joyously celebrated this event annually, or at least maybe a similar event involving the slaughtering of Jews (would that be a scurrilous Jewish lie as well?). At least, that’s what I seem to recall being reported in a local paper in our wonderfully islam-enriched part of London. Which means that these musims would have been conned into celebrating a wicked, slanderous Jewish fabrication, defaming the good name of the beautiful Religion of Peace. Oh, the sin and the shame!!
Emilie Green says
My take-away: that Muslims know that their books, most notably their Qur’an shows Islam and Muslims practicing Islam in a bad light. Therefore, distort the truth. Once again, Muslims can’t get away from the truth.
mortimer says
Emilie, that is the logical conclusion alright. Namely, that Muslims are not as dumb as they appear in their sawed-off trousers, orange beards and clipped mustaches.
These Muslims are reading ON LINE the SCHOLARLY CONCLUSIONS of the world’s BEST ISLAMOLOGISTS and they are finding that the Koran and hadiths WERE FABRICATED … the evidence of HUMAN INTERVENTION in the Koran and hadithic texts is UNDENIABLE.
Islam is intellectually in retreat.
Islam will COLLAPSE IN 20 years from now. The COLLAPSE HAS STARTED among the Islamic LEADING SCHOLARS.
The faith of Islamic leaders is crumbling quickly as they read the latest scholarly conclusions based on INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS.
THE ISLAMIC PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS WERE ALL FABRICATED LONG AFTER MOHAMMED and their unreliability is seen internally in the texts themselves.
Anton Filipenkov says
I’m afraid most Muslims as most people of the planet earth won’t follow the logic and which is more important the line of the true facts.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Mortimer,
I’m not sure about your timeline, but broadly-speaking, I think you are correct. The sheikh’s *disowning* of the Banu Qurayza massacre is *progress*. It wasn’t so long ago that Muslims were *proud* of the Banu Qurayza massacre, as most Muslims who know about it still are. Jihadis even invoke it as a coded threat.
But you’re right, their most farsighted are engaged in a massive shedding of hitherto proudly proclaimed truths whose indefensibility Islam has suddenly become vulnerable to. Imam Muhammad Tawhidi plays this game, too. Bukhari, till now the most sahih of sahih, the go-to hadith truthsayer, is roundly vilified and denounced. Why? So Tawhidi can roll back the proud truth of Muhammad marrying a 6-year old and raping her at 9. Tawhidi will now have us believe that Aisha was 21 when Muhammad married her! (sources eagerly awaited).
Of course, the truth will out, as it always does. The question for me is, what form will the collapse of Islam take? I think it will cut the ground from under its own feet, indeed, is already doing so. Islam has held onto its populations not only because, as Qaradawi says, because it kills apostates, but because the populations on which Islam thrives consist of people in relations of personal dependence, raised under conditions of rigid social hierarchy. Islam *cannot* replicate itself socially in a population of autonomous individuals, and this is precisely what the Muslim world is finally transforming into: free people under rigid hierarchical oppression. This free population, unafraid to think for themselves and hungry to know what’s been withheld from them, are confronted with the unassailable refutation of all that was till now so sacrosanct that to even think of questioning any of it triggered a physically unpleasant reaction, as you will know yourself. Herein, in my opinion, lies the death of Islam.
Certainly, Islam will not go down without a fight, but there are things we can do to help it along. That’s perhaps for another post.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I *wish* I could agree that Islam is collapsing and in retreat–but it actually seems to be in violent resurgence.
Nona says
“Collapse in 20 years.”
So be it!
But, unfortunately, it will be TOO late for millions of people. ….even for their own women, girls and those poor “blasphemers.”
mortimer says
Iranian Sheikh Sadiq Akhvan is SMARTER ALL of previous generations of Muslims.
Sheikh Akhvan ‘knows’ that what previous generations of Muslims ALL believed is FAKE.
So tell us, dear Sheikh, WHAT ELSE ABOUT ISLAM IS ‘FAKE’, besides this story and the SATANIC VERSES that Mohammed proclaimed as coming FROM ALLAH !!!
Were there MORE THAN TWO SATANIC VERSES??? Perhaps, there were TEN satanic verses in the Koran? Perhaps, there were FORTY satanic verses? Or … let us ask for the sake of scholarship … perhaps ALL of Mohammed’s verses and ALL of the HADITHS are of PURELY HUMAN ORIGIN and they were fabricated by crafty caliphs and their unscrupulous scribes.
If Islam’s MOST TRUSTED SOURCES OF INFORMATION CANNOT BE TRUSTED … then NOTHING in Islam may be trusted.
Sheikh Sadiq Akhvan is admitting that Islam’s PRIMARY SOURCES ARE FAKE and thus, Muslims may discard them freely WITH CONFIDENCE.
Oh Muslims, Islam is declared to be ‘fake’ by a SHEIKH.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I *don’t* believe that Sheikh Sadiq Akhvan is recognizing that Islam is false–firstly, this is intended for Infidels, not Muslims. Then, far from rejecting Islamic hatred of Jews, he is doubling down on it. Finally, the Shia *already* reject Sunni Hadiths–but this does not translate into an actual rejection of Islam and its horrors in toto, and never has.
Jaladhi says
Muslims are liars> Period. And their imams/sheikhs….. are super liars rewriting history!
mortimer says
Jaladhi, Islam’s leading teachers are seeing that SOURCE TEXTS ARE FAKE. This is the beginning of the end for Islam.
Benedict says
Muslims just can’t and won’t understand that anything bad and evil can be inspired by their canon.
If a Muslim is evil it’s because he is a Jew, a Christian, an American, a white etc. etc. A Muslim who kills – preferentially Jews – and terrorizes and lies and steals and rapes etc.etc., but does it in order to honor his prophet and recites the shahada and says his prayers according to the manual, is by definition a good person. And if this picture of a good Muslim is challenged, he just starts to kill – preferentially Jews – and to terrorize and to lie and to steal and to rape etc. etc., but he does it in order to honor his prophet and recites the shahada and says his prayers according to the manual while doing it, so that no one can deny that he is a good Muslim, and if anyone challenges that he is a good Muslim, he just starts to kill – preferentially Jews – and to terrorize and to lie and to steal and to rape etc. etc. etc. – I think that’s what’s called a vicious circle?
tedh754 says
Muslims are funny. “The Holocaust never happened, and we should kill all the Jews!”
gravenimage says
That sums it up, Ted.
Nautikos says
Well, Imam, ALL of the Koran is a fake, ‘constructed’ over the cause of many decades after the ‘official’ death of the bandit, killer and pedophile Muhammad. Written by men with an Arab ‘expansionist’ agenda who needed to inspire the warriors. .And ‘built in’ is the duty to practice TAQIYYA, to LIE for the cause, lies that depend on their success on the vast (and often willful) ignorance of ‘infidel’ world, the dar al-harb…
commonsense says
Sheikh Akvan asks: “How is (the Holocaust) the fault of the Arabs and the Muslims?”
Hey, Akvan – ever hear of Haj Amin al-Husseini? Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who helped Adolf H. organize a Bosnian SS unit to slaughter Jews in Europe and who urged Hitler to prohibit European Jews from finding refuge in mandatory Palestine to escape the Holocaust, which Husseini championed? Forgot about him, eh?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr spencer, how can you consider people tried and convicted for treachery breaching the terms treaty of peace they duly signed to be murdered in cold blood?Remember ,the impartial judge reached his decision according to the terms of the treaty and it was only the warriors among them that were ordered by the impartial tribunal to be executed and members of their family to be slaves. The church did worse than that during crusade Wars and in Spain pursuant to pagan Bible the book of genocide and ethnic cleansing, especially samuel 15:3 and book of Numbers 31:17. In fact the dancing Idol of Fatima in Portugal is the statute of a Muslim lady enslaved and forced to convert to filthy mithraist christianity. Can you dispute that? Note:the Jews were among those who were slaughtered during crusade wars where fighters for Christ swimmed in muslim and jewish bloods up-to their ankles in Jerusalem. Before then mithraist christian Byzantines slaughtered Jews and expelled the rest until Muslims sacked Byzantine colonisers and Jews were allowed to come back. Again, mithraist christian Nazis killed more than half of world Jews. In return, the evil Jews are now carrying out systematic genocidal killings of Palestinians instead of mithraist christian west who had been slaughtering them for centuries. It is sad!!
Terry Gain says
Yo Muhammad
After the slaughter who forced your evil prophet to take Safiyah as as sex slave?
don vito says
itace, I see your islamic pornographic mind is working overtime to rewrite history. Good Job /sarc.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr spencer, how can you consider people tried and convicted for treachery breaching the terms treaty of peace they duly signed to be murdered in cold blood?Remember ,the impartial judge reached his decision according to the terms of the treaty and it was only the warriors among them that were ordered by the impartial tribunal to be executed and members of their family to be slaves.
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Really–how can you not trust the “impartial” judge who decided to murder all the tribe’s men, steal all the tribe’s goods, and enslave the tribe’s women and children? sarc/off
Note that *this* is what Ibrahim itace muhammed considers “impartial” just against the ‘filthy Infidels’.
More:
The church did worse than that during crusade Wars and in Spain pursuant to pagan Bible the book of genocide and ethnic cleansing, especially samuel 15:3 and book of Numbers 31:17.
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Note that Ibrahim itace muhammed has no problem with actual genocide, but is *enraged* that anyone might fight back against Jihad. This is nothing new from him, of course.
More:
In fact the dancing Idol of Fatima in Portugal is the statute of a Muslim lady enslaved and forced to convert to filthy mithraist christianity. Can you dispute that?
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Anyone can dispute this idiocy. Our Lady of Fatima is a commemoration of three shepherd children who saw an apparition of the Virgin Mary in 1917. This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. And no–the Virgin Mary is not Muslim.
More:
Note:the Jews were among those who were slaughtered during crusade wars where fighters for Christ swimmed in muslim and jewish bloods up-to their ankles in Jerusalem. Before then mithraist christian Byzantines slaughtered Jews and expelled the rest until Muslims sacked Byzantine colonisers and Jews were allowed to come back. Again, mithraist christian Nazis killed more than half of world Jews. In return, the evil Jews are now carrying out systematic genocidal killings of Palestinians instead of mithraist christian west who had been slaughtering them for centuries. It is sad!!
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Why would Ibrahim itace muhammed consider the murder of Jews sad?. He has said how much he himself looks forward to taking part in the genocide of the Jews.
Save Europe says
Why did the Crusades happen?
Why are most Bosnians, Muslim?
YOUR invasion of Europe, you pillock!
And really……. How many times can you use the word ‘mithraist’, you utter tosser !!!!!
Richard L Anthony says
Ibrahim itace muhammed I guess you think you saying something clever by “filthy mithraist christianity.” Not sure were you are going with that given the fact that Mithraism was a devotional pagan religion (contemporaneous with Christianity) that was popular among Roman soldiers. So the connection you are trying to make is a bit ecoteric to say the least. Additionally, how can the Byzantines be viewed as colonizers relative to the Muslims if they were there long before anyone showed up from the deserts of Arabia via Turkey. Also…. how were the Mithraists filthy???? Were they like the cynics… of Greece and didn’t bath???? I believe there isn’t much in the way of surviving historical lore concerning Mithraists other than some surviving bass relief sculptures.
esther says
Imams are stand up comedians with access ONLY to really
lousy material
FYI says
So is Sahih Muslim # 6985 fabricated too?
“There is a Jew behind me…kill him”
Sahih Muslim # 6985:islam’s call for Genocide against the Jews.
{Tell that to the Lefty Liberals and the Dhimmis who pander to islam!}
Now let me guess:the Jews made that one up to make the muslims look bad….?
gravenimage says
Muslim cleric claims that story of Muhammad killing 900 Jews is a “Holocaust-like lie” fabricated by the Jews
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Wait–now Ibn Ishaq–the “Prophet’s” official Islamic biographer–is Jewish? That must be news to all the pious Muslims out there…
But this is not intended for their consumption, of course–instead, it is aimed at the “filthy Infidels”.
G179 says
So, where are the Saudi Jews?
gravenimage says
Good question…
Save Europe says
Mmmmmmm…..it is in the Koran is it not????
Khaybar, I believe. Ironically, virtually every Muslim I’ve ever met say the Holocaust never happened!
gravenimage says
This is not irony–it is Taqiyya.
Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says
The hatred that emanates from Islamic literature, turns those who submit to it into irrational idiots.
They argue and dispute everything, they can’t agree on anything.
Muhammadans are the slipperiest, sneakiest and most deceptive people to communicate with on earth.
It must be hard being a Muhammadan, you’ve got to go about your everyday life knowing full well you follow an absolute monster, a vile pagan warrior who hated Jews and Christians so much it became a natural and virtuous stance to hold, yet in countries where these people live, a very present danger if exposed.
The paranoid relationships they are involved in makes them liars and deceivers in almost every conversation they have, to such extent that I assume every single one of them is a born liar.
alex Reid says
How can it be a lie? It’s in all the Islamic texts. So, if it isn’t a lie, Allah/God/Archangel Gabriel have been telling lies. The main problem is the West don’t want to take the action needed to sort this anarchy out. Our “Leaders” haven’t got the courage to order what is necessary.
Ade Fegan says
So that would make him a Muhammadan holocaust denier right ?
Jack Cade says
Question from an Infidel: Why do Muslim barrows retell Jewish lies?
Mirren10 says
Sorry to be off topic. I’ve seen this phrase ”muslim barrows” used before, and can’t find out what it means, although I have googled it. Please explain !
gravenimage says
I’ve seen it, too, and don’t know its origin or exact meaning, either. One of the more obscure meanings of “barrow” is “pig”, though.
Mirren10 says
Thanks, graven.