Tlaib’s statement here is part of the ongoing effort to rewrite early American history to put Muslims in it, and to recast Thomas Jefferson as an Islamophilic multiculturalist. Reality was different. Jefferson owned a Qur’an because he understood that one must know one’s enemy in order to know how to defeat him. In 1786, Jefferson and John Adams met in London with Sidi Haji Abdrahaman, the eyalet (administer) of Tripolitania’s ambassador to London. Jefferson recounted in a letter to Congress what Abdrahaman’s response was when he and Adams asked him “concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury”:
The ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
Thus it had been since the beginning of Islam, and thus it would remain. This particular eruption of the long hostility that Barbary piracy represented came to a head in 1801, when Yusuf Karamanli, the bashaw of Tripoli, increased his demands on an already cash-strapped republic, demanding 220 thousand dollars up front and twenty-five thousand dollars each year from the United States. The new president, Jefferson, opted to go to war rather than continue paying these increasingly exorbitant tributes. Emerging victorious against the Barbary states in 1805 and again in a second war in 1815, the Americans freed themselves from paying tribute and put an end to this long episode of jihad on the high seas.
Get more details about this first American defense against the jihad in The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS.
“Rashida Tlaib to use Jefferson’s Quran for swearing-in ceremony,” Roya News, December 23, 2018:
US Congressman Rashida Tlaib revealed that she will be sworn in as a member of the US Congress by swearing on an English translated copy of the Quran, by George Suss in 1734, a copy obtained by Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the United States.
According to the Detroit Free Press, Tlaib will borrow this version of the Qur’an from the Rare Books and Special Collections section of the Library of Congress.
“It’s important to me because a lot of Americans have this kind of feeling that Islam is somehow foreign to American history,” said Tlaib, “Muslims were there at the beginning. … Some of our founding fathers knew more about Islam than some members of Congress now.”…
Talib also decided to wear a traditional Palestinian thobe (dress) on the day she is sworn in into US congress.
Sabri S. says
Allah u Akbar!! Now the transition starts. The Senate is next, and then the presidency – again if you count Barak in his closeted role. It is hard to refute that many of Americans ills would be solved by Islam. Everyone should hope for the success of these 2 congresswomen! Put the politics and bigotry aside, and submit to Allah for a better life!!
tedh754 says
That’s funny!
Mark Swan says
Absolutely tedh754.
US infidel says
Allah sucks .Tom Jefferson had a koran to understand the enemy. You lying boy lovers want to twist it and force your bullshit on us poor infidels . If Islam is so great how come you have to force it on nonbelievers and kill the ones who leave it .how come your turban is dirty
Judith Kassel says
You are exactly right! The Optics of swearing-in a person who is forced to
follow a religion/military/political that’s Islamic Goal is World Domination
will be considered a victory for Islam’s Cult of Death! Right now, every American
citizen needs to contact their Governors who are not muslims, yet, an d
ask for State Legislation to BLOCK sharia law in your State to protect
your State citizens. Don’t wait for DC to protect your State Constitutions!
Our US Constitution is under attack! People are ignorant of islam’s death
hold on muslims tot destroy Christians/Jews/non-muslims!
Tom Cox says
Our Constitution only protects us if it is honored. When some of our judges defer decisions to Sharia they
nullify our constitution. Period.
Luci says
EVERY patriotic, common sense American citizen KNOWS why Thomas Jefferson kept the BOOK! As was stated, he wanted to KNOW what enemy he was fighting for our beloved country! Anyone who has read the HISTORY of Islam has no illusions about their main goal and how they plan to achieve it! Complete annihilation of everyone who does NOT ascribe to their ideology! It is NOT a “religion”! Those who worship man-made idols, made from minerals are NOT serious! How COULD they be, when their idol is DEAD! What happened to the “McCarren-Walter Act of 1952” BANNING all muslims from holding public office in our United States of America? Is it STILL in affect, or did the “Previous Puppet” make it even easier for an enemy to invade our system? THIS is SICKENING! Having a personal and loving relationship with the ONE true and LIVING God; I really believe HE is allowing this to happen just to see how far Christians (God Almighty Worshipers”) will allow this to go before WE take a stand for HIS moral laws, our Constitution, revered Documents! Written, carefully recorded and treasured by MANY! The ONLY guide to the safety, security, and RIGHTS for American citizens! Another aspect is; By swearing on a book that shows the evil of Islam, read and deciphered by an American President to understand the brutality, devious and their demented agenda, holds a CURSE! That will not only negate the effect of their subterfuge and deceit, but destroy their plans! Swearing on a cursed book will have major repercussions! God, creator of our universe and ALL that is within it, will bring them to their knees begging the rocks and mountains to fall on them! Armageddon is a FACT, as described in Revelation! Whether non-believers scoff and ridicule does not matter in the LEAST to the Supreme God who STILL controls what happens! Those who love him KNOW his children don’t have to worry! We can be at peace KNOWING he’ll resolve it for his children and the world he intends to recreate! Their depraved plans on earth is but a ‘vapor’! Heaven, is for eternity! Praise the Lord!
Mark Swan says
Good Post Luci, lots Of Heart In That One.
gravenimage says
All too true, Tom.
skai says
Luci Very true in what you said,And I must add that their Quran Sura 2:193 ”Fight against them[ Infidels/kafirs ] until Idolatry is NO more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme ” That is what muslims have been doing for the last 1439 years .Now see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
John Bloxson Jr. says
They are now invading as refugees but when they become the majority through large families they will expect all to bow a knee to Islam, they will tax those of the Christian Church until they are enslaved then they will give you a choice convert or die the if you refuse they will behead you so that is the Real goal of International Islam they only care about Jihad and will use every way of it to conquer.
WASP says
Sabri, you are merely a provocateur. If you live in the USA, ‘shame’ on you. If you were born in the USA and have allegiance to political Islam why not move to the middle east or some other Islamic state?…we all know why you won’t….you and ‘all’ political Islamists, lazy, self loathing, social sucking parasites whose only goal in life is to destroy all non-believers of your fake god and disgusting prophet….a misfit, a manipulator and liar….We KNOW your game plan and Americans will FIGHT you to your demise….your fake god awaits.
Ken says
Where are we going? Therms for all Congress and Senate members. And age /72/ limit. It will help to save USA.
mortimer says
Yes, Sabri, the United States will soon be like Pakistan, Chad, Afghastlistan and other Islamic Berzerkistans.
What a delusion you have.
I presume you are serious. BTW, Islam is the MOST BIGOTED of all faiths, with bigotry as an ‘ESSENTIAL’ and COMPULSORY teaching called AL WALAA WAL BARAA.
Sabri, you are exposing your credulous simplicity to people who have read Islam’s source texts.
gravenimage says
+1
boakai ngombu says
” … It is hard to refute that many of Americans ills would be solved by Islam….”
Sabri, what ILLS might those be? the same which remain in Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia…perhaps?
it seems many suffer more ills, you allude to, by following Muhammad (lately contrived; full of lusts, lacking compassion) whose thoughts were tinged with anger and wrath. there’s an excellent history about jihad written by Robert Spencer that truly demonstrates islam has no clue about solving anything the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) taught your exemplar only about waste and destruction..
Carolyne says
I here and now refute that Islam can solve anything and it is not hard at all. Easy as falling off a log.
t says
Your response to Sabri is right on, boakai! That’s exactly what I had in mind.
t says
Thanks R.S. for this gem of history you shared with us in this article.
It proves that is Islam was and is very consistent in its Jihad against the whole world.
Why it’s not mandatory that candidates for American presideny to be tested in their knowledge about past major threats faced by previous American presidents? That would have saved the nation from many useless wars, deaths and tons of money.
Undaunted says
Fuck off, touch-hole,
gravenimage says
I see the repulsive Sabri S. is back.
Just think of the “ills” that could be solved by Islam here! Americans would not have to be so affluent, for one thing. And they wouldn’t have to gripe about the IRS anymore–not when they would have to pay the crushing Jizya “with all humility”.
We wouldn’t have to worry about being free anymore–what a relief! sarc/off
Women could look forward to forced veiling, forced marriage, child marriage, FGM, legalized wife beating, “Honor Killing”, and being stoned to death.
Really, that’s just scratching the surface of all the “benefits” we’d have…
Mark Swan says
Yes indeed gravenimage, they want to benefit the heck out of us.
gravenimage says
+1
Joe Felon says
Great idea! Lets transition from the wealthiest country on Earth whose citizens enjoy freedoms never imagined in islamic republics. Lets eliminate the Constitution, along with the Bill of Rights, and replace it with sharia law in which the end result will be dhimmitude for all non-believers and regression to the 7th century. I’m sure every homosexual in America can’t wait to return to the closet, or face death by being thrown off the roof of a high building or stoning. I’m also positive every citizen of the greatest country on Earth can’t wait to live in a poverty stricken, medieval waste land resembling every other country, albeit those producing oil, where islam is the majority and sharia is the law. Basically, you are out of your fucking mind. Your so-called religion has contributed nothing but poverty, rape, murder and misery to mankind. If you desire this, move to an islamic republic and enjoy.
Raja says
Sabri S,
You mean to say “My god is greater than your god”? This is another source of problem all over the globe.
If there is only one god (there is) how come “My god is greater than your god”? .Is these any scope for your god? To me this is perfect example of how Islam pits a god against another god?
Islam loves to be in constant war with every nation and even individuals are not spared..r
John Bloxson Jr. says
You are 100% correct and them swearing on the Koran says that they hold Shariah Law above U. S. Constitutional law. And their views must become the Dominant over our laws.
Jayell says
“Put the politics and bigotry aside….”
Isn’t it funny how the Friends of the Great Prophet almost invariably come back to the ‘b’-word (bigot) like some sort of magic mantra when they haven’t got an argument, whilst ignoring the fact that by attempting to ignore logic and steamroller through everyone else’s point of view in favour of their own, they are the ones who are the bigots? It takes one to think that they know one, and to be totally blind to their own bigotry. So Jefferson owned a Qur’an. I’ve got a Qur’an. Mr. Spencer has a Qur’an. None of us have ever had the slightest inclination to associate ourselves with this ‘ideology’, and owning the evidence simply clarifies the reason why we don’t want anything to do with it; but an islam-obsessed bigot would no doubt never understand that since by their very own nature they would be incapable of/would never want to understand any other point of view. By the way, I am now becoming extremely irritated by individuals who try write themselves into someone else’s history. It’s like the criminal fraudster who attempts to assume possession of the house by forging a spurious copy of the original deeds. You want somewhere nice to live? Go build it yourself, like we had to. Don’t go stealing what’s not yours.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Jayell—good post.
Frederick King says
She is sort of correct. Actually muslims had quite an influence. They captured and sold slaves to early Americans , when slavery was legal. Muslims continued the tradition of slavery, catching, selling and using them well into the 20th century and even some now, in africa, at the least.
fredoniahead says
By the way, Jefferon’s koran is not by George Suss, that must be a typo.
it is by George SALE.
He made the first English translation back in the 1730’s. Yes, she is right…Islam was there at the beginning…being the same blight and pestilence on the world as it has always been.
We all know better, but how many vacuous zombies out there don’t.
Many Americans should be ashamed to be that stupid and gullible, but they’re not.
This is why history is no longer taught; it makes it asier to fill the minds full of mush with this Marxist revisionist BS
NotALib_NoMo says
Hi there! Would you happen to be one of allahu’s ackbarbarians?
John Bloxson Jr. says
There is only one TRIUNNE GOD AND allah is not it. The TRIUNNE GOD of the BIBLE not the historical revisionist Mohamud. The Quran is only holy to Islam the Bible is Holy to all people even if they refuse to accept it Allah is not god and not the answer. The Muslims have never been united as on they have sects Sunni, Shi’ite, Suffies, Dervishes, and several smaller sects none are in full agreement on their beliefs. So Sabri S you Islamic Revisionism is bull manure Islam was not apart of America’s founding in 1644 the sold slaves from Africa to Boston bay Colony. From 1650-1910 they raided merchant ships and enslaved American Sailors. In 1804 the seized an American Naval Vessel the U. S. S. Philadelphia and over a period of4yesrs killed the 209 crew including the Captain. In 1811 we burned the ship in the Tripoli Harbor and seized the Muslim Pirate and then the raiding stopped NOT! They raided they seized our envoys and messengers beheaded some of them. So this is what part of America’s founding and Independence the Islamic world did . They did not help Washington they did not act as part of the First Second Continental Congress’s. They were not involved in any meaningful way to the Writing of the Constitution of the United States the only thing they did was sell slaves and seize american merchant Sailors and enslave them this is the true and real history of Islam and America!
CogitoErgoSum says
Sure. Take an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States on a book which demands that the Constitution be substantially altered so as to allow Islam to rule over the lives of everyone.
Jay says
Very well,stayed. Thank you
Jay says
Very well stated.Thank you ??????
CogitoErgoSum says
Jefferson used that Quran to learn about what he was up against in fighting the Barbary Muslims. The people of the United States need to find out what it is that Jefferson learned from the book.
Note: He did not do what the book demanded he do.
katherine says
Substantially altered is an understatement – they want to TRASH the entire Constitution and replace it with Sharia. Every state shall have an Emissary in Washingstan to coordinate policies with the 51 Eminent Muftis of the nation.
MIT will provide mathematical proof that the earth is flat, while Caltech will concentrate reseach on those bright windows and spears in the sky-dome.
Cape Obama, using infidel scientists then specializes on development of ICBMs to incinerate Infidel nations like China and Russia.
FYI says
In fact she should be made to swear on…. the Bible.
The Bible,in the Exodus 20 Commandments,condemns bearing FALSE WITNESS.
It also condemns murder,stealing,adultery etc,the very things that allah permits in his koran.
The teachings of the koran are in total disagreement with God’s Commandments.
To swear on a Bible is to swear by God’s Commandments which condemn bearing False witness:to swear on a koran is to swear by allah’s warped commandment-violating code which permits the bearing of false witness to promote islam{taqqiya,taysin,muruna,kitman etc}
lebel says
“The Bible,in the Exodus 20 Commandments,condemns bearing FALSE WITNESS.
It also condemns murder,stealing,adultery etc,the very things that allah permits in his koran.
The teachings of the koran are in total disagreement with God’s Commandments.”
You must be reading the jihadwatch version. The real version has god ordering Joshua to destroy 31 kingdoms and kill every living being including babies and animals. Not exactly a book of high ethics.
CogitoErgoSum says
Maybe that order was meant for Joshua only? And you are saying that since Muhammad and Muslims were order to kill infidels wherever they find them it is not a book of high ethics either?
CogitoErgoSum says
By “it” I am referring to the Quran.
FYI says
…Said lebel,the professional lying muslim apologist..ethics is not as subject YOU would know much about!
Please don’t lecture us on ethics or morality:what a hypocrite!
You have defended islamic rape,murder,terrorism and evil….you are an inveterate liar and rudely ill-educated in both the koran or the Bible.
Lying is your forte.
Nadir says
A key difference from Islam, however, is that the massacres recounted in the Bible were over and done with thousands of years ago. They are not an ongoing, operative command to all Jews and Christians to conquer or kill everyone in their path until Biblical Law is established over the entire earth.
As for your poo-pooing of Biblical ethics, I’d be willing to put Christian and Jewish societies up against Muslim or atheist ones any day when it comes to human achievements.
Raja says
Muslims harp on different versions of Bible as they think they are superior or that Koran is superior. Actually no one has misunderstood bible or has imitated Joshua.
Joshua did what was told to him. It was God’s way of avenging people who dealt wrongfully to God’s people and also who did detestable things in the “sight” of God.. God knows when and how do deal with people who are obstinate and bent on doing only evil. He has dealt with Israel in similar way whenever they rebelled against Him.
Joshua was specifically commanded to kill some people with explicit behavior and NOT as a general command AS IN Islam Unlike Islam God has not commanded Joshua to exterminate all people all the time /ages.
Also, God in his foresight knows who would be a nagging pain to others, including those who would NEVER live peacefully. God has not destroyed Muslims because Muslims minus Islam would be wonderful people.
Elisha says
BY implication, the quran lacks ethics as the quran CONFIRMS (sura 5:47, 10:94, et al) and CONTRADICTS (sura 4:157, 60:4, et al) the Bible, therefore the quran is FALSE! Thanks for playing.
J D S says
@ level….BUT WAIT…YOU HAVEN’T READ “THE REST OF THE STORY”
Find anywhere in the NEW COVENANT..”The blood of JESUS THE CHRIST” Found in the pages of the NEW COVENANT, THE NEW TESTAMENT, where Jesus tells us to kill anyone.
Islam, which by the way is a “made up religion” made up by muhammad (Oops! If he ever actually existed. No Historical Proof) who tried and is continually trying, by Islam’s adherents , to replace God’s NEW COVENANT with a murderous system of religion…islam. Now how stupid is that..trading a religion of peace and love with a religion filled with murder, rape, Enslavement. Lying. treachery, and all sorts if unGodly, unspeakable acts.SATAN IS ALIVE AND AT WORK IN ISLAM.
Mark Swan says
Raja, I like what you have said here.
davedutchess says
How can swearing in on anything BUT the bible: be legal or acceptable? If this goes through-I wait for the first time she breaks US law according to the Constitution-then prosecute her and “nail her to the cross” (figuratively). Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office in the US- Cair and numerous US attorneys (weaponized by the Obama administration) are manipulating our laws against the American people.
Hey Robert, Amil, Raheel, and Soern: how do we stop this erosion?
gravenimage says
Spot on comments, CogitoErgoSum.
Jay says
This is complete madness!! Using this copy of Jefferson’s Koran book is completely taken out
of context! Obama was a phony from the beginning and a complete traitor to everything the USA stands for and was founded on!! Why is this being allowed is the real question ??
God bless and save America from the madness! And soon !
Camille Haggard says
It is very important that we spread this information around every time Islam is promoted as being here at the beginning. We must educate!
gravenimage says
So true, Jay.
somehistory says
She’s a snake, a hooded cobra, hissing lies. Sure, moslims were “there” at the beginning…fighting, robbing, killing, enslaving and selling slaves….working their evil. But she won’t say that part.
And Jefferson did “know more about islam” than many today. So did J.Q. Adams. But they didn’t agree with the “book,’ nor did they wish moslims to be a part of the government they had formed.
The mb said they would take down the “miserable house from within.” Holding a filthy book, lying and pretending and at the same time, wearing the clothes that put the facts out front…she is carrying out the mb’s orders.
She can only “serve” two years…unless the system keeps going and she is elected again. Hopefully, that won’t happen.
Wellington says
Muslims played virtually no part in the founding and early growth of America. More to the point, the Islamic world could never have produced what Thomas Jefferson did, i.e., the Declaration of Independence and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. What a farce it is that Muslims think they played some role in the establishment of America. They played no role and everything that made Thomas Jefferson up would have made him hostile to Islam in its entirety.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Somehistory and Wellington.
lebel says
The crucial point is that, unlike you, Jefferson did not draw the conclusion that Islam and Muslims must be evil. He saw it as just another religion.
“Every religion consists of moral precepts, and of dogmas. In the first they all agree. All forbid us to murder, steal, plunder, bear false witness &ca. and these are the articles necessary for the preservation of order, justice, and happiness in society. In their particular dogmas all differ; no two professing the same. These respect vestments, ceremonies, physical opinions, and metaphysical speculations, totally unconnected with morality, and unimportant to the legitimate objects of society. Yet these are the questions on which have hung the bitter schisms of Nazarenes, Socinians, Arians, Athanasians in former times, and now of Trinitarians, Unitarians, Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinists, Methodists, Baptists, Quakers &c. Among the Mahometans we are told that thousands fell victims to the dispute whether the first or second toe of Mahomet was longest; and what blood, how many human lives have the words ‘this do in remembrance of me’ cost the Christian world!… We see good men in all religions, and as many in one as another. It is then a matter of principle with me to avoid disturbing the tranquility of others by the expression of any opinion on the [unimportant points] innocent questions on which we schismatize, and think it enough to hold fast to those moral precepts which are of the essence of Christianity, and of all other religions.
Source: Thomas Jefferson to James Fishback,1809
CogitoErgoSum says
Does fighting to demand the conversion of others to Islam or else the forced payment of Jizya disturb the tranquility of others? Jefferson chose to fight rather than pay. He held fast to his moral precepts which aligned more with Christianity than Islam. I respect him for that. A person who takes an oath upon the Quran is expressing neither goodwill towards all nor support for the preservation of the current order of justice in the United States.
Mark Swan says
Muslims like Sabri S. and lebel think they smell blood and like the
ravenous Hyenas’ they are, they gather round and snarl viciously
for the spoil.
A Muslim should never be allowed to take part in any governmental
office or work—their subversive belief, alone, easily prohibits them.
The American public has very little respect for politicians—here will
be just one more example of a pathetic member of Congress.
gravenimage says
Yes–that’s *exactly* how they are.
Wellington says
lebel: Thomas Jefferson probably understood Islam better than any other Founding Father but he still did not understand it well enough. If he had known what Nonie Darwish, Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, David Wood, Dr. Bill Warner, gravenimage, mortimer, Westman, CogitoErgoSum, Angemon, even yours truly, et al. have grasped about the true nature of Islam, I have no doubt he would have condemned it through and through.
Jefferson really didn’t believe in revealed religion. He refused to have a department of theology at the university he founded, the University of Virginia, because he considered theology a bogus discipline. He referred to the Trinity as “theological nonsense” and he most certainly didn’t think Jesus was divine, though he admired his ethical teachings and which is why he produced the “Jefferson Bible.” Had Jefferson known more about the character of Mohammed I have zero doubt he would have said essentially the same thing about him that the son of his good friend, John Adams, said about Mohammed. You should know the quote by now by America’s sixth President, John Quincy Adams, to wit, “The essence of his (Mohammed’s) doctrine was violence and lust, to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.”
The more one learns about Islam, assuming they have kept their built-in-crap detector they were born with fine tuned, the more one can only be disgusted by it. While I personally reject all revealed religion, only Islam among the major faiths of the world repulses me. Its overall ethic is hideous, it has no true Golden Rule for all, it is devoid of romantic love or really any kind of true love, and it is the only major faith which allows its believers to use force in this world to implement its dictates, including death for apostasy and death or severe bodily harm for any criticism of Islam, the Koran or Mohammed. No way, no way whatsoever, the Islamic world could have ever produced the likes of the Declaration of Independence, the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom or the Constitution of the United States of America. Any one of these three documents is itself far superior to the Koran or any document ever produced by the Islamic world. One knows this or should know it. I gather you don’t.
lebel says
” If he had known what Nonie Darwish, Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, David Wood, Dr. Bill Warner, gravenimage, mortimer, Westman, CogitoErgoSum, Angemon, even yours truly, et al. have grasped about the true nature of Islam, I have no doubt he would have condemned it through and through. ”
What do they know that he could not learn by simply reading the evil book known as the Qu’ran? surely you don’t need more to see how evil Islam is? He did read it.
Also don’t forget his experiences with the disgusting North African pirates.
Despite all that, this intelligent man did not come to the same conclusion as you or Mr. Fitzgerald. So either he was wrong or you’re wrong.
I am a bit more suspicious of Adams, as he unlike Jefferson, was a believing Christian: “My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ and I cannot cavil or quibble away [evade or object to]. . . . the whole tenor of His conduct by which He sometimes positively asserted and at others countenances [permits] His disciples in asserting that He was God”
It’s no surprise that he did not like Islam. He is in fact the precursor to today’s evangelicals who hate Muslims, worship Israel but can’t wait for the jews to leave judaism and convert to the REAL religion of Christianity.
Source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/president-john-adams-embraces-a-jewish-homeland-1819-2
Nadir says
Of course, those “hate”-filled Western European Christians managed to build the most desirable societies on earth, which Muslims are eager to enter en masse.
Wellington says
A believing Christian, lebel, is far to be preferred to a believing Muslim. And how do you know Jefferson read the Koran in its entirety? Again from you is put forward an assumption masquerading as an axiom.
Let me put it to you more plainly like once and for all, lebel. Virtually all religions engage in two threats, including Islam, but only Islam engages in a third threat. The two threats that almost all religions engage in, and I readily admit I don’t like this one bit, is that something negative will happen to you in the next world if you don’t believe in or do this, that or the other thing or the deity of choice will go after you in this world for the same disinclination to believe or do. But only Islam has the THIRD THREAT, to wit, that its believers in this world are allowed, encouraged, actually instructed, to use force in this world against non-believers (or Muzzies deemed not Muzzie enough).
In no other theological blueprint as a paradigm for action for all time are believers instructed to use force in this world to insure such things as death or subordination. This is what makes Islam uniquely heinous. And this is why all people who prize liberty should despise Islam. I doubt you will get this but I put it out there for the record nonetheless.
gravenimage says
Of course,the claim that John Adams only disliked Muslims pirating our ships and enslaving our crews because he was Christian is just grotesque.
gravenimage says
True, Nadir.
Elisha says
lebel, you are as ignorant of God as TJ was. Period. Feel free to keep embarrassing yourself.
thebigW says
by the time of Jefferson Muslims weren’t causing that much trouble except for the piracy in the Mediterranean, so Jefferson didn’t have too much reason to learn all about it, but then neither did John Quincy Adams who wasn’t too much later, but he knew a hell of a lot about how evil Islam is. (TJ 3rd President, JQA, 6th President)
Now nobody has any excuse anymore for still being an idiot about it.
Mark Swan says
After noting the harmful effects of trying to impose religion
on free people contrary to their free moral agency, Jefferson
stated his belief that in matters of religion, truth would surely
overcome error in human society if only government would
stay out of the way.
Mr. Jefferson saw his approach as humanity’s only hope of
attaining that truth, and had hope that humanity could do so.
So now enters into the land, the most absurd political
movement ever to be practiced religiously—Islam—
where the truth means absolutely nothing—where error
is its theme—where there is a militant fanaticism to
dominate in replacing all non-members with members,
slaves or corpses. Just read their so-called religious
writings—a manifesto of unjust subjugation.
The country is being inundated with enemies who
thrive on its goodness, who brush aside kindness
with deception and contempt.
What say you Muslims—would Mr. Jefferson
welcome you here.
Keys says
Well said, Mark Swan.
Mark Swan says
Lebel says “I am a bit more suspicious of Adams, as he unlike Jefferson, was a believing Christian”
John Adams was nicknamed “The Hell-Hound of Slavery”
for relentlessly speaking out against slavery and single-handedly
led the fight to lift the gag rule that prohibited discussion of slavery
on the House floor.
In 1841, John Qunicy Adams defended 53 Africans accused of mutiny
aboard the slave ship Amistad. He won their case before the Supreme
Court, giving them back their freedom.
African slaves brought to America were purchased at Muslim slave markets.
Yes it seems he was a Christian—who practiced what He believed.
FYI says
It’s a shame you are too much of a moral coward to admit you are a muslim Mr lebel.
But it is to be expected from the taqqiya-tongued islamic apologists like you..
Nadir says
Whether or not one believes Islam or individual Muslims to be “evil” is beside the point. The important question for us today is whether the mass immigration of millions of Muslims poses a threat to Western societies, and the theological and historical evidence seems to clearly point to the affirmative.
thebigW says
The fact that it’s still a “question” shows me there ain’t much hope for us in the long run. Sure after my lifetime, what do I care about my great grandchildren’s grandchildren eh?
Keys says
There is always hope. The fact is it is a question for some, not all.
And more and more are realizing what Islam is and is not.
Joe says
You seem to forget that he started a war against Islam and won. Yet Jefferson never started a war against any other religion.
gravenimage says
Jefferson did not start a war against Islam. He made sure our ships–and eventually the whole Mediterranean, after Britain and France joined in–were safe from Muslim piracy. He did not start hostilities.
Chatillon says
“Every religion consists of moral precepts, and of dogmas. In the first they all agree. All forbid us to murder, steal, plunder, bear false witness &ca” –Thomas Jefferson as posted by Iebel
This statement is wrong. Clearly Jefferson did not read the ahadith. He mistakenly assumed that the Qur’an would parallel the Bible in its ability to fully describe the precepts governing the behavior of its adherents. The Qur’an, by itself, can do no such thing. If Mohammed is the excellent example of behavior, as the Qur’an avers, then the devout Mahotmen needs have such examples to follow. Those reside in the ahadith. And those examples put the lie to Jefferson’s words above.
Jefferson was a great man and did good for this country. But he was not a Christian and should not be canonized as any kind of saint.
PRCS says
Thank you.
jihad3tracker says
HERE IS THE HOTLINK TO ROBERT’S ITEM ABOVE —
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/muslim-rep-rashida-tlaib-to-be-sworn-in-on-jeffersons-quran-muslims-were-there-at-the-beginning
Please email it to your senators and representatives — conservative Republicans and ESPECIALLY JIHAD-BOOSTING, FREEDOM-HATING DEMOCRATS ! ! !
I suggest this tactic for what you write in the email subject box —
To Repubs, just the simple truth explained by Robert.
To Dems, title it NEUTRALLY, not hostile, so it will actually be opened.
You have a better chance of getting someone’s attention by routing it to a STATE DISTRICT OFFICE, not the very busy one in Washington DC.
Finally, to really p*ss off the Fantasy Islam admirers, end whatever you write with “I hope for the old-fashioned courtesy of a reply to my remarks.”
Logic&Reason says
Islam was there at the beginning alright….
They sparked the need for the brand new United States to develop a naval force strong enough to defeat the Barbary barbarians.
New country? New infidels to add to their 1200-year list!
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Robert, I believe that Jefferson bought his copy of George Sale’s translation of the Qur’an, published in 1734, when he was a law student. He bought it not so much to understand his enemy — that enemy which revealed itself in 1786, in London, in the person of Sidi Haji Abdrahaman, who explained to Jefferson why Muslims had a perfect right to make war on Unbelievers — but out of the same curiosity that caused him to acquire 6,487 books for his personal library.
He was astonished at Abdrahaman’s explanation, and I suspect that when he finally returned to Monticello he then read the Qur’an he had bought years before, this time in order, as you write, to know his enemy.
The Arab news site Roya, in its triumphant report on Rashida Tlaib, Jefferson’s Qur’an, and her swearing-in (she has announced she will be wearing, a “Palestinian” thobe, no doubt to make sure everyone knows whom she is representing), misattributes the translation to George Suss, not George Sale. Could the Roya editors have subconsciously been thinking of “Jew Suss”?
Robert Spencer says
Hugh, thank you. I hadn’t noticed how they mangled Sale’s name. An infelicitous typo indeed.
Regards
Robert
Alexios Comnenos says
She makes everything a joke and a false. She married her brother to bring him in the US.
I cannot believe the American are so stupid.
jihad3tracker says
Hello Alexios — I think you are referring to Ilhan Omar.
But we can both agree that the rapacious stupidity of MUSLIMAS LIKE TLAIB AND OMAR leads them to behave in ways that only their most ardent leftist Dem fans find appealing.
Hugh Fitzgerald’s 1:27 PM three paragraph comment (above) mentioning the “Palestinian” thobe which Tlaib plans to wear is a perfect example of such aggressive in-our-faces conduct.
jihad3tracker says
When Mr. Fitzgerald’s first post appeared on JW many moons ago and caught my eye, I thanked him for joining Robert’s superb array of contributors. Let me take this opportunity to repeat the appreciation.
Scholarly in the best way, well cited, snarkily humorous— all in the service of helping obstinate scales fall from multi-culti privilege-guilt illusion-bound eyes.
gravenimage says
Thank you for the additional background, Mr.Fitzgerald.
Gene says
“Muslims were there at the beginning.“
True. They were robbing, raping, murdering, extorting and enslaving Americans from the very beginning. Luckily, we ran out of money to pay tribute to Muslims and had to send the marines in, which settled things down for a while until we forgot they were mostly robbing, raping, murdering, extorting, slave traders, who fight against education, freedom and the Constitution. We still have to send the marines in, unfortunately most people ignore the lessons of the past now.
jihad3tracker says
Hello Gene — Your list of personality traits exhibited by worshippers of bloodthirsty Allah reminds me of Dr. David Wood’s contributions in the counter-jihad struggle.
I have often, in my years of posting here on JW, recommended his many videos. For newbies and those of us who do not yet know of his brilliance, try these:
“The Jihad Triangle”, “What Is Taqiyya?”, “Three Questions For Moderate Muslims”, “Allahu Akbar — Muhammad’s War Cry”, “Three Stages Of Jihad”, “Muhammad — The White Prophet With Black Slaves”,
“The Psychology Of Islam” (in 3 parts).
They range from brief to long. All are abundantly cited with passages from the Qur’an and Sunna. He also tosses, when merited, sarcasm and outrage into the pathological salad we call Islam.
Send the titles of your personal fave videos by David to clueless family, friends, faith leaders, local & state officeholders, and everyone else you can think of who refuse to face obvious reality.
dan christensen says
… Some of our founding fathers knew more about Islam than some members of Congress now.”…
The usual empty boast of an equally empty blockhead. He fools nobody but himself with this nonsense.
Who were the persons knowing more or less about the religion of hate and war? names please?
gravenimage says
A small point, but Rashida Tlaib is a Muslimah.
Robert Carrillo says
These people cannot tell the truth about ANYTHING. …”Know thine enemy” was the Jefferson approach, as he studied their up-side-down world, and “Book” of the Muhammad created insane asylum, as it should be for all of us..
Just “Call the Ball” for God’s sake..and knock off the slinging of the sometime-useful-byproduct-of-a BULL here..
Jefferson’s Qur’an should be retired as an artifact in the US War College Museum..and not being ALLOWED to be misused in this dishonorable manner..
jewdog says
Just a little preview of Islamic hijacking of another country’s identity. “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” has nothing on Islam.
The Istanbulian says
Muslims were there at the beginning with slave markets in Libya. America had slave markets well.
America is here now without slave markets while the slave markets in Libya are still present.
Islam was there at the beginning with a foreign policy that caused America to have intervene overseas and islam is still here today with a foreign policy that causes America to intervene overseas.
Is that the stand you want to make rashida?
Alexios Comnenos says
Yes. The muslims were the trade slaves all over the world. This goes back to the 7th century. Shame an all those who voted for this anti-American politician who will be sworn on a pagan paper. Shame on all those who voted fro her. Those are in the first place the enemies of America. She does not have any other motive just to undermine the integrity of the politics system. Nothing else.
Islam was snot here and its not part of America. This insane things are happening because of the hizra, the passive jihad to subdue the west and its inept and naive people who welcome them.
Alexios Comnenos says
Ih she will be allowed to ‘swear’ on the Quran, what laws she will respect and follow?
The Quran says one thing and the US Constitution says contrary. Woe to America!
mortimer says
She swears to bear allegiance when the book on which she swears tells her not to take KAFIRS as ASSOCIATES !! The Koran also tells her to lie to kafirs and not to trust them.
GreekEmpress says
This is scary, very scary.
David Grisez says
Rashida Tlaib is doing the same thing as the previous Muslim congressman, taking the Oath of Office on Thomas Jefferson’s Koran. It is important to know that Thomas Jefferson had this Quran to educate himself on what motivated the Barbary Pirates to attack and raid our ships and take captives for ransom. We had much wiser leaders at the beginning of the United States than now, who realized that they needed to stop paying tribute to these Muslim Pirates and fight them to defeat them. As a result the United States formed the U.S. Navy and Marines to put a stop to these Barbary Pirates. Also the actions of the Barbary Pirates and Islam back at the beginning of the United States shows that Islam is still the same today as it was in the past, nothing has changed when it comes to Islamic Jihad,.
Carolyne says
I own an English version of the Koran, too, and I most certainly am not a Muslim. If nothing else did, this filthy book would encourage me to ridicule and detest Islam.
mortimer says
Rashida Tlaib’s use of Jefferson’s Koran for swearing-in ceremony simply DRAWS ATTENTION TO WHY Jefferson bought this book in the first place: BECAUSE OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM.
Anyone who uses this Koran of Jefferson is making Americans look up what happened to American ships in the Mediterranean.
Jefferson only expressed repugnance for the doctrines he heard from the Tripolitanian ambassador and read in the Koran.
Rashida Tlaib draws attention that the first lessons America learned about Islam were 1) TERRORISM 2) EXTORTION.
Mary Estafanous says
now it start to teach american a false history……wake up american, don’t let them spread their lies…
Benedict says
When will someone be sworn in on The Satanic Bible?
David Grisez says
With all that the Koran teaches on fighting Jihad and hatred of all non muslims. The Koran is a like a Satanic Bible.
Elisha says
You mean Darwin’s “Origins” book? That’s the one they snuck into the classroom under the guise of “science” to replace God’s truth in the Bible. There is no difference, really, as believing his philosophical nonsense leads one down a path of self-centeredness and on to damnation.
gravenimage says
Elisha keeps claiming that a belief in science leads to damnation.
Actually, many scientists have been devout Christians. Characterizing an appreciation of the created world and a desire to know more about it like this is very odd.
lisalles says
why is our government allowing her to be sworn in under the koran? That is crazy. WHO made THAT decision? What is that politician’s name? Post that information. And while you are at it, post their email address, tweet account, facebook page, instagram, etc.
gravenimage says
Good question. And this is not the first time–Muslim Keith Ellison was also allowed to misuse Jefferson’s book.
PRCS says
There’s no requirement to swear allegiance on anything.
That given, will our 532 kufar elected “leaders” ever understand that Islam’s political and judicial teachings are antithetical to the oath they’ve all taken?
Tlaib, Omar, and Carson aren’t going to tell them. Ellison isn’t going to tell Minnesota’s electorate that.
I sent a polite letter to DiFi upon Ellison’s election to congress to make that case. She responded. Pure boilerplate (freedom of religion, etc.)
I provided a copy of Robert’s book “The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats Non-Muslims” to my previous congressman [the aptly named Doolittle]. Nary a word thereafter.
Reminded of the adage that one can lead a horse to water, how can we get even a vocal minority of those 532 to drink?
Mark Swan says
PRCS, that is a good question; short of a very loud and determined public outcry—
how do we get their attention.
Keys says
Start a “dhim-metoo” movement ?
?♂️
thebigW says
Hawaiian Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard swore in on the Bhagavad Gita (the Hindu scriptures). Since she’s been accused of being an “Islamophobe” I say more power to you Sister!
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party
WPM says
+1
That you for that link on Gabbard ,it shows not all democratic are insane when it comes to Islamic Jihad.
DHazard says
If Allah really existed he would represent the opposite of democracy. He is NOT the same God that Christians, Jews and other monotheists worship. You cannot be loyal to Allah and loyal to anything else, unless your a pretend Muslims who’s putting on a big public self identity drama with loads of virtue signalling. Puke.
commonsense says
Doesn’t Tlaib know, as a supposedly knowledgeable Muslima, that the only valid Qur’ans are those written in the original seventh century Arabic? Translations are, according to standard Muslim belief, poor approximations, and are liturgically useless. I suspect Tlaib does indeed know this, and chooses to swear on this English language version, despite its invalidity to Muslims, because of its provenance. It is an act of co-optation; i.e. a gesture of extreme contempt for our system of government, our history, our culture, and our Constitution, where she will be obliquely expressing the message that Islam has established a Rabat here in America, (i.e. a beachhead) and is, inexorably, on a triumphant path to domination.
gravenimage says
Yes–this is deliberate, trying to imply that Jefferson respected Islam.
tgusa says
The left will eventually have to choose between islam and the multitude of un-islamic sub groups they now cater to. If what we see in other countries that are run by leftists is any indication the very un-islamic multitude of leftist sub groups are in for big trouble in their already pre-determined future. Historians will probably label this era in western history as the regressive devolution. But don’t bother to tell them that, as we have seen, they wont believe you. Everyone else, prepare accordingly.
Mickey says
Someone please tell the liberals to stop trying to rewrite history. Obama tried it every time he pushed his Muslim crap on Americans. He’s a liar and he wants to transform America into his disgusting mindset.
So many Muslims think they are doing something great by taking oath of office on a Quran, which they seem to think Jefferson’s Quran likens to the bible they are supposed to take their oaths on. People please read. Obama wanted to change the narrative about the Muslims being in America and about Jefferson having a Quran. He did not tell the world the truth.
In the course of his Obama’s flattering remarks about the great contributions of Muslims to America, the President mentioned the presence at the banquet of two Muslim members of Congress: Andre Carson, Democrat from Indiana, and Keith Ellison, Democrat from Minnesota, the latter of whom took his oath on Thomas Jefferson’s copy of the Quran, which has been preserved in the Library of Congress.
What the President DID NOT mention is why Jefferson bought a Quran in London and why he read it. In preparing for war, HE READ IT TO FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF RELIGION THE RULERS OF THE BARBARY STATES ON THE COAST OF NORTH AFRICA BELIEVED IN.
For centuries the Muslim pirates had cruised the Mediterranean Sea, capturing ships and taking prisoners, forcing Christian nations to pay tribute for freedom of passage. To avoid such confrontations, some Christian nations were willing to appease the Islamic enemy by signing treaties requiring them to pay a certain amount of tribute each year. It was a form of extortion that Muslims could impose on frightened Christians.
The pirates also raided coastline villages and took prisoners. The reason why so many Christian Greek coastal villages were built up in the hills was to provide protection against the depredations of the Muslims. Millions of Africans and thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans were enslaved by these raiders, who killed many non-Muslim older men and women and kidnapped young women and children to be sold as concubines. The boys were often mutilated to create eunuchs for use in harems and as servants.
Congressman Keith Ellison, born in Detroit to a Catholic family, was converted at age 19 to Islam while at Wayne State University. In law school, he wrote articles in support of Louis Farrakhan, with whom he is no longer affiliated. He said he chose to use Jefferson’s Quran because it showed that “a visionary like Jefferson” believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources. Actually, IT WASN’T WISDOM THAT JEFFERSON GLEANED FROM THE QURAN, BUT A REALISTIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE UNITED STATES WAS UP AGAINST WITH THE BARBARY PIRATES.
Thomas Jefferson’s Quran https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/10711-thomas-jeffersons-quran?fbclid=IwAR1MD-Mswk-KmuRC1DmUkjF-xjKOu0mqQiuwHLN108KBcCBnymJkoq3L5oQ#
Kathleen Wallace says
On January 16, 1786, Thomas Jefferson wrote the following about the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom: We the General Assembly of Virginia do enact, that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.
While Jefferson did believe in religious freedom for all and would have stood with Muslims in observing the religious components of Islam, he would have demanded that they not infringe on the rights of non-Muslims to believe as they chose nor destroy their other rights under the laws of the land. One has to remember that he committed our small navy to fight the Barbary Pirates because they demanded tribute and enslaved Americans; thus, while he respected their religious rights, he found the political attributes of Islam to be indefensible.
As Wellington noted, John Q. Adams understood Islam the best. He thought Islam was a phony religion created to destroy rather than to provide good moral guidance. Earlier, Alexander Hamilton had called the government of Turkey despotic. The rulers of Turkey were Muslims.
As for Muslims being here at the beginning, most of them would have come over as slaves. However, one has to remember that many of the middlemen in Africa who sold these people into slavery were Muslim themselves. Arabs considered blacks to be slaves even when some converted to Islam. The word “abd” means both slave and black which tells one all they need to know about how Arabs saw the black man. Furthermore, the trade in black slaves had been going on for centuries prior to the beginning of the Transatlantic trade. All western countries had to do was tap into the already existing slave markets. Muslim middlemen were happy to send black slaves to the Americas.
gravenimage says
Muslims did not usually sell other Muslims, although there have been a few exceptions when the victims were minority-sect Muslims. But most of the slaves they sold were Infidels–in Africa, often animists.
gravenimage says
Muslim Rep. Rashida Tlaib to be sworn in on Jefferson’s Qur’an: “Muslims were there at the beginning”
……………………….
Tlaib hopes we know nothing about history.
Sadly, in all too many cases this is true.
Carolyne says
This whole discussion reminds me of a story, supposedly true, about Al Gore.
When he and Clinton made their way to their inauguration on a chartered bus, they stopped at Monticello.. In the central octagonal room, there are marble busts on a ledge around the ceiling of American presidents. All Gore pointed to George Washington and said, ” Now, who’s he?”
gravenimage says
There is actually a clip. Watch here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4482741/clinton-gore-monticello
Hari Singh says
Muslims were there in the beginning of the USA, they were called the Barbary Pirates. Who were actually Turkish jihadi soldiers called the Yeni Cherie- the new army. They raided Christiandom as far as Iceland and Ireland.
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Huh!?! says
This swearing in on the Jefferson Quran as somehow showing islamists were always here is joke. A very dark joke. This is revisionist history. Stealth Jihad and conquering the U. S. by its’ own hand is well represented here. This Jefferson Quran is still the Quran. As noted Jefferson bought the Quran to learn what the new country was up against. There is nothing in the Quran that holds any values for supporting and defending the U.S. Constitution or this country. This should not be recognized as a swearing in of a U.S. Representative. It will be interesting to see if any of our leaders or President Trump himself puts the brakes on this event.
In the mean time how do the rest of us mere voters, get her removed from office. Bills need to be put in place that do not allow islamists to hold office in our federal houses of government.
the religion of islam is a Trojan Horse designed to smooth the way for jihad.
Carolyne says
IMO it only shows that that demonic book was here, bought by Mr. Jefferson in order to learn about this outrageous “Religion.”. His library was sold to the National Archives when he needed money. Mr. Jefferson was an extremely curious and intellectual man who dabbled in many things and funded the Lewis and Clark expediction. He was a Christian and he sent our Marines ( The shores of Tripoli,) to destroy the Islamic pirates who were raiding ships off the coast of Africa, as they continue today do to this day.
Kasey says
How can any Western society legitimize the use of the Koran for a swearing in ceremony, when much of the books content tells all Muslims not to befriend Infidels and to kill them at every opportunity?
Rather than use it, it should be banned from use in our societies.
Frederick King says
What does she have t say about the Barbary Pirates, and their jihad ?
ronyvo says
Who has the authority to allow such disastrous act?
I think ALL those ignorant with the Koran should be by now are aware of it’s message, which is utter hate against ALL infidels (non-Muslims) and it’s followers are here in our home country to annihilate ALL of us. AND WE ARE ‘STUPID’, sorry but I can’t find a soft world for description,ENOGH TO ALLOW THEM TO DO ALL THAT EVILNESS TO US with our blessings. To swore on this satanic book is a promise by this Muslima to do her best to destroy us. What a horrible state of ‘mind’!!!!!!!!!!!
Indiana Tom says
Muslims were actually present in the early days of our Republic, and did have a fair influence on this nation.
Yes, the devout religion of peace was raiding, attacking, stealing, and enslaving our ships ans seamen on the high seas since the beginning of our Republic. See all the contributions Muslims made to our nation!
dan christensen says
On gadflies and migrants.
A gadfly is any of various large dipterous flies, esp the horsefly, that annoy livestock by sucking their blood.
A migrant is any of various Asian/African parasites, that annoy people by sucking their tax money.
Elizabeth Thorne says
Imam Mazim Abdul-Adhim, Canadian head of terrorist group, Hibtz ut-Tharir says: “If the ummah understands what is required of us as Muslims, what does a caliphate look like? What a system of Islam looks like and how to re-establish caliphate, according to the method of ( Mohammad) the ummah will rise up and know EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.”
Henry Mansfield says
Historical illiteracy does not surprise me anymore, sad to say.
I noted to a young person recently that Christopher Columbus was commissioned to find a Western route to Asia so as to avoid Muslim piracy and taxation along the ‘Silk Road’ trade routes, and they just blithely replied that was racist to say and Columbus was a monster who killed Indians.
Tony46 says
Yes, they were at the beginning??
That’s why the first mosque in America opened only in 1929?
Hmmm
dan christensen says
The Al-Sadiq Mosque in Chicago is believed to be the oldest mosque in the United States.
Year Established: 1921 or 1922
Location: Bronzeville, Chicago, Illinois
Branch/Tradition: Ahmadiyya (moderates)
They were there at the beginning of the prohibition era, when alcohol was forbidden. If islam gains political power, the muslim politicians will surely reinstate the Volstead act for a renewed prohibition era.
How does the average American voter look on that?
WPM says
Is that around the same time of the establishment of the Moslem Brotherhood in the 1920s?
Rich says
FACEBOOK suspended me for 30 days for posting a Robert Spencer article….
gravenimage says
Appalling but not surprising,Rich.
Elizabeth Thorne says
Robert Spencer is a hero, a man of great courage.
tgusa says
If islam had been there in the beginning there would never have been a USA. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is strictly prohibited under penalty of death in islam. It is a cult of submission, not liberty.
rick oneil says
So who is letting her use the koran? the Jefferson estate or museum or whatever doesn’t have to let her use his koran.
KWJ says
I find this disgusting and that Congress members would go along with this and her using our President’s Qur’an copy when he and James Madison were clearly disturbed by their Muslim enemies. James Madison had nothing good to say about Islam. They created our Navy because of those Barbary pirates pillaging, raping and taking slaves.
Do our politicians have even an ounce left of integrity? It is an insult to use a rare book of Jefferson’s while the Barbary pirates were taking our sailors as slaves. Who is allowing this? Obviously someone who hates America and accurate history.
Rather than despoil a brilliant man’s copy of the Qur’an, use a new one. It’s so disturbing that Islam is disturbing and our elected officials aka the employees of the People have no respect for Americans and cow to the warped and twisted idea that Islam has been a part of early America because someone had a book among his 6,000 or so other books including the Cyropedia about Cyrus the Great, a conqueror who did not try to change the cultures of those that came under Persian rule. He also freed the Jews from Babylon. So, I guess Cyrus the Great has always been a part of early American history too.
Someone remind this disloyal Congresswoman election that we were fighting Muslims who we had done nothing to. I expect that at least some Democrats would have some balls as to not desecrate history. Ugh. Such ugliness and warped thinking abounds these days. These folks are insane.
Helga Miller says
Are we still living in America?? How can decent people elect an overtly Muslim like that? We mock Christianity and it’s adherents every day now and we accept Muslims?? This is not the Country I immigrated to in 1966. With President Trump we had some hope for a good future for the grandchildren and great grandchildren and now we have to deal with this growing cancer of Islam..
Jim says
I wonder if CNN, MSNBC, et al, will correct Tlaib’s historical bs or “celebrate” the new diversity of Congress. This is a huge symbolic victory to Muslims, probably up there with 911, although not as deadly. The attempt to re-write history should be called out at every opportunity.
No Fear says
Himmler owned a Quran. Padfield’s biography of Himmler says “{The masseur} Kersten found him in agony {with stomach cramps} with the Koran lying by his bedside”