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Owen Jones: “Members of the LGBT community must stand behind under-fire Muslims”

Dec 14, 2018 8:00 am By Joshua Winston

Owen Jones is a British far-left political commentator and “journalist.” I use these terms very loosely, given his love of name-calling in lieu of substance to his ramblings. Jones has long been an advocate for the LGBT community to stand up and throw their support behind Islam. Owen likes to toss around words like ‘bigot’, ‘neo-nazi’, ‘gammon faces’ (which is a very racist term for white people), ‘far right’, and ‘politics of hate’, etc. These are all buzzwords that whip his Antifa-adoring, Palestine flag-flying followers into a paranoid delusional state where they see Nazis lurking behind every corner. He likens the experiences of the Muslim community to Jews fleeing Hitler. In a recent article, he writes that “Members of the LGBT community must stand behind under-fire Muslims.” The case he’s pleading for is that the ‘far-right’ are on the rise across Europe, and Muslims are now their target, and he’s saying that it’s a virtual blueprint of what happened to persecuted Jews. He’s ignoring the fact that when a community sheltered a Jew in the attic, for example, they were shielding that person from harm and risking own lives in the process. Across Europe, from Bataclan to Strasbourg, we’re seeing Muslims being sheltered by their community, but not because they’re victims, but because they are terrorists, and the community values them and wants to protect them. It’s the polar opposite of what happened to Jews. Jews weren’t exploding their way across Europe, gunning people down and ramming their trucks into crowds of innocent pedestrians. The parallel is a false one.

Owen is also typically ignoring the mass exodus of Jews from Europe because of the influx of Muslims and anti-Semites who are settling and developing here. He is aligned with the Labour party and Momentum, both of whom have a long history of anti-Semitic MPs, members and supporters, and this continues within the left in the UK to this day. I find it unfathomable that Owen will use the example of persecuted Jews simply because it fits in with his agenda of using victimhood as currency for any group or cause that he can use which ties in with his political agenda. Owen has been highly critical of Israel since his university days, and he considers Palestine to be occupied. For someone who is so concerned about Jewish persecution, you’d almost be forgiven for imagining that the same person wouldn’t object to this minority having a land or a safe space that they can call home, a place that was their ancestral home for thousands of years.

Owen’s naive point is that gays, as a minority group, have a duty and responsibility to support other minority groups (whilst avoiding Jews, who truly are a minority group). Ideological and cultural differences don’t enter Owen’s mind when he’s rallying for Palestine and Islam. If he’s aware of it, he’d most likely point out that Iran partially finances and carries out more sexual reassignment operations than anywhere else in the world, second only to Thailand. This, to Owen, would look progressive. He’d overlook, or be oblivious to, the fact that being gay in Iran is a sin punishable by death, and that your only alternative is to get a sex change (being trans, according to Islam, is a mental health disorder). He will embrace anyone except those who disagree with him. He has very famously avoided a debate with a gay, right-leaning political commentator, journalist, and author, Douglas Murray. He knows that Douglas would tear him apart during any debate where logic and a coherent thought process were demanded. And while claiming to be all-embracing of the LGBT community, Owen is quite happy to shun Douglas, because Douglas is not the right kind of gay that fits in with Owen’s left-wing agenda. But doesn’t Douglas also bleed red blood if you cut him, Owen?

People such as Owen really do need to stop likening every act of bias or prejudice against any minority group to the experience of Jews living under a Nazi regime. Of course, it’s not nice being the victim of prejudice, but it’s not helpful, and it’s insulting to the people who have lost forefathers to a genocide to constantly say that every experience, no matter how large or small, is the same as that of a Jewish person in a concentration camp. The children of Jews, first and second generation, whose parents or grandparents were held in concentration camps suffer trauma to this day. I sat in on a meeting with adult Jewish men and women whose relatives were killed or tortured, and I remember one man giving a speech and saying that it takes three generations to get rid of the trauma that is in the survivors’ systems. One woman bravely recounted how her sister took her own life here in the UK because of the horror stories that were running through her blood, told to her over and again by a traumatized mother since childhood. She had never been persecuted, but the nightmares and the survival guilt that she felt were too much for her to cope with. How could she live when her relatives had suffered so much, and in some instances died?

Muslims in the UK today, if they are experiencing any kind of stereotyping and prejudice, are nothing like Jews being held in concentration camps. Say something to a Muslim, and he or she will run to the police and have you arrested because they have been ‘offended’, and you’ll find yourself with a criminal record of being a racist. If he or she is in a gang, then you can expect violence in the name of Muhammad. Crime waves are up, and the UK police care more about people’s hurt feelings than they do about actual real-life crimes. Attending to people’s emotions isn’t the business of the police; it’s for your mother or husband or psychiatrist to take care of. Or perhaps the offended people could all learn to self-soothe – infants learn to self-soothe as they get taken off their pacifiers. If infants can do it, then so can adult Muslims and social justice warriors. The UK has anti-discrimination laws, and agencies in place to ensure that those laws are upheld and applied to everyone. The LGBT battle has been fought and won (with the exception that they now want religious weddings and are attempting to bully their way into the church), but as with Muslims, the LGBT are not happy with equal rights. They want special and preferential rights over everyone else. Both groups bully our language, speech, and attempt to rearrange the way we see the world. From bathroom laws to blasphemy laws, this bullying by Muslim groups and the political arm of the LGBT is nothing more than the minority trying to get the majority to bend to its will.

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  1. christianblood says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 8:11 am

    LGBTQ+Liberalism+Hollywood+Saudis=ISIS

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 9:02 pm

      christianblood has lauded Muslims before for murdering gay people–including having concentration camps for them in Chechnya.

  2. Greg Murphy says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 8:13 am

    And if the moslims get their hands on him they’ll throw him off the nearest roof!

    • Norger says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 8:57 am

      That’s what is so bizarre about his sympathy for Islam; Islam is against everything he professes to stand for. Guaranteed if you pointed this out to him it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference. Ditto the “feminist”-Islamist alliance.

    • Savvy Kafir says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 12:20 pm

      Exactly! If they had their way, his Muslim buddies would thrown him off the roof of a tall building, then stone him to death on the pavement below — and film the entire show and post it on YouTube, so that other pious Muslims can enjoy the dispensing of Allah’s justice vicariously.

      What a f*cking idiot! Owen Jones illustrates, in microcosm, the suicidal tendencies of politically correct mainstream Europe. Not one bit of actual knowledge regarding the ideology & agendas of their beloved Muslims. And absolutely no instinct for self-preservation.

      They should just go ahead and slit their own throats, and get the f*ck out of the way, so the rest of us can get busy turning back the Muslim invasion and sending the Allah junkies back to the desert where they belong.

      • Juanpablo Vegaromero says

        Dec 14, 2018 at 3:18 pm

        Amen!

    • revereridesagain says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 5:39 pm

      Right. Just don’t stand under any tall buildings where “cleansings” of “haram” people of your sexual persuasion are being performed, Owen. Not without a helmet, at least.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 9:04 pm

      So true, Greg.

  3. David Allen says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 8:47 am

    Excellent take down of an the idiot Jones.

  4. pragmatist says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 9:28 am

    Conflating the Muslims in Europe today with the Jews in pre-war Germany is not only supremely ignorant, it is also an egregious insult to those Jews. Jones is too stupid too realise that the situations are exact opposites. The Jews in Germany were specifically persecuted by the authorities, while the Muslims in Europe are specifically protected by the authorities. The Jews in Germany, who were fully embedded into the life and culture of the Country and whom in many cases had fought, been decorated and died for Germany in WW1, basically considered themselves good Germans – their Jewishness was secondary. They were productive, law abiding members of their society, who made an impact, out of all proportion to their numbers, in the fields of business and commerce, medicine, literature, science, education and the arts – especially the arts. They were prominent in entertainment, radio, film and music, providing a disproportionate number of instrumentalists, orchestral players and conductors and classical and opera singers. They did not, as far as I know, demand that all non-Jews should eat kosher food. They did not vilify or behead off duty servicemen, blow things up or attack people with weapons or vehicles. Nor, to the best of my knowledge did they indulge in the organised sexual exploitation of large numbers of Gentile girls. No doubt there was a criminal element among them, but probably it was no larger than, say, in the Lutheran or Catholic communities.

    I could go on, I suppose but that would just be labouring the point.That everything is actually the exact opposite of Jones’ stupid assertions is comment enough..

    • WPM says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 10:58 am

      +1
      Hitler greatly admired the Moslem warrior ,he had the Grand Muffi as a guest in Berlin for most of the war. Racist birds of a feather stick together Nazism the master race, Islam the master religion.

    • Terry Gain says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 11:43 am

      They were productive, law abiding members of their society, who made an impact, out of all proportion to their numbers, in the fields of business and commerce, medicine, literature, science, education and the arts – especially the arts.
      …………..
      And this is precisely why they were demonized and killed by Hitler, an admirer of Islam.

      • Larry says

        Dec 15, 2018 at 4:39 am

        Not just in those fields, the also served in the various Armies of the German Empire in disproportionately large numbers during WWI.

        A great many of those German Jews in the 40-55 age bracket killed by the nazis were not only decorated veterans, but had been volunteers as well.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 15, 2018 at 9:11 pm

        Good exchange above. Thanks.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 9:06 pm

      Good post, pragmatist.

    • carpediadem says

      Dec 17, 2018 at 1:48 am

      Excellent comment.

  5. Ben says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 10:14 am

    Well dont let them stand behind you because they will probably push you off a roof.

    • sameshit says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 10:35 am

      Or make you their bitch, they plug boys and call it good with Allah, so why do they go against queers? They love buggering all the Homies.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 15, 2018 at 9:16 pm

        Muslims love pedophilia and homosexual rape intended to humiliate. What they hate is any consensual same sex relationship.

  6. End PC says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 10:21 am

    Bleeding heart liberals should help Muslims do the one thing that will help them the most: talk them into dumping Islam, which not only officially has zero respect for you the unbeliever, but specifically teaches animosity toward you per their jihad encouraging Qur’an.

  7. TWG says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 10:34 am

    It just gets better every day! Even the islammunist hollywood jesters couldn’t stop molesting each other long enough to dream this BS up!

  8. jewdog says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 10:39 am

    Doesn’t the Brexit vote show that most Brits don’t want open borders? Theresa May may be a klutz, and her errors may sweep Corbyn into power, but the trend is more towards UKIP than Labour, or am I whistling past the graveyard?

  9. mortimer says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 11:25 am

    REALITY THERAPY FOR OWEN JONES: GAYS TORTURED IN CHECHNYA …

    • WPM says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 11:34 am

      The trouble is Owen Jones and his progressive friends will not face reality till it grabs them by the neck and throws them or someone they loves off a roof .

      • Sam says

        Dec 14, 2018 at 12:43 pm

        They still will not get it because while they are in the air off the roof they will be thinking that white men or Trump have done this to them.

        They are (most of them) brainwashed liberals and I hate to say this but I don’t feel compassion for them. They are enabling my enemy, ISLAM.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 9:54 pm

      Yes–this is horrifying.

  10. mortimer says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 11:31 am

    What Sharia law says about punishing homosexuals: flogging, stoning, thrown from high place, wall pushed over to crush, burning to death
    – Islam Question and Answer says: “The crime of homosexuality is one of the greatest of crimes, the worst of sins and the most abhorrent of deeds, and Allaah punished those who did it in a way that He did not punish other nations. It is indicative of violation of the fitrah, total misguidance, weak intellect and lack of religious commitment, and it is a sign of doom and deprivation of the mercy of Allaah.”
    – In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied.
    – In the Shafi`i school of thought, the homosexual receives the same punishment as adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafi`i compares the punishment applied in the case of homosexuality with that of adultery and fornication.
    – In the Hanafi school, the two acts are differentiated, because anal sex [something that is prohibited, regardless of orientation] may also be involved, while in adultery [and fornication], the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved.
    – Some scholars hold the opinion that homosexuals should be thrown from a high building or stoned to death as a punishment for their crime, but other scholars maintain that they should be imprisoned until death occurs through starvation.
    -Some of them (Islamic jurists) said that he should be punished in the same way as an adulterer, so he should be stoned if he is married and flogged if he is not married.
    -Another view is that between two males, the active partner is to be lashed a hundred times if he is unmarried, and killed if he is married; whereas the passive partner is to be killed regardless of his marital status.
    -Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas said: The highest point in the town should be found and the homosexual should be thrown head first from it, then stones should be thrown at him.
    Ibn ‘Abbaas derived this hadd punishment from the punishment that Allaah sent upon the homosexuals of the people of Loot.
    – It is narrated from Khaalid ibn al-Waleed that he found a man among one of the Arab tribes with whom men would have intercourse as with a woman. He wrote to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) and Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq consulted the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib had the strongest opinion of all of them, and he said: “No one did that but one of the nations, and you know what Allaah did to them. I think that he should be burned with fire.” So Abu Bakr wrote to Khaalid and he had him burned.

    • Rufolino says

      Dec 15, 2018 at 6:08 am

      In short: Islam destroys lives.

  11. Tom says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 11:33 am

    Jones is a moron who has been outed a number of times as an extreme leftist. His politics align with that of Jeremy Corbyn.

    The LGBT community are being used by the left because they are a high profile minority with a lot of public support.

    If the LGBT folks fall for this idiot’s pathetic doublespeak then they open themselves up to losing the support of the average person as well as becoming an easy target for extremism from both the right and the muslim fundamentalists who believe gays must be put to death.

    In supporting what Jones wants the LGBT community will put themselves in a lose, lose situation. Their best bet is to voice support for populist nationalism, which is growing by leaps and bounds across Europe.

  12. Don McKellar says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 11:59 am

    Gays defending moslems. It’s right up there with the highest levels of moslem hugging insanity. They are so complete in their willful ignorance and hate for those Christians and conservatives who oppose their lifestyle, that they are perfectly willing to figuratively jump from the frying pan and into the fire and embrace those who would kill them for it as mandated in their religion and laws!

    • Patrick says

      Dec 16, 2018 at 3:01 pm

      Please don’t forget that there are Same gender Attracted people that are also Christian and Conservative. I know that’s not what you were doing; I just felt it worth mentioning that not all Christians and Conservatives are hate mongerers, and yes, some are also not heterosexual.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 16, 2018 at 3:13 pm

        True, Patrick. There are also gay Anti-Jihadists, like Bruce Bawer. I had a good friend–sadly, since passed away–who was Anti-Jihadist and gay.

  13. Henry jones says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 12:00 pm

    So it’s not bigoted to kill gays? Which is what Islam calls for? When his assistant is thrown from a rooftop, on his way down I’m gonna ask him ” so, still want to stand with islam?”

    • Henry jones says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 12:14 pm

      His ass. Dan auto correct lol

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 10:10 pm

      The moronic Owen Jones has blamed Western efforts against terrorism for causing Jihad terror.

      He has also castigated those who dare blame anyone in the wake of Jihad terror attacks–meaning blaming Jihadists, of course.

  14. Terry Gain says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 12:06 pm

    If the LGBT folks fall for this idiot’s pathetic doublespeak then they open themselves up to losing the support of the average person as well as becoming an easy target for extremism from both the right and the muslim fundamentalists who believe gays must be put to death.
    ………….
    The LGBT folks have nothing to fear from the right. The right is directed by reason and even if some of us we don’t like the idea of homosexuality we accept that homosexuals are born, not made, or if made, made by God.

    Let me now be condemned for not embracing the idea of homosexuality.

    • Tom says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 3:29 pm

      Whether we like it or not there ARE extremists on the right. Although they are a very small minority, it would be folly to not acknowledge that they do exist.

      The vast majority of folks like us, on the right of the political spectrum, are reasonable. Unlike many of those on the left, who refuse to acknowledge that Antifa and other left wingers are radical.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 15, 2018 at 9:19 pm

        +1

  15. No Muzzies Here says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    Gays, I don’t think you should stand too close behind the people who throw gays off high buildings.

  16. Anjuli Pandavar says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    Hey Owen Jones, here’s a win-win-win for you. You can do yourself, your Muslim friends and LGBT people a massive favour. Help Muslims advance the cause of Allah by going up to the roof of a tall building and throwing yourself off. If you remember to say, “La-illaha-illallah, Muhammadu-rasoolullah” on your way down, you’ll be a Muslim by the time you hit the pavement. That way you’ll have slain and been slain in the way of Allah and you’ll go straight to Paradise. Exactly what you’ll do with 72 virgins, I don’t know, but I’m sure there are enough martyrs who’ll take them off your hands for you. Either way, we gay people win, too, since you’ll no longer be offending us by suggesting we support people who are out to murder us.

    • Indiana Tom says

      Dec 14, 2018 at 4:54 pm

      But you do get little boys.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 15, 2018 at 9:20 pm

        That’s what the texts of Islam say–those “pearly boys”.

  17. David Longfellow says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    It’s been a while since I’ve read about a more clueless and naive nutcase than this guy. Talk about not being self aware…

  18. Richard says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 3:11 pm

    “Owen Jones: “Members of the LGBT community must stand behind under-fire Muslims” ”

    In order to protect the LGBT communities’ right to be thrown from the parapets, or gunned down in nightclubs no doubt

  19. Indiana Tom says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    Owen Jones: “Members of the LGBT community must stand before Muslims so they can take to the air.
    Look up in the sky, it’s a bird, no, it’s a plane, no, it’s sharia gay!”

  20. nicholas tesdorf says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    Owen Jones will still be seriously confused when the Islamists and Jihadists come to power in the UK and are throwing him off the top of a tall building.

  21. Tramp says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    is that before or after they toss you off the top of a building for being gay.

  22. gravenimage says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 9:00 pm

    Owen Jones: “Members of the LGBT community must stand behind under-fire Muslims”
    ……………………….

    Suicidal insanity.

  23. tgusa says

    Dec 14, 2018 at 11:51 pm

    Bicycling through Tajikistan, Owen is.

    If a person really hated the alphabet people they would arrange for muslims and alphabets to hook up. And so the 64000 dollar question is, what is (or isn’t) going on in Owens mind?

  24. Brother Charles says

    Dec 15, 2018 at 6:15 am

    Grow a beard before you become a BACHA BOY ?

  25. W.Clay says

    Dec 15, 2018 at 12:03 pm

    Well I’m gay – and I don’t want any special rights or privileges, just to be left alone – but I find Owen Jones intolerable. He does NOT speak for me.
    My own peer group are so foolish – only I and my best friend stand against Islam and it’s horrific ways. I’m constantly on the verge of being ostracized by my friends because I am the only one who hasn’t swallowed the MSM lies.
    I’ve had many things happen to me and other friends, of all kinds, that have convinced me this “religion” is phenomenally dangerous and anyone with a hint of sanity should reject it. If I have to risk being unfriended then so be it. I’d rather have one friend, who’s not blind to the truth, than many friends who won’t let me get a word in edgeways because my views make them question their leftist brainwashing. If they knew I even came to Jihad Watch I’d get looks as if I’d killed someone.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 16, 2018 at 3:17 pm

      Thank you, W.Clay.

  26. martin says

    Dec 15, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    Non man ‘blowjobs for interviews’ owen is a nasty piece of work and has no clue what how many think of ‘it’.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 15, 2018 at 9:23 pm

      What?

  27. John says

    Dec 15, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    ““Members of the LGBT community must stand behind under-fire Muslims.” will not happen as the moslems kill from behind so all of the LGBT Community will be in the FRONT . 🙂

  28. Patrick says

    Dec 16, 2018 at 2:30 pm

    A large part of the Gay Community is off the rails. I can’t be a part of this lunacy…on top of the rampant barebacking; lies about the continuing AIDS threat not being a big deal; the gender-bending insanity and all the other fringe elements jumping on the bandwagon.

    I was done when gAy stopped being about Same Gender Attracted MEN.

  29. ex-UKIP voter says

    Dec 18, 2018 at 4:51 am

    April 2008

    ‘We’re not celebrating Israel’s anniversary’

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/30/israelandthepalestinians

    Stephen Fry is a comedian.

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