“The lives of 19 religious men and women martyred during the Algerian civil war are a testament to God’s plan of love and peaceful coexistence between Christians and Muslims, Pope Francis said.”
A more serious analyst would note that they were, after all, murdered, so they might not be that great a testimony to peaceful coexistence between Christians and Muslims. But this is the Pope who has said that “Muslim terrorism does not exist.” So he affirms that “by beatifying our 19 brothers and sisters, the church wishes to bear witness to her desire to continue to work for dialogue, harmony and friendship,” ignoring the fact that the murder of these people drowned their desire for “dialogue, harmony and friendship” in their own blood. There may be some room for dialogue, but only if it is informed and realistic, not based on wishful thinking and willful ignorance.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Algerian martyrs bear witness to Christian-Muslim peace, Pope Francis says,” by Catholic News Service, December 10, 2018:
VATICAN – The lives of 19 religious men and women martyred during the Algerian civil war are a testament to God’s plan of love and peaceful coexistence between Christians and Muslims, Pope Francis said….
Both Christians and Muslims in Algeria “have been victims of the same violence for having lived, with faithfulness and respect for each other, their duties as believers and citizens in this blessed land. It is for them, too, that we pray and express our grateful tribute,” the Pope said.
Among those who were beatified were Blessed Christian de Cherge and six of his fellow Trappists – Fathers Christophe Lebreton, Bruno Lemarchand and Celestin Ringeard as well as Brothers Luc Dochier, Michel Fleury and Paul Favre-Miville – who were murdered in 1996 by members of the Armed Islamic Group in Tibhirine, Algeria….
Several months after their deaths, Blessed Pierre Claverie, bishop of Oran, was assassinated along with his driver by an explosive device. According to the website of the Dominican Order of Preachers, his death was mourned also by Muslims who considered him “their bishop.”
Pope Francis said that all Algerians are heirs of the great message of love that began with St. Augustine of Hippo and continued with the martyred religious men and women “at a time when all people are seeking to advance their aspiration to live together in peace.”
“By beatifying our 19 brothers and sisters, the church wishes to bear witness to her desire to continue to work for dialogue, harmony and friendship,” the Pope said. “We believe that this event, which is unprecedented in your country, will draw a great sign of brotherhood in the Algerian sky for the whole world.”
Buraq says
Why doesn’t The Pope beatify Mohamed, the prophet of Islam? According to his logic, that would help to bring Islam and Christianity closer together ……… :))
Clown!
Anjuli Pandavar says
I was just about to say that. +1
dunroamin says
Actually the Pope wants a merger of Islam with the Catholic church. He let that slip 2 or 3 years ago. The (dubious) theological grounds are that Alllah and the Christian God are one and the same.
Thomas Fisher says
Island allah is not the GOD in heaven. But the arabian moon god baal which is actually a statue. So it being such makes idol worshipers.
Lydia Church says
Yeah, uh, NOT THE SAME GOD!!!
Peggy says
He’s welcome to convert any time he wishes but he should leave other Catholics alone.
He has no right to lead them into this hell.
Nina says
Islam and the Christian God are not one and the same! There is only one God and one God only that is the God of the Bible. John 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND GOD WAS THE WORD.
Christine says
I read that, too. Proves he’s evil, and clearly doesn’t abide by scripture.
Pau; says
Allah is the Arabic word for our English word, God. But Muslims are mislead and don’t follow the true God (or Allah for that matter); they are mislead by Satan and are following him, not Allah
Kelly Hill says
Allah isn’t God, Allah came from paganism, Allah the moon god.
Lydia Church says
Isn’t it amazing how peaceful things can get after you have killed everyone else around you?
Wow. Such peace!!!
I only hear crickets….
Oh, and those are only in pope francis’ head where there should be a brain…
Elsebeth says
The poor guy has lost his mind. There can be no peaceful coexistence between Muslims and any other faith according to their ‘holy koran’
Leon Degney says
Poor ol’ Pappa Frank is senile, teetering on the brink of total insanity he should be put down for his own and the good of the rest of his sheeple.
Gene says
No, by the Pope’s logic if the Pope would just allow himself (and probably a substantial portion of the cardinals and bishops in the world) to be beheaded by some Muslim douche bag with a pocket knife, Christians and Muslims would live in peace and harmony, happily ever after.
However, I suppose it might wake some people up.
Andries says
So much for papal infallibility
Vlad says
Every person has one, this pope Dhimmy the First, is ONE.
I’ll let you figure out what ONE means 🙂
WILLIAM J BABYAK says
“Opinions are like sphincters… Everyone’s got one, and they all posess an equal stench!!”
mortimer says
GET SOME REALITY HERE, FRANK !
Statistical Analysis of words Fear, Love and Hate in the Koran:
There are over 400 references in the Koran to hate, over 300 references in the Koran to Allah and FEAR, but there are only 49 references to love. Of these love references, 39 are negative such as the 14 negative references to love of money, power, other gods and status.
Three verses command humanity to love Allah and only 2 verses are about how Allah loves a believer. There are 25 verses about how Allah does NOT love kafirs (disbelievers).
This leaves 5 verses about love. Of these 5 verses, 3 are about loving kin or a Muslim brother. One verse commands a Muslim to give money for the love of Allah. This leaves only one quasi-universal verse about love: give what you love to zakat-charity and even this is contaminated by dualism since Muslim zakat-charity only goes to other Muslims. There are OVER 400 teachings of HATE directed against all disbelievers: Jews, Christians, Idolaters and Kafirs.
So much for love. HATE and FEAR are what Allah demands in the Koran.
Wellington says
Highly informative post, mortimer. Thanks.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Mortimer, thank you.
dunroamin says
Western laws against hate speech forbid us to hate. By contrast, Islam commands Muslims to hate.
Richard says
Brilliant post, Mortimer! Why I love his web site.
Raja says
Mortimer,
Thanks for the great analysis and post..
IanB says
Excellent post mortimer. Thank you.
tim gallagher says
I agree with the comments here. Terrific information about Islam’s nature, Mortimer. It says it all about Islam’s evil nature. Islam is such an evil, completely hate filled ideology. Christianity is pretty much the opposite of Islam.
gravenimage says
Agreed–good post, Mortimer.
DANNY says
I did not know this; specifically I mean. The Popes goal to “MERGE” Islam with Chrisianity is insanity incarnatnate. That he voiced this intent,thus a desire to destroy Christianity, and went UNOPPOSEDin that, speaks volumes about the Cardinals and Bishops love of God and the Bible.well, maybe I shouldn’t surprised as , in WW2, the CHURCH was instrumental in the deportation of Italian Jews to the Death Camps
gravenimage says
Actually, the Catholic Church *saved* a large number of Jews from the Holocaust.
jennifer says
Unfortunately, this Pope doesn’t live in the real world. But the sane people see through him and the islam stuff.
David says
The real world sees this pope as a hostile takeover of Catholicism.
Peggy says
The tragedy is that there are many Catholics who live in poor countries with no access to internet. They wouldn’t have a clue what the Pope is all about.
They are in real danger of being led astray by this monster.
revereridesagain says
I hate to go quoting the last lines of “Bridge on the River Kwai”, but — “MADNESS. MADNESS.”
Of course they are not a testimony to peaceful coexistence, real or longed for. They are victims.
Most people here on JW are sensible and will be repelled by Francis’ blathering. But why does he think he can make such a dreadful statement and people will nod and murmur approval? I know I irritate people by being an atheist. But aside from the impossibility of gods I’m horrified by this celebrating of the sacrifice of human lives to mysticism, supernaturalism, and wishful thinking by the head of one of the world’s major religions — as key to his imaginary “harmony” sing-along. Francis, even if your god existed I would want no part of a creature with such a “plan”.
Ah well. Let the bible verse quoting commence…
Lilith Wept says
The only quote I will paraphrase is the verse that told the disciples that if they went to spread the world of God and people didn’t want to hear it, that they should shake the dust of that place from their sandals and move on.
I have no problems at all with you being an atheist . I have no problem with any religion that when it attempts to proselytize to me , and I politely refuse, that they equally as politely go on their way.
The Pope needs to actually read the Koran ( and a few Hadiths). Not to mention looking at history.
Islam has never lived peacefully and equally with any other religion. And it never will.
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Islam commands moslems to spread Islam throughout the world, until,every country is an Islamic country , and every person a Moslem. And they won’t stop until they a hiev that goal.
To quote Omar Ahmad, the founder of CAIR , “ Islam is not in America to be equal to any other faith it to become dominate. The Koran should be the highest authority in America and Islam the only accepted religion.”
He asked an audience of moslems ….why isn’t there an intifada or uprising of moslems against non moslems ( an uprising or revolution by moslems against western governments and Kafir , in other words) as there is in the Holy Land…
He also said to moslems “ if you live in America you have the responsibility to deliver the message of Islam”
And we all know what the message of Islam is… “Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the j believers where ever you find them, and take them and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush .
But if they repent and establish worship and lay the poor due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is forgiving , merciful”. Koran chapter 9 session 5. Also known as the Sword verse. And that is the message of Islam, Islam or the sword!
(This verse is considered to abrogate any earlier Meccan verses advocating tolerance towards people of other faiths.These are the verses that moslems often quote to convinve kafir what a warm and fuzzy peaceful and tolerant religion is!
In other words, Convert or die! ( and Moslem don’t consider this to be “ compulsion in religion” after all, you choose to conerr. You could have choosen to die after all! )
Or if you are a Christian or a Jew and ther is a caliphate who can impliment it, you can sign a dhimmi contract. and live as a dhimmi ( protected peoples) under Moslem rule.
There are 123 verses in the Koran about fighting and killing for the cause of Allah ( to spread Islam and subjigate any people to Moslem rule).
Peggy says
The Pope needs to actually read the Koran ( and a few Hadiths). Not to mention looking at history.
Islam has never lived peacefully and equally with any other religion. And it never will.
===========================
Do you seriously believe that the Pope is that ignorant?
If you and I can see what is going on why can’t he? He’s not in a bubble. He does live in the real world. He’s not one of those poor Catholics who don’t have access to the internet.
He has heaps of people around him who get reports of what goes on.
So after all that, why do you think he’s needs to read this or that? He knows, he just doesn’t want to reject it.
ontheridge says
In the Bible it says, “there are none so blind as those who will not see, and none so deaf as those who will not hear”, or there about. I see this as the pope closing his eyes to the truth about an evil and his ears to the truthful news about it.
He feels he is higher than God and will face the firey truth in less than 40 years. I feel sorry for him , but the popes have always thought of themselves as greater than God. Read the history about the Catholic church. Evil in its bones. Satan runs it, right from the beginning. Look into history when the “church” killed anyone who read or owned a Bible. The people could only go by what the priest said and he dictated it in Latin!
The Catholic church has been a hideous evil most of history. One pope turned the Vatican into a den for prostitutes, another was a thief, a rapist, and murdered so many people that the streets ran with blood. Another had his concubine put her evil sons into the Vatican chair and her other sons got really high paying jobs as clergy. One pope raped his parishioner women, so that he had, like 12 or more illegitimate children by them. Just evil! And no apologies. The governments have apologized for their predecessors doing wrong, but nary a word from the pope.
And now the “pope” says the Muslims are just really great loving people!! HAAAA!!!
gravenimage says
Someone else using this forum as a base not to oppose Jihad, but just to slander the Catholic church.
Mark Swan says
I think otheridge said—what otheridge thinks about this church,
who this Pope works for, it may be what otheridge thinks is appropriate
to otheridge—-the comment ended with—“And now the “pope” says the
Muslims are just really great loving people!! HAAAA!!!”
If atheist can say there is no God and others here say there is, then otheridge
on this particular thread about the Pope, can say what otheridge wants about
the church he works for.
There are many millions of Catholic followers, most are good decent people
nothing otheridge says can change that fact.
Lilith Wept says
Yes, I believe that this pope has never sat down and read for himself , the Koran. Or any of the Hadiths. I believe he might possible have read small bits of the Koran , most likely the ones that support the warm fuzzy version of Islam that moslems are trying to convince us is real) I believe has been advised on this or that, and that advise has been the cleaned up, taqyyia, sugar coated version of Islam. Because that’s easiest to believe.
After all there are many moslems who haven’t read their own Koran and just depend on what their immans tell them is in the Koran and what’s Islamic and what’s not Islamic, at the mosque (immans are their “advisors” )
And there are moslems who have left Islam when they read the Koran and realized what it said. ( there are also those moslems that set about obeying the commands of the Koran and we all know what those moslems have done and are doing!)
Because the Koran ( and hadith) is very , very plain about what it commands moslems do to kufir and how moslems should treat them..
you can’t read the Koran and mistake that.
Of course, there is the chance he simply rejects what the Koran says .
But there’s also a chance that the Pope can’t comprehend Islam. Islam is so different from any other religion, that some people have a very hard time getting their head around the fact that Islam isnt like other religions….that Islam is a complete system , not just about faith, and heaven…..and that what pleases the Islamic god is to hate and kill non moslems and to do everything they can to make the world Islamic . What they do is all wirh this in mind….to make the world islamic.
Of course, I could be completely wrong and he could be one of those people mentioned in the Bible that deliberately side with the enemy of Christianity, and try to destroy it. So he does know exactly what Islam does, what it’s intentions are and he’s just fine with that,……
Mary Mueller says
No, the problem is that this pope doesn’t read or know the Bible, or the God of the Bible. He can read the koran all day and still remain in the dark. Muslims do. That he remains in his position of “leadership” in the Catholic church is understandable, in an organization that shuffles homosexual priests around to keep child molestation off the radar, is anything surprising coming from this mouthpiece?
Patrick says
Peggy – Then that means he’s complicit. He is in league with the Great Deceiver.
Geoffrey Britain says
“aside from the impossibility of gods”
impossibility?
So your position is that all of existence is the result of random chance?
revereridesagain says
GB, “random chance” is the way people terrified that Daddy won’t always be There to tell them what to do, and that they won’t get their eternal party in the sky after they’re dead, describe the natural processes that produced and govern the universe. A god waving his hands about and shouting commands and incantations is somehow supposed to be more meaningful and “sacred”. If the age, scope, beauty, and complexity of the universe are not awesome enough on its own, to satisfy your need for meaning, there is certainly nothing I can say that you will listen to.
Carolyne says
Reverend etc. I agree with you that the wonder of the universe is awesome enough without an old man with a beard directing it.
Patrick says
What I see the most is that atheists confuse ‘Religion’ with ‘Spirituality’. They see the corruption of the televangelists and materialism centered mega-churches and think all believers are as corrupt.
The ‘spiritual’ (supernatural, metaphysical, the ‘unexplained’, if you will…) are entirely compatible with science. It has been proven that anything in existence follows a pattern, a mathematical formula – called the Fibonacci Code.
For things in existence to follow this formula to exist is not random. It takes exacting conditions, for example, for life to exist. It’s not too far of a stretch for a scientific mind to understand that something of vast and immense intelligence designed all that exists. The spiritual aspect only come into it as far as believing that this intelligent creator cares about that which he has created, while still giving humans the choice of free will (to address those that will then ask “Well why does he allow such suffering in the world”) Humans aren’t beings for God to play like marionettes…we are responsible for our own failures and the suffering that is inflicted on one another. This is precisely where Muslims are – they are following the wrong Spiritual Leader.
b.a. freeman says
revere, i won’t quote bible verses at U. i’m a born-again christian who used to be an atheist, and i was mean about it at first. when church folks, or mormons, or jehovah’s witnesses, or whoever used to come around, i would invite them in and discuss religion with them. it was great fun tripping them up! i never got in anybody’s face about religion otherwise, but i figured that if people wanted to come into my home to discuss fairy tales, then all bets were off, and i wasn’t going to cut anybody any slack. if they didn’t like it, they didn’t have to come around. at one point, i had a group of 3 jehovah’s witnesses coming around once a week. since i had been raised as a bible-thumper attending church several times per week every week, i almost always knew the bible better than whoever was visiting me did, even if they were working out of a different book (like the book of mormon). it was some of the best fun i ever had, and was quite entertaining.
nevertheless, i matured over the years, and eventually decided to discuss things politely and honestly. i still didn’t get stopped by anybody, but i now know that it was because God was still letting me learn things the hard way, as i insisted. when He eventually did reach me, it came from a completely unexpected direction. i won’t go into boring details, but He always uses the best method to reach whomever He wants to reach. suffice it to say that everything about Him is *infinite*, and infinities do things that appear very strange to finite beings like us. i found out that christianity was not at all like i thought it was.
should civilization survive this attack (and i pray that it does, with U and i as allies and fellow non-muslims), it might be nice some day to sit down together, have a drink, and talk religion and politics, the 2 most fun topics in the world. here’s to islam being permanently in the crapper of history!
Uriah Sheep says
Like many Western leaders and their governments who hate their country’s sovereignty and nationalism, Jorge hates the religion he was chosen to represent.
It seems quite clear that he is tasked with weakening the main Christian religion and that his Globalist masters have a preference for Islam.
One World religion
One World law
One World Government
Islam has the exact same model which is why they are being used.
Umma
Sharia
Islam
revereridesagain says
Exactly, Uriah. This isn’t just about religion. It’s about power and control on the part of the elites. And very perceptive that Islam’s model copies that of the globalists. It’s also why the hard-left Democrats in this country are so fond of Big Mo’s Folly.
Vlad says
Yes Uriah Sheep, you hit the nail on the head.
All the sheeples are being led by the “good shepards” into the abyss of total worldwide dictatorship.
S h i t s l a m truly fulfills total acceptance of this dictatorship by the vast majority and those that don’t,
well, they lose their heads. The writing is on the wall mene, mene, tekel, parsin
Jaladhi says
Delusional moron!!
Rufolino says
Yes. Monstrous tomfoolery from one of the most responsible people in the world.
You could not make it up. Is this man off his head ?
Nautikos says
The worst part? This moron was elected by a bunch of like-minded Cardinals BECAUSE of his views! It demonstrates that the Church is rotting from the top down…
Jose A. Rivera-Nevarez says
Regretably, Francis has to understand that unless a Worlwide Council of Ulemas meet and abrogate alll the hateful verses toward nonmuslims from the Kur’am, new generations will continue to be poisoned by this medieval death cult. Christians will continue loving and praying for our muslims brothers and sisters to set themselves free from this ideology, but, definitely, “we Christians will not go quietly into the night”, as the message of Christ is to valuable and can not die with us.
somehistory says
He thinks demonic thoughts, not God’s Thoughts.
He speaks for satan the devil, not our Father in Heaven. He will be “vomited” out as the false shepherd he is. (Christians will know of what is here written.)
JOHN says
Said it before and I’ll say it again, “He Ain’t My Pope”.
TWG says
This pope is the epitome of evil.
melek-ric says
Francis is crapping in his cassock at the thought of a billion Muslims marching in jihad against Rome if he were to say the slightest unfavorable thing about Islam. Neither he nor any other Western leader now dares to poke the planet’s largest, nastiest hornet’s nest.
Terry Gain says
According to the mentally ill Pope Francis, Islamic terrorism is peace! We just need more Catholics killed in order to have a more perfect peace, What’s next from this idiot? Rape is love?
It is not in the interest of the Catholic Church, or the world, to have a Pope who is certifiable.
Richard says
Amen, Terry! Since Vatican II, they’ve done everything they can to destroy the Church and everything it stands for. As a monsignor recently told me of his congregation: “We have a lot of people, but no Catholics.”
Tricia Stuercke says
A Note to My Intelligent Friends at Jihad Watch who know TRUTH without it BITING their own “Arse”,
I’m 1 of the “New Breed” of “Old” Traditional, Christ-centered, Bible-Believing Evangelical Catholic Christians (yes, a real thing…fighting to retrieve the Faith as handed by Christ to Peter). Please know that the Vast Majority of today’s actual Mass-Attending Catholics are part of this “New Evangelization” to recover & maintain Christ’s Church from the “Liberal Progressive” Destructionists who slid Francis into office by a last minute “slight of hand”, that embedded & entrenched the dying-but-fighting Homosexual Mafia throughout the poisoned Vatican that forced our beloved theologian Pope Benedict from Peter’s Chair. The True Faithful Servants of Jesus have brought 2 Historic Formal Charges against the shameful & sinful Francis: Google Francis, “The Dubbia” & Francis, “Filial Correction”..charges, including the actual Speaking & Teaching of Biblically-proven Heresy (Heresies!), not brought upon a Pope in over 500 years!
I’ll keep you posted on developments; just know that The Church was prophecied to enter an End Times trial leading to a full-fledged Schism, but as Christ Himself proclaimed when Peter declared “You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God” (Mt 16:15), revealing himself as The Father’s Choice to take The Keys of The Kingdom, Jesus stated, “You are Peter (meaning Rock; Jesus now reveals why He changed his name thusly), & On This Rock I will build My Church, & the gates of Hades Shall Not Prevail against it!” (Mt 16:18). The Holy Trinity has ASSURED US that THE CHURCH SHALL PREVAIL, though prophecy suggests a time WILL come where events will take Christianity back to House Church status. We are to “Pray without Seizing” & hold tight to the most repeated instructions in Holy Scripture: “Be Not Afraid”.
Jan Favre says
As a Catholic bible faithful remnant, you should think about founding an autocephale Latine church and associate with the Orthodox church. Vatican cannot anymore be trusted.
Fr John McMonagle says
Western Rite Orthodoxy.
FYI says
More papal virtue-signalling by fraudulent francis,the “listening pope of the listening church”… that doesn’t listen…
The Bergolio circus continues:there is nothing like making new saints to distract the disorientated faithful and the blind sheeple, while the old marxist heretic quietly undermines catholicism.
This is a clown who thinks allah is the same as the Christian God.
Let’s see:you don’t need to be Jesuit with a Doctorate in Divinity…
allah CURSES Christians for believing in Jesus Christ.koran 9:30
allah DENIES Jesus was even crucified{he thinks it was someone else}k4:157
{In the Gospel which allah claims he wrote…Jesus is crucified.so the {allah that wrote the koran} DENIES {the allah that says he wrote the Gospel}
allah teaches contrary to God’s Exodus 20 laws:and there is no ‘love thy neighbor’
in islam k5:51.allah completely missed the 2 chief commandments didn’t he?
allah claims he wrote the Gospel and gave it to Jesus
“WE bestowed on Jesus the Gospel”{koran 5 v 46-37}
{Spot the problem?When did Jesus ever have the Gospel:it was written AFTER the time of Jesus and by HUMANS……}
allah thinks Christians are polytheists because he completely misunderstands the Theology of the Trinity{which was revealed in the Gospel…that allah says he wrote}If allah claims he wrote the Gospel then WHY bring it up in the first place only for allah to DENY it in koran 4:171?One side-effect of allah’s ludicrous misinterpretation of the Trinity is that it means he does not know either the Source of Biblical prophecy{2Peter 1 v 20-21} or what God’s Wisdom is.
“Say not ‘three’ cease! It’s better for you” koran 4:171.So it’s better that muslims don’t know what God’s Spirit of Wisdom is or where Biblical prophecy comes from?Ridiculous!allah tries hard to convince you he is the same as the Biblical God but koran 4:171 shows a human mind at work;I mean allah doesn’t even understand Theology!Obviously,allah is NOT the Biblical God.
allah thinks Jesus[a Jew} is … a muslim.And that the INFANT JESUS IN A CRIB could speak like an adult and know “scripture”koran 19:29-30
It’s pretty easy to see that the Jesuit marxist heretic is wrong in equating allah{“the BEST of deceivers” k3:54}with the Biblical God.
Yet,the Vatican road-show will continue…..
Tricia Stuercke says
FYI, wonderfully stated. You know & state the facts well…thank you for this post. Please take a look at my findings (I have a Post, plus a Response to a despairing member of The Faithful. If you’re as aware as I take you to be, my findings should prove out to you, as well. I don’t know how much more time I’m to be given, with my body exponentially-sicker by the month now (explained briefly in my Post & Response), thus I’m grateful to see someone who seems to be paying attention to the correct flashing signs, per say. It was a pleasure reading & meeting you!
FYI says
What you say about francis is absolutely correct.He is in fact one of the worst popes {and one of the greatest heretics} in living memory.
You no doubt have plenty of “oil for your lamp”{and will get the reference..Matthew 25..}
No doubt you understand that suffering has merit..
2 Thessalonians 1 v 5-7
Romans 12 v 1-2
Whatever people do in these times,especially if disgusted or fed-up with
institutional churches,I suggest they go, read and follow the prophetic teachings of the Gospel.Most of the mainstream “christian” churches,catholic and protestant, have become all lefty liberal and politically correct.The worst thing any disillusioned authentic Christian can do is convert to islam..
There are ex-muslims and ex-converts to islam who say the same thing:DO NOT convert to islam!
Piccolino says
The Pope should first beatify and then canoniza Mohamed, the prophet of Islam. That will give Mohamed the key to 72 Catholic male pedophile priest virgins for all eternity.
vlad says
🙂
Geoffrey Britain says
Gullible? Deluded? Ideological blinders?
Among other prior ones, this comment by Francis… along with his enabling of sexual abuse are forcing me to consider that the man may indeed be evil.
“Woe onto him who calls evil good and good, evil…” the prophet Isiah
Tricia Stuercke says
Geoffrey, deep research into Jorge Bergolio, Former Archbishop of Buenos Aires before the hardcore Vatican “Liberal Progressive Homosexual Mafia” slithered him deceptively at the last second into Peter’s Papal Seat, I tell all concerned Traditional Christ & Bible Solid Catholic Christians to hold strong & TRUST (not “Francis”), JESUS: Even Jesus chose Judas: I mean that as thoroughly & profoundly as it sounds. Jesus CHOSE Judas…he had a historical purpose to serve; a vile, but crucial 1. EVERYTHING happening Globally, Politically, Socioeconomically, Spiritually… it’s ALL “shaking out” according to Biblical Prophecy. As warned, it’s NOT going to be “ok”; I won’t lie to ease people’s fears. Francis, I believe, is where he is as designed…we are in the foretold End Times & it’s about to get very traumatic.
Given a “special perch” via a dance career-ending diagnosis post childbirth 23yrs ago, a rare Autoimmune Disease-Set eating me alive, being bedridden 40-now 53, a “Heavenly Assignment” compelled me to spend these years in deep Scripture & Prophecy study. It’s all unfolding just as catastrophically-yet-necessarily as Christ”s own Life, Ministry, Death, Resurrection, & Ascension (recall how thoroughly the New Testament is forecast in the Old).
Please see my earlier post; I’m happy to answer any questions I’m able, though I’m simply a dying Lay Catholic Christian who’s been gifted the TIME most don’t have to pay attention to God’s Heavenly Bombardment when the Hound of Heaven is trying to Make His People take notice.
The Evil 1’s militants & Islam’s Jihadi’s appear to be 1 in the same, Prophetically-speaking…of particular concern given the following:
* Judicial Watch confirmed 2 ISIS Training Camps operating just outside of Juarez.
* Guatemalan Authorities snagged 100 ISIS MILITANTS within the small group of Border Busters caught from among the recent 1st Caravan.
* AND 3 Correlaries:
1) 2-3 yrs of reported “Fit, Military-age Males, traveling “Alone”, 3-4 per flight, flying 1-Way into Mexico from the Middle East…”disappearing into Mexico”.
2) At the same time, ISIS TACTICS suddenly new horror tool of MX Drug CARTELS, rolling decapitated heads into Resort Lobbies & a Juarez Bowling Alley.
3) At the same time, “warnings” found &/or sent to U.S. Police Stations: photos of easy-ID public places of concern (well-known Public Sites like Central Park, Public Schools, Govt Office Bldgs, etc), featuring black-masked & clad “ISIS Fighters”, some w/weaponry, others w/1 finger Supremacy Sign, + an actual sign reading “ISIS IS COMING”, 1 here in Utah spray-painted directly onto Public School exterior wall.
Rufolino says
Yes. Monstrous tomfoolery from one of the most responsible people in the world.
You could not make it up. Is this man off his head ?
Carol the 1st says
Here’s a Christmas card for Frankie:
Jingle Jihad Bells
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DZsDwR59Rzc
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Absolutely nuts.
WILLIAM J BABYAK says
Amen!
Dan says
Fortunately, the priest in my parish comes from Pakistan, and unfortunately understands all about who’s to blame.
A speaker this past week said 50 years ago the Christian population was almost 30% in much of the Middle East, and now it’s down to less than 1%.
I told her afterward plenty of us non politically correct Catholics know full well it’s 100% Muslim persecution and she seemed relieved she didn’t have to tip toe around so as not to offend.
tim gallagher says
Dan, you’re lucky to have someone who knows the truth about Islam’s nature as the priest in your church. They are very alarming statistics about the Christian populations in the Middle East being so reduced in the past 50 years.
Tricia Stuercke says
Dan, what a BLESSING to be at such a Parish at this time! I’m similarly-blessed, surprisingly, here in South Salt Lake City, UT. The Parish/School that my youngest went to when we moved here from Denver has Daily Adoration…in prayer there 1 evening last Fall, all alone, huge German Shepherds suddenly came running in, sniffing me, Jesus, etc…startled to say the least, their “boss” came running after them, apologizing for my near-heart attack! The visiting Priest, he explained, coming for that 1 night, must have 24/7 extremely-high security due to the Muslim threat to his life…I was an unexpected late Adorer surprised by Security Sweep Team #1! The Highly-targeted Maronite was Lebanese Cardinal Bechara Rai, a well-known Christ-like “Thorn” in Middle Eastern Muslims’ sides, & apparently a frequent honorary top-spot Target of Islamic Cowards all over. He’s an AMAZING MAN! What a RELIEF our True Shepherds are becoming easily-identifiable for those of us who see Truth as TRUTH! May God’s Grace surround you & yours!
Peggy says
While Christian numbers go down in Islamic countries, Muslim numbers go up in Christian countries.
‘Doesn’t take a genious to work out that eventually the whole world will become Muslim unless stopped.
tim gallagher says
You’re right, Peggy. The totally intolerant Muslim scumbags drive Christians and other non-Muslims out of their countries and yet we, far too tolerant, Christians let Muslims invade our countries with their poisonous ideology. As you say, we have to wake up and stop the Muslim immigration ( invasion is what it is) into our countries or we’ve had it.
Carol the 1st says
The video “Can Islam be Apolitical” contains an interesting discussion by three ex-muslims as to how the Middle East, as a whole, had increasingly been heading toward secularization before the disrupting events of 1979. In 1979 the Iranian Revolution occurred and at the same time there was the invasion of the Holy Mosque in Mecca. This led to Saudi Arabia feeling very threatened and turning increasingly to Wahaabism. They exported it to Pakistan as a buffer against Iran (this may help explain why Pakistan is so extreme). From that point on Sunni and Shia radicalism spread ever further.
In living memory the Middle East seemed to be in far better and more modern shape prior to 1979. It is something interesting to consider. (54:04 to 57.25)
Carol the 1st says
Can Islam Be Apolitical? – Armin Navabi, Ghada Ibrahim & Sarah Haider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGX0VqsiAMo
R Russell says
Does the man have Alzheimer’s?
R Ruessell says
Oh dear! It never worked.
I was being ironic along the lines of the terrorists being mentally ill.
Of course he knows what he is doing. He, like the rest of us will stand before the triune God to give an account of his life. Like the rest of us he needs forgiveness
Wellington says
The Roman Catholic Church is in big trouble, not just because of this wretched man at the top of the structure but also because so many Catholics think like this guy, including many bishops and cardinals he has appointed. Then there are all the sexual scandals swept under the rug and Catholic organizations like Catholic Charities here in America pushing for more and more Buttlims to come here, Buttlims being people who don’t want to assimilate but rather expect, even force, the host culture to change to their twisted norms.
Yes, I know there are many conservative, traditional Catholics still out there across the world, and I’m with them as much as an agnostic like myself can be on the side of religious people, but I gotta’ tell them, as of present (and really since Vatican II despite rear-guard actions fought by the two previous Popes), you’re losing your church. Yearly, the Roman Catholic Church is becoming more and more an enemy of the best that Western Civilization has produced and this is immensely sad, tragic, shattering and harmful.
Richard says
Absolutely right, Wellington!! Sadly, you understand the situation perfectly. The Barque of Peter is capsizing. Fewer and fewer Catholics are attending Mass every day, and when they do, it is mostly as a social club. Almost no Catholic knows what the Church stands for. Condemnations of sins are edited out of scripture readings and everyone is guaranteed paradise forever, no matter what we do. The American Bishops recently wanted to investigate child molestation in the Church and the Pope stopped them! This is my religion!! Almost no “Catholic” knows it and fewer care. Thank God, there are still some fine priests out there. Many have to hide their beliefs to get through the seminaries. I pray that someday you become Catholic. We desperately need fine people like you.
Peggy says
Evil people have hijacked the church. Catholics have to fight to restore it.
Michael Copeland says
“dialogue, harmony and friendship”…….
What does the Koran, part of Islamic law, say?
dialogue: “If anyone desire a religion other than Islam NEVER will it be accepted of him”
………………Koran 48:29, part of Islamic law.
harmony: muslims are “the best of peoples raised up for mankind” K 3:110 ”
………………Christians and Jews are “the worst of creatures” K 98:6
friendship: “Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another.”
……………….K 5:51
tim gallagher says
Spot on, Michael. I think that the tolerance is all one way when it comes to non-Muslims trying to be pleasant and tolerant towards Islam. It’s all probably seen as a sign of weakness by the vicious Muslims. The Koranic quotes show what Islam’s attitude is towards being tolerant towards non-Muslims. It is surely a futile exercise for non-Muslims to try to be tolerant towards Muslims as their minds have been poisoned by the hatred for non-Muslims which their religion inculcates.
djaz says
Pope Francis is a dangerous person.
More so, are the conclave member who elected him.
How could they not know his politics. My guess is that they agree.
nicholas tesdorf says
Pope Francis continues to outdo himself, going from one insanity to even greater insane pronouncement. Does he not realise that these Christians were murdered by Muslims in the name of Allah and that it will continue forever as it has for 1,400 years.
Paul says
So sad pope is committed to promoting the deception about nature of Islam instead of “exposing the works of darkness” as bible exhorts. Thus current pope may be the most dangerous pope , misleading the world about the nature of Islam. If you want to study the intelligence of a fallen angel study Islam dominated UN globslism. Look at the OIC in particular.
gravenimage says
Pope: Christians murdered by Muslims are testament to God’s plan for peaceful coexistence of Christians and Muslims
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WTF? No, it doesn’t–it is a testament to Muslims’ continued intent to murder Christians.
More:
Both Christians and Muslims in Algeria “have been victims of the same violence for having lived, with faithfulness and respect for each other, their duties as believers and citizens in this blessed land. It is for them, too, that we pray and express our grateful tribute,” the Pope said.
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Not mention that a good number of those Muslims are actually *perpetrators* of this violence.
More:
Pope Francis said that all Algerians are heirs of the great message of love that began with St. Augustine of Hippo and continued with the martyred religious men and women “at a time when all people are seeking to advance their aspiration to live together in peace.”
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Well…yes. But the land Augustine of Hippo knew has been overrun by Muslims for centuries, and is now 97% Islam. There are only about 350,000 Christians surviving there today.
Wellington says
Seconded.
Seriously, gravenimage, I have concluded there is something profoundly wrong with Francis but that he is “merely” indicative of a Christian sect (the largest of all) gone terribly wrong over the past half century.
This does not bode well for freedom and other good things and it doesn’t take a Catholic, or even a religious person, to comprehend this.
gravenimage says
Sadly true, Wellington.
Indiana Tom says
The lives of 19 religious men and women martyred during the Algerian civil war are a testament to God’s plan of love and peaceful coexistence between Christians and Muslims, Pope Francis said.”
He is right. Peaceful coexistence will occur between Muslims and Christians when all the Christians are dead.
Peggy says
Not even then.
Albanians in Kosovo are vandalizing Serbian graves. They won’t allow even the dead to have any peace.
Raja says
How did this “pope” come to the conclusion that Christians are getting killed while all along he has been claiming that Islam is a peaceful religion?
The post of pope was never in God’s plan and therefore he has no right to talk about God’s plan.. Right from the days of Jesus the Church and the state were separated in clear terms. It is these traditional churches that are enabling murder of all non Muslims with the active help of left and corrupt leaders likes Merkel, Macron, May and so on.
This man’s thoughts are so warped that he has to make up his mind if he is against injustice, if he believes that the states can stand on their own legs.Time and again he has proven that he is against everything that is established by God.
Apostle Paul states in Acts 17: 26–and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,
27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
These verses are better understood by Dalai Lama than the so called pope what a shame!!!
WILLIAM J BABYAK says
His Holinessexhibits reckless contempt for the safety and health of His flock. In light of this hideous situation, every Catholic set under His (delusional) authority has the moral obligation to demand the removal of Pope Francis ( the legal grounds for which would be “depraved indifference in aiding and abetting multiple counts of homicide”).
Peggy says
gravenimage says
Dec 11, 2018 at 12:10 am
Someone else using this forum as a base not to oppose Jihad, but just to slander the Catholic church.
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I don’t see it that way.
Yes, this is Jihadwatch but the story is about the Pope speaking for the Catholic Church and I see no reason why the Church is beyond scrutiny.
We should be able to look at all religious institutions in a real way and shed light on the dark ways they have adopted.
This is not a rejection of Catholics because they are in the dark and they need to know what their representatives are doing in their name.
Catholic church does need a good clean starting from the top That much is evident and we have to be allowed to say it.
Now if there is no truth in what is said that’s a different matter.
gravenimage says
Peggy, I *certainly* do not consider the Catholic Church beyond criticism, and I criticize many aspects of the church myself–including this suicidal insanity from the current pontiff.
But some come here claiming things like the Catholic Church always having been satanic–even when it has fought to keep us free from Muslim conquest. I do not think this is true, or useful to the Counter-Jihad.
Of course, people have the right to such opinions–and people also have the right to counter such twaddle.
Peggy says
It’s true what you say it’s just that the story was about the Pope and the church this time.
I didn’t see any reason why that post shouldn’t be here. It was relevant.
I’m sure that Catholic church wasn’t always Satanic but it does have periods when one had to question it. It had some great periods and some really bad ones.
The Spanish Inquisition was particularly a bad time for the church and I think it was closer to Satan’s teaching than God’s.
Closer in history WW2 was a particularly shameful time and even evil time for the church as it openly supported horrific torture and abuse by Croatians who even had clergy soiling their own hands with blood (that includes priests and nuns). There was no way Rome didn’t know about that because the church enabled the worst to escape justice by smuggling them to Rome and then to Argentina.
Then the cover up of child abuse. Not helping the most vulnerable and even abusing them is as far away from God as you can get.
So yes, throughout history Catholic church had some great things to be proud of and some horrible things to be ashamed of.
Unfortunately thanks to this evil Pope it’s back to being ashamed of itself.
Hopefully good will prevail again but we all have to remember the whole picture in order to always be vigilant and call the church out when needed.
We have to stop it sliding into darkness.
This does not apply to the Catholic church only. Anglicans have slid so far down the slide that it’s a real worry now. Turning their churches into mosques is alarming and the head of that church (The Queen) has to take responsibility.
Some Orthodox churches need to pick up their game as well. They are giving Muslims a free pass thereby moving closer to the dark side.
The reason I am most worried about the Catholic church is because it’s the biggest and most influential so it has the most responsibility.
I certainly don’t hate anyone associated with these churches but I believe in telling it like it is even when it comes to my own. Christianity has had too much darkness in it’s past but at least we want to keep improving.
gravenimage says
Peggy, I have never said that posters don’t have the right to call the Catholic Church satanic–they do. It is also freedom of speech to disagree with this claim, though.
John Bailey says
Pope Francis is a Jesuit. Read up on the Jesuits, their history, what they believe, and the oath they take to be a member of the Jesuit Order. Then you will understand. Not good.
Nona says
With each pronouncement, he shows how much worse he s got in his delusion. He s taken a wrong turn, got onto the wrong highway somehere back there.
I want a world where one is allowed to worship or not. Live and let live.
Jan Favre says
Cultural Marxism dialectic of this Chrislamist Pope. Christian martyrs is a blessing to lead Islam of good coexistence with Islam. Once, there is no Christian, there will be no problem of coexistence. Superb!
Politicianophobia says
The revered< Islamic scholar, Sayyid Qutb said: "The chasm between Islam and the jahiliyyah is great, and a bridge is NOT TO BE BUILT across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but only so that the people of the jahiliyyah may COME OVER TO ISLAM."
Are we to believe Qutb was kidding or telling a lie?
Politicianophobia says
“Islam does not sanction the rule of selfish desires. It has come to ABOLISH all such concepts, laws, customs and traditions, and to replace them with a new concept of human life, to create a new world on the foundation of submission to the Creator.”
“We need not rationalize Islam to them, need not appease their desires and distorted concepts. We will be extremely outspoken with them: The ignorance in which you are living makes you impure, and God wants to purify you; the customs which you follow are defiling, and God wants to cleanse you; the life you are living is low, and God wants to uplift you; the condition which you are in is troublesome, depressing and base and God wants to give you ease, mercy and goodness. Islam will change your values; will raise you to another life so that you will look upon the life you are now living with disgust; will show you the modes of living such that you will look upon all other modes, whether Eastern or Western, with contempt, and will introduce you to values such that you will look upon all current values in the world with distain. And if because the sorry state you are in, you cannot see the TRUE PICTURE OF THE ISLAMIC LIFE, since your enemies, the enemies of this religion- are all united against the establishment of this way of life, against it taking a practical form, and let us show it to you and, thank God, its picture is in our hearts, seen through the windows of our Qur’an, OF OUR SHAR’AH, OF OUR HISTORY OUR CONCEPT OF THE FUTURE, WHOSE COMING WE HAVE NO DOUBT.”
“Our task is to replace jahiliyyah with Islamic ideas and traditions.”
“La ilaha illa Allah”
Syed Abul Ala Maududi, founder of the Pakistani political party Jamaat-e-Islami said; “Non-Muslims have absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth not to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines. If they do, the believers would be UNDER AN OBLIGATION to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and make them LIVE IN SUBSERVIENCE TO THE ISLAMIC WAY OF LIFE.”
What is the Pope doing to help Asis Bibi? Is he telling his friends to leave her be, let her leave Pakistan with her family?
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Politicianophobia says
Two books the Pope should read in New Year: 1. The History of Jihad by you know who and the Qur’an. Then he should make a public statement saying, Lord forgive me.
Save Europe says
Utter proof that Cultural Marxist Franny is wholly insane!
Why doesn’t he travel to Egypt, Pakistan and Bangladesh to view how Christians are treated!
Peggy says
Peter35 says
Dec 11, 2018 at 4:10 pm
Nope, I’ll say it again–frankie doesn’t have the brains to be evil. He’s stupid.
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Do you think that anyone can reach the top position by being stupid?
It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Peggy says
gravenimage says
Dec 12, 2018 at 11:09 pm
Peggy, I have never said that posters don’t have the right to call the Catholic Church satanic–they do. It is also freedom of speech to disagree with this claim, though.
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That it is.
We are all here to express our own views and learn from each other.
Hope you have a wonderful Christmas and don’t let anyone call it holidays.
gravenimage says
Same to you and yours, Peggy–Merry Christmas!