Modern-day Christians’ anxiousness to avoid offending Muslims could be the death of Christianity. My latest in FrontPage:
Buried in the concluding paragraphs of a Christmas Eve Washington Times report about Muslims in Uganda forcing Christians to convert to Islam was the extraordinary revelation that in that country, Muslims now consider any public statement of the Christian Faith to be a calculated insult to Muslims, for which they can justifiably exact revenge. This is, or should be, sobering news for the comfortable Christians of the West who have made an idol out of “interfaith dialogue” and fastidiously avoid saying anything remotely critical about Islam, even as the Muslim persecution of Christians continues worldwide.
“In June,” the Times reported, “a group of Muslims attacked Christian preachers in eastern Uganda during a ‘crusade,’ where Christians publicly profess their faith and invite others to join. Muslims in the town accused the Christians of mocking Islam by publicly saying Jesus was the Son of God.”
In response, said Christian pastor Moses Saku, the Muslims became violent: “They became very angry and began throwing rocks at Christians, chanting ‘Allah akbar.’ Many Christians were injured during the incident.”
The Christians appealed to the Muslims to have respect for those of other faith; the Muslims responded with contempt. One Muslim, Abubakar Yusuf, declared: “We have now declared a jihad against them. We are not going to allow anybody to despise Islamic teachings at their church or crusade. We will seek revenge.”
How did the Christians “despise Islamic teachings”? By preaching aspects of Christianity, such as the divinity of Christ, that Islam denies. The Christians, knowing how delicate their situation was, would never have dreamed of actually saying something critical about Islam itself; but to the Muslims who heard them, just enunciating the tenets of their Christian faith was criticism enough. And they refused to stand for it.
A few years ago, when jihadis attacked AFDI’s Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest in Garland, Texas, some Christians castigated me for co-sponsoring and speaking at the event. They said that Pamela Geller and I, as co-organizers of the event, were being needlessly provocative, poking Muslims in the eye, goading them, etc.
These charitable and enlightened Christians said that Christians should instead be deferential to others’ religious sensibilities. At the time, I responded to these people by explaining that giving in to violent intimidation (our event was a response to the jihad murder of the Charlie Hebdo Muhammad cartoonists in Paris) would only encourage more violent intimidation, and that given the fact that Muslims frequently found even basic expressions of Christian faith to be “provocative,” they were effectively cutting the ground out from under themselves and their children, making it impossible for them to practice Christianity in the future.
These incidents in Uganda are proof that this was correct. In declaring jihad and stating that the Muslims were now on a quest for revenge, Abubakar Yusuf and the Muslims who agree with him are in effect saying that the public expression of the Christian Faith mocks Islam and despises Islamic teachings. Abubakar Yusuf’s announcement that the Muslims had “declared jihad” against the Christians and would “seek revenge” against them was tantamount to a declaration that the Christians must submit to the hegemony of the Muslims, not daring to practice their faith openly, but only in private, behind closed door, and at the sufferance of their Muslim overlords.
This is exactly the status that Islamic law prescribes for Christians in lands governed by Islamic law, and so it is clear that Abubakar Yusuf is no lone fanatic, but is enunciating what many Muslims in Uganda believe to be only right and proper.
The lesson is clear, and not just for Uganda. If the advice of the cosseted, suburban Western Christians who were excoriating me for the Garland event is to be heeded, Christians should make no public expression of their faith at all, and convert to Islam, so as to avoid mocking, provoking, and offending Muslims, and poking them in the eye.
And what it comes to it, that is most likely the exact thing that those Christians will do.
Buraq says
Christianity : Inter faith dialogue. Islam : Inter faith monologue! Clowns!
mortimer says
So this the deal with interfaith dialogue: Christians enter it with good will, honesty and true representations of their concerns; whereas, Muslims enter dialogue with BARAA (hatred direct against kafirs), TAQIYYA, and misrepresentations of their true goals of subjugation.
Christians are always misled in dialogue by the craftiness of the Muslims, unless the Christians have studied Islam’s voluminous source texts. Then they will be called ‘Islamophobic’ to shut them up.
Rufolino says
Mortimer: Thanks for making that so clear.
P. Ali Karpus de Smyrna says
In many, not all, contemporary interfaith dialogues, the Christians are the ones most likely to abandon their central confession before “agreeing to disagree.”
To be fair, not all Muslims get offended by Christianity’s foundational confession. Respect for another’s view does not require agreement, but it does require having one’s own convictions that are non-negotiable.
gravenimage says
Some few Muslims may be like this–but, certainly, Islam itself does not allow any such peaceful outreach.
Mary says
The Muslims who purport to not being offended by expression of any faith not Islam are practicing taqqiya in a country where Islam isn’t the majority faith. Their goal, as their unholy Koran and haddiths make clear is to grind the infidel under the banner of mohammed.
Tell any random person you are an atheist and see who is more likely to kill you, a Muslim or a person processing any faith other than Islam.
Carol the 1st says
P. Ali…The statement “Convictions that are non-negotiable” seems to be gussied up with the implication of “perfect and non-compromising” (so what other hubris is new in Islam?). Islam has thus made a graven image of its faith and the implication is that it actually seeks to usurp the place of an unknowable God (despite someone called Moe claiming he had an “inside track”).
It brings to mind these verses :
Matthew 5:34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.
Frank Anderson says
Which choice leads to a better, more civilized, productive and happier life?
1. To believe that I am a complete accidental product of many opportunities of chance.
2. To believe that I am One of God’s Children, created in His Image, to live for a time a life of striving, freedom, joy and sorrow, laughter and tears, and all the other experiences that go with a normal productive existence among other Children of a Common Father.
I think only the religion of death and slavery chooses the first; while all the religions of life select the latter in one way or another.
If you would want to really drive followers of the religion of death up the wall/tree/whatever, say that we all are Children of a Common Spiritual Father, who wishes for us life, freedom, joy and peace. In my opinion you would be telling the truth.
gravenimage says
Happy New Year, Frank! Great to see you posting!
Frank Anderson says
GI, you always have my best wishes every day.
gravenimage says
🙂
gravenimage says
That was supposed to be a smiley face. On this clunky stop-gap keyboard I’m using now I”m not sure what that was. Anyway, smiles was what I meant.
somehistory says
It is a smiley face.
Frank Anderson says
There is no reason to worry. Having had MANY unkind things (some true and some not) said and written about me most of my life, I have no need to create dissention among friends. Unlike the people WE oppose, I am not looking for insults to create. “Nobody appreciates peace like the people who fight for it.”
I recently irritated a lifelong friend who completely misunderstood my sharing the conclusion of one of many great sermons I heard in a Presbyterian church about 25 years ago. The speaker/preacher was a ThD, a 4 year earned degree after a Bachelors. He observed that December 25 was chosen as the day to celebrate Christmas because we really don’t know which day is actually Jesus’ birthday. He suggested that because of that historical uncertainty, EVERY day is just as appropriate as EVERY other to celebrate the birth and life of Jesus. My friend, also among other things a Presbyterian minister, thought I was trying to insult him and his faith. Nothing could be further from true. I believe what I believe and that leaves plenty of room for others to have their faith and live it.
As for aging fingers, poor eyesight and sticky uncooperative keyboards, a lot of us live in glass houses.
gravenimage says
Frank, I very much get your point–historically, Jesus probably was not born on December 25–but it is a good day to celebrate the Savior’s birth–and as you note, so is every other day. This does not make Christmas meaningless; it makes every other day a reason to be grateful, as well.
And thank you, Somehistory–I knew it was likely, but all I’m seeing is a grey square.
I should be back to my laptop in a few days after a minor repair–until then, this old computer is slow and clunky but mostly gets the job done, which is fine.
Again, Happy New Year to you both!
Frank Anderson says
GI, please do not make the same error as my friend. I am not saying (writing) that Dec 25 celebration is meaningless. I am writing (saying) that this particular date was imposed by authority in the absence of knowing the correct date and to obtain some competitive advantage over a competing religion. I suggest that each of us is in the final analysis just as much of an authority today as Emperor Constantine was a little short of 2,000 years ago to recognize and celebrate the greatness and wisdom of Jesus’ life and teachings. Accepting as a matter of faith, without other proof (none needed in the presence of faith), that Jesus lived, taught and sacrificed for us is reason to celebrate and remember every day, which I do in my own way and respect the authority of others to do in theirs..
Contrast that approach with a competing religion of death and slavery which allows no individual thought.
No Fear says
Stop saying “Life is the only begotten son of the universe”……it provokes those who worship the universe.
don vito says
In my koran, the proper name of God is allah. I suppose it doesn’t make any difference to,people like itace, lebel et al, that Christians (until recently) when refering to I Am, as God and not allah, calling Yeshua the son of God, is not like calling Isa the son of allah. Heaven forbid, calling the Lord by a pagan name.
j_not_a says
In the Bible, the proper name of God is Jehovah which means “I shall prove to be whom I shall prove to be”.
R Russell says
j_not_a says
“In the Bible, the proper name of God is Jehovah which means “I shall prove to be whom I shall prove to be”.”
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This is the common belief of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The name ‘Jehovah’ they will tell you is a manufactured name by an R C Monk, Raymond Martini who in 14th century added the vowels of Adonai to YHWH and came up with the Latinised name, ‘Jehovah’. Non JW translations when speaking of YHWH (ehyeh) speaking to Moses, say to tell the Children of Israel, that ‘I am who I am’ has sent Moses to them.
https://exodus-314.com/part-i/exodus-314-in-early-jewish-and-christian-translations/
By saying YHWH’s name means “I shall prove to be whom I shall prove to be” detracts from Jesus calling himself I, I Am (ego eimi) and the Jews at the time knowing this to be blasphemy because he was making himself out to be ‘God’. (They took up stones to stone him for blasphemy and he went on trial for blasphemy, death being what the Jews wanted, thus taking him before Rome for that reason.) Remember the Jews of Jesus’ time used the Septuagint which translates Exodus 3, 14 as “ego eimi ho on”
Thus the Jews who Jesus was calling himself by God’s name – to them, blasphemy – they crucified him for blasphemy.
John 8. The New World Translation also changes the Greek for when Jesus says, ‘before Abraham was, I am’ (constant present tense) The NWT translates it as ‘I have been’ which the Greek does not say. In fact the translation committee, which had no Greek or Hebrew scholars with university decrees, over the years, took 3 attempts to translate ‘I am’ when relating to Abraham. All three attempts were wrong as is the wrong translation they have stuck with.
The Greek proves Jesus to be YHWH as he says he is, YHWH in the flesh and by nature, proceeding from the Father.
Mark Swan says
We can begin, by looking carefully at the third commandment itself: “You
shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain” (Exodus 20:7).
Many proponents of the so-called “sacred names” believe that when we
do not pronounce God’s Hebrew name, His name is rendered incorrectly.
The commandment clearly instructs us that we must not use the Creator’s
name in a way that is empty or thoughtless. We are not to lift up His name
in a way that is useless, but rather we are to show deep reverence and
respect at all times.
Can or should names ever be translated?
Name clearly involves reputation, but there is also another important aspect.
The most important feature of a name, from a Biblical standpoint, is its meaning!
Some contend that names are not translated from one language to another.
This is certainly not the case.
Again, it was the meaning of the name that the author wished to stress.
The point is, there is ample illustration of the fact that names were often
translated in Scripture to make their meanings evident to readers who
did not understand the original language.
Those who adhere to the Hebrew names doctrine argue that the true name
of God is the tetragrammaton, YHVH. Because Hebrew was originally written
without vowels, there is sometimes disagreement over how words should be
pronounced. Such is the case here. The various factions of the sacred names
movement disagree among themselves over the proper pronunciation. While
most argue for Yahweh, others favor Yahveh, while yet others use slight
variations.
Scholars disagree as to the proper pronunciation since, after the close of the
Old Testament period, the Jews, out of a superstitious reverence, ceased to
pronounce the name.
They became so obsessed with the worry that they might somehow take the
name of God in vain, that they avoided using it altogether. The result was that
over time the exact pronunciation became unclear.
The form “Yahweh” has come down to us today from the certain early writers
who reconstructed the pronunciation from the Greek transliteration used by the
Samaritans! To rely on what these early writers got from the Samaritans is clearly
dubious. In fact, Christ made it plain that the Samaritans did not even know what
they worshipped (John 4:22).
If this were essential knowledge required for salvation, this is clearly not how
God would have preserved it!
In fact, based upon the rhythm of certain poetic passages which use the name
YHVH, and upon the musical notation preserved in the Hebrew text, it is most
likely that the name was actually pronounced with three syllables, not two as
most sacred names people use.
Aside from the issue of pronunciation, however, what does the Bible reveal
about the Creator’s name?
The vital significance of God’s name is what it reveals about Him, not a
particular phonetic sound.
God revealed Himself to His people through many combinations of names
used in the Old Testament. He was El Shadai (Almighty God), YHVH Sabaot
(Eternal of Hosts), YHVH Ropheka (Eternal our Healer) and had many other
names as well. The term adonai—which means “lord”—is also frequently used
for God. After all, He is Lord of all, the possessor and owner of everything that
exists. The Greek equivalent, kurios, is commonly used in the New Testament
and carries exactly the same meaning.
When the Messiah returns to this earth we are told that: “He has on His robe
and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS”
(Revelation 19:16).
In the New Testament, how did Christ teach His disciples to address the
Most High God? Matthew 6:9 and numerous other scriptures show that we
are to address Him as Father, not by the tetragrammaton (YHVH).
We despise and blaspheme the name of God not by mispronouncing a Hebrew
word or using modern language translations of ancient Hebrew names and titles.
Rather, Malachi 1:6–14 makes plain that God’s name is despised and profaned
by the actions of those who claim to be His people, yet serve Him in a careless
and begrudging manner.
In Romans 2:24, Paul states that the name of God was blasphemed among
the gentiles because of the poor example of many of the Jews. Clearly,
blaspheming the name of God was not simply a matter of using the
tetragrammaton improperly, because the gentiles would not even have
known the Hebrew pronunciation of YHVH. After all, the Jews of the first
century never used the sacred name, even among themselves.
Rather, what the gentiles did know was that those who professed to worship
the one true Creator God, the God of Israel, were not much different than
anyone else in their personal lives. The poor example of many Jews led
many gentiles to disrespect the God of Israel.
Rendering God’s names, which describe His attributes and character,
into a language understood by our audience is important. It enables
listeners to understand who the true God and Savior of mankind really is.
In Matthew 6:9, Christ taught us to pray to our Father in Heaven “hallowed
be Your name.”
To hallow is to sanctify, dedicate or set apart. How then do we truly hallow
the name of our Creator? We do so through our words and our deeds.
We are to show love, honor and reverence in every aspect of our lives for
our Maker who is bringing us into His very family.
Instead of being superstitious about the Hebrew sound of the Creator’s name,
we should truly honor Him and live for Him.
We should focus on the meaning of His names and titles and what they
reveal about the One that we worship. In so doing we will please and
honor our Heavenly Father and our Elder Brother who is our Lord
Jesus Christ, by name.
Wellington says
Most anything provokes Muslims in huge numbers, one of many indications of how wretched Islam truly is. Well, when the reputed founder of your religion demonstrates the characteristics of a psychopath, control-freak, pedophile, narcissist, overall fraud and a misogynist (hey, let’s not forget Mo said that most of the people he saw in Hell were women and the Islamic conception of the afterlife, stupid and childlike which it surely is, is a place where women “service” men), then you can expect “temper tantrums,” some of them actually lethal, ad nauseam.
And that’s exactly what we have with Islam—the worst religion ever created by man. Easily so. No contest here.. Sick of Islam. Sick of appeasement of Islam. Why isn’t most everyone by now?
Watchingtheweasels says
Because for some in the west, their hatred of accountability to Jesus has them look at Islam as an ally in preventing his message from spreading.
PRCS says
Like the “gay” community.
gravenimage says
Actually, I know quite a few gay Christians–and the ones who are not don’t hate Christianity, either. It is harder to find gay people who grasp the threat of Islam, but there are some–Bruce Bawer is one, as is Milo Y–so was my late friend Mark.
P. Douglas says
Muslims have never given a single thought as to how much their vile, evil and Satanic Cult offends ME!
So!
Guess I’ll continue on my merry way, SAYING ANYTHING I DAMN WELL PLEASE!
IF muslims start worrying about my feeling, THEN I might start worrying about them.
R Russell says
This is what Jihad Watch reported:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/12/uk-government-refuses-to-say-whether-proclaiming-divinity-of-christ-is-a-hate-crime
We in the UK may soon be persecuted and killed for our faith.
Bur Jesus is coming soon. Maranatha!
Prayer changes things
It will be livestreamed.
https://www.eurovision.org.uk/prayer2019
Save Europe says
I’m in the UK too, and they ‘have it in’ for Christians, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Tamils, Singalese – ie anything that isn’t Muslim, full stop.
PRCS says
Yep!
Those who think Judaism and Christianity are Islam’s targets, and/or that Muslims hate “the West”…..
Noooo.
Islam’s ultimate goal is to subjugate all mankind under the hegemony of Islamic law.
abad says
Seeing that Uganda has 0.1% animists/pagans – how are they faring under the evil of Islam?
Islam really does not have any place in Uganda.
James Lincoln says
Robert Spencer is, of course, correct.
Kowtowing and Islam-submissive apologies will only serve to further decrease the trigger threshold of Muslims.
Prabh108 says
Allah supposedly has three daughters. The birth of a boy child after the birth of three daughters is thought by some to be very unlucky.
Raja says
Islam ensures that it is pitted against anyone who doesn’t toe their line. The Jews find no offense in the term Son of God because of the verse in Psalms 2:12 I guess.
Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!
The Jews of Jesus’ time understood that Jesus was equating himself to God and Jesus said with authority that he was there from the beginning,
Islam makes propaganda out of every event possible and tries its supposed supremacy.
j_not_a says
If That’s true of the Jews, they could not have been more wrong. Jesus Himself never claimed to be God or the Father. He continuously said while He was on earth that His Father had sent Him (Jesus) to do His Father’s will not His (Jesus’) will. Jesus constantly prayed to His Father who was in Heaven for strength to do His Father’s will during His (Jesus) time on earth.
The trinity doctrine is completely false and has it’s roots in paganism and demonism.
somehistory says
Jesus told His disciples that “The Father is greater than I am. John 14:28).”
He said, “The One that sent me, is always with me, because I always do the things pleasing to my Father (John 8:29),’ and He prayed to His Father on many occasions, even hearing His Father speak from heaven.
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He said many other things to let His disciples, including those living today, know that His Father had authority over Him as the Son.
Many will disagree with this, and that is their freedom to do so. Each one must decide for himself/herself what to believe and what to reject.
Belief in Christ and obedience to His commands are the most important things. Full understanding comes bit by bit, and none of us know everything.
Nelson. M says
You are right my friend, To understand How YHWH works, you need to understand first that He is not a Huge giant human being with beard siting in the cloud. Muslim thinks that way therefore they limit YHWH in their understanding by confusing Him with Allah, The male moon-god who married the sun god a female goddess, and have 3 daughters Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
YHWH is THE GREAT SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE. The SPIRIT behind all creation; this too confuses Ignorant Muslims as it confused the illiterate Muhammad. YHWH in His MAGNIFICENT has many Entities within Him. He uses His Breath to make human a living soul, His Word to save human, His Spirit to facilitate the communication to His Spiritual Realm, thus praying in Spirit and in Truth, makes Him hear our prayers.
Yeshua is not YHWH the father; nor is He the Holy Spirit to whom Ibrahim Itace refers to as Satan. However, He is YHWH’s representation. Yeshua is the infallible WORD of YHWH; Muslim says that He is almighty all-powerful, omniscient and omnipotent, yet they limit Him saying He cannot do this or that, or for that matter have a son. They forget that He gave us the power of procreation.
The infallible Word of YHWH created everything; nothing had, or can resist the POWERFUL infallible Word of YHWH that created all things. He speaks things into be through the same word.
However, this was a tremendous confusion to Muhammad and to all Muslims. Muslims do not understand the LAW of SIN and DEATH; therefore, they will never understand the teaching of Yeshua. The prophet Ezekiel 18:4 said the SOUL that sin shall die. Yeshua concluded by saying: in Matthew, 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell”
THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE SIN IN THE WAY of YHWH was to put it in a cul-de-sac with no way out until its power is destroyed. That cul-de-sac no way out, was the conception of the Word, the work of the word in action, the death, the resurrection and the ascension of His infallible Word. That is why the same Word was sent to Mary to become flesh. If sin dwelled in … a woman, it was a MUST that the Word of YHWH to dwell in the womb of a women to sanctify her and save humankind from the Law of Sine and death.
In Him (the infallible Word), is all wisdom, all knowledge and power of YHWH, He is the Alphabet, the Alpha and Omega of YHWH’s language, he represent everything you need to know about YHWH. Moreover, no one will come to YHWH except through Yeshua. NO ONE WILL KNOW YHWH‘s LANGUAGE UNLESS HE HAS LEARN HIS ALPHABET; YESHUAH. Did you hear Him saying I am the way, the truth and the life? Yeah.
YHWH has interacted with HUMANS in three main ways, first Himself, from the beginning until He sent his Word, after that He interacted through His infallible WORD, and after Word repaired the way, He is now interacting through the Holy Spirit.
Muslim will never comprehend the mystery of YHWH; instead have accepted lies, from the father of all lies. Some Muslim friends we studied together and I captained in soccer teams, they agreed with me on Yeshua’s teaching but they cannot afford to lose their material things and the ambiance that comes with Islam culture, that is what they love, so they decides to stay and just enjoy it.
Carol the 1st says
As has been hiding in plain sight – the LORD’s Prayer:
OUR Father, Who art in Heaven
Hallowed by THY name,
THY Kingdom come,
THY will be done,
On earth as it is in Heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil
For THINE is the Kingdom
And the power, and the glory
Forever,
Amen
Carol the 1st says
Nelson’s last paragraph is striking (and is pretty self-evident actually):
“Some Muslim friends we studied together and I captained in soccer teams, they agreed with me on Yeshua’s teaching but they cannot afford to lose their material things and the ambiance that comes with Islam culture, that is what they love, so they decides to stay and just enjoy it.”
Modern people usually have reasonable options and therefore should not continue on merely washing their hands passively in the face of what their creed has horrendously inflicted upon others. This is to be a disgrace and a moral sloth.
John says
The hypocracy of these Muslims.
They say that celebrating NYE is haram, yet the Burj Khalifa was lit up with fireworks.
PRCS says
Tourist money.
Goes to the jihad.
KWJ says
It’s the 21st century and there is still a religion that acts like it is the 7th century and they don’t appear to be embarrassed about it except maybe ex-Muslims. This is really pathetic as well as those who coddle this nonsense. Many Muslims will say it’s not true Islam or all Muslims aren’t like that, but of course it is Islam and Islamic history.
I’ve been reading about imams in the US and Canada who confirm this and talk about jihad and martyrdom in fighting as the highest honor. One guy at a conference in Canada said he wants to see all women in America dressed with just their hands and face showing. He also advocates for chopping off hands for stealing and that would greatly reduce robberies in America. In early America people some did get a finger chopped off for stealing and we publicly hanged people as well as banning alcohol in our Constition which just caused organized crime and more cop killings than ever in our history, and people making homemade wine.
But that’s how a lot of Muslims are talking in Western countries. The OIC claims that Islam is kind, compassionate, treats other faiths with decency but that doesn’t even happen in Pakistan, Christians can’t practice outwardly in Saudi Arabia, and so on.
The idea that expressing that Jesus is the Son of God, a religion before Islam, and then Islam copied and twisted the Old Testament prophets and people, then Jesus who in Islam is not the same…it’s crazy. A more advanced modern civilization is making fools of themselves and Western Christians, governments, and the Left that harasses White, male Christians (forgetting all the black and Hispanic male Christians)…y’all want to submit to Islam? That’s insane.
Dear America, this isn’t who we are. Politicians, I can assure you every time you cow to Islamists, you are being laughed at and losing another ounce of dignity. The current Pope is a laughingstock…so easy.
How can Africa develop with all this there? Who thinks you can rein in Islamists when you’re done destroying other people’s lives, beliefs and values? Stupid fools.
j_not_a says
OIC – “claims izlum is kind, compassionate and treats other faiths with decency”. I laff my slightly pudgy butt off!!!! Thanks for helping me burn off a few extra calories today!!!!
But more seriously if it were only even a smidgen true more innocent people would be alive today.
Ed Lee says
You’re right Robert. Most western Christians are uninformed drones who are willing to submit to any oppression to appease Muslims. They remind me of most of the people in the Old Testament who would never take a principled stand about anything: They just allied themselves with whoever appeared to be the most powerful at the moment in order to save their own skins. We must all remember what Benjamin Franklin wrote in 1759: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”.
Barry Donnelly says
Praise to the Triune God ! Praise to The Father for Electing His Particular People , Praise To Jesus The Eternal Son for purchasing them by His Sacrificial Atonement , Resurrection , Ascension and Mediation . Praise to The Person Of God The Holy Spirit For Applying the work of The Father And The Son , supernaturally to God’s Elect . Cursed be mohammad and all False Prophets and Doctrines of Demons . And of course Happy New Year !!!
Kepha says
Same to you and yours!
Crusades Were Right says
Muslim-“Christian” Inter-faith Dialogue:
Muslim: “Crusaders were evil. Islam is peace. Support sharia law in your lands.”
“Christian”: “Yes, sir!”
somehistory says
Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son of the Living God. Jesus is the “Prince of Peace, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Wonderful Counselor, Savior, The Master, Teacher, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Messiah, Greatest Prophet.
He will soon use His great power and authority to crush and destroy satan the devil, his demon cohorts, and all humans who willfully follow them. This eternal destruction will include the “wild beast,” islam and its false prophet.
Every time someone hurts one of God’s children, one of His people who love Him, God says it is as though someone is : ” he that is touching you, is touching My (His) eyeball.” (Zech 2)
If moslims wish to be offended, and they do…then poke, poke, poke. The Truth only hurts those who lust for the lie.
Roy Galutia says
Had the Early church heeded the advice to be silent in the face of persecution there likely would not be a strong christian faith …Saint John was very explicit about the trinity and Jesus being the son of God …Saint John being one of jesus’s closet disciples ought to know …
Roy Galutia says
read the first Epistle (letter) of John
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer in FrontPage: Christians, Stop Saying Jesus Is the Son of God. It Provokes Muslims.
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Just being Christian “provokes” Muslims.
Save Europe says
…..and/or just being non Muslim, per se, offends Muslim.
Islam – the supposed religion of the certainly, perpetually offended.
PRCS says
Or an atheist.
As Save Europe notes: and/or just being non Muslim.
gravenimage says
True, Save Europe and PRCS.
Older Canadian says
This strife has been going on for 1400 years. Humans are tribal, always have been. Each tribe creates its own culture and that culture creates their own version of a religion. It appears the only way to have peace on earth is segregation of tribes, within continents, within countries.
This incompatibility is not new. It took China 400 years to build their great wall. The wall was a necessity, not a landscape enhancement.
Times may change, weather patterns change, but unfortunately basic human nature hasn’t. Greed and self importance has always been the primary flaw.
somehistory says
3 Stabbed in Manchester Station. Two men and a woman. Suspect in custody.
Per the article in CNN: “BBC producer Sam Clack happened to be at the scene. He heard the man “shout ‘Allah’ distinctly,” but he didn’t hear the rest of the sentence, he said on air with the BBC. Shortly after the incident, Clack said this on Twitter:
“Just been very close to the most terrifying thing. Man stabbed in Manchester Victoria station on tram platform. Feet from me, I was close to jumping on the tracks as attacker had long kitchen knife. Totally shaken. This is seriously messed up.”
infidel numero uno says
Resurrect the crusades to rid the Earth of the evil scourge of humanity, the degenerate, unholy, wicked, sinful, decadent, despicable 7th century cult known as izlaam (ptui).
b.a. freeman says
ever since constantine made christianity legal in the roman empire, the churches have been packed with those seeking political, economic, and social advantage. they are not there because they are saved and love Jesus and other people, but because they are getting something else out of the relationship with believers. in consequence, the church has been diluted, and in the west, is currently filled with pew-warmers who treat it as a social club, like the rotary club, or the lions. there is nothing wrong with such a club, but those 2 particular clubs do not claim to be religions, either. thus, when the sword of islam approaches, these people will be among the first to convert, because the remaining advantages of being a church member will be gone, and danger will have replaced it.
as we have seen in many dictatorships where christians are actively persecuted, however, those who insist on remaining in the church in spite of maltreatment by the ummah and the State will be there because they *DO* love Jesus and other people – even those who hate and persecute them. this is when the church will thrive and grow, because she will consist *ONLY* of believers, not a bunch of parasites. granted, those parasites are lost and in need of Jesus, too, just like all of us, but take a look at the church today in the west, and look at her dysfunctional policies, supporting hard-core leftist and pious muslim ideals, ideals which are at odds with His perfect will; He is not active in those social clubs. instead, satan is at work in them, misdirecting the efforts of believers while threatening their lives with the murderous evil of islam. the church will be better off without the parasites, and in fact, the parasites themselves may very well benefit should the evil of islam drive them to God.
Gabrielle says
I do not care what offends you. He S my Savior and Redeemer. I will not stop ever.
el Cid 2 says
Beware my friends. Do not under estimate the malign power of Islam.
In Spain Muslim domination persisted for almost 800 years. It still persists in previously Christian Anatolia – modern day Turkey, almost all of North Africa and most of the Middle East. (Where Sunni and Shia still kill each other with relish – never mind the infidel).
Do not surrender Western Civilization to the 7th century barbarism of Islam.
dan christensen says
Christianity was originally the favorite religion of slaves in the Roman Empire.
This fact alone tells us, that Christianity must somehow appeal a good deal to people with the mentality and attitude of servile slaves.
Naturally, if the slave demeanor still is so widespread among Christians, many Christians possess a longing for the good old days, when the Roman slave owner let the whip hit the oikophobian Christians backs.
Be assured that islamist fanatics happily will take over the role of the Roman slave drivers – just to make the hated Christianity stop elevating Jesus over Moe.
greyhound fancier says
Christianity appealed to slaves (and all other classes of society, look up St. Cecilia) because the slaves were taught that their status of slave was not regarded by the Lord.
gravenimage says
Sorry, Dan, this is claptrap.
Christianity appealed to slaves *because if offered dignity and freedom*. These people were not slaves because they were naturally servile, but because they were persecuted.
In contrast, Islam is a creed for thugs and bullies–those who want not freedom, but to enslave others.
James says
Got it in one. In addition, the Teaching of Christ does not pander to human lusts and base appetites – Mo, OTOH, used his sockpuppet allah to pander to his lusts.
Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says
The only miracle in Islam is that it has 1.4 billion slaves in its community.
It’s a vile pagan poison poured into the hearts and minds of the lost and stupid through repetitive psychotic poetry and a few commentaries regarding Muhammad’s illiterate concoction of pagan drivel and perverse desires.
When you meet a Muhammadan, you meet a block of lard, turn up the heat and watch their brains fry.
A_M_Swallow says
King James Bible
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12
This do as you would be done by applies to both Christians and Muslims. One consequence is that for every act of politeness by Christians an act of politeness has to be paid by Muslims. The Muslims appear to be behind on their payments.
Logically the Pope is as well. if Muslims wish to attach Christians then Christians need to make payment by attacking Muslims.
gravenimage says
Civilized people don’t act like Muslims.
James says
Civilised people are not Mahometans. Dialogue is useless & impossible, just as dialogue with Hitler’s gang would have been impossible (BTW, 30 days of Facebook gaol is the reward on FBook for making *that* comparison).
A_M_Swallow says
In Britain Muslims could be discriminating against members of other religions. This breaks the spirit of Section 13 of the Equality Act 2000 and women under sections 13 and 14. Religious Harassment is banned by Section 26
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15
Racially based Hate Speech is banned by Section 18 of the ‘Public Order Act 1986’.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/contents
Watchingtheweasels says
I’m not sure if you received the memo across the pond yet, but on this side of the Atlantic we have known that such secular speech codes aren’t applied equally for some time. They exist to expand the power of Mohammedanism and Secular Humanism.
A_M_Swallow says
I have got that memo but the police can be ordered to apply it equally. The public are getting suspicious. Performing a terrorist act where a BBC journalist+producer has to take cover may cause the press to think again about supporting Islam. Muslim immigration is a major reason for Britain leaving the European Union.
Ed Lee says
Brexit may not happen. The EU has made it quite clear that they intend to decimate the UK, economically, for trying to leave. The message is clear:”Refusal to be dhimmis will not be tolerated”.
A_M_Swallow says
Brexit will happen. Whether the EU HQ will be still a round in a years time is a related by different question.
Richard Courtemanche says
During the Ottoman era, some popes ordered for Crusades to repel invasions. Now, we have a pope behaving like a politician and supporting Islam. Is the pope expected to be protected by the elites of the NWO while Christians become slaves!
ronyvo says
JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. I say it loud and clear and I will say it to the end of my earthy life. Whosever gets offended with that, that is his/her problem not mine.
Anyway, I get offended big time with their (Muslims) pushing their Satanic system (Islam) on me. I get offended when they scream alllahu akbar when they are committing their criminal Islamic crimes, killing, raping our women and girls, destroying our properties, forcing their ugly women attire on us, shariah, halal food, dictating and demanding that we change our laws and way of life to accommodate their filthy and diabolical habits. I get offended when I hear the useless ‘azan’ by microphones. I get offended when they declare their offend with getting offended.
In short I get VERY offended when they try to Islamize our country. Just go to where you came from and stay there enjoying your Satanic habits.
ISLAM IS ON LIFE SUPPORT. You Muslims know it and that is why you are scared and angry. Get used to it, Islam is not better than Communism, Nazism, fascism, which all gone. Islam is to follow. Mark my word.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mortimer, that doctrine of divine son of God came from pagan myths in your mithraist pagan Bible, Jesus never taught that rubbish. Are you aware that in Zimbabwe ,not far away from Uganda, a mithraist christian barbarian pastor has started selling tickets to heaven at the rate of $500 each?Are you ready to buy? In Nigeria mithraist christian barbarians wear winged gowns jumping up and down to fly to heaven during Easter. you can try that one if you cannot afford $500 per ticket in Zimbabwe. mithraist African Christians learn all such stupidities from your mithraist pagan Bible inspired by the satan you call Holy Spirit,and they produce too bad smells.
Kent says
Christians saying that “Jesus is the Son of God” offends Muslims?
Too bad for them. I won’t deny my Lord to appease those demonized barbarians.
One thing I will say however is this: Allah IS Satan.
And Satan/Allah will end up in the Lake of Fire.
Wait’ll we tell them that.