My latest over at the Geller Report:
The story couldn’t possibly be more horrifying: a young woman from Denmark, Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, and another from Norway, Maren Ueland, 28, were knifed and beheaded by Islamic jihadists while camping in the Atlas Mountains in Morocco. The jihadis, mad with bloodlust, videoed their beheading of one of the women and had the savage cruelty to send the video to her mother.
The world is justly sickened by this animal barbarity on the part of the three Islamic State jihad murderers who were arrested shortly thereafter. However, it must also be noted that Jespersen and Ueland are not just victims of the Islamic State (ISIS). They are also the latest casualties of the Left’s fantasy world. The responsibility for their deaths lies not just with ISIS, and their deaths are not simply a result of their own poor judgment. The deaths of Louisa Jespersen and Maren Ueland are also a consequence of the Leftist world in which they moved and lived. Leftist leaders constructed this fantasy world, because Leftist ideas are dead on the drawing board without it.
What were they doing, two young women alone, camping in Morocco?
According to the MailOnline, “Ms Ueland’s mother, Irene, told Norwegian broadcaster NRK: ‘Her priority was safety. The girls had taken all precautionary measures before embarking on this trip.’”
Except that it obviously did not even occur to them that what they thought they knew about Morocco’s religion and culture might be inaccurate and designed to whitewash Islam, leaving them ill-informed about a threat that they actually did end up facing.
Louisa Jespersen and Maren Ueland no doubt learned in whatever Scandinavian universities they attended, since those universities were no doubt as saturated as universities everywhere else in the Western world with moral relativism and contemptuous of absolutes, that there is no dispute between people that can’t be settled by mutually respectful “dialogue,” and that the troubles in the world today are primarily the fault of the U.S. and Israel. So why should two girls from Scandinavia have anything to worry about in Morocco?
Jespersen and Ueland no doubt also learned that Islam is a religion of peace, and that only racist, bigoted “Islamophobes” think otherwise. So why should they have had any reason to be concerned about hiking in a Muslim country such as Morocco?
If they heard any dissenting views regarding Islam, there is no doubt also that those views were subjected to furious and concerted demonization. They were likely taught, if they heard anything at all about people who do not believe that Islam is a religion of peace, that such people were “bigots,” “racists,” and “Islamophobes,” and should be regarded with disgust and contempt.
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is a good barometer of Leftist opinion today (and the establishment media that treats the SPLC as if it were a reliable source), and the SPLC sees only one group of genuinely evil people in the world. Those evil people are the ones who recognize that there are evil forces in the world that are set against the United States, and who want to protect Americans against Islamic jihadists, criminal migrants, and more, are the only evil ones.
Jespersen and Ueland almost certainly had nothing but disdain for such “intolerance” and “hate” manifested by foes of jihad terror and unrestricted illegal immigration. The educators who taught in the schools they attended most likely conveyed the impression that anyone who thought that two young Scandinavian women might be at risk when camping alone in Morocco was simply a “racist.”
Now they are dead, murdered in a gruesome fashion, and second only to the horror and tragedy of their murders is the great pity of the fact that no one among their peers is likely to learn the true lesson of their deaths. And some among them are certain to repeat their mistake. The Islamic State will be waiting, and can thank the Left for providing its jihadis with a continual supply of victims.
Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center. He is author of the New York Times bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His new book is The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS. Follow him on Twitter here. Like him on Facebook here.
Buraq says
One thing we can always be sure of – the Left is never right! Clowns!
Crusades Were Right says
Scary clowns at that!
mortimer says
THE LEFT SACRIFICED THESE WOMEN ON THE ALTAR OF LEFTIST LUNACY.
sixbunnies says
The Jihadis sacrificed these women on the altar of leftist lunacy. The left prepares the victims, but leaves their slaughter to the jihadis.
Savvy Kafir says
That’s not true. Progressives get some very important issues right (protecting the environment, green energy, animal welfare, religious skepticism) — but most Lefties are totally misguided & misinformed on other very important issues (such as Islam, gun rights, political correctness, & cultural relativism). Ditto for conservatives & libertarians.
We all need to examine each issue objectively & honestly, based on its own merits, following the evidence wherever it takes us, without undue regard for the opinions of our fellow progressives or fellow conservatives.
In the war with Islam, the vast majority of progressives & liberals are on the wrong side of the conflict, if they’re involved at all. And that is a VERY big problem; and a situation that’s incredibly frustrating for me and for other progressive counter-jihadis. But those on the political left don’t get every issue wrong — same as those on the right.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Agreed, SK. The flip-side of that kind of thinking is that *we* get everything right, always — a very dangerous position to get oneself into. Just because I agree with someone on most things doesn’t mean I agree with them on everything.
Savvy Kafir says
Good point, Anjuli! If only more people realized that.
Anne says
Yes, does this come without life experience? I think no.
Stuart Smith : says
animal welfare, Well here in the UK they banned fox hunting with dogs, but let islam continue with the halal barbarity. in the animal welfare the left are just thick.
Savvy Kafir says
Many liberals have a major blind spot with any issue, once Islam becomes involved. Animal rights. Women’s rights. Gay rights. Many Lefties seem willing to sell out on any principle or agenda, if that’s what it takes to make nice with Muslims, who occupy the topmost rung of the victimhood hierarchy, in the estimation of the politically correct.
It’s f*cked up. It’s insane. I do not condone any of it.
PRCS says
An interesting article:
The Women’s March Anti-Semites: A Cautionary, ‘Intersectional’ Tale
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/womens-march-anti-semitism-identity-politics/
PRCS says
Islam is not a warm and fuzzy “progressive” ideology. Per one definition, it is extremely conservative.
With that as the starting point:
What’s the ratio of those on “the left” who realize that and hold their noses from the stench “for the cause” vs those of their useful idiots?
Don’t know, but the number of clueless “women’s march” participants who allow Sarsour to lead them is noteworthy.
On the other hand, CAIR and other “wolves in sheep’s clothing organizations” hold their collective noses “for the cause”, too, with every SJW cause they co-opt.
Savvy Kafir says
Islam is THE most ultra-conservative ideology on the planet. Just one of the many reasons I despise it. Dragging the world back into the 7th Century is not my idea of progress.
As I said in my original comments, the vast majority of progressives/ liberals are totally clueless about the true nature of Islam. I am not responsible for their views. I strongly disagree with their idiotic take on The Religion of Peace. It is pure insanity. But that doesn’t mean they’re wrong on every issue. They aren’t.
PRCS says
“Islam is THE most ultra-conservative ideology on the planet. Just one of the many reasons I despise it. Dragging the world back into the 7th Century is not my idea of progress.”
Same here.
thebigW says
Their operating premise is there’s Two Islams, the Islam of the “conservative” “extremists” and the Islam of all the nice Brown Muslims they know and assume exist in the vast majority. Doesn’t matter how much info we can bring about how bad Islam is, these idiots will file it all away under Islam #1, not #2.
Anton Filipenkov says
I disagree with your list of issues “rightly understood” by the left. 1. protecting the environment? Hmm. That depends on what you mean mentioning ‘protecting’. CO2 emissions? Then you are absolutely wrong. If some undeniable pollutants then there’s no monopoly of the left in that field. 2. Green energy? What is it? I assume it correlates with the above-mentioned line. 3. “animal welfare”??? What’s that? I can’t even imagine what it is and consequently am not able to comment on that. I suggest there’s no such a thing. 4. “Religious skepticism”? Right now we are discussing absolute adoption of the most barbaric religion by the left. They are so eager to adopt it that the word ‘skepticism’ does not fit here at all. What skepticism do you mean? Besides all the leftist doctrines look exactly as religious dogmas. Primitive ones.
Savvy Kafir says
Anton, Your comments suggest that you are a very narrow-minded person.
Your comments regarding environmental issues are incoherent. I don’t even know what you’re trying to say there. (But I definitely smell bullshit.)
If you don’t know what green energy is, I suggest you Google it.
No such thing as animal welfare? WTF? Are you for real? Empathy for other sentient creatures. How about that?
Yes, religious skepticism. I’m not suggesting that anyone adopt Islam. I’m talking about skepticism towards ALL religious superstition. And I am not one of those progressives who accepts anything as an article of faith — which should have been very clear in my original remarks.
Judith de Graffenried says
Animal welfare is a concern for both the left and the right. The environment is a concern for both the left and the right. Most conservatives I know are very worried about the impact of Monsanto on our food supply. However, we do not accept the *climate change* hoax. Carbon is the basic building block of life. We are carbon based creatures. This theory of man-made climate change is derived from gov funded computer projections, not actual facts. And the purpose of this hoax is to tax, regulate and control the people. Ultimately Big Gov leads to fascism; small gov ensures against fascism.
Agha Ali Arkhan says
Savvy Kafir: Your comments suggest you are leaning towards blaming the West for Islamic atrocities.
Savvy Kafir says
How did you arrive at that conclusion?! I definitely do NOT blame the West for the savagery of Islam. Only Islam is to blame for that. And I consider Western civilization to be FAR superior to anything Islam has ever produced, or ever will. I despise Islam and love Western culture.
Elisha says
“religious skepticism”
LOL!! If you had even an ounce of intellectual honesty, you’d start with the religion of secular humanism. Seeking truth presupposes earnestness, courage and humility.
This, from your grand poobah of atheistic buffoonery:
“The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at the bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good. Nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. DNA neither knows, nor cares. DNA just is, and we dance to its music”. – Richard Dawkins [River Out Of Eden]
If the essence of our physicality “neither knows, nor cares”, explain how your worldview accounts for morality and reason.
Savvy Kafir says
Secular humanism is not a religion. Actual religions deal in the supernatural. They are in the business of selling invisible products to the credulous.
Any philosophy or worldview can be accepted by some people as an unexamined article of faith. That doesn’t make it a religion, in the true sense. You can call a love of baseball a “religion”; but that’s not what we’re talking about here.
Richard Dawkins has described how evolution accounts for a moral sense in humans and other animals. And reason involves applying logic and examining evidence. Religion involves taking “facts” on faith, without real evidence, and in spite of major problems presented by logic.
Before you start “laughing out loud”, Elisha, you might want to examine your own religious beliefs with the same sort of courage and intellectual honesty you seem to think I lack. I once held religious beliefs myself — until I did just that very thing. To do that, you have to be willing to step outside the box and assume that maybe the comfortable religion you’ve been raised to believe in is not actually based upon facts or reality. You have to assume that maybe you don’t actually know the mind of God. And THAT requires humility.
PRCS says
Well put.
PRCS says
That’s “well put”, SK.
Larry says
Green energy is a joke.
Peter Weber says
Secular humanism is a religion. The U.S. Supreme Court cited Secular Humanism as a religion in the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins (367 U.S. 488).
Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism, and others.
Savvy Kafir says
Green energy is the future, Larry. But keep laughing, for as long as you can.
As far as I can tell, the resistance to green energy is motivated by pure evil. (It’s almost enough to make me believe in Satan.) It’s the knee-jerk reaction of short-sighted, right-wing ideologues who instinctively hate anything promoted by progressives. Not very smart.
christianblood says
The satanic Neo-liberalist ideology that is running the West is the true enemy that enabling islamists, destroying Christianity, post-modernizing societies, spreading political-correctness, moral relativism, hollywoodism, lies and all kinds of EVIL and pro-jihadist propaganda!
It has just been reported that one of the girls beheaded by muslim jihadists in Morocco a few days ago was part of the neo-liberal campaign of fighting “Islamophopia” and she was featured in a video urging Norwegians not look at muslims in ‘offensive’ ways!!! Unfortunately, the Truth about Islam has caught up with her as she was butchered by devout muslims screaming allahu akbar! More below:
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201812231070940796-norway-morocco-terrorists-killing-girls/
Anton Filipenkov says
I would argue that the term ‘neoliberal’ is a bad choice. They are ‘leftists’ and their ideology is a ‘left-wing’ ideology. Not “liberal” in any sense. The fact that they call themselves so doesn’t mean a thing.
christianblood says
Anton Filipenkov
Good point!
gravenimage says
There is no doubt that these young women were terribly foolish.
Recall, though, that christianblood’s oft-longed-for solution for this is for Muslims to violently conquer and destroy the West.
Dawne says
Whilst I cannot possibly condone their murder, it would be poetic justice if it were only the biased liberal left (those who cannot see the truth that is staring them in the face), who were murdered by Muslims. Some commentators seem to view these young women as victims of the liberal nonsense being pumped out in schools and universities and by the MSM, but not all young people are stupid and sheep-like enough to fall for the lies.
My own 2 children went through these institutions and it was my son who opened my eyes to what was going on. Maybe the problem isn’t just “liberal left” politics, but that very many people are short sighted and stupid.
Ashley says
+1
I agree, Dawne. Glad your son opened your eyes. Glad that you were willing to have your eyes opened!
Happy holidays!
christianblood says
(…Now they are dead, murdered in a gruesome fashion, and second only to the horror and tragedy of their murders is the great pity of the fact that no one among their peers is likely to learn the true lesson of their deaths. And some among them are certain to repeat their mistake. The Islamic State will be waiting, and can thank the Left for providing its jihadis with a continual supply of victims…)
Very true indeed!
Ric says
These victims of this heinous, Islamic terror are not the first of the leftist boosters of the Cult, Islam; nor will they be the last. It is not unempathetic on my part to say we told you so; the Progressive Left, however, perceive those right of center, conservatism, Judaism, and Christianity the enemy because we dare speak the truth of this Death Cult feining religiosity. It is a hard lesson to learn, but Progressives deem themselves the apex of humanity and are suffering the consequences for their self-righteousness.
James says
Two women should never go camping anywhere in the world alone without a group for protection. They should have stayed home and enjoyed day trips to enjoy the local nature, lakes and forests of Scandinavia. It is quite beautiful there, as anyone knows who has watched films of Scandinavia. Some people never listen, however. I recall trying to tell a German woman about the danger of open borders in the US, and she interrupted several times to change the topic. Some people just do not want to hear anything that disagrees with their beliefs. And it is possibly picked up in school years, before university study, perhaps from the surrounding culture, media and entertainment. Since the conservatives are supposedly evil, one should ignore their warnings about unrestricted immigration and do just the opposite. And of course one can trust people, one just has to demonstrate good will. But some people are beyond responding to good intentions. Like rabid dogs or man-eating tigers, there is no time to soften their hearts before they tear you to pieces.
lebel says
“Two women should never go camping anywhere in the world alone without a group for protection.”
I think this is a crucial point. There are not that many places where it is absolutely safe for two women alone to go camping.
Prabh says
The death of these Nordic women is an immense loss for the world.
It is the sacred responsibility of the Soldiers of Odin to protect the Daughters, Sisters, Wives and Mothers and Friends belonging to Odin’s community.
Prabh
Savvy Kafir says
True. But they’re in FAR more danger in the Muslim world, among men who have been taught to despise them and use them any way they want.
Anjuli Pandavar says
…*and* have only ever known sexually-repressed conditions, *never* had an actual conversation with a woman, have a totally warped notion of what a woman is.
I’m not sure whether anyone’s made the other point yet. These murders took place in the very country where a mere 10 days earlier, the entire world was invited — no, expected! — to commit to throwing its borders open to anyone, including those, *especially* those, bearing the murderous creed that claimed these women’s lives.
I’m glad Robert wrote with the force that he did.
lebel says
I would say it depends on the country. You are probably safer in a place like Indonesia or Kazakhstan then in South America for instance.
It also depends what we’re talking about. Robbery? I would say the Muslim world in many parts is quite safe. Rape or sexual harassment? I would say some countries are clearly more dangerous for women although here too you could make a case for some non-Muslim countries in Africa and South America.
somehistory says
Anjuli,
I thought about that meeting in the same area as the girls were later slaughtered. That meeting might have added to the girls’ idea that it would be safe and their preps for being safe were enough.
It is quite possible that if they had not been arrested for murdering these young women, they could “migrate” to one of the countries that signed the U.N. pact and did their murdering elsewhere. Their “brothers’ sill can.
Elisha says
“But they’re in FAR more danger in the Muslim world”
200 MILLION+ human deaths in LESS than the last 100 years due to secular humanism in non muslim states. Someday you’ll learn to think …
gravenimage says
Of course, lebel does not mention that in much of Dar-al-Islam is hazardous to report rape, lest the victim wants to end up in jail or even stoned to death.
In any case, the idea that one is as likely to be beheaded anywhere in the world as in Dar-al-Islam is clearly ludicrous.
Carolyne says
When I first read this story I thought “what fools to go camping in a Muslim country with only two of them.”. But I remembered that occasionally someone is harmed while hiking on the Appalachian Trail. But never for religious purposes. That is the difference. No right thinking person would believe that their “God” commands this.
Jean Terry says
Boy is that the truth. The left does not see the world as it is. It has always been sad to me that the “women’s libbers” never stand up for the abused Muslim women of the world. I wonder if these people and other liberal professors, ,etc., don’t realize that if Muslims took over they would be one of the first to go.
PRCS says
So many “women’s libbers” show up at “World Hijab Day” events.
Last year, in particular, while Iranian women were being arrested and imprisoned for casting theirs aside.
lebel says
“Jespersen and Ueland no doubt also learned that Islam is a religion of peace, and that only racist, bigoted “Islamophobes” think otherwise. So why should they have had any reason to be concerned about hiking in a Muslim country such as Morocco?”
Although it is clear that this disgusting crime is clearly linked with Islam, we have to be a bit more nuanced about our analysis of Morocco.
1. More than 12 Million tourists visit Morocco every year. This was an ISIS attack. It can happen anywhere unfortunately. It could have happened in the capital, Rabat or in Strasbourg, France.
2. Lots of people go hiking in the Atlas every year and nothing happens to them despite being surrounded by Muslims.
3. If we adopt the jihadwatch mindset we would only travel to Muslim-free countries and would be scared of the guy who works at the neighborhood 7-11.
One last point, even for monsters like ISIS, this seems difficult to justify on “Islamic” grounds. Killing unarmed women seems a stretch even for that ideology.
mortimer says
lebel, your jihadist FRIENDS ARE EVERYWHERE. MAYBE YOU ARE HIDING SOME IN YOUR HOME.
Perhaps, you should be under surveillance.
Anwar Awlaki was DENOUNCING JIHADISTS in public, but TRAINING JIHADISTS IN SECRET.
Just like you, huh?
lebel says
Unmasked by Mortimer!
Looks like I need to work on my taqqiya skills! what tipped you off? my disgusting Muslim nature? my pathetic kitman?
gravenimage says
Probably lebel’s appalling posting history, where he has never done any thing but whitewash Islam and sneer at anyone who opposes violent Jihad.
mortimer says
lebel, “TURHIBUNNA” … terrorize them … Koran 8.60
That’s your DIVINE COMMAND for the day, lebel. Practice that or you a ‘hypocrite’.
lebel, Islam turns everyone into a liar. You are a perfect example.
Do you think you have an effect on this well-informed group? You are lying to yourself. We read you, lebel.
gravenimage says
The appalling lebel is demanding that we be more “nuanced” in our appraisal of Muslims beheading us.
More:
This was an ISIS attack. It can happen anywhere unfortunately. It could have happened in the capital, Rabat or in Strasbourg, France.
……………………………
The implication that actual French people are waging Jihad in Strasbourg is, of course, utterly false. Cherif Chakatt, who murdered people a few days ago at a Christmas market in Strasbourg, was himself Muslim and acting in the name of Islam.
I suppose lebel hopes we don’t know this.
WPM says
Label is right these things happen everywhere Jihad attacks are happening in France ,Germany, America , Africa ,Asia ,all in the name of Allah behaving like Mohammed. Like the elderly Priest who had his throat slit last year saying mass in a small French town, or the Christian girls kidnapped by Moslems “rebels’ in Africa .Bombs, rapes, murders label excuse is other people who are non-Moslem do it ,the only problem is those people are not doing it for or in their name of their religion or God. It is not” part and parcel” of there collective religious doctrine to rape murder, steal ,from unbelievers .
Westman says
Tourists are nuanced about religion-justified murder? The Tunisian tourist industry tells a different tale after the 2015 beach massacre. Let’s not kid ourselves about Islam killing tourism wherever it has significant numbers.
Carol the 1st says
Lebel writes:
“Although it is clear that this disgusting crime is clearly linked with Islam, we have to be a bit more nuanced about our analysis of Morocco.”
A Moroccan, muslim poster Hicham M. recently posted:
“I really feel ashamed of myself for sharing the same citizenship with those psychopaths.”
How distressing for Lebel to see a muslim smear Morocco willy nilly in this way. Good thing we have Lebel to point out some of the “nuances” to a guy like Hicham.
Westman says
One can remember that Geert Wilders was prosecuted for saying the Netherlands needs less Moroccans. Will his government get the message from this gruesome killing of unbelievers? Not likely. As they take their last violence-shortened breath they will be saying, “We can do this”.
Leftism is a religion, a meme earworm, much like Islam; a faulty meme permitted by isolated wealth, privilege, and using other people’s money which only wanes during war in the homeland. Perhaps it is the core component in the destruction of societies.
Jihad3tracker says
Many of us have some extra time on this long Christmas Eve & Day, so please use a slice of that for our own anti-Jihad. Robert has written here a superb indictment of leftist complicity by its ceaseless propaganda spreading Fake Fantasy Islam. So notify the peddlers who traffick in such lies. No matter where we live around the planet, please find email paths to elected officials in your countries who are too cowardly for honesty regarding the death-loving cult of Allah. SEND THEM A SHREDDING TO CONSIDER. Jihad Watch readers likely reside in the voting districts of every U.S. senator and congressperson. And a similar widespread situation applies for other regions. But — very crucial — make the subject box of the email message NEUTRAL, not hostile, so it will actually be opened.
Jaladhi says
It is plain and simple – stop visiting all Islamic countries. Period. There is lot of beautiful world outside of these countries and therefore leave these countries for Muslims alone to visit!
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. Muslim countries are too dangerous for infidels; and why would you want to give them your tourist dollars/ Euros? I try not to do any business with Muslims or Muslim nations. Islam is the enemy; ergo Muslims are the enemy — all of them, to one degree or another.
Jean Terry says
It hurts me to think of what these poor young girls went through. I pray God brought them home to heaven.
somehistory says
Anytime someone lies, and another acts on that lie, the liar bears some responsibility for whatever happens to the one acting on the lie. Many hands are guilty.
Reportedly, there have been many more arrested for what was done to these two young women.
And, Ms. Geller has two news stories coming from Denmark. One concerns the brutal beating of an elderly woman by a mob of “migrants”…kicking her in the face, throwing her to the ground and beating and kicking her while she is down. The video is very difficult to watch.
The other concerns a school that stopped the singing of a national song…about a beautiful blond girl…because one “foreign teacher” objected. However, so much opposition was raised…and the song was sung by others who protested against the banning by the school. Evidently, the song represents the “identity” of Denmark and its culture.
Now, with these things going on in Denmark, without the lies being told, these two women and their families would, in all probability, have been well-informed about the dangers from moslims in other, moslim -dominated, countries.
Rarely says
Apparently there were over 10 million tourists to Morocco last year making it the top tourist destination in Africa. Most were Europeans. Camping and hiking are among the most popular activities for tourists. It is Morocco’s 2nd largest industry and, as such, its safety is of paramount importance to the government and tourist safety would be a major priority.
Have there been other such incidents in Morocco that would raies an alert or did the murdered girls have reason to believe they would be as safe as if camping in Europe.
That being said, I believe it to be very unwise for two young women to camp ANYWHERE unless it is in a very busy campground. Even then…
Must we avoid Morocco? What about Paris? London? New York? Detroit? If so, isn’t that much like surrendering to Islamic terror?
gravenimage says
Of course, the implication that there have been no other Jihad terror attacks in Morocco is quite false:
“Morocco: Muslims hack tourists with knives at holiday destination”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/morocco-muslims-hack-tourists-with-knives-at-holiday-destination
“Jihad bomb murders 14 in Marrakesh cafe”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/jihad-bomb-murders-14-in-marrakesh-cafe
There are, of course, other grim stories.
Rarely says
True.
Paris has had a lot of incidents too. Do we all then avoid Paris?
London? Manchester? Boston? Los Angeles?
eduardo odraude says
None of the places you name are as risky as Morocco for two young girls alone. However, those girls would be ill-advised to go alone into some of the Paris suburbs, certain neighborhoods in Sweden and so on, parts of Amsterdam, Belgium, and other places.
eduardo odraude says
None of the places you name are as risky as Morocco for two young girls alone. However, those girls would be ill-advised to go alone into some of the Paris suburbs, certain neighborhoods in Sweden and so on, parts of Amsterdam, Belgium, and other places.
gravenimage says
Of course, Paris, London, and Manchester are also violent in large part due to ravening Muslims.
Kepha says
Speaking as an American, I regret that a lot of our cities are not really safe, and haven’t been since the 1960’s–and not necessarily because of Muslims. You stand a far better chance of witnessing firearm violence in a major urban area with strict gun control laws than you would’ve had you lived in Dodge City back in the heyday of the great cattle drives.
Carolyne says
I’ve been to Morocco several times and the people were friendly enough. But the aggressive children selling umbrellas in the markets is distressing. But I learned how to deal with them. It is the same method I use in Walmart against those fat people trying to run you down with those electric carts. Do not make eye contact. They part as did the Red Sea.
Carolyne says
I’ve been to Morocco several times and the people were friendly enough. But the aggressive children selling umbrellas in the markets is distressing. But I learned how to deal with them. It is the same method I use in Walmart against those fat people trying to run you down with those electric carts. Do not make eye contact. They part as did the Red Sea.
thebigW says
that would be the main reason why the Muslim government of Morocco does its due diligence at all to arrest the perps, because it might hurt the tourist kuffar jizya $$$$ flowing in. but it won’t hurt tourism much I bet, it might even cause a spike in Westerners who wanna show how unracist they are by going there.
Charles Engelson says
“I would say it depends on the country. You are probably safer in a place like Indonesia or Kazakhstan then in South America for instance.
It also depends what we’re talking about. Robbery? I would say the Muslim world in many parts is quite safe. Rape or sexual harassment? I would say some countries are clearly more dangerous for women although here too you could make a case for some non-Muslim countries in Africa and South America.”
A lot of “I would say” and a bit of “probably” here, Lebel. And on the basis of your own experience, what can you tell us? All a bit vague and impressionistic, isn’t it?
eduardo odraude says
Astonishing that two young girls would go alone into the mountains of Morocco. How uninformed about Islamic mores does one have to be to do such a thing? And both blond! Anyone who has been paying attention knows that many Muslims in North Africa tend to go even more insane than usual when blonds are involved.
Sylvia says
According to several news articles their bodies were discovered by guess Who. Another two female hikers.
infidel says
I wonder what these naive Lefty girls did in their last moments, when sure death was staring at their face. They sure must have begged and pleaded that they actually love Islam and are all for Islamic immigration and all that. They would have screamed for mercy from these animals….. Did regret touch their heart as to how wrong they were all this time in blindly supporting Islam, appeasing Islam.. that one would never know…
And were they raped MULTIPLE TIMES by these animals before they were done in… I’M SURE AS HELL!!!!
Mirren10 says
Of course we will never know what went through the minds of these two tragically foolish young women before they were so viciously murdered, but if comparative cases are anything to go by, they may well have been thinking ”this is not the real islam”, ”not all muslims do this”, ”evil Israel and the US are responsible, not muslims”, ”well, at least we were never racist/islamophobic” etc etc.
I looked at the fb ‘memorial to one of them; not one mention of how they were murdered, and by whom. **Absolutely nothing** will teach some people.
Daniel Silvan says
It’s difficult to feel sorry for people who are complicit in their own deaths, either through stupidity or willful ignorance.
Norman Moffatt says
You can just hear the deniers in the countries where these two women came from:
1. He/they weren’t really Muslim
2. This has nothing to do with Islam and they do not represent Islam
3. Claim to be the religion of peace
4. Claim it’s blow back due to the west being in the Mideast then blame western foreign policy.
5. Claim the guys are mentally ill
6. Claim the guys was on drugs. they wasn’t a real Muslim.
7. Say it is a “lone wolf attack”
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: “universities everywhere else in the Western world with moral relativism and contemptuous of absolutes, that there is no dispute between people that can’t be settled by mutually respectful “dialogue”
Some people are so scared of losing that they don’t even try to win any more:
“If I don’t try to win, then I can’t lose!”
So they pretend that compromising their own integrity isn’t mere cowardly Submission to their own fears, but a virtue!
They pretend they meant to do that – that compromising, negotiating away their own and others’ rights to extortionists, to giving in and going along with criminal lies to get along with the other lying criminals, to settling in stead of winning, and to the pretense that there are no real criminal aggressors, but only equally helpless fellow victims, is only being reasonable, shrewd, canny, wise and realistic – and further, that those people who dare to resist extortionists are really only being mean to those same criminally aggressive predatory equally helpless fellow victims who always deserve support.
Prabh says
Authentic Buddhistique religion is NOT “atheistic” – Dr. Elst has penned a superb article upon Gautam Siddharth the “Buddha” – “Buddha, every inch the Hindu” – another online article written by a person of Bharat origin has stated that Westerners (jews/xtians/etc) who are not native speakers of Sanskritic languages such as GurmukhiPanjabi,Hindi, Bengali etc. cannot even pronounce word “Buddha” correctly – please kindly do not ever regard religion of Gautam Buddha to be atheistic – distant ancestors of mine were practicing Gautam Buddha’s religion – none of my ancestors were inflicted with hubris/false pride to the point of rejecting existence of The Ultimate Power and Divine Being (Bhagwan aka “God”). If you cannot even pronounce title of Gautam correctly (Buddha) don’t dare to include His religion as atheistic – religion implies worship – no such thing as ‘atheistic’ religion. Furthermore, over at Hindu Human Rights, a superb article has been authored by Ranvir Singh who correctly claims that atheisim is “Xtianity’s Siamese twin”.
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Let us enjoy bliss of Winter Season – the wondrous winter season is the reason for the season! Daylight sunshine hours gradually will increase! Looking forward to Lohri&Mayday! (Mayday festival not originally about workers but about romance between Heroic Youth and beautiful Maiden & Lohri is celebration of all the heroes who have taken birth in the previous 12 months. Long ago Divali (Deepavali) was celebrated when day was shortest in year.)
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Moslems committed worst atrocities against Bharat di Janata on the shortest day of the year according to Nanakshahi calendar – Martyrdom day Of Guru Govind Singh Sahib ji’s youngest sons. For this unforgiveable and unforgettable atrocity (Zulam) alone, there ought to be exactly zero (o) moslems on the face of the planet. Sympathizers of Moslems are worse than moslems themselves and I have absolutely nothing but abject contempt for sympathizers of islamojihadists. Remember, moderates cheer when extremist moslems attack nonMoslems. Why is any genocidal slave creed tolerated in the space age? Note: Vikrami Calendar is more accurate as Nanakshahi calendar is purely solar calendar whereas Vikrami is solar-lunar calendar and much more astronomically accurate. Martyrdom dates and celebratory holidays commemorated on different dates according to Vikrami Calendar.)
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We need a new breed of heroic warrior sage soldiers (sant-sipahi) who will be genuine DharmFauji – protectors of Dharmic Freedoms, ex. freedom to be creator or objective and regenerate Art, freedom to excel at sports competitions, freedom to study Science (torturing animals is not science) and freedom to create a world that is progressing towards Goodness, Light and Truth (Actual Beauty – a birthright privilege that cannot be had at the plastic/cosmetic surgeon’s office) plus an intelligent world that understands men and women are equal yet different.
We need to create a world that understands we are part of Nature and animals must be allowed to live out their full life span – symbiotic harmony – kith, kin, kine – kindness to Mother Cow and Father Buffalo and Child (kid) Goat – animals can take care of themselves and know how to die – let animals live out their entire lifespan. Caste system provides natural protection – Caste is Commonwealth – sharing and caring amongst all peoples plus protection of Divine Lineages. Yogic Truths need no defense – still it is important to be united to make sure dystopian malthusian global caliphate is NEVER established. World is part of Countless Multiverses – Science validates Hinduism (&related creeds) – to quote HinduHumanRights,info – we need Dharma not Law. Sharia Law, Noahide Law, Common Law of predatory male and woeman ‘judges’ and corrupted Law of Manu exacerbates injustice – Dharmic Law brings about a truly Just Society.
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UNCLE VLADDI says
Buddhism is nihilism: “Life sucks, so ignore it and YOU’LL go away!”
Whee.
Prabh108 says
u r wrong uncle – u r wrong Uncle Vlad ji – above zero point (Nirvana) commence the Realms of Eternality & Bliss. There is something delightfully blissful beyond the fourth state of Turiya, discussed by Ouspensky and others.
**Followers of Gautam the Buddha are permitted judicious use of Force to prevent atrocities committed by islam or anyone else.
(self-defense)
Best policy is to avoid bad peoples – keep close only to Good Persons and Avoid bad people.
Bad unfunny Satirist Trevor Noah expressed surprise and astonishment that Buddhist are using force in Burma (burma is variation of Brahma)-
T. Noah has authored book entitled “Born a crime” shouldn’t Trevor Noah be in prison instead of appearing on TV?
“lock him up” ?
Followers of Gautam Buddh have just as much Natural Right to exist and thrive as practitioners of any other creed.
Some Buddhist erroneously state woman must take rebirth as man in order to be fully Enlightened, Free and Liberated – this is factually incorrect and completely wrong – chinese origin peoples have really ruined the Great Traditions of Gautam Buddh who was by birth a member of the Saka Iranian-Persian (ScythianArya) tribe.
It seems to me when people attempt to follow a creed created by peoples belonging to vastly different tribes/lineages all seems to be lost due to irreconcilable cultural differences.
Chinese peoples ought to stick to Tao and Confucius etc. because Far Eastern peoples have destroyed sanctity of Gautam’s Timeless Teachings.
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Ade Fegan says
Appeasement FAIL
Preston S. Brooks says
You can find any number of scapegoats for the the death of these two beautiful young women. However, the hard cold truth of the matter is, at 24 and 28, they were both too old to be backpacking across Morocco like children. Both of these women should have been married with children of their own already. In a sane and Christian society, they would have been at home with their husbands and small children and not wandering dangerous backwaters of the Muslim Ummah.
Christopher says
“It also depends what we’re talking about. Robbery? I would say the Muslim world in many parts is quite safe.”
Really, @Lebel, thst is not true at all.
Do you know how many non muslims are killed daily in Northern Nigeria, the most populous black nation on earth today?
Have you forgotten that hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Pakistan are asking for the head of the woman, that their own supreme court declared innocent and acqiited?
Do you know any Muslim country that is safe for such women to go bike hiking? Please tell us. Even in the United Arab Emirates, if their husbands do not go with them, and they are found outside the main cities, they will be assaulted and arrested if not killed. In other words, it is an abomination, or HARAM, for single ladies to go bike hiking in ANY Muslim nation.
Tore Christiansen says
Being a Norwegian myself, my parents always told us to ´turn the other cheek´ and always first try the good way. Unfortunately, they´d never played ´Russian Roulette´ with Muslim migrants forcing their way into our country who has the ultimate opposite view, show an aggressive, violent behaviour first, to scare the enemy into submission. If that does not work, then lie, and pretend you are agreeable until more of your people arrive to give you added strength. Just because they carry European dress and have a mobile, does not bring them into our century. They have a completely diverse thinking-set to ours. BEWARE!! DO NOT PLAY RUSSIAN ROULETTE WITH ANY OF THESE PEOPLE.
Nijaz says
I doubt that it has anything to do with Islam. I doubt that killers were muslims really.
But there is one sure way to find out. Muslims, even Islamic State, have order in Qur’an to never steal.
Punishment for stealing is cutting hands. They would rather kill than steal.
So if they really did not steal anything of those girls after they killed them, they may be real muslims.
I am just saying, may be, not for sure. But for sure if they stolen anything, they are not muslims.
Even Islamic State would cut their hands if they could, if they hear for stealing.
Maybe that would be good punishment for these psychos.
ann says
I read that none of the girls’ property had been stolen.
Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says
It’s a harsh opinion to hold but I don’t understand anyone who goes off holidaying in Islamic territory, and if, after talking to me about it, you still do, I won’t be crying at your demise.
It’s isn’t the fault of educators although they’re far from innocent with their ignorant dull intellectual faculties merely orbiting political dogma as doomed as Muhammad’s, it’s parents and the students with their online existence and passive mental activity, no one bloody thinks anymore, not in the eminent primitive sense.
Islam by default logic is a lie, the greatest unholy lie ever told.
Charles Carter says
I have to wonder if someone made a translation error when translating the word “dialogue” from Arabic to English. Leftists are Constantine telling us that we need to have a dialogue with the more primitive societies, meanwhile the corpses of enlightened travelers are piling up. The author is correct.
In my not so humble opinion, these barbarians did what barbarians do. As a rule, I avoid snakes. I am aware of their nature. No one ever said that I am a bigot because some snakes may not be poisonous. These girls sadly had been taught that all people are good. All we need is dialogue. I blame the out of touch elitist jackasses who have seized control of the media, academia, and many aspects of the government.
It would please me to see a few of our so called western leaders take some vacation time and go hiking in Morocco.