“The Muslim Council of Scotland and the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities said they were standing together against antisemitism and Islamophobia.” The two terms are not similar. Islamophobia is a charge designed to restrict criticism of Islam, even political Islam and Sharia oppression. It is an Organization of Islamic Cooperation initiative to erode free speech. An Islamic educational guide for a district school board in Toronto defined “Islamophobia” as “fear, prejudice, hatred or dislike directed against Islam or Muslims, or towards Islamic politics or culture.” This definition has no place is any democracy, but is perfectly suitable for Islamic states where laws punishing those who offend Islam are enforced. Antisemitism, on the other hand, is hatred and violence directed against Jews solely because they are Jews. It is a gross inaccuracy to equate the two.
The Scottish Council of Jewish Communities is doing itself no favors by “standing together” with the Muslim Council of Scotland. It is being used in the jihad imperative against Israel (and against the infidel): eight months ago, the Muslim Council of Scotland (MCS) withdrew from an anti-racism march because of its inclusion of a pro-Israel group. The MCS called the Jewish group “apologists for apartheid and racism.”
The Vice-Convenor of the MCS, Azzam Muhammad, attended the fourth Global Convention of Solidarity with Palestine in Beirut. At that conference, “antisemite Gilad Atzmon was presented with an award, while Dovid Weiss, of the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta sect, gave a gift to Sheikh Naim Qassem, Deputy Secretary General of Hezbollah, to be passed on to Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader.”
The Muslim Council of Scotland and the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities will now be working together, and will be “setting up a ‘ faith-specific social care service.’” This is very useful for the MCS’ image.
Also, these joint collaborations against “Islamophobia” and antisemitism make no sense. There is no Western society that is antagonistic against Muslims because of their faith. If there is any mistrust of Muslims, it comes from jihad attacks against innocent people and the command within the Islamic faith to conquer the House of War. Western societies are pluralistic and accepting. It is Islamic societies that are not.
“Jewish and Muslim leaders in Scotland agree to expand cooperation,” Jewish News, November 30, 2018:
Jewish and Muslim community leaders in Scotland have agreed a set of concrete steps that will greatly expand cooperation between the two faith communities, including the set-up of “a faith-specific social care service”.
The Muslim Council of Scotland (MCC) and the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities (SCoJeC) said they were “standing together” against antisemitism and Islamophobia, as they also paved the way for a Muslim-Jewish Women’s Network
The first-of-its-kind intervention comes as the Scottish government reviews hate crime legislation north of the border, with Jewish leaders warning the issue is not confined to just one race or religion.
“History has taught us that racism and religious hatred might start by targeting a single community, but it never ends there,” said SCoJeC director Ephraim Borowski.
“That is why it is in the interests of us all to stand shoulder to shoulder to demonstrate that ‘othering,’ discrimination, and hatred are never acceptable.”
Figures published in May show there were more than 5,700 hate crimes registered in Scotland last year, and leaders of the two communities warned that it was hate that led to attacks on a Pittsburgh synagogue and on Finsbury Park Mosque.
Glasgow politician Anas Sarwar said: “We can’t leave the fight against antisemitism to the Jewish community, and we can’t leave the fight against Islamophobia to the Muslim community. This is a collective fight for all of us.”
christianblood says
Jewish groups in the West are by far leftist liberals that are very eager to work with islamist groups while being very suspicious and somewhat hostile to anything Christian!
Rarely says
What makes you think Jewish groups, or Jews in general, are “very suspicious and somewhat hostile to anything Christian”? Total hogwash.
Frank Anderson says
Rarely, please know that I am adopted and claim many mothers by choice. One of them who died 3 weeks after my surgery was Jewish. As a consequence of her friendship I spent over 20 years among the local Jewish community. In that time the only view for which I saw complete hatred and disdain was any view contrary to the “islam is a religion of peace” lie. The meetings of the Christian Jewish dialog were most cordial, courteous and respectful to everyone, until it became the Muslim, Christian, Jewish trialog. Then everyone had to be on guard to avoid offending the muslims.
christianblood says
Frank Anderson posted
(…Rarely, please know that I am adopted and claim many mothers by choice. One of them who died 3 weeks after my surgery was Jewish. As a consequence of her friendship I spent over 20 years among the local Jewish community. In that time the only view for which I saw complete hatred and disdain was any view contrary to the “islam is a religion of peace” lie…)
You respectfully and wisely stated your facts, Frank Anderson!
Many indeed share your experience but the uninformed here will now be on the edge of chairs to calling you an ‘anti-semite’! Hahaha!
Frank Anderson says
C.B. that is their problem and lack of information, not mine. “You shall know the truth; and the truth shall set you free.” (Bible) “But first it (the truth) will make you miserable.” (Thomas Jefferson). Ask Neville Chamberlain who postponed facing the truth and lived lies until there was no room to hide any longer how miserable it is to be proven in the wide-open public that he was a fool. I do not look forward to seeing the approximately 80 percent of US Jews who refuse to see the truth learn the hard way; nor do I wish to be among them when they do. My support and friendship for Israel and Judaism continues in spite of the fools I have encountered. They follow a different teaching. I follow mine.
christianblood says
Frank Anderson posted
(…C.B. that is their problem and lack of information, not mine. “You shall know the truth; and the truth shall set you free.” (Bible) “But first it (the truth) will make you miserable…)
Totally agree, Frank!
Many blessings!
allahscum says
I agree with you. These Jews are a fake, anti Israel idiots. Mostly I hear about Jews and Christians banding together against the supremacist cult of Islam.
Rarely says
“fake, anti Israel idiots” You have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about.
gravenimage says
It depends, thebigW–if they are supporting “Palestinians” attacking Israel and murdering Jews, I agree. If they are naifs who think that the “two state solution” will fix everything, then they are clueless but not actively supporting evil.
I first heard about the “two state solution” when I was a teenager, from a student editor of a Jewish newspaper who was a huge supporter of Israel and who had lived there herself.
I had never heard of this before, and thought it sounded great! I wanted to see the violence against Israel end and thought this would work.
This was the late ’70s. and I had no understanding of Jihad, and did not understand that Muslims planned to wipe out Israel entirely.
There is less excuse, of course, at this late date–as well as for people who are old enough to vote…
Andy says
‘They Completely Lost Their Minds’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2nz6MchEBY
Indiana Tom says
Jewish groups in the West are by far leftist liberals that are very eager to work with islamist groups while being very suspicious and somewhat hostile to anything Christian!
At least some of the ones I have actually been around were pretty hostile to Christianity and loved their little cliques.
Some of the Jews I have been around were just normal Joes as well.
I think the Jews in this story are going to be dancing with the Devil in the pale moonlight.
christianblood says
Indiana Tom posted
(..At least some of the ones I have actually been around were pretty hostile to Christianity and loved their little cliques..)
You are right, Indiana! almost all liberal Jews are extremely anti-Christian, many Orthodox Jews are also but are polite and not as outrageous as the liberal ones!
Rarely says
What a load of garbage .. from both of you.
gravenimage says
There is nothing antisemitic in what Frank Anderson said. christianblood is rather a different matter.
Carol the 1st says
Christianblood seems to have ignored one of Franks’s views which was that:
“The meetings of the Christian Jewish dialog were most cordial, courteous and respectful to everyone, until it became the Muslim, Christian, Jewish trialog. Then everyone had to be on guard to avoid offending the muslims.
Frank Anderson says
“Deliberate ignorance constitutes knowledge of the truth.” So wrote the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Wyle v. R.J.Reynolds, 709 F.2d 585 (9th Cir. 1983). To be ordained as a Rabbi one must have a 5 year educational program after a Bachelor’s degree. That’s 2 more years than a PhD and 1 more than a ThD. Included in that study is one or more courses on islam, apparently conducted by a muslim professor. From what I have seen in person, there is little to no truth being taught. Again from what I have seen, the majority does not question what it is told, contrary to the wisest teachings of mental health I have seen in my life.
All of the work done for Holocaust memorials and remembrance is lost. “There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see.” “Those who cannot remember the lessons of the past are condemned to repeat them.” Jorge Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905). A few hours of reading the Koran could make a world of difference in the future;
mortimer says
In “The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise”, Dario Fernández-Morera conclusively showed that THE MYTH OF AN ANDALUSIAN PARADISE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY HISTORICAL FACTS. It was instead an ANDALUSIAN PURGATORY and CHAMBER OF HORRORS and EXTERMINATION.
– In 1066, there took place the first big pogrom against Jews in Europe, more than 4 000 Jews – including children and women were killed in one day. In Islamic Spain the Jewish population had to wear clothes which clearly separated them from a Muslim population.
-Thanks to Ibn Rushd, a famous master of Islamic law, who lived in Islamic Spain we know this was according to Islamic law completely legal.
“(Islamic) scholars agree that all polytheists should be fought. This is founded on [K. 8:39]: “Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is entirely Allah’s.”
“All Muslims agree that the aim of warfare against the People of the Book, with the exception of those belonging to the Quraysh-tribe and Arab Christians, is twofold: either conversion to Islam, or payment of poll-tax (djizyah).”
“Damage inflicted upon the enemy may consist in damage to his property, injury to his person or violation of his personal liberty, i.e., that he is made a slave and is appropriated. This may be done, according to the Consensus (idjma) to all polytheists: men, women, young and old, important and unimportant.”
Maimonides who lived in Islamic Spain (also in Morocco and Egypt) wrote about life in Spain with Muslims:
“Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase and hate us as much as they did, although we were dishonored by them beyond human endurance, and had to put up with their fabrications. Similarly our sages instructed us to bear the prevarications and preposterousness of Ishmael in silence. We have acquiesced, both old and young, to inure ourselves to humiliation. All this notwithstanding, we do not escape this continued maltreatment which well nigh curses us. No matter how much we suffer and elect to remain at peace with them, they stir up strife and sedition.”
– Bernard Lewis, a professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, probably one of the most known western Orientalists has written about Islamic Spain.
“The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam.”
(Bernard Lewis, “The Pro-Islamic Jews,” Judaism (Fall 1968), 401.)
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, when I tried to discuss this with a Rabbi, whose services I attended almost weekly for about 20 years, he exploded. I could not find a good reason to attend his retirement party when he left town to return to his home in California. When I dared to discuss this in a conservative Torah study, the Rabbi asked me to leave. He did not wish to offend nuns who were visiting. My admiration for Judaism and its wisdom and teachings is not returned. Time to move on. There are still some people who can listen and think.
christianblood says
More wise words from Frank Anderson:
(…Mortimer, when I tried to discuss this with a Rabbi, whose services I attended almost weekly for about 20 years, he exploded. I could not find a good reason to attend his retirement party when he left town to return to his home in California. When I dared to discuss this in a conservative Torah study, the Rabbi asked me to leave. He did not wish to offend nuns who were visiting. My admiration for Judaism and its wisdom and teachings is not returned. Time to move on…)
I wish many would learn from your experience and not spend 20 years in a place where the Truth is not tolerated!
Many blessings to you!
Frank Anderson says
C.B. God for reasons totally unknown to me, has blessed me first by letting me fight with Him for 7 years until he finally said enough fighting and allowed me to see enough that He exists and cares. He gave me a family totally by choice and friends who have lasted far longer than the “official” birth and adopted families who abandoned me when I was no longer convenient. He helped me survive losses and challenges that I believe would destroy many people, which enables me to understand and help others through their problems. To top it off He decided to allow me to survive being dead for about 2 hours of surgery to remind me of His Control and wish that I live. I AM blessed with every breath as long as God sees it to be His wish. There is still good for me to do. The God of Jews and Christians, The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Jesus, is the God of Life and Freedom, not the god of death, slavery and evil.
James Lincoln says
Frank Anderson,
I have read all of your postings in Jihad Watch since I started following it approximately 3 years ago.
You always bring great wisdom to the website.
Much thanks, and may God bless.
Frank Anderson says
J.L. Thank you. I share frequently the teaching that every good deed is automatically at least 3. It is of course a good deed for the person who receives it. It is also a good deed for the person who does it. And it is a good deed to the Glory of the God who makes All things possible.
As long as I can be a reasonably harmonious participant in this community and discussion, I will. This is not the time for spreading confusion and indecision if we are to pass to the future things that would make us ashamed if we could know.
Another Jewish teaching: It takes 70 years for a walnut tree to start bearing nuts. Grandson asks grandfather why he is planting trees. So your grandson can enjoy the walnuts! We are steward, trustee, of our lives and all we control. Our duty is to handle that trust responsibly so that the person (God) who places control in us is served. I’m trying to light a few candles, as Catholics teach, in hope that others will light some too, for a brighter world and future.
christianblood says
Frank Anderson posted
(…God for reasons totally unknown to me, has blessed me first by letting me fight with Him for 7 years until he finally said enough fighting and allowed me to see enough that He exists and cares…)
God has indeed blessed you with His knowledge and Light which is the Christ Himself “…In whom are hidden all the TREASURES of WISDOM and knowledge…” Col 2:3
gravenimage says
Agreed, James.
Mac-101 says
Graven, Frank has stated my point much better than I can. If we have any hope of saving Western Civilization from Isalm and the Globalist the sheeple need awaken, Jews and Gentiles. It appears that the majority of BOTH are asleep.
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The reason I point to Jews on this site is that they have been at the forefront of Islamic Terrorism for decades now and if awakened can hopefully awaken the rest of us.
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Please read my comment on the above article:
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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-new-york-times-celebrates-muhammad-as-paragon-of-compassion#comment-2024663
Frank Anderson says
Mac,
1. I wish you had used the word “target” instead of “forefront” for clarity.
2. If you really want to make a Suicidal Liberal Jew (their own term) furious, question his education (the majority have some graduate or professional degree) by disagreeing with his Neville Chamberlain “religion of peace” delusion. From my experience from 2008 when I started asking questions to 2015 when it was clear those questions were not welcome, they do not want to learn.
On page 711 of the Gates of Prayer, the worship guide in use when I first came to Jewish services, is a meditation called Doubt. How do I remember such a detail? Because it has inspired me every day since. The quick summary of the one page meditation is to ask all questions repeatedly because we will never find THE answer in this life. The truth never has any fear of questions. But each time the question is asked the tarnish of error and deception is reduced, bringing the truth closer. I can see only one conclusion-those who stop asking questions have decided to stop following the wisdom that has kept Judaism alive 3700 years and through approximately 19 failed civilizations. See, Jews, God and History by Rabbi Max I. Dimont.
Telling the truth and honestly reporting observations is not anti-Semitic. On the contrary, I express my wish for Judaism to continue and prosper.
Mac-101 says
Frank, Thank you, TARGET is a much better word. Tryin to awaken the sheeple is NOT hatin the Sheeple. I care not about what Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Buddhist, Hindus, Zoroastrians or whatever believe. They ALL have the Golden Rule built into them. Once we cross da River we can see who is right.
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Muslims are commanded to KILL us. I got a problem with dat!
Frank Anderson says
Mac, we share some concept of love. In my case (I would not dare to speak for yours) it is from my view of God resulting from the 7 years of questioning that He tolerated, permitted and encouraged through my Uncle (who according to some views might have been an angel). I learned that the patience of love is part, but not all of the commitment that holds civilization together and promotes progress. Wealth is not created, but merely transferred by theft.
A commitment of love is not complete until there is a commitment to protect, which you and I have carried out many ways in our lives. I cannot protect the people I love by abandoning them or allowing myself to be killed. So the problem is not simple and offers no simple solutions, especially when substantial parts are not just uncooperative, but actively resisting. I refuse to either waste my time on futile efforts, or to quit trying to find ways to win.
gravenimage says
Yes–both Jews *and* Gentiles need to wake up to the threat of Islam.
Mac-101 says
Frank, one would think you were a LAUYER da way you write and think so effectively. LOL!
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I will have to differ from you on Wealth. Wealth is initially created by workin the raw materials G-d gave us on this Earth and creating something useful out of it. However most extensive wealth is accumulated by force, takin what others have created by brute force , either individual or government sponsored.
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This is why Islam has been so successful. It prays on rich weak societies and enslaves them and sucks the wealth out of them. Either by bein real slaves or Diminies. After a few generations the wealth of that Empire/society is squandered and they must go on to the next easy mark or languish in extreme poverty except for the small amounts of Elites!
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I have never known an Orthodox Jew. Did you imply that a large percentage of them are in denial on the realities of Islam? My opinion from readin the news was that they realized the danger and as a block voted Republican and for common sense. THE rest of the Reformed are oblivious to the dangers of Islam and Socialism and vote as a block for da Donkeys. Is this a sound GENERALIZTION? Or am I completely misinformed?
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Thanks
Frank Anderson says
Mac, yes, of course I am a lawyer who is on Retired status. I apologize for correcting you. I use the word “create” correctly. I wrote that wealth is not created by theft. Theft and accumulation are transfers, not creation. As in all transfers there are losses (costs). No transfer is 100% efficient whether in cost or quantity. Remember that I am also a degreed engineer who spent 2 additional years studying accounting, including Cost Accounting.
I did not write HOW wealth is created. Yes, it is created and increased when raw materials are acquired, work is done to turn the raw material into a useful commodity and the commodity is assembled, delivered and sold to the final user for consumption.
There is a new Orthodox congregation where I live. It has conducted public events advocating open US borders, and a number of other problematic views that I would have trouble fitting. If open borders means death of Israel it also means death to the US. Other practices in the Orthodox community strongly indicate with my Reform background that I would not fit or be welcome. I have no need to disturb their peace and keep my distance. As a Former Reform Jew convert, about a third of the Reform community tolerated my presence, a third despised my presence, and a third did not care one way or the other. In the Conservative community, I was barely tolerated as long as I said nothing and took free videos of their activities. The instant I spoke I was asked to leave.
As I write frequently about the Two Lessons of Exodus: 1) No matter how well things start they change; 2) God does not want any of us to live under any form of oppression. Being unable to speak freely is oppression and represents a place where I have no business.
Please remember there is no “ed” in Reform. The process of Reform started officially in the early 1800’s in Germany, although some think it started with Rabbis about the time of Jesus. The “ed” is omitted because the process of reform or examination continues. Jesus is considered by some to be the first Well Known Reform Jewish Rabbi.
There are 2 outstanding differences I see with Reform Judaism and Christianity. First is the Christian abuse of “guilt” as a tool of control instead of a tool of education and inspiration. Humans make errors. Sin is error, Failure to correct is error. Beating ones self with guilt is a waste and an abuse. Guilt is the worst form of slavery and oppression because we do it to ourselves, knowing our own weaknesses, failures and vulnerabilities and failing to remember the Mercy of God.
The second is the divinity of a Jewish human being. God is God; We are us. We are ALL, every person who has lived, lives now or will live, Children of God, who gives all life. Our mothers and fathers did virtually nothing to create us. They could be given all the money, raw materials and scientific equipment in the world and still not be able to create us. We have a choice to accept that Fatherhood or not. We are truly given the choice to be Brothers and Sisters of all if we wish.
Mac-101 says
Frank, Please accept my apologies. I thought it was odd that I THOUGHT you said wealth was just transferred. I must stop/slow down late at night when I’m exhausted. I am even Stupider then. However, too much to do durin da day.
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The beauty of Christianity is that ALL past sins are forgiven and we are commanded to go out and SIN no moe. However, being imperfect creatures born of sin we will sin again. A Christian attempts to reduce their sin and live their life in testimony to Jesus Christ.
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So unfortunately we have the two extremes of Christians. Those who are so full of guilt that they can NOT accept Christ Forgiveness and those who are “Born Again” or say so many indulgences and burn so many candles and consider it a license to sin and still obtain Salvation. Like everything else in life, the TRUTH is somewhere in between!
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Thank you for your very informative posts.
Frank Anderson says
Mac, I do not recall a single time where I wished to discredit or embarrass you or pretty well anyone else in a conversation. We are all trying to learn and to share. We all make errors and miss some of what others mean.
Similar in number to muslims, there are about 1.6 Billion Christians in the world. But there are about 16 Million Jews, and declining. The intellectual merit I see in Judaism is the clarity of the relationship between God and His Children (US). There was according to a PhD Baptist preacher, whom I followed for years locally, a theological war in Christianity that lasted in the order of 100 years over the question of whether or not Jesus was divine. The question was not decided by reason or analysis, but by the force of authority. He pointed to the subject of Christology for further reading and research.
In some Christian denominations members think once they are saved they are free to sin as many ways and as often as they wish. I knew one particular man who was key to stealing about $200 million in present value, and destroying my life for resisting, who felt exactly that way. The Reform teaching is that sin is error that should be recognized and avoided, without the guilt trip that some Christian denominations seem to use to beat their congregations into submission. The denomination that my birth mother was part of until I found her kept her in an abusive marriage for more than 30 years with the guilt trip. As to the source of mercy to forgive past sins and encourage less sin (error) in the future, that is where Judaism and Christianity differ. The result should be the same.
To the extent that it is needed to make you feel better, I certainly accept your apology. But I also see where my writing can be in error or just plain unclear, and hope they will be forgiven and tolerated to keep our search for better going. Peace, Mac.
jule says
I would be extremely hesitant to make any generalizations about “Jews think…. about Islam or Christians”. I have gotten varied answers.
one from someone who mover here from Israel said….’let them try to live in Israel with what the Muslims do to us’ and ‘We Understand them, & can’t persecute them’ and from US Jews, ‘Zionists are not real Jews’ and “I finally read their Qur’an and now I see where the problem came from. There is no where in our Torah that calls for genocide, Supremacy, converting everyone we meet’ and “Old Orthodox Christians in Israel have to side with Palestinians because they hold the Key to the church in Bethlehem built over where people say Jesus was born.” Christians in Israel don’t Want to be called “Palestinians’ any more because that is so associated with Muslim’. and ‘There is still a feeling of what Christians did to Jews during the Crusades’ But then “Christians United with Israel, Stand for Israel, Friends of Israel are a great support for us. We love them.’
Frank Anderson says
Jule, in my personal experience and observation, including extensive contact with Israeli guests who served in the military and then came to the US for a year as ambassador/teachers, there is a clear disconnect and contrast between what US Jews and Israeli Jews see and think. At least where I live, discussing the truth about islam leads to furious exclusion from Reform and Conservative communities. As I was primarily connected with Reform, I knew that Orthodox probably would have a hard time extending comfortable hospitality. They have the right to choose who they admit..
mortimer says
Statistical Jew Hatred in Koran and Hadiths
– The grand total of Jew Hatred in KORAN = 10,242 words / 152,006 total words = 6.7% Jew hatred
– Total number of Jew Hatred VERSES in Koran: 123 verses Jew hatred
– 17% of Medinan Koran is Jew hatred
– 1% of Meccan Koran is Jew hatred
– 8.9% of hadiths are Jew hatred
– 12% of Sira is Jew hatred
– 9.3% of Islamic Trilogy is Jew hatred
– 7% of Mein Kampf is Jew hatred by comparison
– Koran of Mecca filled with Jewish stories plagiarized and distorted.
– Jews of Medina did not validate Mohammed’s prophecy, so he then exterminated the Jews, stole their property and enslaved their women and children. -Mohammed entered Medina with his people as refugees, but within a few years there were no Jews left in Medina.
– Mohammed provides the example of Jew hatred that Muslims must follow
WPM says
Name one Jewish group that is anti-Christian, most liberal Jewish groups are ready to call criticism to conservative Jewish groups ,and heap criticism on Israel for defending it self never saying anything against Christianity. Most liberals, Christian, Jewish, Hindu ,think we can make Moslems love us by providing them with food , shelter , education, love, it never works that way. Islam is a reptilian way of thinking there is no love or forgiveness, or understanding between reptiles and non-reptiles. Name any time in history that the Jews purged their villages of Christians in the long history of Europe ,or any wide spread “anti- Christian” propaganda was made by the Jews in Europe??The Jews in Europe have a very long history of facing violent exposition, evil propaganda, mass murder of them and laws written against them {which thank God has change in the last 70 years}. Moslems have not had any of that history in Europe , Africa, Asia their history{Islam} has been to kill Christians, enslave them, make evil propaganda against them write laws against them up to and including the 21 century..
WPM says
My response was to Christianblood the leading anti-Semitic ,anti Western ,pro -Russian troll here. The Western leaders deserve a lot of criticism for appeasing Islam and so does the current leader of Russia. All Islam is anti Christian, ,anti-Semitic ,anti-Hindu ,anti-American ,anti Russian ,ant-Europe, and just name anything not Islamic here.
christianblood says
WPM posted
(…All Islam is anti Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Hindu, anti-American ,anti Russian, ant-Europe, and just name anything not Islamic here…)
All True! Now, GO tell that to the Jewish leftist liberals in the West who routinely collaborate with Islamists while showing hostility and suspicion to anything Christian!
Rarely says
Just exactly what evidence do you have that “Jewish leftist liberals” show “hostility and suspicion to anything Christian”. You can’t because it just doesn’t exist. Pure ignorance on your part.
WPM says
You have not named one “Jewish group” who ,is showing open hostility to Christians .Leftist in general Christians(Pope Frank as example} ,atheist, Jewish ,and Hindi try to appease Islam ,the current leader of Russia also tries to appease Islam (largest mosque in the world built in Moscow under his watch) .Many articles on this website talk about current leaders in the Western world that appease Islam, You refuse to see to see the current leader of Russia doing the same .You refuse to see Hamas as a terrorist group ,or the evil people leading Iran today. I saw your grand excluder could do no wrong leader of Russia meeting with, laughing with, shaking his hand, he look happy chatting with him and have a good all time with the current leader of Saudi Arabia at. G20 conference .If the leader of Saudis visits Russia in the near future he could tour the Mosque in Moscow his money help build.
christianblood says
WPM
You misquoted me! I do believe that Hamas is indeed a dangerous terrorist/jihadist group! BTW, it is not Russia that backed and still backs a myriad of islamic jihadists groups for decades, groups like the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Osama Bin-Laden and various other jihadist groups in places like Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Kosovo, Bosnia, Syria and Yemen!
Former U$ national security adviser to Taliban and A-Qaeda jihadists in Pakistan: “Your cause is right and Allah is on your side!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0
christianblood says
Rarely
The world is an open book! Go and read it and use your mind, provided you have one!
Ambrosie says
@ Rarely
Frank Anderson & Honest Ali both testified in this thread to the fact that Jewish groups, even conservative ones, would reject you and call you names like a hate-speaker and even evict you from their temples if you contradict their line that ‘Islam is the religion of peace’. This is very unfortunate but it is a reality today. Probably because of their negative experience with Christians in Europe over the centuries, many Jews have developed negative stereo types, suspicion and hostility towards Christians. You see many evangelical and other Christians in America that are fanatically pro-Israel and pro-Jewish and you learn their fanatical love for Israel and for the Jews is not returned as they are viewed with suspicion and apathy even when they are volunteering in Israel, offering their free services and resources.
Frank Anderson says
Ambrosie, My first visit to a Jewish congregation was in 1992 or 3. I have spent many nights and afternoons until 2015 at services, events and studies. I did not do that because I hated what I was hearing and learning. I bought the religion of peace lie for about 7 years from GWB’s proclamation until Glenn Beck showed up on Fox News. Then I started reading and asking questions. That is when I started getting shown the door. I believe if you read what I write, you will see that I still treasure what I learned even if I am no longer part of the community. I have the right AND the DUTY to protect myself from all forms of oppression. They have the right to choose who they accept. We are best served by selecting who we take and keep as friends instead of surrendering our rights and liberties in order to conform with tyranny.
Indiana Tom says
Just exactly what evidence do you have that “Jewish leftist liberals” show “hostility and suspicion to anything Christian”. You can’t because it just doesn’t exist.
Ever listen to the Jews in Hollyweird and Harvey Weinstein. Always had the Caliphate in Chiefs ear to complain about Christianity in the government. Then we have the ACLU and taking down small town church directory signs.to make the world safe for civil rights.
christianblood says
Ambrosie posted
(…Frank Anderson & Honest Ali both testified in this thread to the fact that Jewish groups, even conservative ones, would reject you and call you names like a hate-speaker and even evict you from their temples if you contradict their line that ‘Islam is the religion of peace’. This is very unfortunate but it is a reality today…)
Very well-said, Ambrosie! We are indeed living in uncertain times where everything is upside down and where lies are preferred over the Truth!
gravenimage says
Fine posts, WPM.
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
WPM
You misquoted me! I do believe that Hamas is indeed a dangerous terrorist/jihadist group!
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Yes–a minor error. It is Hezballah that christianblood loves, going so far as to scream. “God bless Hezballah!”.
Here he is, applauding a Jihad terror museum commemorating Jihad attacks on Israel:
“Hizballah operates ‘Museum for Jihadi Tourism’ in South Lebanon”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/hizballah-operates-museum-for-jihadi-tourism-in-south-lebanon
christianblood takes issue with describing the Muslim effort to destroy Israel and murder the Jews Jihad–he prefers to call it “resistance”.
mortimer says
Mohammed entered the mainly Jewish town of MEDINA as a REFUGEE, but within a few years, there were no Jews left that had not been killed or enslaved.
MOHAMMED WAS NEVER GOOD TO JEWS … he killed and enslaved them… that is the example Muslims consider ‘righteous’.
Jew hatred is normative Islam, rather than an aberration. The Jews of Scotland are being tricked.
– “Taqiyya permeates almost all the activities and dealings of Muslims with non-Muslim societies…” – a former sheikh Sam Solomon
FYI says
So the Scottish Council of Jewish Communities don’t know…about…?
SAHIH MUSLIM #6985 islam’s final solution for the Jews…
Or the koran’s violent antisemitism?
Ask their new-found muslim friends to explain THAT
Perhaps the Dhimmwits don’t want to know.
Frank Anderson says
FYI, of course there is a Commandment about “bearing false witness” contrary to islam teaching to lie at every occasion where advantage can be obtained. I have been treated with bitter hostility anytime I questioned the “religion of peace” lie in a Jewish assembly. Those “in charge” not only do not want to know, they don’t want anyone to know because it would show their ignorance and betrayal of the community. There are approximately 1.6 BILLION muslims in the world. There are about 16 MILLION Jews in the world, 100 to 1 outnumbered. The Jews are declining while the muslims are exploding demographically. What is reasonable to expect? Looks to me like many changes are needed for a different result.
somehistory says
On the local television stations, there is an announcer for the station that broadcasts the local news and weather. He says, “weather teen,’ and “news teen,” and “sports teen,” and when he says the name of his station, he says, “….dot.con.
it is so uninformed…and it is so annoying and irritating.
However, it is so intelligent compared to this group of Jews meeting with those who are rabidly antisemitic for the purpose of stamping out antisemitism. They may have success in curbing any criticism of islam….and in keeping people there from acknowledging that adherents of islam want them to live in fear…a real fear, not an unreasoning “phobia”…but the hatred of themselves as Jews, they are aiding and abetting.
R Russell says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU-GrlIkNfg
gravenimage says
Yes–important link.
gravenimage says
Scotland: Jewish group teams up with antisemitic Muslim group to fight antisemitism and “Islamophobia”
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Maybe they should have joined with Hitler to fight antisemitism, as well. Very, very foolish people.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I do not recall Hitler being mentioned in any Holocaust memorial service or event in the 20 plus years I attended. I can be quite mistaken. But I do not recall. The failure to connect the Holocaust with the muslim active participation and the Grand Mufti’s efforts to expand it to “Palestine” and North Africa is amazing, because it breaks what should be a connection between then and NOW.
gravenimage says
I wish more people knew this story.
ItsReallyQuiteClear says
Singularly criticizing Jews for having some sort of religiously-induced proclivity to believe the myth that Islam is a religion of peace is some strategy for trying to persuade people of the truth about Islam. There’s a guy in Rome who isn’t exactly helping you make your case that Jews are unique in being gullible to that belief.
We’re fortunate that the true thought leaders in this space focus on the real threat. Unless of course you believe that that’s what you’re doing by denigrating Jews. Maybe some of you have been reading too much Quran.
gravenimage says
Good post.
ItsReallyQuiteClear says
Thank you.
WPM says
+1
There are appeaser leaders in all faiths ,the current Pope is a perfect example ,I am a Catholic try talking about Jihad with your local priest you will get the same reaction as talking to the reform Rabbi I would guess! No one wants to talk about the common enemy ,no one wants to name it ,fear is the common thread of all faith against talking about the truth of Islam.
Frank Anderson says
WPM, I try to comment on subjects and experiences I have good information to talk about. I think most who write here follow that idea. Most of my experience with attempted discussion of islam is with Jews, with generally negative response. The Baptists in my neighborhood vary from indifferent to thinking they can talk muslims out of islam with skillful conversation. From what I read, my Catholic friends, whom I have many for literally most of my life, have reason to expect similar response in view of what seems to be the “official” determination of the Church leadership. I suggest watching the William Daniels movie 1776 to see what it took to get the “forbidden subject” of American Independence to discussion leading to the Declaration. It seems to me we face a similarly important subject that is really hard to get people to risk talking about. Do we want to nullify the Declaration of Independence because we are unable to discuss a current movement that aims to destroy it?
jack says
won’t last long, just like the Hitler/Stalin pact.
Frank Anderson says
Jack, I think you could not be more correct in your analysis.
Then it was Hitler fooling Stalin, and Stalin deluding himself with wishful thinking.
Now, followers of Hitler, who read Mein Kampf, are fooling uninformed, delusional people who wish to avoid conflict into inaction that exposes their future and lives to extermination. And I am ignoring out of my excess of sympathy for Judaism Hitler’s view of the equivalence of Judaism and Communism. “Those who cannot remember the lessons of the past. . .” Jorge Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905).