Polygamy is considered to be a crime in most of the world’s non-Islamic societies. And yet in the Islamic world, polygamy is considered to be an acceptable practice and an integral part of Islamic theology and law. Sharia makes what are crimes (numerous crimes — not limited merely to polygamy) in much of the non-Islamic world permissible for Muslims. And of course, Islamic law is based primarily on the contents of the Islam’s canonical texts (the Qur’an, hadth and sira).
The Qur’an specifies that Muslim men can have as many as four wives and an unspecified number of sex slaves. And keep in mind that the majority of Muslims consider the Qur’an to be a perfect book of instructions for Muslim believers to follow (Qur’an 3:138, 6:114, 16:89), preserved on an eternal tablet in heaven created by Allah (Qur’an 85:21-22).
Quran 4:3: “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly, then only one, or a captive that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”
Polygamous marriages such as those permitted by Islam tend to lead to much confusion, ugly competitiveness, and a lack of genuine love for both the children and wives of such arrangements, while catering to and favoring the sexual desires and superior rights of Muslim males, as prescribed by the Quran (4:34).
Islamic polygamy as delineated by the supposedly perfect Qur’an is no doubt destructive to the health of children and families. Therefore, the veracity of the Qur’anic claims of Islam being a perfect religion (Qur’an 5:3) are laughable. For a more thorough examination of Islamic polygamy, see here.
Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK, explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:
One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…
The statement continues:
Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
mortimer says
Islam is dualistic in ethics. This means that there is always more than one answer to moral questions. Normally, there is a Sharia rule and a number of exceptions to the rule covered by other rules. This often gives the Muslim male many options, while the Muslim female has fewer options. The dhimmi has many fewer options in the Islamic system and must basically STIFLE HIMSELF AT ALL TIMES, especially if Muslims are present or likely to learn of it. Preventing someone from offending Muslim males is a main part of what the Sharia system is about. The system is about perceptions of ‘HONOR’.
For this reason, Islam is systemically ‘patriarchal’ in the feminist sense of the word. We see that Western feminists are ignoring the systemic patriarchal discrimination that is normative Islam, rather than an aberration.
Benedict says
“the reasons why they have abandoned Islam: ……”
The reasons why Muslims should abandon Islam are many and compelling, but I suppose you don’t recommend that Muslims instead should adopt “The Grotesque Immorality” espoused by millions of pop and sports idols, Hollywood actors, corrupt politicians and other social media and public figures and influential celebrities and their anonymous followers in the morally declining and deteriorating West?
Who and what do you have in mind could replace the paradigm Muslims traditionally try to model their lives after, Saleem Smith?
Because if you can’t recommend a viable alternative you just leave these defecting Muslims in a void.
Tom Saunders says
First of all no one has a magic wand that will erase their memories/knowledge/persona. At least They would have the opportunity to find their own way. Islam is specifically designed to preclude that option. It isn’t necessary to give (dictate) them a belief system. Ok, I’ll recommend the paradigm: liberty. I would never quibble about saving someone drowning in a cesspool because they might opt for the salt water shower once they get clear.
Benedict says
TS,
“Dictate” is not an alternative to or synonymous with “give” or “recommend” in a free society, as you seem to indicate? And a free society is hardly compatible with or advanced by the excessive promulgation of libertinism and indulgence dominating our culture? – which you presumably don’t include in your definition of liberty?
gravenimage says
Benedict wrote:
“the reasons why they have abandoned Islam: ……”
The reasons why Muslims should abandon Islam are many and compelling, but I suppose you don’t recommend that Muslims instead should adopt “The Grotesque Immorality” espoused by millions of pop and sports idols, Hollywood actors, corrupt politicians and other social media and public figures and influential celebrities and their anonymous followers in the morally declining and deteriorating West?
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Benedict has done this many times now–when faced with the utter horror of Islam–including, as here, rape and sex slavery–he instead condemns the West. Before, he has said that women–and children!–in the West should immure themselves in Burqas to atone for Westerners (supposedly) going naked in public as the norm.
Not only is the idea that Westerners are regularly going nude absurd–unless he considers women not covering their faces to be “naked”–but just as in Islam he puts all the onus on women. He has been asked dozens of times now by myself and others why he isn’t urging men to walk around in tents and cover their faces, but has never deigned to answer.
And the veil is not about modesty, in any case–it is a sign telling Muslims who they *can* rape.
How *this* is moral Benedict has never said.
But then, he puts “The Grotesque Immorality” in sneer quotes when referring to the horrors of Islam–so does Benedict actually have a problem with rape, pedophilia, and sex slavery? Given his recent posting history here, as well as the above, this grimly seems unlikely.
More:
Who and what do you have in mind could replace the paradigm Muslims traditionally try to model their lives after, Saleem Smith?
Because if you can’t recommend a viable alternative you just leave these defecting Muslims in a void.
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The West is *far* more moral than is Islam, even as it stands now–and any problems that the West *does* have are not improved by accepting the moral horrors of Islam.
More, in reply to Tom Saunders:
TS,
“Dictate” is not an alternative to or synonymous with “give” or “recommend” in a free society, as you seem to indicate? And a free society is hardly compatible with or advanced by the excessive promulgation of libertinism and indulgence dominating our culture? – which you presumably don’t include in your definition of liberty?
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One can of course teach–and preach–morals in a free society.
So far, though, for Benedict this seems to consist of immuring females in Purdah so that no one can see their faces–just the same “morals” as these rapist Muslims.
Benedict says
Oh you petty, silly, little, predictable woman, who routinely attempts to deny and rob Muslims of their humanity and castigates those who disturb your discipline in the classroom here on JW. Do you have an orgasm in your brain or your butt whenever you intone your comments with, “the disgusting this and that”, “the appalling this and that”, “the creep this and that” as you so often do before you distort their comments—?
Don’t you have someone in your proximity who can put a mirror to your bigoted face instead of having your face stuffed with potato pancakes by your husband – while the commercials on your telly are running in the background – wishing you happy birthday every time you slobber? – which is all the time.
gravenimage says
The increasingly awful Benedict wrote:
Oh you petty, silly, little, predictable woman, who routinely attempts to deny and rob Muslims of their humanity and castigates those who disturb your discipline in the classroom here on JW.
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The idea that criticizing Muslim rape, pedophilia, and sex slavery “attempts to deny and rob Muslims of their humanity” is just appalling. No, I do not consider these horrors to be good things, and neither does Saleem Smith and Jihad Watch.
And I have actually been concerned about the Muslim victims of Islam–such as Muslim women and girls who have been arrested, imprisoned, or murdered for resisting the Hijab–something that Benedict has sneered at during his urging Western women to wear the Burqa and force little girls to do the same.
I don’t like to see Muslims *or* infidels victimized by Islam.
And I have no “classroom” here at Jihad Watch, not any more than any other poster–everyone is free to comment.
What Benedict and so many like him appear to fail to grasp is that criticism of others’ speech is also freedom of speech. It should not surprise that Benedict understands little about what freedom of speech encompasses.
More:
Do you have an orgasm in your brain or your butt whenever you intone your comments with, “the disgusting this and that”, “the appalling this and that”, “the creep this and that” as you so often do before you distort their comments—?
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Benedict has often pretended to claim the moral high ground when castigating Westerners for (supposedly) walking around naked and women not covering their faces, yet he is fine with the vile spewings above. What is moral about *this*? *Ugh*.
Note that he is outraged that I refer to things like Muslim rape and pedophilia as appalling and disgusting–*very* telling.
And he says that I have distorted his comments–without, of course, giving any examples. This should not surprise.
More:
Don’t you have someone in your proximity who can put a mirror to your bigoted face instead of having your face stuffed with potato pancakes by your husband – while the commercials on your telly are running in the background – wishing you happy birthday every time you slobber? – which is all the time.
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This is a reference to the recent “Happy Hanukkah!” thread, where I mentioned that my husband and I were making potato pancakes for breakfast.
A lot of respected posters actually replied positively to that comment–but of course Benedict is outraged by it. This should not surprise, though–someone who wants women immured in Burqas and winks at polygamy and rape is not apt to think fondly on a husband and wife lovingly preparing breakfast for each other.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/happy-hanukkah#comment-2024953
And what is “bigoted” about opposing the savagery of Islam? That is what Jihad Watch is dedicated to.
And no–to my knowledge, there is no television channel where the commercials all wish one a happy birthday. Benedict seems to be going completely off the rails here…
Wellington says
Whatever is wrong with the West in our time, Benedict—and there is much wrong with it, principally due to Leftism, a “companion” totalitarian ideology with Islam, both having an aversion to true freedom as they do (and you know this or should know this)—insulting someone as fair-minded, informed and sapient as gravenimage only reflects upon you negatively in the extreme.
Islam is the proto-type for Nazism, Benedict, i.e., master faith v. master race, with all kinds of nasty implications. Meanwhile, modern Leftism represents an abuse of liberty and is roughly as intolerant as Islam, Marxism and Nazism are. Gravenimage is on point and wise respecting all this. You are off point and far from wise. Of course, you will miss all this. I strongly suspect you miss a lot.
Wake the hell up. That is if you are able, which right now I kinda’ doubt that you are. Indeed, I suspect you will live out your life never figuring out such things as the importance of liberty, the iniquity of Islam and the greatness of the West.
Tom Saunders says
So much anger Benedict. Where do you think that comes from, and does it seem rational?
Benedict says
Wellington:
What provokes this comment I have explained in another comment:
We have reached a point in the West where public nakedness is less offensive to secular people than full body covering of Muslim women. I have *only* recommended and expressed support for the latter as a sarcastic comment to the former and suggested a causal connexion between the two. The distortion by cravenimage of this possible far fetched idea goes like this:
“Benedict has said before that women in the West should wear the Burqa and that girls should be forced to do so–and that they are “naked” if they do not.”
That’s a preposterous and perfidious summation of my comments. We might all disagree about something, but let’s disagree about things expressed and not conjure up straw-men to be knocked down.
Do you understand my reaction now, W?
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Apropos the ubiquity of nakedness and pornography in media and in public spaces and its export from the civilized West to other (Muslim) countries, a story from my part of the world is under investigation. It indicates literally new heights of this animal behavior and the madness we cultivate in the West, and at some future point it might result in terror and mayhem as a revenge from the Muslim world:
https://youtu.be/2QsB0L91ADQ
Will JW and commentators in case then still trivialize the phenomenon, as gravenimage is a proponent for, or will they also trivialize and defend this animal behavior as an expression of liberty and moral superiority to the Muslim world together with naked biking in big cities, naked visitors to museums and in restaurants, naked ballets etc. etc. ?
Elisha says
Benedict, your impudence and arrogance is utterly breathtaking. Since the bathroom is probably the best place for you, tell it all to your mirror because then you’ll have a friend and someone who agrees with you.
BTW, “woke” former muslims do have a place to go, just like EVERY single person on this planet:
“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!” – Mark 1:15
Amen.
Wellington says
Actually, Benedict, and for the record and all that, while I do not support, no not at all, public nakedness (and especially where women are concerned), I would still support such over the “full body covering of Muslim women” because the latter comes with even more negatives than the former.
Instructive and highly telling, I would argue, when a stupid idea (e.g., nakedness of women) is supplanted by an even worse idea (“full body covering of Muslim women,”—your words, not mine). Islam, you know, is “superb” at supplanting stupid ideas by even stupider ideas.
Yes, herein lies Islam’s true legacy. Quite a legacy. And not just with matters related to “nakedness,” but with virtually all matters (and most especially liberty).
As I have written before many times at JW, it was a high probability, not a given, but a high probability that mankind would produce a major religion that was effed-up to its core, including what it had in store in the “category” of women and their place on this tiny planet we inhabit. Well, surprise, surprise, Islam did just that. And anyone, I mean ANYONE, including you, Western feminists, et al., who defends Islam in the name of women is either a liar or an ignoramus.
No exceptions. Not one.
gravenimage says
Benedict wrote:
Wellington:
What provokes this comment I have explained in another comment:
We have reached a point in the West where public nakedness is less offensive to secular people than full body covering of Muslim women. I have *only* recommended and expressed support for the latter as a sarcastic comment to the former and suggested a causal connexion between the two. The distortion by cravenimage (sic) of this possible far fetched idea goes like this:
“Benedict has said before that women in the West should wear the Burqa and that girls should be forced to do so–and that they are “naked” if they do not.”
That’s a preposterous and perfidious summation of my comments. We might all disagree about something, but let’s disagree about things expressed and not conjure up straw-men to be knocked down.
Do you understand my reaction now, W?
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I have linked to Benedict’s appalling comments on how women in the West should be coerced into wearing the Burqa–and that children should be forcibly veiled–because public nudity is supposedly rife in the West.
And no–there is no causal connection between Muslims forcing women into the Burqa and some in the West wearing skimpy clothing.
Purdah in Islam *much* predates the phenomenon of nude beaches in the West–and the places where the Burqa is most brutally enforced are not places where women are wearing light clothing, but places like Afghanistan and Somalia.
And note–yet again–Benedict only wants to see *women* and little girls immured in Burqa–just like Muslims. He has never said that men should cover their faces out of “modesty”.
More:
Apropos the ubiquity of nakedness and pornography in media and in public spaces and its export from the civilized West to other (Muslim) countries, a story from my part of the world is under investigation.
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“My part of the world”? Does this mean that Benedict is actually based in the Muslim world? That would explain a *great deal*–including his ridiculous claims that public nudity is rife in Western cities.
More:
It indicates literally new heights of this animal behavior and the madness we cultivate in the West, and at some future point it might result in terror and mayhem as a revenge from the Muslim world:
https://youtu.be/2QsB0L91ADQ
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Good grief–*this* thing. This is an obvious hoax. Here is what famous Egyptian archaeologist Zahi Hawass had to say:
“One hundred percent it is photoshopped,” Zahi Hawass, an archaeologist who is the former Egyptian Minister of Antiquities and former director general of Giza Plateau, told NBC News. “There is no way any one can enter the Pyramids area at night.”
In reference to images of the couple on the pyramid, he added: “Those are not the stones of the big Pyramid. They’re too small.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/egypt-investigating-after-couple-ignites-controversy-nude-photos-great-pyramid-n945581
There is no doubt that Andreas Hvid is an idiot–but note that Benedict is fine with the idea that innocent people deserve to be murdered by Muslims in “revenge” for a stupid internet hoax. *Ugh*.
Even if this were a real thing–which it is not–that Muslims have the right to murder innocent people because of the non-violent (albeit crude and inappropriate) actions of others. This is the kind of “morality” he is flogging here.
More:
Will JW and commentators in case then still trivialize the phenomenon, as gravenimage is a proponent for, or will they also trivialize and defend this animal behavior as an expression of liberty and moral superiority to the Muslim world together with naked biking in big cities, naked visitors to museums and in restaurants, naked ballets etc. etc. ?
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I have not been a proponent for public nudity (unless, of course, Benedict considers women not being immured in a Burqa “nudity”).
But as stupid and inappropriate as public nudity is, it is both rare–not the norm as Benedict appears to believe–and it is *still* nowhere near as bad as Muslim rape and sex slavery.
Note that even with the sexual horrors Hugh Fitzgerald enumerates above, that Benedict sneers at the idea that the civilized West is morally superior to the Muslim world.
That he considers pedophilia, raping women in Jihad, and keeping women and girls as sex slaves to be morally superior to the free West where women do not have to cover their faces is just sickening. *Ugh*.
Tom Saunders says
The description of Mohammed by the UK apostates at the end summarizes precisely why Islam and socialism are drawn together. Socialism is a plundering murderous belief system, just like Mohammedanism, utterly incapable of creating anything but misery.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Elisha says
“Socialism is a plundering murderous belief system, just like Mohammedanism, utterly incapable of creating anything but misery.”
Socialism is a result of the philosophical delusion of Darwinism, now taught as “fact” in public schools.
John 8:32 (just ask Simon Greenleaf, Sir William Ramsay, James Warner Wallace, Lee Strobel, et al).
Cheers.
Wellington says
A given: True equality between men and women cannot be if polygamy is allowed. Monogamy is a sine qua non for real equality to exist for women.
gravenimage says
So true, Wellington.
Benedict says
Polygamy without papers, thus modified to polyamory but essentially the same thing, is allowed all over the Western World. And many other bizarre relations, designed to boost equality and liberty, are allowed. More elevated morals are often found in the animal kingdom, but these are often to high for human beings to aspire to.
Wellington says
Wrong again, Benedict. The Judeo-Christian norm, the Western norm, is monogamy. Anything else has been condemned by the best of Western Civilization, contra the Islamic world which has endorsed polygamy from the get-go. Just because the Western norm is often not lived up to shouldn’t translate into what you have translated it into which is a thinly veiled condemnation of the Western ideal. How cheap of you.
Don’t try to muddle things. Don’t obfuscate. At least not here at JW. You may win over lesser minds than yourself (which won’t be hard to do) but you will win virtually no “converts” here to your deceitful, too clever by half opinions. Stick it where the sun never shines.
gravenimage says
+1
Benedict says
Have you ever read about King David and his son Solomon? And Moses, Abraham , Jacob etc.? They were never condemned for their polygamy in their time. With NT and the Gospel monogamy was endorsed by Christ and Saint Paul, but not for gays and lesbians it might approbate to add these days. The Muslim world at least agree with Judeo-Christian sex ethics on the latter point.
gravenimage says
Muslims believe that homosexuals should be murdered. *That* is not Judeo-Christian sex ethics.
I notice that on this thread Benedict has become naked (pun intended) in his approval of the horrors of Muslim sexual abuse. *Ugh*.
Carol the 1st says
Benedict sounds like the “intellectual descendent” of someone like Sayyid Qutb of the Muslim Brotherhood:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb
Benedict hints at “justifiable” violence as a result of some implied full-fledged hanky panky on top of a pyramid – but does he ever give a damn about the concerted, total destruction of the historical wonders of non-muslim cultural sites by dedicated devotees of the ROP?
Qutb was a staunch antisemite BTW. His 1950 book, Our Struggle against the Jews, forms a central part of today’s Islamist antisemitism. His teachings (via his brother) had a great effect on Osama bin Laden and terrorists often quote him.
gravenimage says
+1
Terry Gain says
Those who believe that Muhammad is a perfect man are either ignorant or ethically deficient. Such people will contaminate any society they enter. They must be kept out. They have no right to damage and ultimately destroy our society.
FYI says
Polygamy is always a sure sign of a false prophet of any cult:the Great Man,the self-appointed “prophet”, has a convenient dream,like muhammed,that tells him its OK to equivocate and twist God’s Commandments in a way to suit himself.Certainly there are false prophets in christianity too:I can think of 2 currently living in Russia.One is a polygamist “christian”,the other claims to be Jesus Christ{ ..he has a few wives of course..but he dresses and looks like Jesus .. some folk are too stupid to avoid being deceived…}
The Biblical prophets understood God’s laws.
The islamic “prophet” didn’t follow any of them!
3 Religions:-
Judaism:Moses preaches OBEDIENCE to God’s Commandments
Christianity:Jesus preaches OBEDIENCE to God’s commandments
{with emphasis on the 2 chief ones:LOVE of God,LOVE of fellow humans}
So in the Biblical narrative,God’s TRUE prophets show the way by their example,to God through OBEDIENCE to God’s Laws and LOVE
BUT
islam:muhammed the “prophet” preaches DISOBEDIENCE to God’s laws and leads souls astray via his sunnah or bad example.
There are no two chief commandments:No LOVE just HATRED for Jews and Christians{koran 9:30} which is promoted by islam/the koran/muhammed
{muslims believe that their koran exists in perfect form in allah’s paradise….but we know the koran contains multiple errors:from a talking baby Jesus in a crib,to allah’s failure to understand the role of the Jews, to allah’s ludicrous misunderstanding of the Theology behind the Trinity.
So these errors must exist in allah’s paradise…making it imperfect..}
gravenimage says
The Grotesque Immorality of Mainstream Islamic Ethics (Part 6)
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Islam poses as “moral” and “modest”–and many foolish Infidels buy these claims–yet not only is polygamy Halal, but also forced marriage, pedophilia, rape, and sex slavery.
In reality, there is *nothing* moral about Islam.
alex Reid says
This message should be printed out & stuck up on every NoticeBoard in EVERY Mosque in the Western world. Then it should be put up on NoticeBoards in Mosques in the Muslim world. It is only the TRUTH. Islamic texts themselves state Mohammed’s conduct, so what have they to fear from the Truth?
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam all, especially Gravenimage,
Polygamy has its place in some cases … I was thinking particularly about Graven’s position. Desperately wanting children but unable to. She has spent so many years convincing Dennis about the “fruits” of not having children … he’s sold on it … hell even Graven believes her own lies sometimes.
However, Graven spends much of her day thinking … “if only there was a solution?” ….
Mashallah …well there is Graven …polygamy…what you need to do is convince Dennis in marrying again… but to also keep you in the loop and mix again. You both need to convert (you don’t need to tell everyone.. it will be our secret on Jihadwatch) and then he is free to marry another …whilst still married to you and most important …have children.
Now you need to remain calm and stay respectful to your better 3rd and you too can help with the purvirish (upbringing of the child). You have been desperate to smell the pee and poo of a baby …well now you can.
At night you can help by whispering “Bismillah” in the baby’s ear just before putting the baby to sleep … but remember to whisper and not shout.
You can wear a dupatta at home and enter into prayers… over time you will love your new deen.
I will do dua for Dennis to find the right 2nd partner … but you need to kick the process off … do it tonight …don’t keep the excitement to your self… tell Dennis of this solution ASAP… tell him you lied about not having children in your lives …he is your shor … he will understand.
Good luck Graven, keep me posted…
More Later …
Rezali
Elisha says
Tell me, Rezali:
1. Why is it that allah could “perfectly preserve” the quran but not the Bible? (Keep in mind that no “uncorrupted copy” of the Bible has ever been produced to date!). Please direct me towards an “uncorrupted” copy of the Bible muslims claim exists.
2. If Christianity is “false”, why did allah start Christianity by tricking people into believing Jesus was crucified?
Calling Christianity false is a logical fallacy in light of this islamic belief. These two facts are undeniable … You MUST believe, as a muslim, that Jesus was sentenced to death. What was the charge/crime? Blasphemy!
For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself EQUAL WITH GOD. – John 5:18
The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, BEING A MAN, MAKE YOURSELF OUT TO BE GOD.” – John 10:33
The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law HE OUGHT TO DIE BECAUSE HE MADE HIMSELF OUT TO BE THE SON OF GOD.” – John 19:7
The Pharisees understood He was calling Himself God, why can’t you understand this as well?
Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.” Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, “What further need do we have of witnesses? “YOU HAVE HEARD THE BLASPHEMY; how does it seem to you?” And they all condemned Him to be DESERVING OF DEATH. – Mark 14:61-64
The Jews KNEW that ONLY God rides upon the clouds, THAT is why they killed Him! It’s ALL OVER the Old Testament!
“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN, One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. – Daniel 7:13
The Son (Jesus Christ) came up to the Ancient of Days (the Father). The oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the LORD IS RIDING ON A SWIFT CLOUD and is about to come to Egypt; The idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence, And the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them. – Isaiah 19:1
He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters; HE MAKES THE CLOUD HIS CHARIOT; He walks upon the wings of the wind. – Psalm 104:3
“Behold, he goes up like clouds, And his chariots like the whirlwind; His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are ruined!” – Jeremiah 4:13
Jesus says He EXISTED before the world began. Until you understand the nature of God existing as three persons, you will understand nothing.
Jesus Says here He is God “I AM”, just like He did when He said He EXISTED before the world. Only God can claim this:
Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’ – Exodus 3:13-15
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” – John 8:56-58
Jesus has TWO natures: FULLY human and FULLY God:
In the beginning was the Word, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men … AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. – John 1:1-4,14
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD, BUT MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION, TAKING THE FORM OF A BONDSERVANT, AND COMING IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN. AND BEING FOUND IN THE APPEARANCE AS A MAN, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. – Philippians 2:5-11
Old Testament:
Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens. – Genesis 19:24 [the Lord (Jesus Christ) from the Lord (the Father)]
And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.” – Zechariah 12:10 [The first sentence is God the Son Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit and His future crucifixion. The second sentence is God the Father speaking about His Son]
The Trinity in the FIRST LINE: Holy Spirit, Father and Son!
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound” – Isaiah 61:1
The Belief in Jesus as God before Nicea – Dr Michael Heiser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Ry_uEMG-k
I will leave you with this “checkmate” question from Jesus:
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?”
They said to Him, “The Son of David.”
He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’? [Psalm 110:1]
If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?” And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore. – Matthew 22:41-46
FYI says
The muslim troll rezali should marry ..that ibby the mithraist, The Al-GOLLUM .He’s so awkward around “women” though,calling them smelly.
{That’s the problem with confusing farm animals with women:it’s an islamic thing in some countries}
An islamic threesome…!
{or foursome..or fivesome..allah’s OK with sexual immorality;see the koran}
{leave the door open for Uncle Mo..but once the hijabs are off..the muslimas are fair game..}
Wellington says
You’re so full of shit, Rezali, and what’s more anyone of sense knows this. You might be able to BS the detritus of humanity, respecting which the Islamic world has far more than its share, but you won’t succeed here at JW—guaranteed.
gravenimage says
The vile Rezali Mehil wrote:
Salaam all, especially Gravenimage,
Polygamy has its place in some cases … I was thinking particularly about Graven’s position. Desperately wanting children but unable to. She has spent so many years convincing Dennis about the “fruits” of not having children … he’s sold on it … hell even Graven believes her own lies sometimes.
However, Graven spends much of her day thinking … “if only there was a solution?” ……………………………..
Rezali Mehil has said this before–that my husband needs to convert to Islam and “marry” a string of under-aged children. She has lauded child rape here repeatedly. *Ugh*
Oh, and my husband is not named Dennis. But “Dennis” is a slang term for a great guy–the exact opposite of a Muslim who would rape children and beat his wife–so I don’t mind her calling him “Dennis”.
More:
Mashallah …well there is Graven …polygamy…what you need to do is convince Dennis in marrying again… but to also keep you in the loop and mix again. You both need to convert (you don’t need to tell everyone.. it will be our secret on Jihadwatch) and then he is free to marry another …whilst still married to you and most important …have children.
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What does Rezali Mehil have in store for these children? Murdering Infidels for the boys, and yet more rape for the little girls.
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Now you need to remain calm and stay respectful to your better 3rd and you too can help with the purvirish (upbringing of the child). You have been desperate to smell the pee and poo of a baby …well now you can.
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No surprise that this is what Rezali Mehill would reduce raising children to. Moreover, she exposes the lie that multiple wives are considered equal in polygamous Islamic households–of course, they are not. The first wife–or wives, if this goes on long enough–are usually relegated to abused household help, often forced to sleep on the floor.
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At night you can help by whispering “Bismillah” in the baby’s ear just before putting the baby to sleep … but remember to whisper and not shout.
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And Rezali Mehil believes it is the will of “Allah” to continue this loveless ugliness into the next generation, and the next…
More:
You can wear a dupatta at home and enter into prayers… over time you will love your new deen.
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“Dupatta”–why is this significant? It is a veil–generally, Muslim women don’t need to be veiled at home, even if they go out in Burqas. But as a sign of humiliation first wives are often forcibly veiled even at home to show that they are no longer allowed any intimacy with their husband, and are regarded, no matter how many years of marriage, as essentially strangers–just as though they were unrelated domestic help.
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I will do dua for Dennis to find the right 2nd partner …
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Rezali Mehil particularly hates me–and Dumbledore’s Army, Champ, and Mirren–because we are free Western women who resist the horrors of Islam. Instead of wanting to see Muslim women free, she wants to see other women enslaved.
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but you need to kick the process off … do it tonight …don’t keep the excitement to your self… tell Dennis of this solution ASAP… tell him you lied about not having children in your lives …he is your shor … he will understand.
Good luck Graven, keep me posted…
More Later …
Rezali
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Dream on, Mohammedan.
Twerzig says
I suppose the thing
with polygamy
is that some men
must go without a partner.
How sad for them.
It must instill sadness
throughout their society.
Perhaps that is the purpose.
How would it feel for brothers
to see their little sisters
passed off
to old men.
Carol the 1st says
I’m sure such gut feelings have been wallpapered over with the Islamic “virtue” of holy stoicism.