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UK Scouts leader Bear Grylls says mosques tell him that Scouts offer “all ISIS gives people, but for good, not bad”

Dec 9, 2018 8:06 am By Robert Spencer

“That’s why we have the mosques coming to us. They’re saying: ‘Hold on, we can see that you’re providing hope, purpose, pride, British values, sense of discipline. All the things that ISIS give people, but for good, not bad. Come and speak to our youths.’”

Given the fact that Muslim communities in Britain show a decided tendency not to assimilate, and the many news stories we have seen of Muslim schools in Britain teaching Islamic values rather than British ones, Grylls’ picture of mosque leaders trying to find ways to instill British values into young Muslims is not quite credible. And the Islamic State (ISIS) offers those young Muslims one thing for which Bear Grylls will never be able to offer an acceptable substitute: the idea that they are serving Allah and earning a place in Paradise.

Nonetheless, I wish him all success.

“Scouts can save children from extremism and gangs, says Bear Grylls,” by Camilla Tominey, Telegraph, December 8, 2018:

As a former SAS trained soldier, he has built a career on surviving in the harshest of environments and against all the odds.

But as he embarks on his latest adventure as the new chief ambassador for the global scout movement, Bear Grylls now wants to tackle some of the biggest challenges facing society – including gang violence and extremism.

After being appointed the UK’s youngest ever Chief Scout nearly a decade ago, the father-of-three has set his sights on mobilising the Scouts into some of Britain’s hardest to reach areas.

With scout numbers having swelled by an unprecedented 43 per cent to 638,000 under his leadership, Grylls believes growing demand from Muslim communities could help in the fight against radicalisation.

“We have hundreds of mosques every week, reaching out, asking, ‘Can we start up groups?’

“MI5 is spending resources to stem the blood but we’re saying, ‘Don’t create the wound’. That’s why we have the mosques coming to us. They’re saying: ‘Hold on, we can see that you’re providing hope, purpose, pride, British values, sense of discipline. All the things that ISIS give people, but for good, not bad. Come and speak to our youths.”

Insisting the Scouts are providing “a positive alternative to kids joining gangs”, he adds: “It’s what I was saying about the young, Muslim kids in this country. If you don’t give them something good, they go to the bad.”…

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  1. Keith says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 8:19 am

    Didn’t Hitler and the Nazis co-opt the scout movement in Germany when he first came to power?
    Well those mosques that he claims are coming to him could be trying to have scouts with an Islamic flavour so all they are doing is something that the rest of the country would see as good whilst hiding their true teachings behind a reputable organisation.

    • Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

      Dec 9, 2018 at 8:37 am

      “Didn’t Hitler and the Nazis co-opt the scout movement in Germany when he first came to power?”

      No, no co-opting, but suppressing. According to
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_and_Guiding_in_Germany ,
      “German Scouting flourished until 1934-35, when nearly all associations were closed and their members had to join the Hitler Youth.”

    • Wyewye says

      Dec 9, 2018 at 8:43 am

      I completely agree with Keith. “Look the part” is all they will do. 1400 years, hijra …. all coming together in the end.

  2. mgoldberg says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 8:27 am

    twenty years ago, I remember that handless murdering Jihadist- I can’t remember his name. He’s in a US prison now but he was blown up by one of his own bombs if I remember causing his one blind milky eye and hooked hand. He was urging all muslim boys to learn martial arts, to get strong and learn how to overcome the kaffir.
    This is the kind of values that will be instilled by the ‘discipline’ of such as Bear Grylls and scouts. They will simply take the part about pride, unity, group mechanics, discipline and put it into the muslim context and that will never be discussed by them, and certainly not with non muslims. the above comment about nazi’s using scouts, and also communists likewise- it’s all the same scenario. Bear is a fine fellow and talented and motivated. He’s a loving father, husband, adventurer, sportsmen, outdoorsmen challenging himself. He will I imagine be startled at the depths of hatred under the skin of Islam and he won’t understand how it came about.

    • Riky says

      Dec 9, 2018 at 10:47 pm

      Well said

    • Culture will die says

      Dec 10, 2018 at 8:08 pm

      In Germany even 30 years ago Boxclubs were full of Turks.Today also even MMA and Kickboxing had Arab Champions,als some have training centers.

      I saw an Ex-Worldchampion who posted a photo from Mecca with the Salafist 1 Finger.
      Also Idiots gave criminals FREE TRAINING in Boxing payed by the state!Always Fightsports!Why never Tennis?Swimming?

      Also Krav Maga Clubs are full of Muslims.

  3. Jameson says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 8:36 am

    Naïve infidels must grasp the simple reality that there is quite literally nothing, nothing in the whole wide universe, that should the infidel choose to sell, give, teach or even force upon the Muslims, including for instance, mathematics, science of any kind, forms of government, nuclear technology, armaments, skills of any type, computers, literally ANY THING, CONCEPT or METHOD, the Muslims will eventually use ALL of those without exception FOR THE FURTHERANCE OF THE JIHAD which includes, unfortunately for the infidel, the total destruction of the infidel’s way of life, government, civilization and religion.

    Give them a hammer and they will not use it to hammer a nail to build something useful, they will use it to smash your head in. Teach them the industrious Scouting way? You cannot imagine what they will be able to do with that.

  4. Lisa Danielle Letto says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 8:49 am

    What’s next? The YMCA? (Now Ive found that The Salvation Army is pro-illegal immigrant)

  5. Indiana Tom says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 8:53 am

    Grylls’ picture of mosque leaders trying to find ways to instill British values into young Muslims is not quite credible.
    His crap Chinese made Gerber Bear Grylls knives are not quite credible either.
    The true meaning of fear is being caught in a survival situation with a Bear Grylls survival knife.

  6. alex Reid says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 8:56 am

    Pathetic Libtard pandering! I have relatives who are ScoutMasters in England & they’ve seen the changes in their area with the Scouts. All of it bad. They’ve not come to integrate but to subjugate. Absolutely pathetic. There aim is slavery for the indigenous population.

  7. Anjuli Pandavar says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 8:57 am

    Bear Grylls is showing the same vanity and susceptibility to flattery as priests and rabbis when imam’s come calling saying, “Hey, let’s be brothers. We can all learn to love and respect one another and live in peace.”

  8. Benedict says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 9:06 am

    “Duty to God” is (was?) a principle of Scouting in the English speaking world. If this principle is subverted to “Duty to Allah” the kids are doing exactly what this scouting was supposed to counter: joining a gang.

    • Jayell says

      Dec 9, 2018 at 9:55 am

      “Duty to Allah” – sorry, mate, it’s already happened. See my post below.

  9. Bob Smyth says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 9:08 am

    Many of the “principles” and “values” of the Scouts DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the Qur’an, Hadiths and Sira.

    One wonders whether the “mosque leaders” ACTUALLY have DIFFERENT objectives?

    Turning the Scouts into an Islamic version of the Hitler Youth.

    With training and badges for “jihadi” and “suicide bomber”.

  10. Jayell says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 9:54 am

    “German Scouting flourished until 1934-35, when nearly all associations were closed and their members had to join the Hitler Youth.”….

    But in the 2018 re-run, UK-style, the Scouting movement now becomes the new, re-vamped, Sharia-compliant islamic (proto-Nazi) youth. The rot actually set in before the millenium, when the new islamic scout groups were first allowed to swear to Allah. Now, let’s all wait for the first muslim Chief Scout.

  11. mortimer says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 10:11 am

    Islam contradicts the spirit of scouting which teaches universal good will. Scouts vow to ‘help other people at all times …’ Islam doesn’t teach that. Nonetheless, it is a good thing to inculcate this vow in young Muslims. Unfortunately, they will think no further about it and assume that helping others … the Golden Rule is Islamic … is part of Islam, which it is not. A Muslim is supposed to avoid kafirs and never help them … to be ‘cleansed’ (baraa) from association with the dirty kafirs. Helping kafirs means helping sinners and enemies of Allah. Muslims are not supposed to help the kafirs get stronger.

    This is the normative Islam that mullahs teach:

    ‘Baraa’ is HATRED directed towards Kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’…Al Bughoud or Al Mu’adaat (hatred) is the opposite of Al Muwalaat (love towards Muslims). Baraa is:
    – To Hate
    – To keep distance from
    – To be enemy to
    – To desert
    – To decline to help
    – To disrespect
    – To put down
    – Not to ally with
    – Not to support

    Allah ordered Muslims to have Baraa (to be cleansed) from the dirty kufaar and from kufr and shirk.

    -Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed (Islamic faith) and act upon it, and yet not be HOSTILE against the mushrikeen (i.e. wrong worshippers). So anyone who isn’t HOSTILE against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]

  12. Paul says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 11:40 am

    Bear Grylls is a bit of a joke in the UK as he has faked some of his hard man stuff.

    I’d like to see him survive a month on the streets of London, everybody against you. Your only companions lunatics and drug addicts.

    Look at whats in front of you. We are being invaded by those who wish to subject and oppress us.
    We have the proof-its in front of our eyes.

    Paul

  13. TWG says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    Subjugation is what this is about.

    And let’s just imagine what all those jihadis will do to the little girls, pretending to be boy scouts……..

    • jayell says

      Dec 9, 2018 at 3:55 pm

      And, of course, they’ve got girls in the scouts now!

  14. FYI says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    They’ll need new Merit badges..

    Junior Jihadi,islamic activity weekends,infidel hunting,taqqiya-muruna achievement,Throwing Israelis and Jews down the well{sponsored by the Leftie-“palestine” alliance},Christian Cross breaking activity,Navigation skills{using allah’s knowledge of astronomy in his koran,not modern boko-haram infidel Science},Making a Fire{using materials ransacked from Hindu or Buddhist Temples},halal butchery award……how to make I.E.D’s with wood and rocks..

    Be Prepared!
    {scout motto}.

    • Ed says

      Dec 10, 2018 at 12:27 pm

      Oh, hell. You beat me to the comment on proficiency badges! Well done!

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 10, 2018 at 8:43 pm

      Grimly hilarious.

  15. gravenimage says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 9:12 pm

    UK Scouts leader Bear Grylls says mosques tell him that Scouts offer “all ISIS gives people, but for good, not bad”
    ………………….

    How about the Hitler Youth?

    I’m worried about Muslims taking over the Scouts. They’ve been imposing headscarves already.

  16. loki says

    Dec 9, 2018 at 10:38 pm

    UK Scouts will be so easy to turn into another muslim front group. Like taking candy from a baby.

  17. infidel says

    Dec 10, 2018 at 6:10 am

    What a naive idiot? Is is not better for him to stick to his DISCOVERY CHANNEL and do what he does best.

  18. Raja says

    Dec 10, 2018 at 10:41 am

    This is another scheme of Islam to deceive the West that they are all for assimilation with the baton/threat that this “Opportunity” if shunned will encourage more Muslims to join Jihad.

    This is Islamic arm-twisting and is West’s own making because of political correctness – What a tragedy!!!

    Why can’t any sensible leader/group or man say: No, Thanks?

  19. Ed says

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    Boggles the mind how Baden-Powell’s “Grand Howl” could be Islamized. . . “Allah kill yah! . . . ”

    (The original instructions for the Grand Howl, described by Vera Barclay and Baden-Powell in The Wolf Cub’s Handbook.)

    Scouter: “Pack – Pack – Pack!” This calls the Cubs into a Parade Circle.
    The Cubs reply as they run to their places in the circle.

    Cubs: “Pack!”
    As the Scouter enters the circle, the Cubs squat down on their heels with their “fore paws” on the ground between their feet and their knees out on either side.

    Cubs: “Ah-kay-la! We-e-e-e-ll do-o-o-o o-o-o-u-u-r BEST!” On the word “BEST”, the Cubs jump to their feet with two fingers of each hand at the sides of their heads, to resemble a wolf’s ears.
    A Sixer: “Dyb – dyb – dyb -dyb” The word “dyb” means “Do Your Best” which is the first part of the Cub Promise and was the original Wolf Cub motto.
    On the fourth “dyb”, the Cubs lower their left hands and the fingers of their right hands extend to form the Wolf Cub salute.

    Cubs: “We-e-e-e-ll dob-dob-dob-dob”, meaning “We’ll do our best”.

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