Yesterday David Wood and I got together to discuss the Sharia-compliance of Patreon and MasterCard, and the useful idiots who protect jihad from criticism.
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Eric Thekafirsays
Great show guys!!! Sad how Patreon can just pull your account without “due process.” Facebook does it all the time.
mortimersays
Robert Spencer said, ‘Our leaders today are willfully ignorant and clueless about jihad.’
Truer words were never spoken.
In self-righteous smugness, many of the West’s leaders PONTIFICATE about a mythical, tolerant Islam they want to exist (but does not exist).
Islam is a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY of CONQUEST, EXTORTION, ENSLAVEMENT, CHATTEL SERVITUDE, SECOND-CLASS CITIZENSHIP, FEMALE SEGREGATION and RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION. How do our leaders not see these is normative Islam, rather than aberrations.
Mortimer….those ten words spoken by Robert ARE more factual than than anything put out there by our so called leaders today. But if things keep on the path they are headed..those words could get one jailed and banned from everything. Being banned from FREE SPEECH would be worse than being banned from….say..Twitter, …Facebook and such. DEAR GOD…PLEASE SAVE US FROM OURSELVES!
mortimersays
SPLC is “SELECTIVE” in the way they apply their criteria. This is a form of ‘MOVING THE GOAL POSTS’.
If SPLC is unable to apply its criteria universally, then the their criteria are not valid.
SPLC is a neo-Marxist think tank trying to IMPOSE THEIR NEO-MARXIST AGENDA and censor criticism of their agenda.
Prebangiansays
Lawfare against the organizations that “deplatform” is the only and necessary answer.
gravenimagesays
Video: David Wood and Robert Spencer on Patreon, MasterCard, and Useful Idiots for Jihad
…………….
Even when the subject is grim, it is obvious that David Wood and Robert Spencer are having a fun time together. Great to see.
Lydia Churchsays
Warning: Holocaust ahead!
This is what I’m talking about.
Things people think could never be.
It just ‘couldn’t happen.’
Oh no, that ‘will never happen.’
It just ‘doesn’t make sense.’
People simply ‘won’t go for that.’
We have laws.
We have the Constitution.
We have human rights.
We have civilized society.
We have humaneness and decency and morality…
don’t we?
And in a place just like that….
we had the Holocaust.
How could this happen?
How could this be?!
People ask, wondering, scratching their heads…
In a place totally civilized, it could have been you…
it could have been me…
But surely….. never again!
As the saying now goes…
at least not in ‘Mayberry’
they claim.
But it started again anyway.
Here a little… there a little…
just like before.
But… but… they can’t do that!
Just, just, fight it by imploring reason!
Cite the Constitution!
Raise a lawsuit!
But the tide has already turned…
and it is too late.
The pendulum has swung…
and fate was sealed
by those pulling the strings
high up in the shadows
far above the stage
as they glance sideways at one another and wink
“sh!!!” is all you hear
the time is almost near
another pull here… another tug there…
and it will all be in place!
As history repeats itself…
again.
gravenimagesays
Some of us are fighting back–not calling for surrender.
Renatesays
It’s just disgraceful to malign Robert Spencer or any of his associates. These are all people who care about freedom. All you have to do is listen to them to see that not one of them is a “racist”, “bigot”, “islamophobe”, or any of the other names the Left wants to throw at them.
The awful truthsays
Tangential to this but not unrelated, this bolsters my case for ditching my MasterCard credit card and getting another one.
RchardLsays
I have used my MasterCard to buy the History of Jihad a week ago.
scheradosays
Look at what we have: the truth about the stated motivations of Anders Breivik, had he been killed, would have made him a martyr.
ConnectingDotssays
Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin are planning to build an alternative to Patreon.
Mr spencer, confused devil wood cannot help in your campaigns of lies and hate against Islam and Muslims because he does not even know how to lie like you. I watched a debate where devil wood was demolished flatly by Dr shabir Ally from Canada on the topic “how Jesus became the divine son of God? “.In debate , devil wood tried to justify pagan doctrine of divinity of Jesus from the Quran where Allah says “let people of the book judge with what Allah revealed to them “,not knowing that other verses of the Quran specifically pinpointed the doctrine of divine sonship to be paganic smuggled into the traces of what Jesus actually taught confirmed by the Quran. Note:Quranic verses cannot be interpreted in isolation from others. when Allah says “fihi hudan (there is guidance in it, ie Christian and jewish scriptures )”,your have to ask a question “all what they contained? “.you can get answer to this question by reference to other Quranic verses like those rejecting divine sonship of Jesus and conclude that mithraist christian and jewish scriptures consist of guidance and misguidance.
Briansays
No matter what verse you quote from the Koran it is useless, the Koran is Gods words changed with a few added touches of the Evil Mohammad of Islam, Revelation makes it perfectly clear what will happen to any man who tries to change Gods final words in the Bible and Mohammad clearly used biblical accounts and changed them
gravenimagesays
What ibrahim itace muhammed is on about here is the Islamic claim that Gospels were “corrupted” by Christians. They hold that everything that is good and decent–like loving your neighbor and the Golden Rule–were added by Christians and Jews, and that the Torah and Gospels were originally as savage and ugly as the Qur’an.
Brian, the mithraist biblical verses supporting divine sonship of Jesus and promoting him to the status of God himself , especially John ,rejected by the Quran, has been found to be a marginal note smuggled into the text by Eminent mithraist christian scholars backed by 50 denominations as fabrication originated from pagan mystics inspired by the satan you call Holy Spirit, and expunged from the “New revised standard version “.Are you still insisting on forged doctrine of divinity of Jesus? when you die, you will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire burning forever together with the satan you call Holy Spirit who misleads you ,while Jesus who never taught that rubbish will be in perfect .Beware!!
FYIsays
“Beware?”
Of allah, your fake demon god?
allah the champion deceiver?k3:54
The god of islam who MISSED the 2 chief commandments?
The god of islam who thinks Moses and Jesus{Jews}are muslims?
The god of islam who CURSES Jews and Christians simply for being Jews and Christians?koran 9:30
The god of islam who doesn’t understand Theology{thinks Mary is part of the Trinity,Christians are polyrheists…they are NOT}?koran 4:171
The god of islam who doesn’t understand Physics or Astronomy..he thinks the moon is a lamp and the stars are “missiles for the devils”.. and ants can talk?
The god whose false prophet muhammed was a cross-dresser,rode a magical winged flying horse with a woman’s head{buraq} that no muslim has EVER seen..and split the moon in half which NOBODY SAW?
The god of islam who is so linguistically challenged,he only knows Arabic?
Beware yourself itace muhammrd:remember,for future reference, that I told you you’ll be biting your tongue out when you see your master..you won’t get the reference of course but I’m actually looking forward to the chastisement when the demonic,putrid,filth of islam,satan’s own murder cult is annihilated>you have clearly decided what path you will take..you already have the mark of the beast..
If you were in any way a morally good person you would have come to the Truth by now:that allah is NOT the Biblical God.You deny it because you PREFER to be evil.
You and your islamic kind..
“..Will perish because they did not LOVE and WELCOME the truth so as to be saved.And so God sends the power of error to work in them so they believe what is FASLE”
2 thessalonians 2 v 10-11
Since you HATE God’s truth with your demonic islam,you are given over to the power of error so you believe the lies of islam:you have chosen your fate!
How you will howl for your “allah” to come save you….!!
You will remember this….
Beware yourself!
You are a most useful idiot.
Briansays
“holy spirit” is in the Koran you idiot, BEWARE!!!
Brian, divine sonship of Jesus and promoting him to the status of God himself in John rejected by the Quran has been found to be a marginal note smuggled into the text by Eminent mithraist christian scholars backed by 50 mithraist christian denominations as fabrication and expunged from the “New standard revised version “.Are you still insisting on forged doctrine of divinity of Jesus which originated from pagan mystics inspired by the satan you call Holy Spirit ? on the day of ressurection, you and your satan pagan god will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire burning forever, while Jesus who never taught that rubbish will be in perfect peace. Beware!!
eduardo odraudesays
The Arab Human Rights Report, written by Arabs, calculated that a small country like Spain translated more books into Spanish every single year than the whole Islamic world had translated into Arabic in 1000 years. The Islamic world is a swamp of bottomless ignorance, why? Because the attitude on the whole promoted by the core Islamic texts is that if a book’s contents are not already contained in the core texts of Islam, then that book is worthless, and if the book repeats what is already in the core texts of Islam, then that book is superfluous and unnecessary. All that is needed are the core texts of Islam. This is basically the view, for example, of Boko Haram, which means something like “[non-Islamic] books are forbidden”. There are of course educated and intelligent Muslims who get that way because they ignore the totalitarian commands of Muhammad and are not serious Muslims.
eduardo odraudesays
By “get that way,” I meant “get educated and intelligent”.
Briansays
Boko Haram=Western education forbidden
eduardo odraudesays
Ibrahim Itace writes
“…has been found…”
Weasel words by someone who does not know or can’t remember by whom it “has been found”. Has been found by whom? Give us your sources so we can examine them.
What? What’s that? You don’t have any sources? You were just citing some imam spouting off in some backwater Middle Eastern nation where they believe the darndest things?
Instead of saying “it has been found,” why don’t you tell us who and where they wrote about that, so we can examine your evidence.
What? What’s that? You don’t want us to examine your evidence, because we’ll discover with a bit of critical thought that your evidence collapses like a five thousand year old mummy does when the slightest touch is applied?
Ibrahim Itace, do you know the status of hearsay? It’s just rumor, gossip. That’s all you are offering, your silly gossip and no scholarly sources. Because you know it is just gossip.
The “useful idiots” about Islam are scared out of their wits by Islam. That is why they resufe to recognize its dangers. A few, like boxers and football players, are brain damaged by chronic concussion trauma and cannot think clearly, whether they are scared or not.
gravenimagesays
What Christians are supposedly in agreement with Muslims about Jesus?
Ibrahim itace muhammed has made this ludicrous claim before.
eduardo odraudesays
When you point out to people that Islam is an expansionist totalitarian ideology spreading into Europe and already beginning to have dire effects on freedom of speech and freedom of religion, too many people always seem to think that the only solution Islam-critics have in mind is something like “kill them all.” From that, normal people conclude that, since they don’t want to become genocidal maniacs, they should put their head in the sand about Islamic totalitarianism and refuse to consider the evidence. Because if one considers facts that might turn out to be too horrifying (like those Neville Chamberlain did not want to acknowledge), well, then, it is assumed we will have no choice but to become genocidal maniacs toward Muslims. After all, only troglodyte rednecks criticize Islam, right?
But how will you ever come up with a moderate, least bad, most humane responses (such as limiting further Muslim immigration until such time as a majority of Muslim-majority nations protect freedom of speech and freedom of religion) — how will you come up with a moderate strategic response if you refuse to even look at any evidence of the threat the spread of Islam poses to open societies, notably to Europe?
Before one can formulate any kind of least bad, most humane, strategy, one must be willing to at least look at facts, not turn away from some of them simply because they are too uncomfortable.
There is a lesson from the above. When telling people about the totalitarian character of Islam, the first thing to say, before saying anything else, is about a moderate strategy — Muslims already citizens should have the same rights as everyone else, but further immigration of Muslims into non-Muslim nations should be stopped until a majority of Muslim-majority nations protect freedom of speech and religion. One should point out that many Muslims are innocent about that — though the Muslim leadership is NOT innocent, and the totalitarianism is central to the core texts of Islam and the earliest Muslim biographies of Muhammad.
gravenimagesays
True, Eduardo–this is absurd, but very common.
Briansays
Muslims are not allowed to follow any constitution except the one they believe is from God…
revereridesagainsays
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Eric Thekafir says
Great show guys!!! Sad how Patreon can just pull your account without “due process.” Facebook does it all the time.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer said, ‘Our leaders today are willfully ignorant and clueless about jihad.’
Truer words were never spoken.
In self-righteous smugness, many of the West’s leaders PONTIFICATE about a mythical, tolerant Islam they want to exist (but does not exist).
Islam is a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY of CONQUEST, EXTORTION, ENSLAVEMENT, CHATTEL SERVITUDE, SECOND-CLASS CITIZENSHIP, FEMALE SEGREGATION and RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION. How do our leaders not see these is normative Islam, rather than aberrations.
stuart grice says
None so blind as those that don’t wish to see
J D S says
Mortimer….those ten words spoken by Robert ARE more factual than than anything put out there by our so called leaders today. But if things keep on the path they are headed..those words could get one jailed and banned from everything. Being banned from FREE SPEECH would be worse than being banned from….say..Twitter, …Facebook and such. DEAR GOD…PLEASE SAVE US FROM OURSELVES!
mortimer says
SPLC is “SELECTIVE” in the way they apply their criteria. This is a form of ‘MOVING THE GOAL POSTS’.
If SPLC is unable to apply its criteria universally, then the their criteria are not valid.
SPLC is a neo-Marxist think tank trying to IMPOSE THEIR NEO-MARXIST AGENDA and censor criticism of their agenda.
Prebangian says
Lawfare against the organizations that “deplatform” is the only and necessary answer.
gravenimage says
Video: David Wood and Robert Spencer on Patreon, MasterCard, and Useful Idiots for Jihad
…………….
Even when the subject is grim, it is obvious that David Wood and Robert Spencer are having a fun time together. Great to see.
Lydia Church says
Warning: Holocaust ahead!
This is what I’m talking about.
Things people think could never be.
It just ‘couldn’t happen.’
Oh no, that ‘will never happen.’
It just ‘doesn’t make sense.’
People simply ‘won’t go for that.’
We have laws.
We have the Constitution.
We have human rights.
We have civilized society.
We have humaneness and decency and morality…
don’t we?
And in a place just like that….
we had the Holocaust.
How could this happen?
How could this be?!
People ask, wondering, scratching their heads…
In a place totally civilized, it could have been you…
it could have been me…
But surely….. never again!
As the saying now goes…
at least not in ‘Mayberry’
they claim.
But it started again anyway.
Here a little… there a little…
just like before.
But… but… they can’t do that!
Just, just, fight it by imploring reason!
Cite the Constitution!
Raise a lawsuit!
But the tide has already turned…
and it is too late.
The pendulum has swung…
and fate was sealed
by those pulling the strings
high up in the shadows
far above the stage
as they glance sideways at one another and wink
“sh!!!” is all you hear
the time is almost near
another pull here… another tug there…
and it will all be in place!
As history repeats itself…
again.
gravenimage says
Some of us are fighting back–not calling for surrender.
Renate says
It’s just disgraceful to malign Robert Spencer or any of his associates. These are all people who care about freedom. All you have to do is listen to them to see that not one of them is a “racist”, “bigot”, “islamophobe”, or any of the other names the Left wants to throw at them.
The awful truth says
Tangential to this but not unrelated, this bolsters my case for ditching my MasterCard credit card and getting another one.
RchardL says
I have used my MasterCard to buy the History of Jihad a week ago.
scherado says
Look at what we have: the truth about the stated motivations of Anders Breivik, had he been killed, would have made him a martyr.
ConnectingDots says
Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin are planning to build an alternative to Patreon.
http: // thefederalist .com/2018/12/21/jordan-peterson-dave-rubin-plan-new-site-in-response-to-illiberal-ban/
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr spencer, confused devil wood cannot help in your campaigns of lies and hate against Islam and Muslims because he does not even know how to lie like you. I watched a debate where devil wood was demolished flatly by Dr shabir Ally from Canada on the topic “how Jesus became the divine son of God? “.In debate , devil wood tried to justify pagan doctrine of divinity of Jesus from the Quran where Allah says “let people of the book judge with what Allah revealed to them “,not knowing that other verses of the Quran specifically pinpointed the doctrine of divine sonship to be paganic smuggled into the traces of what Jesus actually taught confirmed by the Quran. Note:Quranic verses cannot be interpreted in isolation from others. when Allah says “fihi hudan (there is guidance in it, ie Christian and jewish scriptures )”,your have to ask a question “all what they contained? “.you can get answer to this question by reference to other Quranic verses like those rejecting divine sonship of Jesus and conclude that mithraist christian and jewish scriptures consist of guidance and misguidance.
Brian says
No matter what verse you quote from the Koran it is useless, the Koran is Gods words changed with a few added touches of the Evil Mohammad of Islam, Revelation makes it perfectly clear what will happen to any man who tries to change Gods final words in the Bible and Mohammad clearly used biblical accounts and changed them
gravenimage says
What ibrahim itace muhammed is on about here is the Islamic claim that Gospels were “corrupted” by Christians. They hold that everything that is good and decent–like loving your neighbor and the Golden Rule–were added by Christians and Jews, and that the Torah and Gospels were originally as savage and ugly as the Qur’an.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Brian, the mithraist biblical verses supporting divine sonship of Jesus and promoting him to the status of God himself , especially John ,rejected by the Quran, has been found to be a marginal note smuggled into the text by Eminent mithraist christian scholars backed by 50 denominations as fabrication originated from pagan mystics inspired by the satan you call Holy Spirit, and expunged from the “New revised standard version “.Are you still insisting on forged doctrine of divinity of Jesus? when you die, you will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire burning forever together with the satan you call Holy Spirit who misleads you ,while Jesus who never taught that rubbish will be in perfect .Beware!!
FYI says
“Beware?”
Of allah, your fake demon god?
allah the champion deceiver?k3:54
The god of islam who MISSED the 2 chief commandments?
The god of islam who thinks Moses and Jesus{Jews}are muslims?
The god of islam who CURSES Jews and Christians simply for being Jews and Christians?koran 9:30
The god of islam who doesn’t understand Theology{thinks Mary is part of the Trinity,Christians are polyrheists…they are NOT}?koran 4:171
The god of islam who doesn’t understand Physics or Astronomy..he thinks the moon is a lamp and the stars are “missiles for the devils”.. and ants can talk?
The god whose false prophet muhammed was a cross-dresser,rode a magical winged flying horse with a woman’s head{buraq} that no muslim has EVER seen..and split the moon in half which NOBODY SAW?
The god of islam who is so linguistically challenged,he only knows Arabic?
Beware yourself itace muhammrd:remember,for future reference, that I told you you’ll be biting your tongue out when you see your master..you won’t get the reference of course but I’m actually looking forward to the chastisement when the demonic,putrid,filth of islam,satan’s own murder cult is annihilated>you have clearly decided what path you will take..you already have the mark of the beast..
If you were in any way a morally good person you would have come to the Truth by now:that allah is NOT the Biblical God.You deny it because you PREFER to be evil.
You and your islamic kind..
“..Will perish because they did not LOVE and WELCOME the truth so as to be saved.And so God sends the power of error to work in them so they believe what is FASLE”
2 thessalonians 2 v 10-11
Since you HATE God’s truth with your demonic islam,you are given over to the power of error so you believe the lies of islam:you have chosen your fate!
How you will howl for your “allah” to come save you….!!
You will remember this….
Beware yourself!
You are a most useful idiot.
Brian says
“holy spirit” is in the Koran you idiot, BEWARE!!!
ibrahimitace673@gmail.com says
Brian, divine sonship of Jesus and promoting him to the status of God himself in John rejected by the Quran has been found to be a marginal note smuggled into the text by Eminent mithraist christian scholars backed by 50 mithraist christian denominations as fabrication and expunged from the “New standard revised version “.Are you still insisting on forged doctrine of divinity of Jesus which originated from pagan mystics inspired by the satan you call Holy Spirit ? on the day of ressurection, you and your satan pagan god will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire burning forever, while Jesus who never taught that rubbish will be in perfect peace. Beware!!
eduardo odraude says
The Arab Human Rights Report, written by Arabs, calculated that a small country like Spain translated more books into Spanish every single year than the whole Islamic world had translated into Arabic in 1000 years. The Islamic world is a swamp of bottomless ignorance, why? Because the attitude on the whole promoted by the core Islamic texts is that if a book’s contents are not already contained in the core texts of Islam, then that book is worthless, and if the book repeats what is already in the core texts of Islam, then that book is superfluous and unnecessary. All that is needed are the core texts of Islam. This is basically the view, for example, of Boko Haram, which means something like “[non-Islamic] books are forbidden”. There are of course educated and intelligent Muslims who get that way because they ignore the totalitarian commands of Muhammad and are not serious Muslims.
eduardo odraude says
By “get that way,” I meant “get educated and intelligent”.
Brian says
Boko Haram=Western education forbidden
eduardo odraude says
Ibrahim Itace writes
“…has been found…”
Weasel words by someone who does not know or can’t remember by whom it “has been found”. Has been found by whom? Give us your sources so we can examine them.
What? What’s that? You don’t have any sources? You were just citing some imam spouting off in some backwater Middle Eastern nation where they believe the darndest things?
Instead of saying “it has been found,” why don’t you tell us who and where they wrote about that, so we can examine your evidence.
What? What’s that? You don’t want us to examine your evidence, because we’ll discover with a bit of critical thought that your evidence collapses like a five thousand year old mummy does when the slightest touch is applied?
Ibrahim Itace, do you know the status of hearsay? It’s just rumor, gossip. That’s all you are offering, your silly gossip and no scholarly sources. Because you know it is just gossip.
gravenimage says
+1
Ralph says
The “useful idiots” about Islam are scared out of their wits by Islam. That is why they resufe to recognize its dangers. A few, like boxers and football players, are brain damaged by chronic concussion trauma and cannot think clearly, whether they are scared or not.
gravenimage says
What Christians are supposedly in agreement with Muslims about Jesus?
Ibrahim itace muhammed has made this ludicrous claim before.
eduardo odraude says
When you point out to people that Islam is an expansionist totalitarian ideology spreading into Europe and already beginning to have dire effects on freedom of speech and freedom of religion, too many people always seem to think that the only solution Islam-critics have in mind is something like “kill them all.” From that, normal people conclude that, since they don’t want to become genocidal maniacs, they should put their head in the sand about Islamic totalitarianism and refuse to consider the evidence. Because if one considers facts that might turn out to be too horrifying (like those Neville Chamberlain did not want to acknowledge), well, then, it is assumed we will have no choice but to become genocidal maniacs toward Muslims. After all, only troglodyte rednecks criticize Islam, right?
But how will you ever come up with a moderate, least bad, most humane responses (such as limiting further Muslim immigration until such time as a majority of Muslim-majority nations protect freedom of speech and freedom of religion) — how will you come up with a moderate strategic response if you refuse to even look at any evidence of the threat the spread of Islam poses to open societies, notably to Europe?
Before one can formulate any kind of least bad, most humane, strategy, one must be willing to at least look at facts, not turn away from some of them simply because they are too uncomfortable.
There is a lesson from the above. When telling people about the totalitarian character of Islam, the first thing to say, before saying anything else, is about a moderate strategy — Muslims already citizens should have the same rights as everyone else, but further immigration of Muslims into non-Muslim nations should be stopped until a majority of Muslim-majority nations protect freedom of speech and religion. One should point out that many Muslims are innocent about that — though the Muslim leadership is NOT innocent, and the totalitarianism is central to the core texts of Islam and the earliest Muslim biographies of Muhammad.
gravenimage says
True, Eduardo–this is absurd, but very common.
Brian says
Muslims are not allowed to follow any constitution except the one they believe is from God…
revereridesagain says
Patreon’s writing a song sequel: “Look What Mastercard Made Us Do!”