I don’t generally use the word “Islamist” myself, as it is too often used in order to establish some artificial distance between aggressive, violent, imperialist and supremacist political Islam and a supposedly benign ordinary Islam. But in every other respect, Said Shoaib and Hamed Abdel-Samad say in this important interview things that I have said for years: that Western politicians who make pronouncements about Islam are naive and ignorant, that charges of “Islamophobia” are used in order to mask an insidious agenda, and that Islamic supremacists and jihadis aim to destroy Western civilization, as the Muslim Brotherhood stated in a captured internal document.
Are Said Shoaib and Hamed Abdel-Samad “ignorant Islamophobes”? Are they “racist bigots”? Or do they speak unwelcome truths that are no less true for being unwelcome?
“Egyptian-Canadian Writer Said Shoaib: Western Imams Who Praise Islamic Caliphate Are Terrorists; Western Politicians Don’t Know What is Really Being Taught in Western Mosques,” MEMRI, January 14, 2019:
During an interview with German-Egyptian political scientist and author Hamed Abdel-Samad that was uploaded to Abdel-Samad’s YouTube channel on January 14, 2019, Egyptian-Canadian writer Said Shoaib said that imams in the West embrace colonialist Islam and deceive Westerners by talking about the “greatness of the Islamic caliphate”. He said that these things constitute a form of terrorism that might become armed terrorism should the opportunity present itself, and that the West has failed to realize this. Shoaib explained that this form of Islamism is being taught in mosques and in Islamic schools throughout the West, and that the natural course of such education is terrorism. Hamed Abdel-Samad added that the same Muslims who show enmity to other religions in their home countries come to the West and criticize Christians, Jews, the West, and secularism while demanding that nobody criticizes Islam. Abdel-Samad also said that the Canadian government is naïve, and he criticized Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s “romantic” fantasy that everybody should “hold hands and hug and kiss one another.” Abdel-Samad said that Trudeau doesn’t know what is really being taught in Canadian mosques and Shohaib said that Western politicians don’t know anything about Islam. Shohaib said that “a lot of blood will be shed here in the West”, and that if Western politicians fail to stop the terrorist “wave” in the West, ordinary citizens will become more inclined to elect increasingly “extreme” leaders. He added: “The main plan of the Islamists is to destroy Western civilization. They have said it themselves!”
Following are excerpts:
Said Shoaib: The imams here do something that deceives many people, especially in the West. They talk, for example, about the greatness of the Islamic caliphate. Does this constitute terrorism? It does. The [Westerners] do not realize that this is terrorism. When you embrace the notion of a colonialist Islam that raids nations, takes them over, and controls them – you are a terrorist. You are an unarmed terrorist, until the opportunity presents itself…
[…]
I sent my Arabic books that are against political Islam to a library here [in Canada]. I was happy to find here a book of mine, which had nothing to do with Islam. I wanted to donate my books to them because they had just opened up. So I gave them two books against political Islam, but that public library rejected them. They sent me formal mail…
Hamed Abdel-Samad: They probably cited “Islamophobia”…
Said Shoaib: They told me that my books are in violation of Canadian values.
Hamed Abdel-Samad: These values welcomes violent Islam but reject criticism of political Islam?
Said Shoaib: I take a stand against people who hate Canada and want to destroy it. These people have stated that this is their intention. They even said so in books that this library approved, can you believe that? A normal Muslim – whether he was born here or whether he immigrated – has no alternative form of Islam. You find this form of Islam in the mosques, in the sermons… This is the form of Islam that you see in the Islamic schools here. I did not send my daughters to Islamic schools here, out of fear. They conceal their curricula, force young girls to war the hijab, and so on… If a Muslim here does not become a terrorist, he must be a great man. We should thank him for being a good, peace-loving human being, because the natural course of events is for him to become a terrorist.
[…]
Hamed Abdel-Samad: A strange thing is that when these people lived in their countries of origin, they did not allow the Christians to build churches, they despised the Christians and the Baha’is, and they did not help people of other religions with their rights. But when they come to the West, they not only demand their right to worship, and their right to practice their religious rites freely, but they also demand that no one criticize their religion. Here in Canada, they audaciously criticize the Christians, the Jews, the West, and secularism… There is no such thing as “secular-phobia”… There is no “Christian-phobia”…
Said Shoaib: And no “Zoroastrian-phobia.” This was invented by the Islamists.
Hamed Abdel-Samad: The problem is that the Islamists are the people most contemptuous of other religions.
Said Shoaib: Yes, of course.
Hamed Abdel-Samad: But when they come here, they want a law to prevent criticism of their religion. Another strange things is that a naïve government like the Canadian one… I know I am a guest here, but I say what I think everywhere… The prime minister of this naïve government [Justin Trudeau] is very strange. According to his naïve and romantic fantasy, everybody should hold hands and hug and kiss one another. Yet he does not know what these people teach in their mosques.
Said Shoaib: I am baffled by the Canadian politicians who talk about Islam. They don’t know Islam. If you want to learn about Islam, you can ask us. Do not ask just people of one type. Another big mistake in Canada and the West is that representatives of the Muslim [community] are the Islamists.
[…]
A lot of blood will be shed here in the West, and the Muslims will pay the price. They will be number one… If the politicians in the West do not know how to stop this [terrorist] wave, the ordinary Westerners will choose the most extremist [leader]. There are indications for that. Trump has won in America. The Conservative party has won the government of Ontario. More extreme people are yet to come. If today’s politicians fail to provide security for the people in the West, they will take matters into their own hands. And who will be the victims? The normal Muslims who have nothing to do with this.
[…]
The main plan of the Islamists is to destroy Western civilization. They said so themselves!
christianblood says
What is so shocking is that this Arab expert of political Islam who knows the culture of political Islam through and through gave his two books on political Islam to Canadian Libraries and they rejected them and called him an Islamophobe!
This is another sign that the hollywoodized, Anti-Christ, postmodernist West loves Islamists, including islamic jihadists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ROQDscaJw
gravenimage says
But christianblood himself regularly says that he wants to see Muslims conquer and destroy the West. He is in perfect agreement with the Jihadists.
Warrenraymond99@gmail.com says
I find it disturbing that Said Shoaib says “a lot of blood will be shed here in the West, and the Muslims will pay the price.”
I am far more concerned with the price that we infidels, Western society pays, not with the Katzenjammer of Moslems. But there goes the relentless victimhood play that seems to be as inbred as the Jew-hatred.
gravenimage says
Good point. This is more of the false claim that there is a violent “backlash” against Islam.
In reality, it is the Infidels suffering at the hands of Muslims.
Charles says
The western corporate media complains about being viewed as “the enemy”. Bravo! They never bother to read Islamic sourced material but instead rely on Islamic scholars to inform them. They have the gall to call us racists Islamophobes for telling the truth about Islam, its basal charters, its expansionist history, and the extermination of cultures in its wake. Yet Said Shoaib and Hamed Abdel-Samad and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are all of the same race, but I would argue that they are all supporters of secular constitutions, as we are.
Islam was founded by an insurgent of the 7th century hejaz. His written doctrine and charters advocate the use of any strategy of war including terrorism, on the pretext of disbelief. The natural conclusion of Islam is a Theocratic state ruling over the world. The ideal Islamic State is run by a theocratic Caliph. Jurisprudence is derived from Sharia law based on Islamic recorded precedence found in the Quran and Hadith. When we examine and critique the very words written by the early scholars of Islam, we are shut down and labeled as bigots and racist.
I must say that I am mediaphobic. They are the same breed of unexamined wolves who murdered Socrates.
JIMA says
Amen.
christianblood says
Charles
Very well-said!
+1
Michael Copeland says
Here is the scene. An instructor gives orders to his civilian listeners. He tells them:
You are the best of people, by divine right.
All others are filthy, unclean, lower than animals.
They are enemies.
You must hate enemies.
You cannot be allies with enemies.
You must instil fear and terror in enemies.
You must kill enemies.
You are soldiers in a righteous army.
What do you call this process? Could it be a
“process by which a person comes to support terrorism and forms of extremism leading to terrorism”?
It could. That is the UK Government’s definition of “radicalisation”.
Those are the instructions delivered in mosques. They are the instructions of Islam.
https://gatesofvienna.net/2018/01/instructing-radicalisation/
observer says
I don’t hold out much hope that Western leaders and citizens (generally) will get it…
+Not. even. now!+
How Robert Spencer – God’s protection upon him ! – does not lose steam in the face of such ignorance, is beyond me.
Miraculous perhaps !
christianblood says
observer
+1
infidel says
+1 trillion… (I’m always worried to the death that one day Robert might just give up in plain exasperation and disgust…. I hope that day never happens… but I still feel that Robert may get his genuine due and accolades only after the passage of his natural lifespan and where the world has been completely ruined by Islam)
t says
+1.
No Muzzies Here says
When your enemy tells you what he is going to do to you, listen!
gravenimage says
+1
infidel says
That the TURD is a madcap beyond redemption is now established beyond any shred of doubt. I really feel for U Canadians… U had such a great north land.. WHAT WAS THE F-ing necessity to immigrate people from the outside? Why did U fall for this lie of multiculturalism and this I ask from India?? Even if U had remained the way U were before, U WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST FINE!!!!!
infidel says
Also, I extend my sincere thanks to Robert and JW for posting this so informative video with the Eng STs,,,, If not for this, myself and the likes of me all over the world would have never known about this video that simply endorses Robert and others who see congruence in his VP. Thanks once again.
BobbyFR94 says
There is a book, issued on 2004, written in arab, ” Management of savagery ” by abu bakr naji,
Excerpt from the book ” Management of the savagery “, published on 2004, translated
in english on 2006, in french on 2007 :
Page 102 :
#
What we will concentrate on here is demonstrating that all of these kinds of infidels,
apostates, and wayward people adopted methods which caused HARM to humanity and which push it further away every day from the mercy bestowed by the Lord of the worlds and that the method (of JIHAD), which Satan caused humanity to think is filled with killing and blood, is the MOST merciful of the methods for all created things and the MOST sparing of the spilling of blood.
# end of excerpt
This book I read in its french edition was TOTALLY unnoticed in France, in Europe…
It’s a ” mein K(or)AMPF ” , a guide to NAZISLAMIZE western countries, then the rest of the whole non-muzzshit world !!!
If a Gore Al-O’r-WELL could quote this book, it should be read like this :
” HATRED, CRUELTY, RAGE, and WAR first, only,
according their book, fulfilled their false god.
Keeping them under control was not so difficult
allah, was their only horizon and death their aim
in their life. ”
In France, the FAGGOT, and first, TRAITOR to my country, France, signed the Marrakech migration pact…Last act de destruction of France, by LEGALIZING any – muzzshits – INVASION !!!
Listen carefully Alain Wagner, in an excerpt of his interview, 13mn to understand why we, in France, in europe, are INVADED with the TRAHISON of politics for years !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj9qg7Gylh4
Title : ” Alain Wagner: The reasons why Europe is being colonised by Muslims “
mortimer says
‘Islamist’ and ‘Islamism’ have a much-needed place in POLITICAL SCIENCE. Fr. Henri Boulad, SJ explained the meaning of ‘ISLAMISM’ brilliantly.
“Islamism is not a caricature, nor a counterfeit, nor a heresy, nor a fringe or atypical phenomenon versus classical, orthodox, Sunnite Islam.
To the contrary, I think Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.
Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.
But what is Islamism?
Islamism is political Islam, the bearer of a project for a model society and whose aim is to establish a theocratic state based on Sharia, the only legitimate law—since it is divine—since it was revealed and enshrined in the Koran and Sunna—it’s a law that applies to everything.
Here is an all-inclusive and all-encompassing project, one that is total, totalizing and totalitarian.”
t says
I agree with you, mortimer; he explained it brilliantly!
Rufolino says
“Islamism” is devout Islam.
Carol the 1st says
The Apostate Prophet seems in accord with Father Boulad’s assessment:
Not Real Muslims?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0EAZ0enmZg
Walter Sieruk says
It’s very true that the Muslim terrorists want to destroy Western civilization and likewise they said so themselves. One point worth making is that this Egyptian writer might have been influenced, a little bit, by the “fear factor” of being on the receiving end of Muslim terrorist violence for speaking the truth.
The reason this might be is because when he spoke he deliberately used the fake words “Islamist” and not the actual reality based descriptive term “Muslim terrorists.”
t says
At least, he is courageous enough to say what he said.
thebigW says
I’d believe ol’ Said and Hamed are not doing taqiyya when they can explain to me (without sophistry) why they still love Mohammed and the Koran. Until that day (which won’t ever come, natch) anything these guys say is worthless (to me, but not to them, if they can hoodwink a few people in the Counter-Jihad).
Victoria says
Hamed Abdel-Samad belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood, but seems to be an atheist now. He lives 24/7 under police protection as his killing is permitted.
Quite like Geert Wilders.
thebigW says
Seems to be an athiest? or is one? As long as he’s reinforcing any inclination we might have to avoid condemning ALL Muslims, then he’s doing taqiyya (consciously or unconsciously), even if other Muslims want to kill him (because he’ll help soften up some of us so our great-great-great grandchildren can be slaughtered in the future).
yohanan says
The Egyptian-German interviewer Hamed_Abdel-Samad has an en.wiki entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamed_Abdel-Samad
The Eygptian Canadian interviewee Said Shoaib has three previous media clip excerpts quoted, translated, transcribed by MEMRI:
May 2017
Clip #6230
EGYPTIAN-CANADIAN WRITER SAID SHOAIB: THE PREVALENT ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY IN CANADA BREEDS TERRORISM, WE NEED TO TRAIN IMAMS IN CANADA
https://www.memri.org/tv/egyptian-canadian-writer-prevalent-islamic-ideology-canada-breeds-terrorism-train-imams-in-canada/
June 29, 2017
Clip #6192
EGYPTIAN-CANADIAN WRITER SAID SHOAIB: MUSLIMS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR COLONIALIST CRIMES
https://www.memri.org/tv/egyptian-canadian-journalist-muslims-proud-of-colonialist-occupation-al-andalus
September 24, 2017
Special Dispatch No.7103
Egyptian-Canadian Writer Said Shoaib: ‘Our Conflict With Israel Is Mostly Religious’ – Otherwise We’d Be Treating Iran Like We Treat Israel; Only Muslims Take Pride In ‘Their Colonialist Crimes’; ‘The Reforms In The Jewish Religion Improved It’
https://www.memri.org/reports/egyptian-canadian-writer-said-shoaib-our-conflict-israel-mostly-religious-%E2%80%93-otherwise-wed-be
thebigW says
“WE NEED TO TRAIN IMAMS IN CANADA” said Said. We don’t need to “train” Imams in the West, we need to give them a one-way ticket back to their Islamic hellholes.
gravenimage says
Agreed, thebigW.
Anjuli Pandavar says
I have talked about and written about Islam extensively, yet have never found the need for terms such as “Islamism” or “political Islam”. Is my understanding of Islam deficient? I understand such terms to be nothing but obfuscation that provide cover for Islam and a “safe space” for illusions and wishful thinking, perhaps even deceit. I’ll take my clue from aspiring caliph Erdogan, who flies into a rage every time anyone tries to differentiate between Islam and Islam.
thebigW says
any language that puts ANY adjective or ending on “Islam” is protecting Islam and most Muslims. I don’t care if Robert Spencer does it or Sam Harris or Joe Blow does it; the effect is still the same: making sure to help Muslims in the future slaughter our great great great grandchildren. Don’t matter if you condemn your invention (“political Islam”, “Islamism”, “radical Islam” wtfe), you won’t be condemning Islam and all Muslims. If the West don’t do that condemning in time, it’s curtains for our civilization and our descendants. Has to be Islam and ALL Muslims, or it will just eventually help the Muslims who will slaughter our descendants. Is that what you want to do for posterity?
gravenimage says
Anjuli and thebigW, Robert Spencer wrote this at the beginning of the article, above:
“I don’t generally use the word “Islamist” myself, as it is too often used in order to establish some artificial distance between aggressive, violent, imperialist and supremacist political Islam and a supposedly benign ordinary Islam. But in every other respect, Said Shoaib and Hamed Abdel-Samad say in this important interview things that I have said for years…”
So no–Robert Spencer does not normally use the term “Islamamist”.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Hi GI,
I’ve read that and I wasn’t suggesting that he does.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Anjuli.
Or Else! says
Above, Charles wrote: “When we examine and critique the very words written by the early scholars of Islam, we are shut down and labeled as bigots and racist.”
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Exactly. We’re studying, critiquing, and resisting a “divinely-ordained manual” that calls for the hate, subjugation/conversion, and in the case of Jews–eradication–of us, the “infidel”.
Large portions of the Sunnah contain prescriptions against US until Islam rules the entire world.
And we’re supposed to not object/resist? Laughable, really.
Sam says
Here is a guy telling the truth about Islam. He should be silenced immediately not to hurt the feelings of Muslims. Why? Who knows!
Carol the 1st says
I suppose it’s because our ‘knowledge’ is quite imperfect – whereas if we were shipped off to madrassas at a tender age we’d surely learn to properly appreciate the perfect and final word of Allah.
Geoffrey de Brito says
“If today’s politicians fail to provide security for the people in the West, they will take matters into their own hands. And who will be the victims? The normal Muslims who have nothing to do with this.” Said Shoaib
Red alert! “normal Muslims” enable the “Islamists” by condoning the violence with their silence. Where are the millions of “normal Muslims” speaking out anonymously (and thus safely) on the Internet against the violence? All I see and hear is the sound of crickets…
“normal Muslims” are in willful denial of Islam’s inherent nature. They continue to embrace a monstrous, totalitarian ideology that wraps itself in a facade of religious pretense. There is no political Islam, no moderate Islam. There is only Islam and to what degree the devout Muslims (i.e. the “radical Islamists”) hold power in a society.
News flash! In Muslim societies there are only two possibilities; the ruthless ‘strong man’ i.e. “the iron fist in the velvet glove” or… the theocracy, “a form of government in which a religious institution is the source from which all authority derives”.
gravenimage says
Egyptian writer: “The main plan of the Islamists is to destroy Western civilization. They said so themselves!”
…………………….
So true.
Ronyvo says
This Egyptian Muslim writer is raped with takyya (deceptive) ‘law). Whatever he says good or bad true or false is Islamic, which means typical political Islam.
ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION.
Islam is a disguised aggressive destructive political SYSTEM. Muslims bad or ‘good’ are here in the West for one reason and one reason ONLY, which is to Islamize the West. The ignorant Muslims (those who did not read the Koran) are get paid and taught to repeat what is delivered to them like a parrot. Those are the potential active terrorists.
On the other hand, the knowledgeable Muslims (those who read the Koran and understand it) are the active terrorists, like ISIS and the rest of the criminal Muslims.
Laura says
“The normal Muslims who have nothing to do with this.?”