This program is foredoomed to failure, because it is almost certainly based on the false premise that jihad activity is a twisting and hijacking of Islam, and that all that young jihadis need is to be taught the true, peaceful Islam, and all will be well. It also assumes that the parents of jihadis disapprove of what they do, which is certainly true in some cases, but not in all. In sum, this is just EU and German taxpayer money for nothing.
“Germany introduces extremism counseling service,” DW, January 9, 2019:
A new prototype project was launched in Germany on Wednesday, aimed at counseling parents who are concerned their children may be flirting with extremism. The Turkish Community in Germany (TGD) non-profit established the service primarily for Turkish and Arabic-speaking parents, but said that German native speakers would be able to receive help as well.
The service is called “emel,” a play on the word email and a Turkish given name. Parents will be able to receive help either via email or by making an appointment for a live chat.
Funded partly by the European Union and Germany’s Ministry for Families, counseling is set to be available through at least the end of 2019, although founders hope they will receive the budget to continue the service indefinitely.
…Between 2013 and 2017, the number of people considered extreme Islamists in Germany rose from 100 to at least 1,600, and an average of around four credible tips about planned terrorist activities are received on a daily basis….
observer says
Where’s the counseling for the few Westerners who see the greater reality and are traumatised because they know their POLITICAL LEADERS neither hear nor see the/this evil in their midst in spite of numerous terrorist attacks in their respective countries.
I imagine that those of us who are aware sometimes feel as the Jews once felt as the tide of Nazism surged…
There’s no better platform than this one for these confounded politicians to educate themselves. Robert Spencer deals WITH FACTS !
Why can these ostensibly intelligent people who govern Western countries not grasp what is happening ???
Have not enough of us died yet ???
Yes of course ‘enough’ Western citizens have died !!! TOO MANY ALREADY !
But still our POLITICIANS sit on deck fiddling while the ship goes down.
ARE THEY NOT AWARE THEY’RE ON THE SAME SHIP ??
WAKE UP WESTERN LEADERS !!!
WAKE UP !!!
mortimer says
Yes. Dhimmi Western POLLYANNA APPEASERS NEED TO BE DEPROGRAMMED FROM THEIR NAIVETY.
Stop APPEASING THIS DEATH CULT.
Anjuli Pandavar says
observer,
They are familiar with JW and the *do* know the fact. They are complicit in those facts. They may even have initiated those facts themselves. Now their only concern is to preserve those facts.
mortimer says
AP, you seem to have knowledge of the inside which we would love you to share, even if by saying ‘I read such-and-such…’ or ‘I heard so-and-so admit …’. If our leaders have the facts as re-presented here at JW from INDEPENDENT SOURCES, then they are absolute traitors who are consciously subverting our Western countries.
The main question that comes to my mind is ‘How do these conspiratorial globalist politicians expect to control Islam once they have created the Frankenstein’s monster in every Western country?’ Will the globalist politicians then take DRACONIAN measures to crush and reduce the Islamic Frankenstein they created?
What say you, AP?
observer says
Anjuli,
Yes… won’t you substantiate your statement that Western leaders DO know the facts please and that they DO follow JW ?
Also…
How do YOU feel Anjuli, given your awareness of Western politicians apparently knowing the facts AND YET NOT ACTING APPROPRIATELY TO COUNTER WHAT THEY KNOW SO AS TO PROTECT THEIR CITIZENS ? How does their alleged complicity affect you ?
I’m keen to have your input to hasten my own understanding…
Anjuli Pandavar says
Mortimer,
My knowledge isn’t necessarily any more ‘inside’ than anyone else’s, especially on JW. I don’t think my sources are necessarily any better than those read by others here. Right now, for example, I’m reading Bat Ye’or’s “Eurabia”, as recommended to me by another JW commenter (I’m about 1/3 through). I also read Ibn Warraq, Hamed Abdel-Samad, Raymond Ibrahim and, of course, RS. Particularly on Europe, I read Arthur van Amerongen, Henryk Broder, Wim van Rooy, Hans Jansen, Thilo Sarrazin, Alexander Maistrovoy, Douglas Murray, among others. Sources I regularly turn to include Gatestone Institute, Visegrád Post and Visegrád Insight. Blogs I follow are Apostate Prophet, Black Pigeon, Caspian Report, Box of Islam (translated), Vlad Tepes, Iconoclast, etc.
I usually read three or four sources simultaneously, and find that as important as new facts are, more important still is tying already existing loose ends together, making connections that had not occurred to me till then, and opening new lines of enquiry. Most of the time it would take a bit of effort to unpick how I’ve come to any particular insight, given that it’s all also mixed in with my own experiences as a former Muslim, as a black person, as a woman, as a lesbian, as a European who has some experience of each of Europe’s major regions (except the Balkans), including Stalinist Eastern Europe in its dying days, and blessed with a higher than average education. Add to this that I grew up under Apartheid in South Africa and have always had to fight to be taken seriously. Coming at things from unusual angles and developing novel perspectives, I think, is inherent to such a mix.
So, if you like, I’ll from now on indicate all the main sources of what I say as far as I’m able to unpick them, although I’ll not go down to page numbers. Where I’m familiar with them, I’ll mention English titles of non-English sources. I’m afraid I might not be able to do much better than that.
As to your specific point of “If our leaders have the facts as re-presented here at JW from INDEPENDENT SOURCES, then they are absolute traitors who are consciously subverting our Western countries,” in short, *they are the primary sources*. I learn from Bat Ya’or and various interviews of and talks by Elisabeth Sabbaditsch-Wolf, neither of whom I have any reason to doubt, that the EU leadership from the very top down to the Council of Ministers level, know all this stuff and are neck deep in it. None of the people who sit on these bodies are elected, and over them are policy-making bodies where only the very select join the leaders of the organised Islamic world to together make European policy, and whose proceedings are held behind closed doors and not minuted. The upper echelons of the EU leadership already behave like the Arab dictators to whom they are committed to deliver an open door to mass Muslim migration from North Africa and the ME, and a Shari’a-compliant Europe in which to receive them. I surmise that national leaders are let into the inner sanctum on a need-to-know basis. I do think that most members of the toothless European Parliament are clueless about what’s going on.
The weird thing is that although I’ve had gut-suspicions about many of the things I’m reading about, it nevertheless knocked the wind out of me to learn of the depths of treason and betrayal at the highest levels of my beloved continent *and how long it’s been going on!* I felt physically sick.
Unfortunately for those leaders, they hadn’t reckoned with how precious freedom and independence are to people who’d lost both of these first to Islam, then to Nazism and then to Stalinism. In the Western parts too, the cat is out of the bag. The people of Europe, those whom the leadership have come to treat with the same dismissive contempt that Arab dictators treat their people, are not about to give this up just because Merkel threw the doors wide open, Verhofstadt threw a hissy-fit in Parliament and Macron threatens to rob them.
That was very long, but you did say, “what say you?” 🙂
gravenimage says
Anjuli, not every one reads or has even heard of Jihad Watch.
Anjuli Pandavar says
GI
“Anjuli, not every one reads or has even heard of Jihad Watch.”
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Of course not. I’m not sure why you’re telling me this.
gravenimage says
Anjuli, I meant that even now many don’t understand the threat of Islam.
Sun says
AP, I totally agree with you. They know the facts. I dearly would like to learn more about their motives…
Statement from the state ministry in North-Rhine Westphalia 01/10/2019::
German citizens have to endure public mass prayers of Muslims. The public mass prayers are justified with regard to the exercise of the right to freedom of religion.
Several times since 2010, groups of radical Muslims have called for mass prayers in residential areas.The unannounced prayers are performed by an Imam with the use of sound systems. The ‘Allahu Akbar’ shouts of the Imam and the prayers are threatening and unsettling the German population.
http://nrw-direkt.net/massengebete-durch-religionsfreiheit-gedeckt/
Sun says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO3Q6ztg21w
Anjuli Pandavar says
Thanks, Sun.
German citizens have to endure public mass prayers of Muslims. The public mass prayers are justified with regard to the exercise of the right to freedom of religion.
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Well, I hope the state ministry in North-Rhine Westphalia are ready for when Muslims’ exercise of their right to freedom of religion get to:
“And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful,” Qur’an 9:5
and
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,” Qur’an 9:29
and especially
“The [Final] Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them, until a Jew hides behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: O Muslim, O slave of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Except the gharqad (a thorny tree), for it is one of the trees of the Jews,” Sahih Muslim 2922
In short, not so long ago, German Jews have seen their fellow Germans fall lockstep into mindless acceptance of whatever their leaders tell them. If it is true that German Jews are now joining the AfD in numbers, then it is German leaders urging their people to “endure” Muslims exercising their right to freedom of religion *and those people all complying like sheep* that will be alarming those Jews into taking pro-active steps to defend themselves. It is terrifying that nobody seems to recognise the Fascism inherent in the State Government of NRW’s statement, or in Angela Merkel asking Mark Zuckerberg to control what Europeans may say on FaceBook (and Zuckerberg agreeing to do so). The Orwellian inversion of “FREEDOM IS SLAVERY” is so evident in the portraying of the AfD as Fascist, Nazi, etc., when it is the very German political establishment, media and academia that are doing nothing less than laying the foundations for Shari’a, a social order that Adolf Hitler could only dream of.
Bei Massengebeten, würde ich mit einem Hund dahingehen, un das Tier frei zwischen den Muslimen herumlaufenlassen. Je mehr Hunden, desto besser.
Michael Copeland says
“Violence is the heart of Islam”
Ayatollah Yazdi
Rob says
Al Azhar University in Cairo a pre-eminent Sunni authority, states that Isis is NOT heretical.
mortimer says
Here are the reasons why these children CANNOT BE DEPROGRAMMED … why these children will EVENTUALLY BECOME TICKING TIME BOMBS …
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
DHazard says
Does Angele Merkel have a clue? A project that is doomed to failure, as Robert said, must be for something other than the stated intentions. Perhaps it’s a demonstration that Merkel
recognizes that maybe terrorism is not caused by Islamophobia and Western colonialism, in which case it would be yet another hand in the wallet of German taxpayers for some politicians public image enhancement.
If she really wishes to head off terrorism then she should stop criminalizing criticism of Islam.
Right now a Muslim in Germany who wants to apostasize faces pressure not only from their family, neighbors and friends but also from the government itself. Those people have to separate from Islam in silence. They can’t tell the truth about Islam and feel safe, unless they move to the USA, Hungary or Poland. So their insight is lost forever.
mortimer says
The way to stop Islamic terrorism is to have fewer and fewer Muslims, because terrorism is NORMATIVE Islam, rather than an aberration. K.8.60 Turhibunna (terrorize them).
Rufolino says
Instead, Mortimer, Europe is getting more and more Moslems. The inevitable demographic outlook is now appalling.
An Islamic authority recently ststed, “terror attacks are a waste of time. We will conquer Europe through the womb and the ballot-box” .
Anjuli Pandavar says
DH,
Angela Merkel is a particular kind of devout Christian: the kind that sees Islam as another faith. It is inconceivable to them that a faith can be evil, let alone have a pretty horrific future in store for Christianity. Muslims pray to God, whom they just happen to call Allah. Christians pray to God too. We are all people of God. We must stand together against the evils of permissiveness and immorality, especially atheism and other forms of godlessness (in Merkel’s particular case, godless “Communism”). Not only must people of faith be defended, those who oppose them must be opposed *by whatever means* because people of faith are right, which is self-evident.
It was very instructive to me when, at a public meeting about civic disquiet over the Muslim rape epidemic in Germany, a woman expressed her worries to Angela Merkel, who responded by telling the woman that instead of fretting, she should go to church from time to time.
But in answer to your question of whether Angela Merkel has a clue, I’d say that Angela Merkel knows *exactly* what’s going on. She is herself consciously and unflinchingly pursuing the Islamisation of Europe.
On this note, I once heard Elmar Thevessen of ZDF insist that, “There is no Islamisation in Europe. It is a lie,” and this while Diyanet, effectively the Turkish Ministry of Jihad, was constructing the biggest Islamic carbuncle on the face of Europe right in Cologne, you know, that city where Muslims perpetrated a mass sexual assault, including rapes, on infidel women one New Year’s Eve not so long ago.
My conjecture is that the building of this mosque *in Cologne* and its opening by none other than Erdogan himself, the signing of the Global Migration Compact *in Morocco*, the biggest exporter of jihad terrorists to Europe, and the new Saudi Flag sculpture *next to 9/11 Ground Zero*, are each an *explicit* “F*CK YOU!” to the sensibilities of the populations under jihad attack, the future dhimmis. Humiliation is integral to dhimmitude. Allah commands it. The extent to which such humiliation is accepted by those on whom it is imposed is a barometer to Muslims of the extent to which their intended dhimmis already “feel themselves subdued” Qur’an 9:29. This last phrase propels the ever-creative humiliation industry.
gravenimage says
Germany launches program “counseling parents who are concerned their children may be flirting with extremism”
…………………………
The only problem is that most Muslim parents will misinterpret the goal of this program, and will instead complain that their spawn are merely flirting with “extremism”, and are not more committed…
mortimer says
GI, the only way to convince Muslims that jihad is wrong, is to convince them that Islam is fake and hoax.
Rufolino says
Fat chance of that !!
gravenimage says
Mortimer, you never say why you believe that Muslims will listen to what the “filthy Infidels” have to say.
Halal Bacon says
Frau merkel is le Cukkoo
mortimer says
No … she is NAIVE AS HELL. Merkel is WILFULLY IGNORANT OF ISLAMIC DOCTRINES OF HATRED and WARFARE AGAINST DISBELIEVERS.
Michael Copeland says
“….between us and you enmity and hatred forever….”
Koran 60:4
mortimer says
Yes, brother, preach it! Tell everyone who has ears to hear. This is the KEY DOCTRINE that motivates JIHADISTS.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Merkel and Macron Pool Defence, Foreign Policy in Prototype ‘Sovereign Europe’”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/10/franco-german-axis-merkel-macron-sign-treaty-shared-defence-foreign-policy/
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Empress Merkel: Protests to Be Banned from Swathes of Athens for German Visit”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/10/empress-merkel-protests-banned-swathes-athens-german-visit/
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Ex-Jihadist Reveals Network Smuggling Islamic Radicals to Europe as Migrants”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/10/former-jihadist-reveals-islamic-radicals-coming-italy-illegal-migrants/
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Yet Another Left-Wing Couple Visits Dangerous Country to Spread Love, Disappears”
https://www.newswars.com/yet-another-left-wing-couple-visits-dangerous-country-to-spread-love-disappears/
Wellington says
Merkel, Macron, Trudeau, May, Pope Francis and so many others in any kind of leadership position in the West—not just ignorant, not “merely” willfully ignorant, but arriving at a threshold of ignorance, if not already passed (I for one think so), of criminal ignorance, that is to say, in legal terms, criminal negligence.
Islam is the obdurate and implacable enemy of Western freedom. Coddling it, making excuses for it, etc. is a prescription for the ending of liberty, which the West has explored the dimensions and limits of as no other civilization in history. And Islam wants to take advantage of this achievement and destroy it.
I despise Islam. There is no way one can cherish liberty and not despise Islam.
mortimer says
Agree with your sentiments. Islam CANNOT be reformed because the ETERNALLY VALID TEXTS of ‘ALLAH’ and his false prophet Mohammed MAY NEVER BE TOUCHED or EDITED or ALTERED IN ANY WAY.
Islam is so out of touch with the 21st century that the response of most Muslims is to simply IGNORE 60% to 70% of Islam’s ASININE doctrines. MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT practice Islam, but a very minimalist version of it.
Since Islam is not PRACTICABLE, it should be simply abandoned. We need to ask Muslims why they don’t simply abandon this very out-dated Bedouin EXTORTION CULT… instead of continuing to play a CHARADE that they believe in it. Most Muslims don’t actually believe in it, but say they do.
Lydia Church says
In the end their goal will be for the ‘extremists’ that are right wing parents… the way this is going…!
mortimer says
Lydia, they are clueless …
… everyone now knows there is NO ‘moderate’ Islam … there are only non-observant or slightly observant Muslims who ‘moderately’ or ‘slightly’ practice Islam, because they know it is too amoral, Obessive-Compulsive and vicious for a decent human being. Most Muslims today are more MORAL and ETHICAL than Mohammed. That is a sign that most Muslims have INWARDLY rejected Islam.
Rufolino says
Admire your optimism Mortimer, but I am of the view that when push comes to shove, “nice, moderate” Moslems will feel obliged to follow the imams who currently preach hatred in mosques all over Europe. The time will come when they may even risk their lives to do anything else.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, your claim that most Muslims have rejected Islam is not backed up by reality. The majority of Muslims, even in the West, want to see the imposition of Shari’ah law here.
Richard says
Germany launches program “counseling parents who are concerned their children may be flirting with extremism”
How absolutely brilliant!
Counsellor to parent – You were concerned with your son flirting with extremism before this session. Now how do you feel?
Parent – Absolutely wonderful! Thank you so much. All my concerns have vanished.
Now I just can’t wait to give him a kalashnikoff for his birthday, a stack of nail bombs and a course on how to kidnap and rape a non-believing white girl.
The program will be so successful, after this Germany will launch programs for counselling parents slaughtered by the children of the parents who were concerned about their children flirting with extremism.
Good time to be a counsellor in Germany.
na says
One of my friend made friendship with an Ayathollah, he did not know Ayathollahs are terrorists. Later he read an article then only he came to know he was a terrorist. Later he cut his friendship.
dan christensen says
It is a complete waste of time to counsel parents, who regard the counselor as an infidel subhuman. The parents are more keen to command the counselors to convert, because the parents belong to a superior religion – we are not talking about Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism.
mortimer says
Agree with DC. Close the door after the horse has left the stable. How do you unlearn … the Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
These verses cannot be ‘UNLEARNED’.
gravenimage says
But Mortimer, you claim all the time that Muslims can be “deprogrammed”.
Anjuli Pandavar says
I wonder whether such counselling would also be available for parents whose paedophile sons want to marry nine-year-old girls, as German law now permits, or for German parents who discover that their missing nine-year-old daughter has already been married to a Muslim, as German law now permits.
Dov Berrol says
I think the money would be better spent on helping these families convert to another religion or even helping them deprogram and become atheist secularists. When religious observance becomes so fanatical that it endangers human life (remember the ancient rituals of child sacrifices), it’s best to offer good old fashioned psychotherapy to help these people move from being “slaves to scripture” to being compassionate rational human beings. In this spirit, I highly recommend Rabbi Hartman’s book “Putting God Second.”
Singh The Sikh says
Are there similar programs planned for other religions- Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists? Why only Muslims need such a program? Are we missing something?
gravenimage says
Good point.
Bella says
This is done simply to placate their own citizens so they’ll think their leaders are actually doing something about the moslem problem. They know damn well this will do nothing.