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Hugh Fitzgerald: Why Are We Still In Afghanistan? (Part One)

Jan 2, 2019 10:00 am By Hugh Fitzgerald

The withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria, as well as the recent recommendation from General Stanley McChrystal that we simply continue to “muddle along” in Afghanistan, brought to light again what a pointless and tragic muddle the whole exercise has been. The longest war in which American troops have fought is that in Afghanistan, which is now 17 years old. Nearly one trillion dollars have been spent by the American government on this effort, with no end in sight. There were once 100,000 American  soldiers in the country; that number is now about 14,000. That’s progress, but no one in authority in Washington seems to want to leave Afghanistan entirely, allowing it to fight its own battles. The Taliban are back; the central government controls only 54 percent of the districts, and the rest — nearly half the country — is either under Taliban control, or is territory contested between the Taliban and government forces.

On August 11, there was a devastating attack by the Taliban on an Afghan commando base in the district of Ajristan, 90 miles west of Ghazni city. Afghan officials and soldiers fled; as many as 100 commandos and police officers were killed, according to a senior Afghan official. The Taliban control the battlefield: it is they who decide when and where to attack, and then to either fade away, or to stand and fight. In Ghazni, it seems they decided to attempt to conquer this strategically-placed city of 270,000. First, they managed to take all but two of the 18 rural districts surrounding the city. Then they lay siege, for five days, to the city, finally taking control of it, but then were dislodged by a combination of American bombings and Afghan troops on the ground. Aside from the one hundred Afghan soldiers and police killed in the initial attack on August 11, several hundred more Afghan soldiers were killed during the siege and takeover of Ghazni.

Furthermore, elsewhere in Afghanistan, simultaneously with the Ghazni attack, the Taliban managed to kill more than 100 other Afghan soldiers in two separate attacks. According to American officials, these three attacks have together been a “catastrophe.”

As the New York Times reported:

The Ghazni assault has demonstrated a stunning display of Taliban tenacity that belies the official Afghan and American narrative of progress in the war and the possibility for peace talks. It also has revealed remarkable bumbling by the Afghan military, including the wrong kind of ammunition sent to besieged police officers. Moreover, the siege has raised basic questions about what conditions the Taliban might accept for peace talks.

The Taliban’s forces in Afghanistan are constantly replenished by volunteers who are eager to fight both the Afghan army, allied as it is to the infidel Americans and other NATO forces, and those Infidels themselves. The Afghan soldiers, even with American training and weaponry, have not performed as well as those of the Taliban. That’s not surprising. For the Taliban are fueled by religious fervor; the Afghan soldiers defending territory from being taken by the Taliban are merely doing their jobs. This makes a difference.

What can the Americans do? They can finally recognize the futility of their remaining on the ground in Afghanistan, and pull out their last remaining troops, some 14,000 of them. They can still supply the Afghan army with weapons, but the Afghans have to understand that it is their country, and it is they who will have to fight for it. There is a limit to what we should be expected to do. It’s been 17 years. We have been there long enough. It’s long past time for the Afghan army to pull up its socks.

Could the Taliban take over the entire country? It’s one thing to keep waging guerrilla warfare, where the time and place is of your choosing, inflicting high casualties on the enemy, before making your escape. It is quite another to take, and hold, and above all to effectively administer, a large city. When the Taliban have taken cities in the past, the results have been disastrous for them. They have highly effective soldiers, but not administrators to take care of the local hospitals, schools, police and firemen, water and food and energy supplies. Those tasks require different skills. When the Taliban controlled Kabul from September 1996 to 2001, their administration of what they  called the “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan” was a study in chaos. And there is another problem. The Taliban are almost entirely Pashtun, a tribe that constitutes 60% of the Afghan population. At the high-water mark of Taliban control of the country, in 2000, when 90% of the country’s territory was controlled by them, the Taliban were governing many people whose languages, including Dari, they did not speak, and who mistrusted them on ethnic grounds. The Taliban also gave their own Pashtuns all the important administrative jobs in the cities they ran, ignoring the desire of the locals. Those Pashtuns were chosen even if they had no relevant experience, over non-Pashtuns with a great deal of such experience. There is no reason to think that, should they take over a half-dozen major Afghan cities, that they would behave any differently today.

How did the Taliban rule in Kabul, and Herat, and other cities where they took over the local administration? Women were forced to wear the burqa at all times in public, because, according to one Taliban spokesman, “the face of a woman is a source of corruption” for men not related to them. One Taliban commander forbade women even from walking outside near his office, lest they “distract” him. In a systematic segregation sometimes referred to as gender apartheid, in this Islamic Emirate women were not allowed to work, they were not allowed to be educated after the age of eight, and until the age of eight they were permitted to study only the Qur’an. Since almost all the teachers in elementary schools were women, the ban on women working led to the closing of all the elementary schools. Punishments of criminals were Shari’a-compliant and therefore barbaric — lots of amputations and executions. This only increased hatred of the Taliban among local populations.

The Taliban will continue to fight, keeping Afghan soldiers constantly off-guard, but despite its attempt to hold Ghazni, it may discover that taking and holding cities can become massive  administrative headaches. Right now 54 percent of Afghanistan’s 400 districts are held by the government, 14 percent by the Taliban, and the rest is considered contested territory. If the Americans on the ground pull out, let’s assume that all the contested territory falls to the Taliban. That still leaves more than half the territory, almost all of it a wide swathe in  the center of the country, under government control.

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  1. RONALD BERNARD FOX says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Let’s review the history. The Taliban, when it controlled the government, hosted al-qaeda, a completely different group, which was planning and implementing various attacks on Western institutions in Africa and the Middle East, as well as 9/11. Some of the Taliban leadership was not comfortable allowing al qaeda to operate on their territory, but acceded to it anyway.

    The Northern Alliance, composed mostly of Tajiks, held a small part of Afghanistan and was in constant warfare with the Psashtun Taliban.

    After 9/11, US special forces troops inserted themselves into the Northern Alliance fighters, and used special forces operations, plus close US air support, to virtually devastate the Taliban cadre. A large percentage of Taliban fighters were killed during the special forces-abetted Northern Alliance offensive.

    Having killed a large part of the Taliban, the US forces had bin Laden, the operational head of al qaeda, holed up in the Tora Bora mountains. All they had to do was maintain a ring around his likely position, smoke him out, and either kill him or capture him. At that point, the Taliban would have been shown the error of their ways in hosting the intrigues of al qaeda, and the chief of al qaeda would have been captured or killed.

    There would be no reason to remain in Afghanistan. The minority Tajiks would be unlikely to hold onto power, but it really makes no difference to US interests who controls Afghanistan or how they treat their women, as long as they understand that conniving in aggression against Western interests will get them invaded and killed again.

    Instead, someone in the US chain of command, with the McCrystal mentality, decided that in furtherance of the “nation-building” paradigm, we would allow the Northern Alliance troops the honor of capturing bin Laden. The US troops stepped back, and the Northern Alliance promptly allowed bin Laden to slip away unhurt.

    So, rather than having a public display of triumph and warning to its enemies, the US became embroiled in a classic dilemma of supporting and fighting for, an unpopular, unmotivated, incompetent, propped-up government, which is where we are today. We finally got bin Laden holed up next door to Pakistani intelligence in Pakistan, but the Pakistani doctor who assisted the US is still imprisoned by our “ally” Pakistan, again staining any claim by the US to have the power to hurt its enemies.

    As far as Afghanistan carrying out 9/11, much of the planning and support took place in Germany and Saudi Arabia. Something like 14 of the 19 hijackers had already overstayed their visas in the US, and the CIA, under a directive from assistant US Attorney General Jamie Gorlich, now attorney for Ivanka Trump, were forbidden from warning the FBI there were potential terrorists operating in the US. So, it is emphatically not necessary to be throwing troops and money down the Afghan sinkhole to adequately protect US territory.

    • william carr says

      Jan 3, 2019 at 8:49 am

      You forget along came Obama with his catastrophic and fatal rules of engagement, which had the US forces fighting with one hand tied behind their backs

  2. Terry Gain says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 11:27 am

    After 17 years, it’s past time to recognize that the situation is hopeless.

    • christianblood says

      Jan 2, 2019 at 11:45 am

      U$A, the Taliban & Al-Qaeda were very close allies from the start. In fact, Osama Bin-Laden was America’s number one hero before he turned its most wanted! My point is, U$ and its jihadist partners should be faithful in their blasphemous marriage not only when times are good but even when times are bad! Isn’t that what their (false god/satan) expects of them?

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 2, 2019 at 5:57 pm

        Ah…right. We were “close to” the Taliban, despite our ousting them. Are we “close to” ISIS in the same way?

        • Dawne says

          Jan 3, 2019 at 7:07 am

          When Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979 during the Cold War, the USA then funded native resistance against Russia, which led on to that resistance morphing into the Taliban. So yes, in effect the USA created a Frankenstein they could not control. Blame Jimmy Carter.

        • christianblood says

          Jan 3, 2019 at 8:14 am

          Dawne

          +1

    • OMAYHEMO says

      Jan 2, 2019 at 11:45 am

      Not hopeless, we long ago accomplished the agenda. They cannot hurt us from there at this time. We should’ve been gone a long time ago. Nation Building is not the job of an army.

    • Frederick King says

      Jan 3, 2019 at 6:17 am

      It is hopeless there. Let them know if any terror attacks on us or our allies are planned and executed from there, the bombers will make them pay dearly. No cell or sat phones, etc. Cut a deal with them to develop minerals. n Make some money.

  3. Ron Bartels says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 11:41 am

    Osama Bin Laden is dead. That is what we went there to take care of. There is no longer a need for us to stay there. Yes, it will self destruct to some extent but we can’t even take care of our own border with Mexico yet so pull the Afghanistan Troops and put them on our southern border until the CommieCrats cave.

  4. Mark swan says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 11:50 am

    A newly released report by the bipartisan National Defense Strategy
    Commission noted that America’s military is in dire condition
    (Defense News, November 14, 2018). The Commission warned
    “The U.S. military could suffer unacceptably high casualties and
    loss of major capital assets in its next conflict…. It might struggle
    to win, or perhaps lose, a war against China or Russia. The United
    States is particularly at risk of being overwhelmed should its military
    be forced to fight on two or more fronts simultaneously.” The report
    continued, “U.S. military superiority is no longer assured and the
    implications for American interests and American security are severe.”

    The bipartisan commission was created by the U.S. Congress in July
    2017. It includes Democrat and Republican experts whose purpose is
    to report directly to Congress as they assess the state of U.S. defenses
    and the military. Because of the unique nature of the commission, their
    report is especially important and more likely to be accepted by leaders
    of both major political parties.

    • christianblood says

      Jan 2, 2019 at 5:41 pm

      Mark swan

      Do you think a transgendered US army which couldn’t defeat some lightly armed Afghani cavemen for 17 years will have any chance fighting Real War with Russia and China?
      US has Never seen what a Real War look like, not even in WW2!

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 2, 2019 at 5:47 pm

        Russia didn’t win against fanatical Jihadists in Afghanistan, either–was that because they were all “transgendered”, as well? Ridiculous.

        • christianblood says

          Jan 2, 2019 at 6:06 pm

          gravenimage

          A few Soviet divisions supporting the socialist government were there were in Afghanistan and had to be withdrawn because of internal shift of the Soviet government politics at the time. The Soviet army was sent there in the beginning, not occupy Afghanistan but to support its Socialist government (mainly) from external threats that were coming from Pakistan, the US and US’s Islami/Arabic proxies.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jan 2, 2019 at 7:23 pm

          Christistianblood we all need to grow-up—war is novideo game.

          The Russian Military had a go in Afghanistan and,
          went home disillusioned, their economy hurting,
          their hearts heavy.

          I felt compassion for the Russian people in this matter.

          Salivating over any conceived fault in the west is indicative
          of a Russian Propagandist.

          The report I mentioned above is serious, it will get the attention
          needed in the areas mentioned in the report

        • gravenimage says

          Jan 2, 2019 at 8:24 pm

          The Socialist government in the Afghanistan was installed by the Soviets–the idea that it wasn’t is just silly.

          That being said–and as much as I hate Communism–the Socialist government there was actually downright civilized compared to the savagery of Islam.

          But in any case, the situation is the same–both the Soviets and the Americas are just regarded as “filthy Infidels” by the pious Muslims in Afghanistan.

        • christianblood says

          Jan 2, 2019 at 9:37 pm

          Mark Swan

          The Soviet army that was in Afghanistan were sent back home because of perestroika and glasnost reforms that were already ravaging the Soviet system! I can assure you a few thousand Afghani cavemen with their US-backed Arab and Paki jihadists could never have hurt the Soviet army that defeated many millions of vicious and well-armed Nazis that was supported by millions of European volunteers! The Soviet army at the time had to be withdrawn because of serious political upheaval that was raging within the Soviet government at the time.

        • Mark Swan says

          Jan 3, 2019 at 2:15 am

          You have greatly simplified that conflict—
          it was no walk in the park.

          The Soviet–Afghan War lasted for nearly ten years.
          These cave men as you call them, fought a guerrilla
          War, against the Soviet Army and Afghanistan Army
          Combined—these guerrillas had help from the U.S. A.,
          China, United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and
          many other countries.

          The Soviet military lost over 15,000 killed and more
          than double that wounded, several hundred aircraft,
          billions of dollars in other military equipment lost.

          With Afghanistan’s civilian population there, it was
          estimated between 500,000 and 2,000,000 killed,
          millions more fled the country as refugees, mostly
          to Pakistan and Iran.

          This war was not popular in the Soviet Union.

          Finally with no end in sight The Soviets left.

          Yes, you see I do remember that tragedy and when
          our country started sending our military there,
          I was as disappointed then, as now.

        • christianblood says

          Jan 3, 2019 at 8:17 am

          gravenimage posted

          (..the Socialist government there was actually downright civilized compared to the savagery of Islam..)

          You are exactly right, Graven!

  5. Charles says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 11:59 am

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, Charlie Wilson, Jimmy Carter…They all sold an ignorant public on the idea that the Taliban were “Freedom fighters”. The Russians had lived with, and fought against these people on their border for thousands of years. Our unwitting, unexamined foreign policy in the 1970’s led us to events of 911. We still do not understand or acknowledge the operative charters of the Muslim Brotherhood or their daughter groups like Al Qaeda, Jabhat Al Nusra, Jaish Islam, ISIS, etc…And the fools march on in in their policy toward Syria, Libya, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, Morocco, Qatar, SA, etc….

    • christianblood says

      Jan 2, 2019 at 5:45 pm

      Charles posted

      (…Zbigniew Brzezinski, Charlie Wilson, Jimmy Carter…They all sold an ignorant public on the idea that the Taliban were “Freedom fighters”. The Russians had lived with, and fought against these people on their border for thousands of years. Our unwitting, unexamined foreign policy in the 1970’s led us to events of 911. We still do not understand or acknowledge the operative charters of the Muslim Brotherhood or their daughter groups like Al Qaeda, Jabhat Al Nusra, Jaish Islam, ISIS, etc…And the fools march on in in their policy toward Syria, Libya, Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, Morocco, Qatar, SA, etc…) Very well-said, Charles!

      And to that I will add: Just as Reagan courted extremists based in Pakistan to destroy secular Afghanistan in the 1980s, Obama used al-Qaeda to destroy Libya and Syria, and now Trump continues to back al-Qaeda in Syria’s Idlib!

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 2, 2019 at 6:01 pm

      Actually, Jihad against the Infidels *much* preceded the 1970s.

  6. Walter Sieruk says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 12:32 pm

    One thing is for sure, that is even when attempting to engage on “peace talks” with Taliban it would be best not to be naïve about them and take at face value anything that they might say or promise. To just “give trust away” to those Islamic characters who compose the Taliban would be foolishness and folly. For when trying to have genuine negotiations with the them ,it need to be kept in mind that there is an Islamic doctrine called TAQIYYA This is the Muslim dogma the lying and deception are good things to do, if and as long as the lies and deceit are done for the advancement of Islam.
    For the deceptive and disingenuous Taliban have proven many times over, by their own actions, that they are a ruthless, brutal vicious gang of thugs with no honor. So in any kind of “dialogue” the Taliban will most likely speak the truth only when it happened to suite them. The rest of the time they will be speaking half-truths and also be outright lying. Likewise, the Taliban will keep their word in anything that they may happen to promise only and long as in fits into their agenda and no longer. So before engaging of the foolishness of attempting to have genuine “talks for a peace alliance” with Taliban, the officials of the current government would do well to heed the wisdom of Sun Tzu found in THE ART OF WAR. For it instructs “We cannot enter into an alliance neighboring’s princes, until we are acquainted with their designs.” To put this in a more updated and current way, it may be said that “We cannot enter into a peace alliance with the Taliban until we know the actual intentions and real schemes.”

  7. Prabh108 says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 4:39 pm

    Just leave entire region be – Live and Let Live: neocolonialism & islamojihadism as well as soviet aggression are all equally diabolical and an attack upon Key Principle upon which India is founded, namely Ahimsa.(nonviolence)

    Prabh108

    • Indiana Tom says

      Jan 2, 2019 at 5:45 pm

      Usually in the past people like the Taliban have not been peaceful to India. I was never a big fan of the British Raj, but that was a cakewalk compared to the Muslims

    • christianblood says

      Jan 2, 2019 at 5:50 pm

      Prabh108

      Muslims invaded India, murdered over a hundred million Hindus and converted another hundred million Hindus to Islam by coercion or by force!

      https://blog.sami-aldeeb.com/2018/03/18/islamic-invasion-of-india-the-greatest-genocide-in-history/

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 2, 2019 at 6:07 pm

        All grimly true, christianblood.

        • christianblood says

          Jan 2, 2019 at 7:22 pm

          +1

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 2, 2019 at 6:05 pm

      Wait–Prabh thinks the *Taliban* is founded on nonviolence? He is *much* mistaken.

    • Ernie says

      Jan 3, 2019 at 12:02 am

      Prabh , AHIMSA=NON-VIOLENCE , is not going to stop/destroy Jihadism/Islam . Ahimsa is ENABLING Islam .

    • Dawne says

      Jan 3, 2019 at 7:15 am

      The British fought wars in Afghanistan in the 1870/1880s – trying to protect the (then) borders of India against the Afghanistanis as well as to extend influence and wage proxy war against the Russians. Nothing changes in that region. They live life in the way of the Dark Ages in England – 400AD – they have not developed beyond this and probably never will because of their ideology and inbreeding. Western countries need to learn the lessons of history and leave these savage tribal peoples to sort themselves out.

  8. Indiana Tom says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    I suppose the people of Afghanistan are going to have to figure out what they want; but I would tell them if they want to attack us again we will recreate Civil War history as in the Shenandoah valley, Missouri border, Georgia, and the Carolinas.

  9. gravenimage says

    Jan 2, 2019 at 5:53 pm

    Hugh Fitzgerald: Why Are We Still In Afghanistan? (Part One)
    ……………………..

    You can’t civilize a country that is almost 100% Muslim.

  10. Baucent says

    Jan 3, 2019 at 3:25 am

    Learn something from history. The British abandoned Afghanistan as a “too hard” case, and America should do the same. It will inevitably fall again to the Taliban as there is the porous border with Pakistan. Trump could build 10 walls with the US budget for Afghanistan.

  11. el Cid 2 says

    Jan 3, 2019 at 5:40 am

    Is it wise to stop ‘nation building’ and leave the Middle East? That would require we contain (limit) their ideology to themselves. I.E. – NO immigration of Islamists (or from Islamic countries) to the West. Do we have the POLITICAL WILL to do that?.

  12. Theo Prinse says

    Jan 3, 2019 at 9:04 am

    The Taliban is supported financially, logistically and organisationally by Pakistan, in particular by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), the secret service of Pakistan, and a number of Arab countries, especially by Saudi Arabia.
    The Taliban have their roots in Pakistan’s madrassas. Since the invasion by the Soviet Union in 1979, Afghanistan was the battle scene of various parties. The resistance against the Soviets was initially supported by money and arms by the United States. In time, there were several warlords, the Mujahideen, who not only attacked the Russians, but also each other. The cultivation of poppy for the production of heroin was an important source of income for them. On February 15, 1989, the last Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan.

    During this Afghan War, many Afghans had fled to Pakistan. The sons of the refugees were sent en masse to Pakistani madrassas, where they received free food and shelter in addition to education in the Koran. The madrassas are mainly financed by Arab countries. Mostly a highly orthodox Sunni militant version of Islam is taught

    The boys did not learn a trade and therefore could not do much else than to turn back to the armed struggle in Afghanistan. An important madrassa for the Taliban is Darul uloom Haqqania, led by Maulana Sami ul-Haq, also called the father of the Taliban, where the most important leaders of the Taliban, such as Mohammed Omar, are trained. During the civil war that arose after the departure of the Soviet Union from Afghanistan, the Taliban were formed from the Afghan refugees, in which the students of madrassas formed the most important group and took the lead.

    The ideological basis of the Taliban was a combination of Pashtunwali, Deobandi fundamentalism and religious pro-Pashtun nationalism with a strong influence of Salafism as taught in the madrassas. They formulated their basic goals as: to restore peace, to disarm the population, to implement sharia and to defend Islam in Afghanistan. Their definition of sharia was influenced by the extremist lessons in Pakistan, which were mainly determined by the teachings of Abul Ala Maududi and his Jamaat-e-Islami party. The Pashtunwali, the Pathan code of conduct, was thrown overboard to the extent that the fighters when it did not suit them. This new extreme form of Sharia and the additional brutal enforcement were completely foreign to Afghan culture and traditions.

    Initially, the goals of the movement were rather modest, namely bringing back order and transferring the government over time to ‘good Muslims’. As the movement gained more power, however, radicalization took place: one aimed for a strict Islamic state under Pashtunleiding as in the days of Abdur Rahman Khan, the ‘iron emir’. Although Mullah Omar initially wanted to save the Buddhas of Bamyan, he later changed his mind and still had them exterminated. Because the fighters did not know a trade and even lacked basic agricultural skills, the movement was extremely belligerent: war meant work, peace meant unemployment.
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1115/1367983864_7b057f76e2.jpg

  13. Jramsix says

    Jan 3, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    The REAL reason we are there, is the Globalists Leaders Nation Building and Destruction plans. Obama reentered Afghanistan and the CIA expanded the Opium fields from 7000 hectares to over 250,000. Obama even protected Hezbollah here in the USA so they could sell drugs to fund their operations. The CIA is estimated to be making $250-300 Billion per year in selling Heroin and our military protects their source. The other is that Afghanistan is a very special place for Rare Earth Metals. The Chinese, with our military there protecting them and building the infrastructure for them, are mining about $45 Billion per year from there. Yes, the Globalists Puppets set this up to make $$$ for the CIA to fund their “Black Op’s” (toppling Independent Nations) and to help the Chinese Communists (they have long supported them). They have given the Chinese 98% control over the worlds rare earth metals and forced the closure of rare earth metal mines here in the USA and other places. The Chinese economy is and has been in shambles. This is one of the ways they funnel money into the Communist to support them. The Import Taxes on USA goods (yes, they had Tariffs on our goods for decades) leading to astronomical Trade Deficits in China’s favor, was another way to funnel our wealth into China. There was and still is a Trade war that has been going on for decades that previous presidents ignored because their Globalists Puppet Masters told them to ignore it. Trump is the only one to bring it to the light and force the issue that the American People are sick and tired of having our standard of living eroded and our wealth being bled out. With those hidden Chinese Tariffs and Special Tax incentives given to foreign Corp’s to set up business there, our jobs here disappeared. China is the most brutal dictatorship ever. They are responsible for how many 100’s of millions of peoples deaths so far? The article is incorrect in only one thing, so far we have spent almost $2 Trillion there. By the time we pull out, it will easily be over $2 Trillion. That is a lot of money for the “Industrial Military Complex” that Eisenhower warned against.

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