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Indonesia: Muslim leader says women have honored position in Islam

Jan 27, 2019 3:15 pm By Robert Spencer

They have to keep telling us, because only by constant repetition can propagandists compel people to discard the truth and embrace the lie.

The Qur’an teaches that men are superior to women and should beat those from whom they “fear disobedience”: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34

Muhammad’s child bride, Aisha, says in a hadith that Muhammad “struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: ‘Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?’” — Sahih Muslim 2127

The Qur’an likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “Your women are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth as you will” — Qur’an 2:223

It declares that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man: “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as you choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” — Qur’an 2:282

It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, then only one, or one that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” — Qur’an 4:3

It rules that a son’s inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: “Allah directs you as regards your children’s inheritance: to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” — Qur’an 4:11

It allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures “shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated” — Qur’an 65:4

Islamic law stipulates that a man’s prayer is annulled if a dog or a woman passes in front of him as he is praying. “Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, ‘You have made us (i.e. women) dogs.’ I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.” — Sahih Bukhari 1.9.490

Another hadith depicts Muhammad saying that the majority of the inhabitants of hell are women:

“I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.” — Sahih Bukhari 3241; Sahih Muslim 2737

When asked about this, he explained:

“I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” — Sahih Bukhari 1052

And in another hadith:

The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) went out to the musalla (prayer place) on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’” — Sahih Bukhari 304

Another statement attributed to Muhammad: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.” — Sahih Bukhari 4.54.460

“Women have honored position in Islam: Said Aqil,” Antara News, January 26, 2019:

Jakarta (ANTARA News) – Women have honored position in the Islamic perspective, the General Chairman of the Islamic organization Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), Said Aqil Siroj, said…

“The Quran enshrines women in Surah An-Nisaa. An-Nisaa means women. There is no such Surah in the Quran Ar-Rijal (Men),” he said.

In the history of the Islamic struggle, women also made decisive moments. In fact, the first person who defended Islam was a woman named Sumayyah.

“Sumayyah was killed by Abu Jahal, after that her husband Yasir,” he said.

He also told a story about Umar bin al-Khattab, the second caliph of the Muslims, who remained silent when his wife scolded him.

The wisdom of those stories is the primacy of women who must be guarded by anyone.

This is also based on the words of the Prophet Muhammad.

“Then respect your wife. The Prophet said, a good husband is a husband who loves his wife,” he said.

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  1. Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

    Jan 27, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    Yeah … that’s why they are treated like a chattel rather than a human being with self-determination. A valuable bauble to be possessed, hidden away and guarded.

    • J D S says

      Jan 28, 2019 at 11:12 am

      Why do Muslim biggies keep beating a dead horse? In islam if it’s in writing its the gospel…and the fact that Islamic writings indicate the woman is to be inferior to man then it’s gospel.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 28, 2019 at 8:46 pm

        They are hoping to snow the credulous Infidels, so that Islam can make dangerous inroads into our civilized societies.

  2. James Pierce says

    Jan 27, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    And what “honored” position would that be? Sex slave or beast of burden, perhaps?

    • mortimer says

      Jan 27, 2019 at 4:58 pm

      Islam ‘honors’ women if you really mean that Islam ‘degrades’ women …

      The hadiths of Mohammed, Islam’s false prophet, that insult and degrade all women:

      – I think that women were created for nothing but evil
      – Women have ten ‘awrat (vulvas). When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten (of her shameful parts)
      – A straw mat in the corner of the house is preferable to a barren woman
      – Women are toys, so choose (your ‘toys’)
      – The woman is a toy, whoever takes her, let him care for her [or do not lose her]
      – Had it not been for women, God would have truly, truly been worshipped
      – Men perished the day they obeyed the women
      – Obedience to a woman’s advice causes regret
      – Consult women and act contrary (to it)
      – Sneezing, drowsing, yawning in prayer, also menstruation, vomiting and nose-bleeding are from Satan
      – When…your affairs are in the hands of your women, the interior of the earth (hell) will be the better for you than its surface
      – If a woman offered one of her breasts to be cooked and the other to be roasted, she still will fall short of fulfilling her obligations to her husband. And besides that if she disobeys her husband even for a twinkling of an eye, she would be thrown in the lowest part of Hell, except she repents and turns back
      – Mohammed asked some women, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?” The women said, “Yes,” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of the woman’s mind.”
      – I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you (women)
      – I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women.
      – Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse
      – After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women
      – Don’t wear false hair for Allah sends His curse upon such ladies who lengthen their hair artificially
      – Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an
      – Women, slaves and camels are same
      – Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman
      – If you relax the woman’s bridle a tiny bit, she will take you and bolt wildly. And if you lower her cheek-piece a hand span, she will pull you an arm’s length … Their deception is awesome and their wickedness is contagious; bad character and feeble mind are their predominant traits
      – “[A man’s wife] fears him, while he fears her not, a kind word from him satisfies her, where nothing of hers has importance in his eyes, it is she who must tolerate the presence of concubines, and it is she who worries when he is ill whereas even her death would leave him indifferent
      – If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until morning
      – Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals [awan] with you and do not possess anything for themselves. You have taken them only as a trust from God and you have made the enjoyment of their persons lawful by the word of God, so understand and listen to my words…
      – Muhammad’s last words on women during his farewell speech:
      – God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness. Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control of their persons. (Sirat Rasul Allah. Translated in English by A. Guillaume. First published by Oxford University Press, London in 1955)

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 30, 2019 at 11:03 pm

        +1

  3. Georg says

    Jan 27, 2019 at 4:31 pm

    “Indonesia: Muslim leader says women have honored position in Islam”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JbaFq043TiE

  4. gravenimage says

    Jan 27, 2019 at 4:49 pm

    Indonesia: Muslim leader says women have honored position in Islam

    They have to keep telling us, because only by constant repetition can propagandists compel people to discard the truth and embrace the lie.
    ……………………….

    Entirely true. Judaism and Christianity and Hinduism and Buddhism don’t have to keep repeating this.

    More:

    “The Quran enshrines women in Surah An-Nisaa. An-Nisaa means women. There is no such Surah in the Quran Ar-Rijal (Men),” he said.
    ……………………….

    Ah, yes–and this Surah includes the infamous exhortation for Muslims to beat their wives.

    There is no Surah for men because there does not have to be–Islam is all about male supremacism.

    • Wellington says

      Jan 27, 2019 at 5:40 pm

      With you completely here, gravenimage. Anyone defending Islam’s stance on the female gender is manifesting either their ignorance or their mendacity. Delusion is an arguable third possibility. Most pathetic is any woman defending Islam.

      Ditto for any black defending Islam considering Islam’s far more extensive involvement in the African slave trade than that of the Western world, which was certainly bad enough, and made all the worse by Islam’s COMPLETE refusal to date to apologize for its involvement in said trade which was largely, though not entirely, ended by, how ironic, Western navies, particularly the British navy, which navies to this day get little credit, if any, for this great humanitarian endeavor.

      Islam is so sickening and in so many ways. I know you know this only too well, but my blood was up and I wanted to state it for the record yet again. Hope you are doing well. The world sure isn’t.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 28, 2019 at 8:54 pm

        +1

  5. mortimer says

    Jan 27, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    In Islam, the only women who are honored in this world or the next are TOTALLY SUBMISSIVE and OBEDIENT women. All other women are ‘problems’. We know how Islam deals with rebellious ‘problem’ women … Islam honor-kills ‘problem’ women.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 27, 2019 at 5:11 pm

      Grimly true, Mortimer.

  6. Indiana Tom says

    Jan 27, 2019 at 5:49 pm

    Muslim leader says women have honored position in Islam
    Well, he never said what kind of position they would have in Islam.

  7. TKF says

    Jan 27, 2019 at 7:28 pm

    Yeah, all you Muslima are honored under Islam….now put on your hijab and get your ass to the back of the mosque!

  8. Lydia Church says

    Jan 27, 2019 at 9:57 pm

    Yes… just a few inches above the ground.

  9. Georg says

    Jan 28, 2019 at 2:48 am

    If a hijab signals feminism, a burqa is the very image of liberation.

  10. JDow says

    Jan 28, 2019 at 3:26 am

    This is about the first time I have seen anybody try to make slavery into an honorable profession. Muhammadanism is an ism that is in the spirit of 1984. Good is evil. Evil is good. Slavery is freedom. Bleah!
    {+_+}

  11. islamic text says

    Jan 28, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    For starters, Islamic teachings state….
    Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Qur’an 4:34)
    Another translation:
    “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
    There is no ‘lightly” after “beat them” in the Arabic.
    Contemporary translations sometimes water down the word “beat,” but it is the same word “Darb” used in verse 8:12 and clearly means “to strike.”
    God made men superior ? Khadija maintained muham while he had spent day and night in cave. Mohd is talking non-sense. Obviously a fake or inferior religion. Sounds just like a common man (muhammed) calling it the Quran and making himself a religious leader.
    Mohammad first wife was care taker of house , she was rich Jewish lady ?
    Did Allah told Mohammad in Khadija life that beat up your wife?
    4:41 about Quran guiding mens on dominating Woman (Al Nisha).
    I can feel that Mohammed wasn’t happy with his marriage with a dominating wife twice his age, reputation and status and so he used to spend time alone in the caves of Jabal an-Nour where he received his first revelation after smoking weeds or drunk or when high which they say meditation.
    Ps: Clue, After his wife died he married lots of women.

    • In All the culture and civilization both husband and wife played their part to maintain each other
    Qur’an 4:34 gives the practice divine sanction. it is a husband’s prerogative according to the words of Allah himself
    Even the thought of hitting woman is utterly loathsome. Shame, deep shame, for Islam having this “provision” in its theological structure. it is ALL a huge mohammed’s scam in favor of the man. Anything in the Qur’an and Hadith or practiced by the “Prophet” can *never* really be opposed by pious Muslims.
    More:
    So the physical act isn’t to abuse her physically; it’s to degrade her mentally and make her your slave. Good to know. This is the kinder, gentler Islam. Don’t put her in the hospital or anything; just make sure she knows who’s boss
    I’m just some dude and not female but, personally, I’d rather take a beating than be driven mad.

    Islam/Muzzies care about a woman’s dignity? Or even think she has, or is entitled to, any?
    The hitting aside (big aside to be sure), hurting a woman’s dignity in this context is just another example of how Islam expects women to be subordinate to men. Screw this. Screw Islam.
    the Koran saying that the beating should not be severe enough to be visible. However, this is not as tough as it seems, since they are to wear a burka.
    Would the Muslims have shelters for lightly beaten women?
    how about we just lightly beat the imam. And then send him back to where he came from. Oh that would be a WOMENS womb, that can not be right he would be beating the vary MOTHER who brought his sorry ass into this world.
    When is it permitted? only when women are “disobedient”:
    “The one and only situation, in which a man is permitted to beat in a way that doesn’t harm, doesn’t injure, avoids the face, and doesn’t cause strong pain – is the situation of disobedience. Only a situation of the woman’s disobedience. The disobedient woman, the woman who is out of line, the woman who destroys the bonds of marriage, and the bonds of home and family. Aside from this, any type of beating, injuring, and cursing of the woman constitutes a forbidden act.”
    BIZARRE BEYOND WORDS !!!
    I guess these behavioral things show us what it’s like living in hell…

    ……………………………..
    What can constitute “disobedience/ disloyal,”?.
    There are minor disagreements in even the most loving relationships–which does not describe many Muslim relationships to begin with–so virtually *anything* can constitute “disobedience”.
    This is completely subjective. What constitutes “disobedience”?
    A difference of opinion on what to cook for dinner?
    Wanting to protect a daughter from child marriage?
    Wanting to leave an abusive marriage?
    Issues with mother-in-law or in in-laws
    Having sex slave/marrying other women/mutah marriage
    Property
    her husband doesn’t want to seek separation
    the most obedient women can be victimized
    And then, of course, the Qur’an notes that even the *fear* of disobedience is enough to warrant a beating–so even the most obedient women can be victimized.
    And extending this to fathers and brothers means that a woman can even be beaten when male relatives disagree on which of them she should be showing obedience to.
    And–needless to say–there are no such penalties for men.
    Far from being rare, women being subject to beatings would seem to be common in islam
    domestic abuse victims ‘have nowhere to turn’”
    Silence is often the only option for muslim women subject to domestic violence,
    K.4.34 “those from whom you FEAR disobedience”
    The man need only FEAR disobedience by the woman.
    is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE since the test is the PARANOIA of the man. Even if there is NO OBEDIENCE visible … he has permission to beat his wife FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON !!! No one is allowed to ask a Muslim why he beat his wife.
    The fear is entirely subjective in the mind of the man, and is not restricted by any need to be reasonably held.
    Male moslims learn early just what is allowed in the treatment of the females of the household.
    In general, Arabs, mohammdens have an old tribal warlord type culture ( That’s a nice way of putting it. Wouldn’t ‘criminal gangland godfather thug culture’ be more accurate )that is VERY machismo. They are taught to be so easily offended by things. So Touchy.
    Beat me to it. Pun?
    https://illinoisfamily.org/islam-sharia/anni-cyrus-shares-experience-sharia-law-iran/
    Mullahs & sharia judges contradiction:
    “The one and only situation, which is very limited and very rare, in which a man is permitted to beat in a way that doesn’t harm … is the situation of disobedience”
    – mullah or sharia judge is contradicted by Qur’an 4:34, which says that a FEAR of disobedience is sufficient; there need not be actual disobedience.

    Why are so many Quran passages so hard to understand? Let’s take chapter 4, verse 34 as an example. It goes:
    What is equal about that?
    “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other [ Allah has made the one *what* superior the other what? Is Allah comparing one sex to another sex, or one religion to another religion, or alternating current to direct current?
    And which one is superior and which is inferior?], and because they spend their wealth to maintain them [Pronoun problems: Who spends whose wealth to maintain whom?] .
    So the physical act isn’t to abuse her physically; it’s to degrade her mentally and make her your slave. Good to know.
    I’m just some dude and not female but, personally, I’d rather take a beating than be driven mad.

    Allah has trouble with antecedentless pronouns too (in 4:34, who are “they” and “them”?). About 1/5 of his classical Arabic is said to be garbled, and his English is not very clear either

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