Christianity has given us a country where 11 year olds dance for adult men who throw dollars on the stage.
Christianity gave us a church that molested children and sold out their flock (Covington) to the left.
A moderated form of Islam is probably the West’s only hope. https://t.co/kwwUsAdsfU
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) January 27, 2019
To that I responded:
Wow, No form of Christianity actually approves of 11-year-olds dancing for adult men, or of the massive criminal child molesting syndicate in the Catholic Church. Both clearly against Christian teachings. Have you converted to Islam yet? Do you know what Islam actually teaches? https://t.co/XbarcYknrE
— Robert Spencer (@jihadwatchRS) January 27, 2019
And of course there is much more that could be said. The evils Cernovich describes come from the abandonment of Christianity, not from Christianity. Islam in all its traditional legal and theological formulations denies the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, the equality of rights of women, the equality of rights of non-Muslims, and much more that directly contradicts Western societal norms (which are, of course, Judeo-Christian in origin).
I don’t know anything about Mike Cernovich. Is he joking? Is he trolling? Is he satirizing a particular point of view? Or is this a genuine opinion among people who dissent from the Leftist agenda? If so, like so many others in the West, they have no idea what they’re asking for.
Tokenn says
I follow Cernovich a bit…I don’t think he’s serious about this, although not saying it as a joke. I think it’s just an expression of disgust with some recent [and not so recent] events. I can’t believe that any knowledgeable person would ever suggest any kind of Islam as an antidote to the corruption found in some parts of Christendom these days. cf. bachi bazi boys and child marriage in Islam.
mortimer says
Tokenn, ‘Weird Mike’ just totally lost my respect. His overgeneralizations and slanders are hideously stupid. He should issue a full, immediate apology, but he isn’t man enough, I bet. His unrestrained irresponsibility makes ‘Weird Mike’ another gasbag.
J D S says
If he said it as sarcasm or if he meant it makes no difference…IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAID BY HIM OR ANYONE ELSE..Robert comes up with the most probable answer. “THE ABANDONMENT OF CHRISTIANITY” While more and more , Muslim Brotherhood financed mosques, are being built,in the mid east and in the west churches are being destroyed by Muslims and in the west Church doors are closing.
I’ve been around a long time and can remember how close to God The west was before, during, and st the end of WWII..The deterioration of Christianity began in the late 50’s and has continued till the present, spiraling into what has become so watered down version of Christianity. What’s happening with islam today would have been vanquished by the 40’s Christians before it even started with a BIG help from leaders of that era..
Why has Christianity spiraled downward to its low??? Some answers…Deterioration of THE FAMILY UNIT, LOW BIRTH RAT, MUCH TECHNOLOGY TOO QUICKLY, LIBERALISM IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM and GOVERNMENT…These are a few reasons. I’m sure one could find many others.
J D S says
+++++ERROR+++++ERROR++++WHERE I SAID..”in the west churches are being destroyed by Muslims… THIS SHOULD HAVE READ “in the Mid East churchyard are being destroyed by Muslims”” SORRY BOUT THAT.
Jramsix says
I’ve heard Mike many times. Very strong Christian values. I do not doubt his faith. He is using Hyperbole (something Jesus did a lot of) here to point out the destruction of our Judeo-Christian values. Multiple comments here demonstrate the danger of using hyperbole or sarcasm in a post. Mike is pointing out that if the rejection of Christianity continues, then all that will be left is Islam (God Forbid). At that point, our only hope would be a “modified Islam” that would not seek to enslave or kill us.
He is calling out the danger & warning us that the time is now to defend ourselves.
Dry Academy says
“Very strong Christian values”? You mean like the time wrote about fellating a she-male? Or the time he lied about being a practicing attorney, when he actually never tried any cases? Or when he was a one of the chief gurus of the utterly depraved “Manosphere” movement which taught young men to despise and abuse women? You obviously have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. This guy actually defended the lowlife scumbag Roosh when he mocked the young women who were sexually assaulted on New Year’s Eve in Cologne. This “baboon mindframe” grifter is the scum of the Earth.
Carol the 1st says
RS says he doesn’t know the man, “Is he a joker?”. Investigating a bit via rationalwiki he looks like quite the character (although some of his “conspiracy theories” don’t seem entirely outlandish). Here’s a sample of his thinking:
“Cernovich authored a guide for avoiding “false rape accusations”, which he has since deleted. The guide’s key points were: Film your sexual encounters; “take the whore out to breakfast”; and “if the police call, don’t answer”. Right.
Heather says
To the person who said cerno is a Christian, he has stated multiple multiple times he does not believe in God. He is in no way a Christian.
BC says
In Islam they have the right to MARRY eleven year olds (or less) and do so frequently, and on a point of accuracy it was the compulsorily celebate priests of the RC church who molested children in large numbers. As far as I know protestant clergy have not molested children or at least very rarely and usually in so called Christian sects.
Does this idiot also buy into sharia law?
The possibility of a moderate Islam being accepted by the a majority of Muslims is also extremely unlikely
Nan says
First, priests go into seminary knowing they’re signing up for a life of celibacy; second, protestant sects don’t get the same press, nor do other religions. We live in a fallen world and we’re all sinners so it should be no surprise that religious leaders commit crimes.
AnnaA says
BC,
There is a large problem of sexual abuse in the evangelical churches. It is not as well known because they do not have a hierarchical structure. It makes it easier for a molester to move from one church to another.
Also, the main problem inside the Catholic Church is homosexual abuse, not true child abuse. Different problem, just as evil.
eduardo odraude says
The point to remember is that when Christians molest children, that has no support from Jesus as portrayed in the New Testament and when found out is treated as a crime.
By contrast, the Qur’an takes for granted consummation of marriage with prepubescent girls, and according to many canonical hadiths Muhammad, the prime exemplar for Muslims, when in his 50s consummated marriage with the 9 year old Aisha, who had not yet begun menses.
http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/canonical-hadiths-say-muhammad-in-his.html
http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/had-aisha-reached-puberty-at-age-9-when.html
http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/islamic-scholars-explanations-of-quran.html
Also, since the “9-year old” statement refers to 9 lunar years, it is possible that Aisha was still what we today mean by 8 years old.
Jramsix says
I only wish it was limited to one Church. I have spoken with an expert who testifies nationally at these trials. He sees more % from Anglican & Assembly of God Churches. Look at Public Schools where up to 17% if students assulted before graduating. Texas published about 500 teachers arrested last year alone for abuse. The problem is systemic. Almost 85% of the abuse in RC Church, in 3 different studies show this is a homosexual issue with men abusing teenager boys. 5-7% are children victims. It continues because the media & no one else will call out what the homosexual lifestyle is. Tiger Woods was labeled a sex addict when he supposedly had relations with hundreds of women. Multiple Medical Studies confirm the average homosexual in San Francisco has over 3000 new sexual contacts per year. They can have over 100 in one night.
The big question here is who & what is protecting & promoting the gay life when we know they have the highest rates of suicide, drug addiction, depression, and so many other issues.
gravenimage says
Multiple Medical Studies confirm the average homosexual in San Francisco has over 3000 new sexual contacts per year. They can have over 100 in one night.
…………………….
Really? In an 8 hour night, that would be a new sexual contact about every 5 minutes. Citations, please.
Dry Academy says
Anyone who has been aware of this guy since the mid 2000’s knows that he is scum. Self-help guru grifter, Manosphere woman-hater, Roosh admirer, serial liar. And no, this is not a joke or hyperbole. He really does admire Islam. When the utterly loathsome Manosphere guru Roosh(who has openly boasted about committing multiple rapes) called for Islam to conquer the West after the Cologne mass sexual assault, Thernovich defended him and got angry at those who attacked him, calling them “fags”.
Carol the 1st says
Cernovich seems to consider himself “New Right” plus he’s fond of DonaldTrump. It wouldn’t be surprising if many failed to appreciate his often hilarious “tongue in cheek” professed opinions.
gravenimage says
Given his being married to a Muslim, I think it unlikely that this is satire.
Carol the 1st says
I’ve only just heard the name Cernovich but a glance at a few articles points to a pretty unique personality. I looked up this second wife, Shauna, (the first became a rabid feminist and that was that) and she comes from a Persian Muslim family. Her bio seems to reveal a pretty well-balanced woman (not the Sarsour type). So see for yourself:
https://www.marathi.tv/celebrity-spouses/shauna-cernovich/
ntesdorf says
Ignorance of facts and history can produce in the opinions of the sufferer the most amazingly obtuse ideas.
Mike Cernovich needs to get busy and read up on the Qur’an, Haddith and Sunna of Mohammed to get some real eye-opening details.
mortimer says
SPONTANEOUS, UNREAD, UNSTUDIED MOTOR MOUTH, Mike Cernovich, also known as “Weird Mike” or “Juicebro”, should be spanked for these irresponsible and slanderous comments.
Mike Cernovich is close to being ILLITERATE in the matter of religious knowledge.
By the way, ‘Juicebro’, it takes about 10 years to learn about Islam due to its VOLUMINOUS LITERATURE.
Have your read the FOUR MOST IMPORTANT ISLAMIC BOOKS ??? No, then how are you an ‘EXPERT’ on Islam???
Anyone who takes the example of pedophilia in one church and GENERALIZES it to ALL CHURCHES is simply irresponsible and a master of nothing but LAZY, HASTY CONCLUSIONS.
Uninformed opinions and slanders like those of ‘WEIRD MIKE’ can be found in any trailer park beer party.
gravenimage says
Mike Cernovich: “A moderated form of Islam is probably the West’s only hope”
……………….
Yeah, good luck with that. Lots of false moral equivalence, as well.
The fact is that we were safest from Jihad when Islam was kept mostly isolated from the civilized world. There has never been a “moderated” Islam.
OT, but Cernovich is also pro-rape. Here are two Tweets from 2013:
“Do a Google image search for ‘lions mating.’ That’s basically rape and it’s also the natural form of sex.”
“Rape via an alpha male is different from other forms of rape. We can’t really understand this, as our culture is too detached from instinct.”
He also claims that women are incapable of thinking for themselves, but are part of a “hive mind”.
I agree with some of his views, but *not* the above.
Given his view of women, one wonders why Cernovich doesn’t just convert to Islam?
mortimer says
Excellent, cogent thoughts from GI. Totally on point. Weird Mike has been over-imbibing ‘the juice’ and thinks that reading books is for sissies. He’s wrong about both. Anyone who recommends the Islamic Kool-Aid has lost it.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mortimer.
Carol the 1st says
Cernovich’s past (?) fondness for “oxy” might be making him lax in the research department. Felines would beg to differ with his presumptions regarding their vulnerability to tomcat advances (which he once claimed is the rapelike ‘natural form of mating’).
Just to set the record straight:
Your female cat is an “induced ovulator,” which means she has to be in heat to mate; she has to actively mate with a tom cat to ovulate and become pregnant. She’ll cycle in and out of heat until she mates or until environmental factors, such as shorter days, cause her cycle to stop on its own.
Females of other species have their own evolved protections also. It’s the human female that could use some help.
Manny says
Who the hell is Mike Cernovich and when did he lose his mind? If he’s serious, then he’s a dope.
Dry Academy says
He’s a shifty self-help guru who tells men they need to have the “gorilla mindset”. He’s a proven liar and scumbag who rides different waves on the internet to make as much money as possible. He’s also an extremely nasty creep who tries to promote himself as the Ultimate Alpha Male. He was one of the leaders of the utterly vile Manosphere movement until he decided who could make more money and get more attention rebranding himself as a MAGA Trump supporter. He’s loathsome.
Carol the 1st says
Cernovich likely enjoys being a blatant foil to idiotic Leftist distracting talking points. He’s often crass but nonetheless may be more guilty of being a little ahead of his time e.g.:
“The left isn’t going to stop going through our tweets [me: old, embarrassing ones] so we aren’t going to stop going through theirs,” Cernovich said. “I wish we would get over people trying to find someone saying a naughty thing. I’ve been saying that for years. And nobody wants to listen. So fine, we will play by the same rules.”
“I’m thrilled MSNBC has made the decision that people shouldn’t be fired over satirical tweets,” Cernovich said on Twitter. “This rule will surely be applied equally to all sides, and if it’s not, we will bring Sam Seder’s Tweet out every time the media goes after someone else for a Tweet.”
I doubt Cernovich would fit in well with totalitarianism and now that he’s found the right lady for himself maybe he’ll pass on the behijabbed.
Wellington says
Muslim liar or kuffaar fool.
Mockingjay says
Geez Mike – young boys dressed as girls dancing for and / or getting raped by adult men – does the term “bacha boys” mean anything to ya? Maybe you could ask an Afghan vet about it, he’ll explain it to you in detail.
Good God – what a bunch of ignorant idiots call themselves journalists these days.
Child sexual abuse is rampant across the planet – and the further away you get from the Western world, the worse it becomes. But Mike doesn’t have a clue. He thinks its only evil white – Christian – men who take advantage of vulnarable children – just like every true racist leftist does.
Mike,you complete ASS.
tiredofstupid says
Bravo Mockinjay exactamundo
mortimer says
MJ, yes ‘totally assine’. A real man and a real ‘ALPHA MALE’ would apologize.
Bill says
Funny, I think Mike has a direct line to Jorge Mario Bergoglio, because more and more I see that as his endgame.
RonaldB says
I didn’t see the tweet previously, and I follow Cernovich a little, but not a lot.
The first thing that popped out at me is that Cernovich thinks the trends show the West losing to Islam.
My own view is that I am fully confident the West would definitely be able to not only stop Islam, but to expel it from the West and confine organized Islam to Muslim countries. The biggest “if” is the West deciding to defend itself. Right now, the political leaders of the West are not only offering no defense to Muslim and other infiltrators: they are actively facilitating it. The greater the region of integrated government, the stronger the push to bring Islam in. For example, Italian cabinet minister Savini caused Italian port authorities to deny entry to migrants on ships bearing African “refugees” loaded and piloted by human traffickers in conjunction with Western NGOs. Salvini, through the behest of the European Union, is now facing Italian criminal charges. This is what I mean by depending on the will of the West, rather than the “superior” skills of the Muslims.
If you think that the West will inevitably fall to Islam, it’s not such a leap to say that the only hope of the West is that Islam will change its nature. There is an Indian, Muslim King in Spencer’s book, “The History of Jihad”, who lost his Islamic religion, and stopped all persecution by the Muslim kingdom against non-Muslims. Unfortunately, after the king’s death, his son was super-fanatic, and reinstated the persecutions with a vengeance. Such are the fruits of depending on a change in Islam.
I repeat: the biggest danger to being overrun by Muslims is the compliance and active participation by Western leaders and Western institutions, like the Catholic Church. Even the few “secular” states in the Middle East were toppled or opposed by the US government: Shah’s Iran, Hussein’s Iraq, Mubarak’s Egypt, Gaddafi’s Libya, and Assad’s Syria. There is a video of former CIA head Brennan falling all over himself to praise Islam. Some claim he actually secretly converted.
Wellington says
Yes, RonaldB, nine times out of ten the enemy within is a greater danger than the enemy without. Fools like Pope Francis, May, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau and, here in America, virtually ALL Democrats and not a few Republicans are a greater menace than Islam, which minus Western complicit fools could relatively easily be defeated.
RonaldB says
Thank you, Wellington. I no longer think of these leaders as “fools”. “Fools” implies that they are too stupid and ignorant to know what they’re doing, and would choose a different direction if they were smarter or more well-informed. I think of them as sociopaths, pursuing a personal interest in wealth or power, without caring in the least what the consequences are.
The Western system of government has devolved to the point where the sociopaths are the most suited to rise to the top. This seems to be systemic to the West, except possibly in Eastern Europe. What we have to do is not look to individuals, but to the system, and see where it needs to be modified so as to stress nationalism and self-interest, rather than the advancement of bureaucracy. I look to a form of government like the original Constitution, or even a government under modified Articles of Confederation, which predated the Constitution. I’ve been reading the anti-Federalist papers lately, and they predict with a startling accuracy the dangers of instituting a strong central government.
Unfortunately, the Federalist Papers are much better written than the anti-Federalist Papers, which may be one reason why they lost the vote.
Wellington says
Interesting comment of yours, RolandB, about the anti-Federalists (I believe Patrick Henry was one of them). Well, I think only the ignorant, the apathetic or the complicit think the size of the federal government today is about right. It is so top heavy, useless, wasteful and removed from the body politic.
Take the Department of Education as an example. Why the hell do we need any federal Department of Education? Even an old-fashion liberal (there’s a dying breed) like Joe Lieberman some twenty years ago rhetorically asked what good does the Department of Education do. Then there is the onerous EPA. I’m all for a clean environment but some of its regulations are ridiculous (e.g., considering drainage ditches on highways to be “wetlands” that if filled then there must be other land made into wetlands).
I fear the DC Swamp has grown so big no one, not even Trump, will be able to drain it. Trump has gotten rid of a lot of useless regulations but the Democratic Party in its entirety and not a small amount of the Republican Party despise the man in part PRECISELY because they want the DC Swamp kept in tact.
As for my use of the word “fools” to describe the people I did, it was just a generic term handy for me at the moment and thus I take your point about the kind of personality that is now attracted to leadership positions where a lot of power can be exercised. So, we’re pretty much on the same page here.
Hope you are doing well. Take care.
PRCS says
As Islam is a written ideology–which Muslims believe cannot be changed–it’s true: there is no “moderate Islam”.
But there are what can be referred to as “moderate Muslims”, the equivalent of Cafeteria Catholics.
The goal, IMO, is to make public, and unequivocally clear, which of Islam’s teachings (Qur’an and sunna) cannot be legally practiced here as they are incompatible with the U.S. Constitution and violate relevant U.S. law.
There’s no way that a Muslim’s beliefs–or those who follow any other religion–can be prohibited.
The practice of those beliefs which violate our laws can be.
And must be.
Carol the 1st says
“The freedom of anyone’s fist ends when it hits my nose” (paraphrase of Dr. Bill Warner). The whole world needs protection from predatory people who “get off” on self-congratulation and who would have the whole world ludicrously appear to validate their deen as a ‘religion’ while we’re being blown up by them etc. It’s like we’ve made a graven image of a verbal construct.
Kepha says
The only hope for the West is re-appropriation of biblical Christianity. I fully agree with Robert that it is the abandonment of Christianity that has given our civilization its current moral cesspool.
Kay says
+1
RonaldB says
Hello, Kepha. My opinion is not quite the same as yours. I think it necessary and perhaps sufficient to stop suppressing the practice of Christianity by Christians. The cultural Marxists go out of their way to suppress any expression of Christianity for good reason. The cult-Marx doctrine is to destroy Western civilization and the Western people at all costs. Christianity, and to a much lesser extent, Judaism, is central to the structure of Western civilization. It is not necessary that all people be practicing Christian, or even theists at all.
It is necessary to re-institute true freedom of religion, specifically, the right of companies and individuals to fashion work benefits and environments in accord with their beliefs, the absolute right of free association, so communities and work places may attain any environment which suits them. It would benefit Christians greatly if they formed relatively homogeneous communities. This, of course, would imply getting rid of laws forbidding discrimination in employment, housing, and the like.
Smaller, highly-identifiable identity groups, such as Hasidic Jews, strictly orthodox Jews, Amish, and the Nation of Islam have been able to segregate their own communities, partly because of being in protected classes, and partly because interfering with them would cause more trouble than power-hungry bureaucrats are willing to endure. Perhaps its time to turn the native population of Western countries into essentially, identity groups looking after their own interests.
Lydia Church says
“The evils Cernovich describes come from the abandonment of Christianity, not from Christianity.”
Exactly!
The West has turned away from Christianity, that is why they are plunging into sin. Christianity condemns all of these things, so it hasn’t given us any of them, but guards against them. The enraged left thus turns and attacks Christians. But islam does give us those things… as we already know, and many more evils.
The only hope is true Christianity, turning to Jesus in repentance and surrender.
PRCS says
As an atheist, I’m not engaged in sinful behavior.
Nor am I a leftist, a liberal, a Democrat or even a Republican.
The only hope, IMO, is for the public at large to rightly conclude that Islam’s theocratic “complete way of life” is both far worse than anything an uninformed liberal (present day definition) might believe about Christianity and that–in great measure–it is antithetical to and violates our man made, secular laws.
Laws which apply–equally–to everyone, without regard to an individual’s religious beliefs.
Kay says
+1
jimjfox says
+10 Rational people should have no need of ANY Sky Fairy.
Nan says
You might not acknowledge it but you’re a sinner like everyone is.
Pauline Bullen says
Nan…you say ‘Your’e a sinner like everyone else is’ ? how so ? and how rude !! I object to your ridiculously absurd assertion !
Carol the 1st says
“Sin” comes from the fact we’re descended from Adam – we have indirectly eaten from the apple and as a result have inherited knowledge of Good and Evil. We are consequently all “sinners” even if some of us may have never “sinned” in the conventional understanding of that term.
Nan, and most of us, probably have an inaccurate understanding of what it means to be a “sinner”. It may be more mystical than we commonly grasp.
somehistory says
Call him moslim or idiot…it is the same thing in this case.
I agree with the remarks by Mr. Spencer.
Poles apart is Christianity and what this guy is saying Christians do.
The things mentioned by the fool are not Christian or anywhere near. They are demonic. And those same things are found in the **real** islam that moslims and their advocates wish to conceal. And the giving of infants and tiny girls to old males to rape daily and call it “marriage.”…to then allow those same old males to kill the child if he decides to and not face punishment. To take that tiny child to a “doctor” for mutilation, to compare those children to animals of little value, and so much more than islam “offers” to those who have no knowledge. moslims would not be kind to those students who were verbally abused by the “Black Hebrews” and the Native American activists and the “left” who latched on for their own abuse, slander and libel.
If people actually practiced what Jesus did, and practiced what Jesus preached and commanded, we would live in a world so much different than what we do at present.
Barbara says
Thanks Lydia – PACE just this week bravely, officially, condemned Sharia Law as incompatible to Human Rights.
Christianity cleans up – Islam ruins; To compromise on the false ideology of Islam is to have a dangerous whishy whashy position!
CogitoErgoSum says
Hmmm……in a way I suppose you could say that Judas was a Christian but then again I think it would be wrong to say that he was a true believer in Christ. A lot of people who think the same way Judas did are calling themselves Christians today — the same way Nathan Phillips calls himself a Vietnam era “recon ranger” but is afraid of some high school kids. I guess if it’s all that bad, Mike, you can follow Judas and go find someplace to hang yourself. But, keep in mind that Christ has been betrayed and left for dead before. It happens a lot.
Charles says
I’ve been following Mike for some time. I think he is confused. Mike has friends and family who are Muslim, and he likely sees the tightness of family and the intolerance for the toxic deviations we are experiencing in the west. But where Mike is mistaken is when Islam is empowered then you have blasphemy laws, and culturally stifling censorship. Perhaps he should listen to Ani Cyrus who was given away into marriage as a child under the rules of Sharia. Girls as young as 9 can be married to older men as was the case for Abu Bakr’s daughter Aisha being married to Muhammad. Perhaps he should watch the beheading video of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen under the halal imperatives of theological justification. Mike needs help understanding Islam, and moderate Islam is just Islam peppered with denialism.
I saw Mikes movie Hoaxed. Its a movie worth seeing. If Mike can understand the proclivity of the media to lie, I hope he can understand that the lies do not just apply to the media. We need to remain principled and I hope a leader as bright as Mike can do a little more research before making such statements. But I certainly concur, that the way the Covington Boys were sacrificed by their own church, to appease the wolves in the media was shocking and disturbing. The Church is terrified of the media. Cowards!
Terry Gain says
Being terrified of the media and Islam is rational. McLuhan was close. The. Media controls the message.
CogitoErgoSum says
That’s an interesting point. The messenger for Christians is Christ. The messenger for Muslims is Muhammad. People can look up for themselves what each one said and compare the messages but most people won’t take the time to do that. They let the media tell them what Muslims really believe or they let somebody like Lady Gaga tell them what it means to be a “real” Christian.
RonaldB says
I’m like you. I follow Mike, although only occasionally. His videos are generally too long and rambling to endure.
But, I interpret his post to mean that the West is doomed, not that Islam is the savior. Whether you agree with that or not, it does not mean we should turn to Islam. Anyway, if a modified form of Islam is required, you’re already screwed. Islam has self-correcting mechanisms involving the assassination of reformers and any Muslim deviating from Sharia law. The few “moderate” Islamic sects that exist are under constant attack from the mainstream Muslims.
thebigW says
“Mike has friends and family who are Muslim…” that’s one of the ways Muslims make our society ready for the slaughter in the future.
gravenimage says
Charles wrote:
I’ve been following Mike for some time. I think he is confused. Mike has friends and family who are Muslim, and he likely sees the tightness of family and the intolerance for the toxic deviations we are experiencing in the west.
…………………………
Actually, I find forced child marriage, sex slavery, and mass rape far worse than any deviations we are experiencing in the West.
Anyone who thinks that Islam is moral is a fool or worse.
Marian Borron Paul says
I’ll become an atheist.
jellydonut says
Mike Cernovich is a moron and a troll.
He’s probably trolling.
At the same time, the man has a history of plain-old misogyny and rapist apologism, so one could see how he would personally be enamored with the tenets of Islam.
dan christensen says
“A moderated form of Islam is probably the West’s only hope”
should be:
“A moderated form of extermination of islam is probably the West’s best hope”
Marigold says
You are spot on Robert! This Cernovich fellow whom I personally have never heard of hasn’t an ounce of common sense. It is the abandonement of Christianity which is the cause of the evil such as he mentions. Although I can’t point to the exact place in the Gospels where Christ said it He did say that he wouldn’t find faith on earth when He returned.
SuchindranathAiyerS says
As wannabe Caliph, Erdogan correctly said, there is no such thing as “moderate Islam” or “Islamic Extermism”. There is only Islam. Yes there are active Moslems who practice the Quran and hadiths openly such as Taliban, Islamic State etc. and those who are as yet passive.
Madrassas are Madrassas because they teach the Quran and the Hadiths.
A student of the Quran and the Hadiths is known as a Talib (the plural of which is Taliban).
The ideology of the Islamic State is nothing but the Quran and the Hadiths.
So Madrassas mass produce Taliban to promote ISIS ideology and carry out the command of Mahomet to enforce the Sharia on the rubble of civilization in the name of Allah.
The term Taliban gained currency when the large numbers of Taliban (students) indoctrinated in Saudi-Qatari-Kuwaiti –Brunei etc Petro Dollar funded Sunni Mosques and Madrassas, all around the World, to carry out Mahomet’s injunctions to establish his form of banditry and rapine on the rubble of all civilization began to make their presence felt. This was done as per a deal struck by the Saudis with the Wahabis to ascend the throne of Arabia with funds that petro dollars made possible.
The Taliban were mobilized to be trained in a CIA-Pakistan established staff college of terror called Al Qaeda (the Base) by CIA instructors recruited from Baader Meinhof, Basque, Irish Republic Army, Ex British SAS and French Foreign Legion mercenaries, Drug Cartels and others .
Daesh (ISIL to Obama, ISIS to the media and Islam as per the Quran and the Hadiths) has repudiated the Taliban oath of fealty to the Guardian of Muqqa and Madhina (The Tent of Saud). Other than this, they are Taliban.
The Sunni Islamic (Umma) agenda then and now remains to carry out Mahomet’s injunctions and establish a Caliphate over the rubble of ALL civilization. The US objective was to get the USSR out of Afghanistan. The Pakistan Army comprises, largely, Taliban, like Musharaff himself. ISIS. Jaish e Mohammed, Harkat ul Mujahideen, Al Shebab, Boko Haram, Indian Union Muslim League, the Pakistan Army and others are different regiments of the same Caliphate comprising different bodies of the same Taliban. The rest is Taqiya, Murram, Kitman or whatever,
I wonder why media persists in this disinformation that each regiment of Taliban, whether Boko Haram or Jaish e Mohammad, are distinct from Islam. Is this because of the writ of the US Deeper State (The US-NATO-Sunni Axis forged with Petro Dollars by Nixon, Kissinger and the Tent of Saud that, in collaboration with the military-industrial axis, has directed US foreign policies and wars ever since)?
Muslim forays into Europe began shortly after the religion’s inception (622), with a short lived invasion of Byzantine Sicily by a small Arab and Berber force that landed in 652. Islam gained its first genuine foothold in continental Europe from 711 onward, with the Umayyad conquest of Hispania. After they were finally kicked out of Europe in 1489 except for tiny, lingering cancer cells planted by the Ottomans, Europe is now in danger of falling into the maws of Islam once more.
After the Aryas (People of Dharma who adhered to Brahmin Law) of Asia Minor, South Asia, South East Asia and the Slavs, the Poles and the Iberians of Europe had fought Islam to a stand still at great cost in blood, treasure and territory, Pax Britannica put Islam in its place undoing the Mehdi, dismantling the Ottomans and pacifying the Middle East, South and South East Asia and much of the World disregarding the strident protests of Khilafat Gandhi. Politically, it was Gandhi who really enabled and fostered the notion of India as an Islamic Nation in line with the agenda of Mahomet, which led to partition..
However, Pax Americana has revived the Jeehad bil Saif of Islam with White Hice and NATO decision and opinion makers since Richard Nixon, Kissinger and Yamani forged the US-NATO-Sunni Axis forged with Petro Dollar with the White House as fulcrum, what with Clinton bombing Belgrade for 84 days to hand over Bosnia and Kosovo to the Caliphate and with Bush and Blair deflecting anger over 9/11 from the perpetrators, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, to what was a secular and modern Iraq. Obama has thrown Syria, Libya and Europe to the Wolves.
Nothing will change unless Mahomet’s Code of War and Garrison Rules Manuals, known as the Quran and Hadiths are banned.
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Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I don’t pay any attention to Cernovich. I’d rather spend my time reading up on relevant stories like this following one:
“Voters back Muslim self-rule in Philippines’ troubled south”
https://www.rt.com/newsline/449723-muslim-region-philippines-referendum/
No Fear says
No mention of the Bacha Bazi Afghan boys who are openly molested by older Afghan males…..
Indiana Tom says
Christianity has given us a country where 11 year olds dance for adult men who throw dollars on the stage.
Never saw that, but in Muslim counties, the 11 year old girls are going to be doing a lot more than just dancing. The 9 year olds will be having sex.
L.J. Middleton says
Your first sentence was unrealistically unintelligent. Our politicians have given cause for grown men to dance around little boys sexually on Canadian streets during LGBTQ week, nothing to do with Christianity. As for Muslim girls they are given in marriage by their parents to older men is normal for their Islamic culture. On the other hand there are other cultures that have done the same though the girls are usually at the age of about twelve or thirteen, including Western European and British culture in the past. It was quite common for young girls to be married to older men to establish blood ties with other Kingdoms. Islam is a holdover to that ideology. Are you aware that the Qur’an has many Sura’s that have been stolen from Torah and the Bible, and almost word for word though twisted to Islamic theology. My belief is that most of the Qur’an originated from the Caliphs who stole ideas from Christian, Jewish and Pagan religious cultures and not from Muhammad’s revelations. The Qur’an is a bastardization of the Bible and Torah, but most Muslims are unaware of that reality.
gravenimage says
Ludicrous false moral equivalence from “L.J. Middleton”.
Indiana Tom says
Christianity gave us a church that molested children. In Muslim countries the boys will do a lot more than just being molested.
and sold out their flock (Covington) to the left. Catholic Liberation Theology in action.
el Cid 2. says
“Moderate” Muslims cannot leave Islam for fear of being killed for apostasy. It has been said that, without apostasy, Islam would have disappeared long ago. What this means is that we cannot rely on Muslims to change Islam. We must totally discredit it (defeat it) ourselves.
L.J. Middleton says
The only point to make here is that Islam cannot be moderated because the average or moderate Muslim has no ability to change his religion. Christianity and Judaism have been changed from the inside to become more moderate, although one of the basic problems with them is that few will engage in the political realm. Islam has no such ability to change itself from within because it’s closed since the 9th century to change. So, Mike here has not asked the question about who exactly will change the religion. Just saying moderates is irrelevant. Muslims do not have the power over their religion, it has the power over them through the clergy and the radicals. People in the West just cannot face reality about Islam because they view it the same as Judaism and Christianity. Because the Jews and Christians moderated their religions, with a lot of help from the socialist-leftist anti-religionists, to be more open. For Christians it would be what would Jesus do to the LGBTQ and non-religionists? All he would say, “Go, and sin no more,” Muhammad and Allah would say, “Kill those who abandon their religion.” Just a slight difference …. right? I don’t dislike Muslim or Islam. I quite well understand that their faith is one of supremacy, intolerance and hate for the Kaffirs, but they hide it well by always claiming victim status.
TruthHonestReality says
Isn’t Cernavoich married auto a muslime ?
gravenimage says
Yes.
Giacomo Latta says
Could we please have a discussion about someone who is not a total idiot? His fifteen minutes are up.
E. Renaud says
I think JESUS made it quite clear what he thought about abusing children and the penalty that would be imposed. Thanks Mr. Spencer for responding to that stupid tweet. Mr. C might want to consider the abusive and deadly treatment of children in Islam. I can’t believe people waste their time reading and writing tweets to strangers. I
Tom S. says
Mike Cernavoich probably doesn’t interact with real Christians much on a personal level. The Christians I see the most and turn my kids over to for a couple hours per week are kind and good, teaching them/reinforcing basic moral lessons in the context of scripture, singing songs and playing games with them and the kids of other good families in our community. The kind of deviance MC reads about in the newspapers wouldn’t even enter the minds of these people if it weren’t for insane city people and the left, thinking that the denominations that accept that kind of deviancy aren’t really Christians. I’m glad my kids are still too young top read the Internet.
Let me give a warning to Islam: There are a whole bunch of Americans, mostly Christians, who don’t pay attention to you except when you pull off a MSM-reported act of terror, and then they are momentarily appalled and go on with their lives. At the point these people feel their lives are threatened by you, they will demand the release of such destruction on you as you can’t imagine. 9/11 was out of the blue and people were put a bit off-balance by it. It was probably the first time the majority had even thought about Islam as a threat. Do something like that again, and it will be met with an overwhelming response that will set your project back centuries.
janwog says
Moderate Islam is the door opener to Islamism. Just look the development in Indonesia.
Michael Villano says
Cernovich is married to an Iranian woman so maybe this is influencing his uninformed opinion.
Weird he’s never seem to have heard of Baca bazi.
No Muzzies Here says
11 year-olds dancing for perverts is not part of Christianity.
Churches don’t molest children. Members of the church did, in defiance of the teachings of Christianity.
When a Muslim bombs a church or kills an infidel, he is acting in full accordance with the teachings of Islam.
Islam allows no moderation. Muslims kill moderates and anyone who they feel is not Muslim enough.
vladdi says
He’s an InfoWars troll:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Cernovich
Tom S. says
There are few more committed Christians than Alex Jones. I suspect we will be hearing a lot less from Mike Cernovich there, or Alex will confront him about his comment. Think hard about your calumny against Alex Jones and Infowars.
gravenimage says
Alas, while Jones makes a few good points, he is also a 9/11 “Truther” who denies the threat of Jihad.
Victory in Christ says
I have heard of this person but have not followed any of his postings. I wonder, as some of the others, if this is sarcasm. As far as what he comments about being the evils of Christianity all of those events is the result of departing from Jesus Christ. I have been reading some postings that islam is to be insulted by stating Jesus Christ is Lord. Ok…Jesus Christ is Lord.
If he wants to get an idea of what islam will bring us, read the books by Robert Spencer, Pamela Gellar and Brigette Gabriele.
KWJ says
Child trafficking goes on in Islamic countries from Iran to Indonesia and well known now in England. So does child marriage and I know on Iran girls as young as 11 have gotten pregnant. Girls and young boys procured for Saudis by important people here and in England, at least in the 90s, and such is considered their culture. Parents prostituting as young as 8 year olds in Thailand or wherever else. Thing is, these things go on in all countries but not all religions sanction slavery, child marriage as Islam does.
Whatever his point was, it was a stupid comment especially considering Christians are being persecuted and killed in Islamic countries. A Nigerian woman said to me on a YT thread regarding FGM, “Do you know that they (Muslims) can go into a church any time they want?” What she was talking about was dhimmitude. I know Christians have been massacred in Nigeria, but I didn’t know that. She also mentioned the priest killed in Iraq and the murderer bragged about it. You all know how bad it is but do Muslims gather en masse to protest the treatment of their other citizens? No, they gather for things like someone drawing a cartoon of Muhammad or the Coca Cola logo or toilet paper. Islam is a blight on humanity. There’s something mentally wrong with Islamic countries that they still feel the need to treat others like sh*t including black Muslims and Indians. Chinese workers and non-Muslims.
Cernovich shouldn’t have tweeted that. It shows an insensitivity towards faithful Christians around the world who are trying to practice their faith and getting killed for it.
Carol the 1st says
Yes, you wonder what specific situation he had in mind. Perhaps his remark is taken out of context and was designed mainly to target certain people or hypocrisies.
Mirren10 says
”I don’t know anything about Mike Cernovich. Is he joking? Is he trolling? Is he satirizing a particular point of view? Or is this a genuine opinion among people who dissent from the Leftist agenda? If so, like so many others in the West, they have no idea what they’re asking for.”
I didn’t know anything about him either, so googled, and came up with his wikipedia page. He sounds like not only a nutter, but an idiot.
What does he consider to be a ”modified form of islam” ? Given that everything in the koran is the word of ‘allah’, never to be changed, etc, etc, who is he trying to convince ? Who will ‘modify’ the unchangeable word of ‘allah’ ? Him ? Good luck with that chumbawumba ! He sounds like a thouroughly unpleasant, mysoginist pos, who isn’t very clever. Dear me, the world is full of fools …
Dry Academy says
There is nothing surprising about this coming from Thernovich. He was one of the leaders of the Manosphere which basically advocates for women to be treated in the West like they are in Muslim countries. I have always considered the Manosphre to be an Islamic fifth column movement. One of it’s chief gurus, The loathsome Roosh, is half Persian and though I don’t think is actually a Muslim, has Islamic cultural influences in his background.
gravenimage says
Yes–“Roosh” is generally a nasty piece of work. Besides being a misogynist, he is a vicious antisemite, and hates gays and poor people.
Worst of all, he wants rape to be legalized (he later claimed this was “satire”).
He may not be a practicing Muslim now, but it seems likely that Islam informs his ugly worldview. He has also recently grown a big Islamic beard.
TrueFreeThinker says
I think what he means is that we’re basically done. Islam and leftists have won and we just don’t know it and it’s only a matter of time until we all see it and it’s font and center in our faces.
I’m outraged about Catholic Church and what they’ve done, l don’t blame Christianity and l don’t know if he does or not? Not everyone understands Christianity like when we hear people say things like “why did god let them die” these people don’t understand much it would seem to me.
I don’t want Islam and mudslimes to win but if they do or have then the best we can hope for is moderate islam because it could be we’ve lost and if that’s the case wouldn’t moderate islam be the best case scenario for us?
I will fight against that but l don’t know how many others would.
gravenimage says
Don’t preach surrender here. It is not over yet–unless we roll over in the face of evil.