As part of the campaign, the group also is running radio ads from Dec. 24-26 and doing a big push on social media. It has held open houses at different mosques and members are speaking at K-12 schools and universities.
Members of Sabeel Ahmed’s group are speaking to many audiences, including K-12 schoolchildren. Are school boards monitoring these appearances, this early childhood indoctrination? Are school boards, teachers, parents not alarmed? Do they think such propaganda efforts by smiling Muslim apparatchiks, well-versed in taqiyya, should be allowed in public schools, especially among the very young?
He said the group has received about 40 calls from Arizona residents interested in learning more about Islam and the similarities between the different religions.
Similar campaigns are happening in other cities nationwide, he said.
Ahmed said while unity should be celebrated year-round, The Humanitarians chose to launch this campaign in December because people are more spiritual during this time of year. He said Jesus is also a central figure in Christian holidays.
It sounds almost as an afterthought: “Jesus is also a central figure in Christian holidays.” You bet he is.
“We want to let Christians know how much we love, admire and respect Jesus,” Ahmed said.
Of course he does. What better way to reassure Christians about Islam than by Muslims stressing their “love” for Jesus in the Qur’an? Nothing will be said about how Muslims deny that Jesus was the Son of God, and that they regard Christians, for believing that Jesus was divine, as guilty of “shirk” or polytheism.
He said he hopes that once groups see there are more similarities than differences, they can work together to tackle other issues such as poverty, racism, gun violence and extremism.
The “similarities” consist of precisely this: Islam and Christianity are both monotheisms, and both claim to be “abrahamic faiths.” Abraham is seen by Muslims as their forefather, the physical ancestor — father of Ishmael, grandfather of Esau — of the Arab people, while for Christians, Abraham is seen as their spiritual ancestor. They are both “abrahamic faiths,” but in very different ways.
“First we have to do away with the fear of the unknown. Second, we have to educate each other on the commonalities of the faiths. And once we overcome that barrier, we can join together to better humanity,” Ahmed said.
Sounds good. But why stick only to educating about “commonalities”? Why not a free and frank discussion of all the ways Islam is different from, and Muslims contemptuous of, Christianity and Judaism, with which it supposedly has so much in common? That would require going off the interfaith script, and these days, that’s a tall order.
The Rev. Larry Fultz, director of the Arizona Interfaith Movement, said while he was not aware of the campaign, it’s a message he supports.
He said especially during such politically divisive times, celebrating the similarities between different groups is important.
If “celebrating the similarities” by Muslims means deliberately misleading Christians as to what Islam teaches about Christianity and Christians, then such “celebration” is to be deplored, and is not “a message” that the innocent Rev. Larry Fultz, up to his ears in interfaith (mis)understanding, should support. Instead, he might devote some time — he owes it to his flock and to himself — to studying the Qur’an and Hadith. No more pleasing interfaith pieties, please — we’ve had quite enough of that. Only the truth, however disturbing, will do.
“Anything that any group is doing to encourage dialogue, I’m for it. That’s our mission, to find things we have in common,” he said.
No, “finding things we have in common” is not your mission. Your mission is to find out the truth about what Islam inculcates, especially its view of non-Muslims, and the duty to wage Jihad against them — and then to educate your own parishioners. Feel-good support for those who are engaged in Taqiyya is a betrayal of that, your true mission.
Start your study of Islam straight from the scripture’s mouth, Rev. Fultz, by reading Qur’an 2:191-194, 4:89, 8:12, 8:60, 9:5, 9:29, 47:4. These are a handful of the 109 versus that command Believers to engage in violent Jihad, to “smite at the necks” and to “strike terror” in the hearts of the Unbelievers. Then take a look at 4:34, to learn about how a Muslim man may “beat” his disobedient wife. Finally, take a look at Qur’an 3:110, that describes Muslims as the “best of peoples,” and then read Qur’an 98:6, where Unbelievers — that is, all non-Muslims — are described as “the most vile of created beings.” That’s a mere ten verses of the Qur’an, a kind of starter-kit for a self-directed course on Understanding Islam. There’s more, of course, in the Hadith. There’s the story of Muhammad’s consummating his marriage to Aisha when she was nine years old and he was 54. There’s the delight he expressed upon hearing of the murders of three people — Asma bint Marwan, Abu ‘Afak, Ka’b ibn al-Ashraf — who had mocked him. There’s his participation in the slaughter of 600-900 prisoners of the Banu Qurayza. There’s his buying, selling, and trading of slaves. There’s Muhammad’s remark that “War is deceit,” and his famous claim that “I have been made victorious through terror.” It’s a course of study that all ministers, priests, and rabbis should undertake before they make pronouncements about Islam to their flocks. Whereof they do not know, thereof they should not speak. The knowledge about Islam that they acquire through their own study, rather than relying on Muslims eager to present their sanitized version of the faith, should dampen their enthusiasm for those interfaith gatherings — you know the kind — that no matter where they start from, always end up as sly apologetics for Islam.
Battle says
The sign really says, “You are still infidels.”
mortimer says
The sign really implies YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO REALIZE WE ARE USING THE FALLACY OF AMPHIBOLY … declaring that two distinct and separate ideas are actually the same.
Yeah… we Christians are too stupid to see your fallacious trickery and the hoaxes of Mohammed in the Koran.
(sarc/off)
rubiconcrest says
“All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.”* This statement is something one might say we all have in common. But what is it’s source and what are the remaining 24 parts of the program? So Hugh is correct. While we may have some things in common with Muslims the remainder of the program will determine how we should treat the ‘program’, in this case Islam.
*Source: Hitler’s National Socialists Program, 24 February 1920 Germany
gravenimage says
+1
Walter Sieruk says
When Muslims attempt to “reassure” Christians they ” revere and love Jesus too” is should always remember an understood that Islam’s denies of the Bible’s doctrines of and about the actual nature of Jesus is blasphemous. For Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God. That is the Son of God the Father. Likewise, Islam denies the Jesus is God the Son. What blasphemy! For the Bible does, indeed, teach that Jesus is the Son of God, Matthew 3:16,17. First John 2:22 23. As well as hat Jesus is God the Son, Hebrews 1:8. First John 5:20. As a former Muslim who is now a Christian had explained “In the Son, the real issue of belief is certainty entering the Kingdom of heaven in the life and the full Deity of God lives in Him. He therefore is able to transfer people to the heavenly kingdom and unite them with God.” [1] The last three words, “them with God” meaning God the Father. The Bible confirms this about the Deity of the Son. The Bible teaches “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” Colossians 2:9. [N.I.V.] Therefore, in the Light of the Bible, Islam is a false religion, Isaiah 8:20. John 14:6.
[1] ISLAM AND THE SON OF GOD by Daniel Shayesteh page 222
mortimer says
‘Reassuring Christians’ in this manner has the REVERSE EFFECT. The Koranic ‘ISA’ insults the intelligence of Christians
Christians are ALARMED and UPSET by the absurd DISTORTIONS of the life, nature and character of Jesus within the Koran. Any Christian reading about ISA in the Koran instantly sees the Islamic ‘ISA’ as a self-made, fabricated HOAX and nothing else. .
gravenimage says
Mortimer, the problem is that most Christians and other infidels have not read the Qur’an and other texts of Islam. Many are all too happy to swallow this Taqiyya.
Watchingtheweasels says
The other problem is that far too many people in the west don’t read the Bible. If they did, such treachery would fall on deaf ears.
Walter Sieruk says
When Muslims tell Christians that they “revere and love Jesus too” they refer not to the Jesus of the Bible but the “Jesus” of Islam who according to Muslim doctrine from the Quran was a prophet of God and nothing more. The “Jesus “of Islam is not God.
For Islamic [Koranic] doctrine denies the Jesus is God. In other words Islam denies the Deity of Christ. Nevertheless, the Bible teaches “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” Colossians 2:9. [N.I.V.] Moreover, the Jesus is God may further be seen in the Bible. As in, for example, John 1:1-3. Colossians 1:15-17. Romans 9:5. Second Peter 1:1. Titus 2:13. First John 5:20.
In addition, for a person to further find out that Jesus is God all a she or he has to do in to compare the Old Testament with New Testament to see that Jesus is God. As by comparing Isaiah 45:22, 23 with Philippians 2:5-11. Likewise by comparing Psalm 89:8,9 with Matthew 8:23-27. Will also confirm that Jesus is God. Also by comparing Psalm 62. 5-7.with First Corinthians 10:4. Just by comparing the New Testament books together will like show that Jesus is God .For example, comparing John 5:22. with Romans 14:12 shows the Deity of Christ. The list can go on but this should be enough for anyone who is willing to see, and not as those who Bible calls those who are willingly ignorant, II Peter 3:5., that Jesus is God.
The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain “ all this away by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted by Christians, through time, and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. This claim they make very much underestimate the Power of God to preserve His Word and keep it safe and intact and away from the corruption of men. In conclusion, The Muslim clerics strongly dislike the Bile because the Bible greatly exposes the terrible doctrinal errors that Islam with the Koran as Islam’s foundation have concerning the nature of Jesus. Likewise the Bible exposes Islam as a false religion, Isaiah 8:20. Proverbs 14:12. All dear Muslims then are invited to turn away for the false religion of Islam and come to and receive the real Jesus of the Bible. Who is the True Light to the world, John 8:12. and the only way to God the Father , John 14:6.
mortimer says
Complete nonsense and humbug and the fallacy of AMPHIBOLY … taking two separate meanings as though they had the same meaning.
Muslims do not in fact know or care about the Jesus of the NT. The author of the Koran made so many egregious errors in the various stories about Jesus, that it is obvious that crafty informants were intentionally misleading and deceiving the Koran’s author.
There is NO EXCUSE for such errors in the Koranic stories about Jesus, because the New Testament was WIDELY AVAILABLE available in MANY LANGUAGES at the time of Mohammed, Mohammed could easily have consulted well-educated clergy and Christian scholars of his time. Moreover, Mohammed could have paid someone to read and interpret the entire SYRIAC or GREEK Bibles and thus he could have learnt the entire Bible. He did not.
The latest explanation of the Koran’s factual errors is that Mohammed had Jewish and/or Christian slaves who craftily MISINFORMED him about the contents of the Bible, so that Mohammed would appear to be an ABSURD FIGURE in front of Jews and Christians.
There is actual evidence in the Koran that Mohammed was soundly ridiculed in Mecca due to the many ERRORS and CONTRADICTIONS in his made-up revelations.
Mohammed eventually realized that he had been tricked and changed his method from persuading Jews and Christians to compelling them through jihad.
No Christian who knows the New Testament will recognize the Koranic Isa as anything but an absurd HOAX.
CHICKENHEAD says
“Islam loves Jesus too” is one of the many lies. It’s right next to the other lie that “Islam means peace” (it doesn’t, it literally means SURRENDER).
commonsense says
Let me add to all of this that there is a canonical hadith, certainly familiar to all knowlegeable Muslims, which predicts the return of Issa, the Muslim Jesus, heralding Judgment Day, who will at that time abolish any remnant of Christianity, declare the primacy of Muhammad as the Last and Greatest of the prophets, and establish the universal acceptance of Islam (e.g. Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Bk. 43, #656).
So Jesus in Islam is a Muslim prophet subordinate in importance to Muhammad, and Issa’s role at the End Times will be to deny the legitimacy of Christianity, repudiate it, and administer the coup de grâce to what’s left of it. I doubt if our Muslim friend will mention this at any of his interfaith events.
commonsense says
Let me add this to my comment: The Muslim envisions Judgment Day not only as the aftermath of the destruction of Christianity but also as the aftermath of the annihilation of all remaining Jews, as per the canonical hadith of Muslim: “Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet averred that the Last Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews, who will hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry out ‘O Muslim! O slave of Allah! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him!’ All but the gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, Bk. 41, #6985 – also found in Bukhari)
So it is the obligation of Muslims to murder all Jews still alive just prior to the Last Day. In addition, Jesus will reappear and destroy what remains of Christianity, affirming the primacy of Islam and Muhammad. Will
Sabeel Ahmed mention THIS to his audiences?
gravenimage says
Good posts, commonsense.
Old Fat Bald Socially Inept Ron says
The 1st step in all con jobs is to gain the trust of your of your intended victim.
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somehistory says
There are laws against this. Teachers are not even allowed to answer questions students may ask about religious beliefs. Some schools have illegally banned students from praying before sports events, and have stopped speeches at graduation exercises when Jesus Christ or God are mentioned, turning off microphones.
This indoctrination should not be happening and parents are allowing their children to be abused by these moslim creeps.
Parents and other interested persons should make signs that read: “Today we have come to warn you that you should avoid noisy prayers and the use of Issa [Jesus] in your prayers,” the four assailants said as they intruded into her home at 2 p.m., according to Gimbo.” and carry them in protest.
Other signs could quote other victims of moslim hatred and violence against never-moslims and ex-moslims, Christians and Jews.
dan christensen says
“We want to let Christians know how much we love, admire and respect Jesus,” Ahmed said.
Rather –
“We want to let the Chickens know how much we love, admire and respect bird Gods,” Ahmed the Fox said.
Well-known bird gods: Horus,Thoth, Huitzilopochtli, Hecate, Thunderbird, Morrigan, Manannan Mac Lir and Garuda.
Jesus and all these bird Gods existed a long time before Ahmed’s Arabian lunar god accidently popped up – as a straggler.
jewdog says
Sure, they love Jesus, their Jesus, not the Christian one. Jesus, yes, Christians, much less so. Read the fine print.
gravenimage says
+1
Indiana Tom says
“We want to let Christians know how much we love, admire and respect Jesus,” Ahmed said.
6I am astonished how quickly you are deserting the One who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ.…
8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a divine curse! 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you embraced, let him be under a divine curse!…
Indiana Tom says
…3I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily.
That about sums it up for the Muslim Jesus and interfaith dialogues with Islam..
infidel says
Taqiyya served cold and hard…
gravenimage says
Muslims Reassure Christians: We Revere And Love Jesus, Too (Part Two)
……slaughter ……………
As I have noted before, the main role of the Muslim “Jesus” (“prophet Isa”) is to slaughter Christians in the last days.
A few years after 9/11, I ran into a table set up by “Why Islam” in the subway in San Francisco. I asked the Muslim manning the table about just this–I thought he would either waffle or lie outright–to my surprise, he did not. He justified it by saying “of course–because Christians lie about him”.
But Sabeel Ahmed will not tell you about this.
dhans says
You have to recall from the Hadiths that in the time of Revelation, the most reviled person will be called “the king of kings”. Who exactly is this Jesus they are referring to? No one I am familiar with from Christianity.
Michael Copeland says
“REMNANT CULTS”
“It is unbelief, “kufr”, to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions such as Christianity and Judaism are acceptable to Allah….”
Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller”, w4.
Battle says
Hugh Fitzgerald, good one.