They claim that they were entrapped. Could you be entrapped into trying to commit mass murder? Neither could I.
“Dozens could’ve died in foiled terrorist attack, Prosecutor says,” by Janene Pieters, NLTimes, January 10, 2019 (thanks to David):
The Netherlands escaped a terrorist attack that could’ve resulted in “dozens of victims” with the arrest of seven suspects in Arnhem and Weert in September last year, the Public Prosecutor said in court on Thursday – the first proforma hearing in this case. Only three of the six suspects still in detention were present at the hearing, AD reports.
“The suspects said goodbye to friends. These suspects were on the way to commit an attack, with dozens of victims. The Netherlands escaped a major attack”, the Prosecutor said….
The police infiltration started on May 18th last year, after intelligence service AIVD informed the police that main suspect Hardi N. was planning an attack….
Shortly before their arrests, four of the suspects attended firearms training at a home in a holiday park in Weert, Limburg. What they did not know is that the two men who gave them training and provided the firearms, which had been made safe, were undercover police officers. The home was full of eavesdropping equipment and cameras. When the four left the park in a van, they were arrested. Three others were arrested in the Arnhem region. One of the seven suspects has since been released and did not have to appear in court on Thursday.
The suspects who did have to appear are 34-year-old Hardi N., 21-year-old Wail el A., 21-year-old Nabil B., 21-year-old Morat M., 30-year-old Shevan A. and 26-year-old Nadeem S. All of the suspects originally came from the Arnhem region, but some of them moved to Rotterdam and Vlaardingen recently….
The lawyers representing the suspect claim that the police infiltration was entrapment. “The Public Prosecutor helped to create this group. The idea to have the boys train came from the infiltrator. Thus fear of an attack was created. It would not have happened without the Public Prosecutor”, the lawyers said, according to the newspaper.
Bill says
The terrorists will always obtain firearms. Any government that would deprive its law abiding citizens of them is enabling your status as victim. Such a government should never be trusted. Terrorists and criminals know this. Terrorist or criminal, the police seldom can protect you when the attack happens. Their presence in a general sense and operations like this one may yield some protection, but police cannot be everywhere and when seconds count, they are, at best, minutes away. The right to defend oneself is natural, god given. Responsibility for the defense of oneself begins with the individual.
tom parry says
Bill, i think it is wrong to have such free gun laws in America, criminals can access guns much more easily, especially jihadists whom have no record. The guys caught had no weapons let’s hope they get deported after doing hard time, best just to deport them after castration because most prisons in europe are holiday camps and jihad recruitment centers. I am for common sense gun laws.
Bill says
Criminals always get them, always. Terrorists are supplied with them. Do you really believe the fantasy that because the Netherlands has strict gun laws, these terrorists would not have obtained any?
Tell me any place on the globe where criminals and terrorists do not? Please do not say England. Please do not say France. The fact you use the words “common sense gun laws” is repetition of a mantra unworthy of even a parrot and informs me that you are unfamiliar with firearms, how they work, how to use them, and would in any case where it mattered, consent to be the victim.
For goodness sake, in England you can get arrested by police (with firearms) who criminalize what you say on the internet about Islamic terrorism or muslim rape gangs. That is where common sense gun control has left the once free English. French citizens this weekend who dare to wear yellow are likely to get a bitter education in what going along with common sense gun control is really all about. What they did not learn from Charlie Hebdo, they will learn from their own treasonous government.
I am content to take my chances here in America with our wrong “free gun laws”. At least my chances are fighting chances.
The whole idea of individual rights of self-defense and owning the means to effect it, especially for the common man, were a gift of the Renaissance to Western Civilization. And as we are now at risk to domination from a 7th century culture, it troubles me that those who purport to resist it are willing to surrender the ultimate means that breathe life into that resistance.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed! The right (and the ability) to defend your own life is the most basic human right there is. No government should be allowed to take it away. And no people should be stupid enough to give it away.
Also, the right to be armed is what allows us to defend our other basic rights, such as free speech, against the rise of totalitarian governments. The “common sense” gun laws embraced by the Brits have left British patriots in a very bad position now, relative to their increasingly-tyrannical government. It may well require violent revolution to restore sanity to that nation and to prevent its Islamization (if Anne Marie Waters’ For Britain party is not able to accomplish it via the democratic process); and the British people are at a severe disadvantage because they gave up their right to be armed.
J D S says
Entrapment….Wonderful! Entrapment if one wants to call it that, is one of many ways to keep murderers off the streets.
In this time of what had been called the “THIRD JIHAD”every possible effort should be made in tracking down and arresting those Muslims who, using their Satan Driven religion, as a means of murdering innocent citizens.
The big problem is that Islam does not recognise what these terrorist. (JIHADIST ) are doing is actually murder because the writings, sayings, and teachings they have been indoctrinated in tells them that it isn’t MURDER to kill those who won’t bend to their way.
If laws need to be changed to fit the situation of Islamism and what Islam stands for, then DO IT! Our religious freedoms are a wonderful thing, so are all the other freedoms that our constitution allows but if something needs to be done to show that Islamic laws don’t fit into our laws then do something about it..Law makers need to quit being cowards and so politically correct and start acting like people who want to protect their constituents and our Constitutional rights and privileges..Don’t let them BE USED by those who want to kill us.
freedom says
Tell that to the relatives of the victims slaughtered in the over 300 ! MASS killings in the USA last year.
The slacked arsed gun laws that exist in the USA has created a suburban arms race that is indirectly responsible for those mass killings. The connection is obvious to any reasonable person and thoroughly denied by gun toting suburban Joes.
In the ( hopefully not too distant ) future this gun culture behaviour will be looked upon universally with sheer disgust.
Bill says
Say what you will. The statistic you cite is false. Those “suburban joes” you falsely accuse art not the criminals. Good luck preserving your “freedom” wherever you are without them. You may have already lost it, and don’t even know it yet.
Savvy Kafir says
“freedom” — You have chosen a very odd user name, for someone who clearly doesn’t understand how important the most basic freedoms are, and how they are protected.
gravenimage says
I noticed that, as well…
Savvy Kafir says
In the future, people will look back and wonder how sheeple could be so stupid as to give up their right & ability to defend their own lives, and the ability to defend their free societies against tyrannical governments.
Savvy Kafir says
300 mass shootings in one year? While you’re cooking up ridiculous numbers, why not make it 3,000? Or maybe 30,000?
Savvy Kafir says
That figure of 300 mass shootings in one year must be based upon a VERY liberal definition of “mass shooting”. If a gang-banger whacks a couple of rival gang members, I don’t consider that a “mass shooting”. That’s just business in the ‘hood. And that sort of thing accounts for most of the gun homicides in the U.S., every year. (And most “gun deaths” in the U.S. are suicides.)
christianblood says
The Netherlands and Islamic jihadists are a very close bed fellows!
Just like the U$, France, UK, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Nato. etc the Netherlands gave hundreds of millions of dollars to the murderous islamic jihadists fighting to overthrow the Syrian government, including the Al-Qaeda “White Helmets”. Personally, I don’t give a dime if the Netherlands and its jihadist bed fellows blow each other up! Both are my true enemies! Both HATE Christians!
christianblood says
See the funding that the Netherlands gave to the jihadists below:
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/the-netherlands-stops-supporting-syrian-rebels-ahead-of-idlib-offensive/
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
Personally, I don’t give a dime if the Netherlands and its jihadist bed fellows blow each other up!
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This is, of course, not quite true–actually, christianblood has said many times that he wants to see Muslims conquer the West. He has even demanded that God make this happen.
If he *really* cared about Christians he would not want to see Muslims conquer the heart of the Christian world.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Why should I care if the evil and the satanic jihadist-loving West and their jihadist buddies blow each other up! I wish they finish each other off! After all, they are true bed fellows and they both really, really hate Christians! Even small, insignificant Netherlands gave hundreds of millions of dollars to islamic jihadists that are fighting in Syria, including Al-Qaeda White Helmets: See the description below:
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/the-netherlands-stops-supporting-syrian-rebels-ahead-of-idlib-offensive/
gravenimage says
Note that christianblood does not deny that his fondest wish is to see Infidels destroyed by Muslims, and for Islam to triumph. *Very* disturbing.
Russia constantly enables Islam, but I have never wanted to see Russians harmed by Jihadists.
Compare and contrast.
gravenimage says
Also, if he didn’t care one way or the other, christianblood would be fine with the West defeating Jihadists, which given his posting history here is clearly *not* the case.
abad says
Deport, deport, deport. Moslems have NO business being in the Netherlands.
gravenimage says
+1
Joss says
Or anywhere in Europe!!
Michael Copeland says
“I and my party call for completely forbidding Islam on Czech soil.”
Jiri Kobza,
Party of Freedom and Democracy
Savvy Kafir says
That’s an awesome quote, from someone who understands the enemy.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed! Muslims have no business living in the West. They are infiltrators and enemies of civilized societies.
mortimer says
If someone offered CHURCH-GOING Christians $1 M to go to a Muslim market and set off a bomb while shouting ‘DEUS VULT’, they would IMMEDIATELY CALL THE COPS to arrest the idiot with such ideas.
However, Islam has 164 JIHAD VERSES in the Koran and when taken together, they paint a picture of JIHAD-GENOCIDE and TERRORISM.
You could not tempt Christians to commit genocide in God’s name, because it is clearly against the Golden Rule. Islam does not have a Golden Rule … Islam has K.29.48 “followers of Mohammed are HARSH towards the disbelievers …”
Muslims are only practicing Islam when they HATE the dirty kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’.
Muslim who practice ALL of Islam humiliate and subjugate kafirs. Most Muslims are ignore the DUTY OF JIHAD.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mortimer.
mortimer says
correction K.48.29 ashidaa=violent or harsh
Wellington says
The Islamic burden to all mankind continues—and especially in the West since the Western elites, for whatever ultimately indefensible reason, have in our age erroneously concluded that Islam is just another religion (N.B., my God, an eleventh century cleric, Pope Urban II (1088-1099), had a more accurate calculation of Islam’s worth than do most Western elites in our time, which can only function as an indictment, in general, of our time).
Mankind going backwards is never a good thing. Extolling or even exculpating Islam serves as prima facie evidence of this verity.
Rufolino says
“Extolling or even exculpating Islam” ??
Obama, President of the United States, did this ALL THE TIME !
Wellington says
I agree. I might add that I think Obama was the worst President in American history and I wrote to him shortly before he left the White House in January of 2017 and detailed to him why I thought as I did. No surprise, I did not get a reply.
melek-ric says
Yep, now that the courts here in Canada have created a precedent by acquitting Nuttall and Korody of their July 1st Victoria Legislature jihad bomb plot on the basis of “entrapment”, every jihadi or terrorist group is going to scam the same defense. Thanks, Justice Catherine Bruce of the BC Supreme Court.
Indiana Tom says
They claim that they were entrapped.
Yes, they were aspiring rappers about to turn their lives around.
gravenimage says
Netherlands: Muslims got firearms training, plotted “major” jihad massacre with “dozens of victims”
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Entrapped? What crap. No decent person want so mass slaughter innocent people–only Jihadists want to do this.
Kay says
After all they were just “boys”. sarc/off
Savvy Kafir says
Right. I don’t think you would see any Amish, or Quakers, “entrapped” in this way.
tgusa says
They got training. Woohoo! They always plan to attack the disarmed and untrained, you can plan on that. They do this because they lose badly when they try to attack the armed and trained, even when they themselves are armed and trained.
simpleton1 says
Then there are the returned ISIS. members.
Will it then be said after a massacre, that the killers were entrapped and trained by ISIS members, and so nothing to do with “true islam”.
Frederick King says
I think, “vibrant diversity” that includes a religion like islam, is nothing but begging for trouble. Yes, many of the muslims won’t bother anyone. The next fact is when the radical ones do their terror stuff, the moderates won’t help run them down. As soon as their are enould muslims in a country, they will force their religion on you by the sword. This religion cannot reform, like others. It’s “holy rule book” says it’s the last religion, and it’s perfect. You must comply.
Kilauea says
This is why countries should apply the death penalty to attempted terrorists. The only reason they didn’t kill lots of people is because they were stupid and got caught. Their public execution by guillotine will quell the restless pagan horde. They may even decide to leave. Imagine if most of Europe did this and all the Muslims moved to England, France, and Germany.
lebel says
“Could you be entrapped into trying to commit mass murder? Neither could I.”
I think this is actually a powerful point and cannot really think of a valid counterpoint. Entrapment is a real thing but unless the officer is threatening to kill your family unless you act, there’s no possible justification. Caveat: not a legal expert
gravenimage says
This is rather an amazing admission from lebel–glad to see it.
J. R. Alexander says
The Muslims receiving firearms training is also being carried out in Broward County, Florida by Muslim Deputy Sheriff Nezar Hamze, the leader of the local Hamas-funded C.A.I.R. unit in Southeastern Florida. [Deputy Hamze’s boss is the former, recently suspended Sheriff Scott Israel who was in charge of that Department during the massacre of 14 children and 3 adults inside the Marjory-Stoneman-Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida on February 14, 2018.] I’m certain the SE Florida C.A.I.R. unit is not the only Hamas-funded organization in the United States offering such training to the “peaceful” Muslim, jihadist-prone community.