This is a momentous statement. When Barack Obama left office, the Islamic State caliphate looked as if it was here to stay, and was following the precedent of the Palestine Liberation Organization in moving from being considered a jihad terror group to being respectable. But now it is almost all gone, although the Islamic State still commands the allegiance of many Muslims worldwide, and has called for lone wolf jihad attacks in Western countries.
“The threat from radical Islamic terrorism is going to be with us for a while,” says Pompeo.
Well, yes. It has been with us for 1,400 years, as The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS demonstrates in detail. There is no indication that it is going to end anytime soon.
“Mike Pompeo: ‘We’ve taken down 99 percent’ of the ISIS caliphate,” by Diana Stancy Correll, Washington Examiner, January 7, 2019:
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said “99 percent” of the Islamic State’s caliphate has been destroyed, reinforcing the Trump administration’s case to withdraw 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria that have been working to combat the terrorist group.
“We’ve taken down 99 percent of the caliphate. Ninety-nine percent of the caliphate. That should be the first sentence in every story. Right? Everybody agree?” Pompeo told reporters as he headed to the Middle East for a week. “Anybody dispute the facts? This has been an enormously successful campaign.”
The reference to the ISIS “caliphate” regards the stretch of territory across Iraq and Syria controlled by the Sunni extremist group five years ago in which they imposed strict Islamist rule.
Pompeo also dismissed comparisons to former President Barack Obama’s decision to withdraw troops in Iraq in 2011, which critics have argued fostered the rise of the Islamic State.
“I am confident we will continue to ensure that the kind of rise ISIS had under the Obama administration doesn’t occur again,” Pompeo said.
“The threat from radical Islamic terrorism is going to be with us for a while, and we’re determined to stay at it and continue to make sure that the resurgence of large land-based caliphates like ISIS don’t happen on our watch,” Pompeo said.
President Trump announced in December that ISIS had been defeated and that troops were “all coming back and they’re coming back now” — a move which prompted the resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. Trump has since toned down his urgency. He tweeted Monday that the U.S. will “leave at a proper pace while at the same time continuing to fight ISIS.”…
jule says
I suppose he knows there is a new one born every day. Is that too much to suppose? And is he talking about only Iraq/Syria or has he seen Malaysia, Ireland, Qatar, Egypt, Afghanistan etc? And has he read the Qur’an/Hadiths and listened to the ‘sermons’? For some reason Immediately felt we could trust Pompeo to finally be someone who could start doing the right things, successfully.
gravenimage says
You think that Ireland is a Caliphate?
jule says
Ireland has become infested with the ideology as much as any place else and specifically Because it seems so impossible, under the radar things I have read and they type of Imams who all get together to ‘visit and speak in Arabic or Iranian’, inciting the ‘Palestinian issue’ and BDS is outrageous. Some Muslim people have even thought it would become the next al Qaeda/MB secret leaders Center. And no one would suspect. keep an eye on it. Keep your ear to the ground.
Michael Copeland says
With a million “migrants” from Africa, Afghanistan, and so on being inflicted on the Irish people the Caliphate will gallop ahead.
“A Million Parasites for Ireland”
https://gatesofvienna.net/2018/02/a-million-parasites-for-ireland/
“The Crushing of Irish Culture — It Has Been Decided”
https://gatesofvienna.net/2018/03/the-crushing-of-irish-culture-it-has-been-decided/
J D S says
To even recognize any terror group as a CALIPHSTE..in fact to even recognize the word CALIBRATE is not in the interest if FREEDOM……ISIS was and still is just a Terrorist Group filled sith those who want to take our freedoms away from us and replace them with a barbaric outlandish way that butts up against Everett that FREEDOM stands for and everyone and every Freedom loving government should , with any force necessary, destroy such group/groups .
The big problem with destroying those who want to take away hard fought FREEDOMS is that people think that Islam is just a passing fad and it will go away just like many other fake religion…NOT SO! Read Robert Spencer’s book/books..especially “The history if jihad from Muhammad to ISIS” or if one has the time and resources find out for oneself.
gravenimage says
There is no doubt that things are bad in Ireland now–I have not heard anyone claim they are the Caliphate yet, though.
Kessler says
While the Caliphate dreams of Islamic State seem to have been crushed – or at least halted, the ideology lives on as strong as ever. Regardless if IS is physically defeated, their beliefs of Islamic superiority is reflected in the minds of millions of muslims worldwide – that Sharia is superior to Western democracy, that Islam should be granted immunity to criticism/satire, that unbelievers are inferior, that Islam must be spread in Dar al Harb etc etc…..
I came across this brilliant series called “what a billion muslims believe” – it sums up and analysis Pew research results – full document available for download in the description of the 4 videos. Spread it – this deserved more visibility!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcD4IiTE5Y
jule says
Did anyone really think ISIL was THE CALIPHATE and not just one individual part of the movement of Islam? Its like Muslims were asked: are you living in Sweden now?–No–we live in the State of Islam. Same with those in Michigan or Germany etc.
KWJ says
Maybe in Syria and Iraq, but ISIS supporters all over from the Philippines to Mexico. Then there’s al-Qaeda and about 30 or so other terrorist groups and militias, so it’s like Whack-A-Mole. I hope the Yazidis are safer and their girls not being taken and sold as sex slaves; they were especially attacked and are a minority.
Still, it’s good news for Iraq and Syria.
mortimer says
Mike Pompeo is a tough, realistic man, but is he realistic enough to see that ISLAM WILL BE WITH US FOR SOME TIME … that is UNTIL THE TIME that Western governments realize that ISLAM IS INHERENTLY JIHADIC. Jihadism is the teaching that JIHAD is the most IMPORTANT ACTIVITY for a Muslim. Jihadism is NORMATIVE ISLAM, rather than an aberration. If you cannot understand JIHADISM and the MOTIVATING HATRED of Islam (al Walaa wal Baraa), you have not grasped the CORE ESSENCE OF ISLAM and you should NOT BE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT ISLAM.
christianblood says
(…US claim of defeating ISIS is absolutely ludicrous…) Dr Marcus Papadopoulos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk0xJ6I4K2Y
Wellington says
But Trump, christianblood, has done far, far more to effectively deal with ISIS than the pathetic Obama did. Meanwhile, Putin extols Islam as intrinsic to Russia, presides over the largest mosque opening in Moscow with complete approbation, allows Sharia to be implemented in Chechnya, makes the stupid distinction between “Islam” and “radical Islam” (or words to this effect), and yet you continually only want to inveigh against the West for coddling Islam.
Well, the West has stupidly coddled the worst religion time and time again. But so has Putin. Difference here is that so many in the West know this and acknowledge it, for instance yours truly, but for you Russia can do no wrong—always wonderful, always correct.
Well, you give away time and time again more than you realize. Pure propagandists always do. And please spare me another repeat of the video of President Reagan supporting Muslims in Afghanistan in the 1980’s. He did so, just as America aligned with the brutal Stalin against the brutal Hitler during WWII, because you fight the enemy du jour and often align with others who are doing the same, even though they are less than savory. And the USSR seeking control of Afghanistan in the 1980’s was, once again, the enemy du jour, pushing its dismal Communist nonsense geopolitically to overthrow the terrible “capitalist West,” never mind that said West, as with Reagan himself, was on the right side of history and Russia was once again stupidly on the wrong side of history.
Your turn. But please, no more of the Reagan video. Spare me at least this ad nauseam post of yours.
christianblood says
Wellington
Why do you hate seeing video of Reagan hosting Taliban and Al-Qaeda jihadists in the White House? What about John MCcain (RIW) screaming “allahu akbar” in support of his Syrian jihadist buddies? See it below:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/09/03/sen_mccain_shouting_allahu_akbar_like_saying_thank_god.html
Wellington says
Just like you to conflate matters, christianblood. I brought up Reagan who functioned in the 1980’s and you switched to McCain in 2013. This would be like blaming FDR for siding with Stalin against Hitler in WWII by way of bringing up the current PM of the UK or the present Pope for making all kinds of excuses for Islam.
peter says
Regan was an intellectual midget and most short sighed president but for whom Al Kaida , Taliban and all the great Jihadi terrorist organisation would have been non existent . McCain proudly declared that he was a foot soldier in Regan” army .
gravenimage says
christianblood is the only Infidel I know who is upset at our taking down the Caliphate.
jule says
But we have not taken down the Caliphate or the State of Islam inside most countries today. ISIL was just one extreme (extreme according modern thinking) idea of the Movement. The Caliphate is bigger than ISIL. Its just wording but the movement of Islam is crazily unified in a very disunited way today. They only will fight over Who or Which gets to lead but all agree on Islam to rule. They do have long range plans and stages with different ways of carrying out the stages.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Like they did in Libya, US and its allies tried to use ISIS and many other jihadist groups like Al-Qaeda ,FSA and others to overthrow the Assad government of Syria and it failed. Please see Dr Marcus Papadopoulos in the clip above, he says it in much, much better English!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI
gravenimage says
Right–taking down the Caliphate is–somehow–actually supporting it…
gravenimage says
Jule, no one said that taking down the Islamic State was the same as taking down all of Islam, nor that there will never be more attempts to refound the Caliphate. Right now, I’m just glad that there are not open sex slave markets there. Celebrating victories is not the same as resting on your laurels.
In the same way, I’m glad we have shut down the Somali pirates–while acknowledging that this doesn’t mean that there will never again be any Muslim piracy.
wsieruk@yahoo.com says
Near the end of this jihadwatch site article it informs the reader that “President Trump announced in December that ISIS had been defeated…”
This is all so true, even before December 2018 on 9/25/ 18 President Trump during a speech declared “ISIS has been driven out of Iraq and Syria.” This is both a truth and a triumph .so far so good. This is actually very good.
Likewise, the scholar and author, Robert Spencer, in his latest book which has the title of THE HISTORY OF JIHAD FROM MUHAMMAD TO ISIS . For on page it reads “When Donald Trump replaced Barack as president of the United States, Iraqi forces and other began rolling up the Islamic State strongholds, such that within a year of the beginning of the Trump Presidency, the Islamic State had lost nine-eight of its territory.”
As good as the collapse of that Islamic “state” is we must not remember that the source and inspiration for and of that vicious and murderous jihad entity, ISIS, has not collapsed .Therefore we should not let our guard down regarding such heinous dangers. The source and inspiration is Islam.
Since the actual inspiration for ISIS is Islam and the entire foundation of Islam in based on the Quran is should be asked the ,very important, question “How to truly defeat ISIS once and for all ?” The answer to that question was provided in a speech by the ISIS spokesman, Abu Muhammad al Adnani, now dead, in this speech he had declared “True defeat is a loss of willpower and desire to fight…” he further explained “We would be defeated and you victorious only if you are able to remove the Quran from Muslim hearts.” All this leads to a very important question: “Is the Quran the Word of God or is it a fabrication of a man. Thus, is the Quran the truth or a fiction and a hoax ?” The jihadists, as those of ISIS use many verses from the Quran as the main source of justification for their violence, mayhem and murders. As found in For example, 2:191.. 4:47 5::33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4 The answer is clearly given on pages 145 through 157 in THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey in which he wrote a section on the Quran with its self-contradictions. Just two of the many he cited are the following “The Quran differs on whether a day is a thousand years or fifty thousand years in God’s sight’ and “Who was first to believe? Abraham or Moses [Sura 6:14 versus 7:143] The above is inconsistent and illogical. Further, Morey wrote about “The fact that Judaism and Christianity broke up into different sects was used in the Quran to prove that they are not of God [Suras 30:20-32. 42:13, 14]. Yet Islam has broken up into many warring sects and therefore cannot be true if the Quran is right.” Moreover, Morey in his book shows many more contradictions and absurdities in the Quran, there are and how Muhammad incorporated extra Biblical and Jewish folklore along with pre-Islamic Arabian myth and parts of Zoroastrian and Hindu stories into the Quran. Furthermore, the Muslims claim that “the Quran is the direct, literal word of God unmodified in any way by the Prophet who uttered them at the bidding of God.” Nevertheless, in the book UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet and Eethi Caner has shown that the Quran was modified in the following account on pages 45. “Muhammad felt the need to improve on the words of Allah, since he changed Allah’s wisdom for his own on several occasions. A hadith tells of the nonchalant emendations of Muhammad:’ On a number of occasions he [a scribe] had, with the Prophet’s consent changed the closing words of verses. For example, when the prophet had said ‘God is mighty and wise ‘ Adbollah b. Abi Sarh suggested writing down ‘Knowing and wise’ and the Prophet answered that there was no objection. Having observed a succession of changes of this type, Adbollah renounced Islam on the grounds that revelations, if from God could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as himself. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites.’ Other writers reveal that later Muhammad and his people did go war with the Qorayshites and he personally killed Abdollah. Obviously Abdollah knew too much and Muhammad wanted Abdollah’s knowledge to die with him.” In conclusion, the Quran is not only a fiction, it’s also a hoax.
Raja says
Walter,
you have typed you email address instead of your name under the new page. Hope you are well protected from the marauding jihadists.. God bless…
Carol the 1st says
Maybe JW could help eliminate this danger by adding to the Name field: (required – but please do NOT put your email address here).
A little OT but YouTube just out this video of “Mike Pompeo’s provocative speech in Brussels on Dec. 4th in which he questioned the value of multinational organizations and institutions like the United Nations and the European Union”.
Trump administration downgrades EU’s status in US, without informing Brussels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHIANq6OB0w
Walter Sieruk says
To Raja, think you for letting me know my error .Many times many time is limited and something I keyboard in great hast. Still stand with what I posted and will not ever apologies to any for it. I posted , to either a Muslim or non-Muslim. As for your message of “Marauding jihadist ” I’m not afraid of them ,at all. For example , i had a special tee-shirt made with the words printed on it “”About the jihadist Threats -No where to run,. No reason to hide.” I wear it, often,during the summer and mean it .To back this statement up, I live in Harrisburg PA. So if a “marauding jihadist wants to get me he may try and he find discover the results. The don’t frighten me.
jule says
Ever heard of Waraqah ibn Nawfal? He lived at the time of Mohammed (same tribe) and was a cousin to both Kadija (Mos wife) and third cuz to Mo. He had converted to Christianity from the pagan Arab religion and became a Priest who wrote several books, including translating the old and New Testaments into Arab. He is the one Kadija took Mohamed to when he threatened suicide/insanity/possession and hallucinations in the cave. Waraqah sold him the story that he was actually a profit and was bringing aa religion greater than Judaism/Christianity to Arabs (and eventually all the countries they conquered.) All together Kadija, Waraqah with & using Mohamed worked it out from that Arab priests knowledge of Old and New Testaments.They laid the ground work for the warlords. Thats really what happened. Look the guy up. Even Wikipedia will tell you.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Thank you, Jule. Very interesting pointer.
Gordon Miller says
Agreed.
Anjuli Pandavar says
“We would be defeated and you victorious only if you are able to remove the Quran from Muslim hearts.” All this leads to a very important question: “Is the Quran the Word of God or is it a fabrication of a man.
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You’re still to respond to the last time this was debunked. Simply copying and reposting it isn’t smart, especially in light of the security lapse above.
Bill says
I find it hard to believe. How many times have we “declared victory”, only to have reduced Islamic terrorism to just below the boiling point? ISIS was an intentional creation of the Obama Administration. He pretended to fight it while allowing to grow. If we have at least ended that framework, that was worth the effort. I would rather see us focus on securing our borders, stopping our voluntary importation of Islamic terrorists and weeding out the ones that Obama and the Democrats spent eight years bring here and spreading around.
Go after the corporate, financial and political institutions that are financing the Islamic invasion. They are the true traitors and they are among us.
christianblood says
Bill
+1
Terry Gain says
Go after the corporate, financial and political institutions that are financing the Islamic invasion. They are the true traitors and they are among us.
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The true traitors are those who have accepted Muslim immigration. Demographics are destiny.
gravenimage says
Someone else who claims that Jihad was created by the West. Try again…
jule says
I think what people mean is that we helped them grow and sold them weapons and still do. Especially the West ideas (that includes Europe who was always called the West before we began) of BDS and the poor Muslim Palestinians fighting for the goal of Islam. And we did it/ do it because of Multinationals & Media working over there. (Germany is one of big ones with both Arab League and Iran) But of COURSE Russia and Asia does it too. Everyone wants the profit. I do not see any ‘Good guys’ but I like some of Trumps Policies so much better than the alternative.
DHazard says
Islam, the youngest of the World’s major religions, has been responsible for more murder, mutilation and torture than Stalin and Hitler combined. Which is closer to the truth:
1. Trump is literally Hitler
2. Hitler is literally Muhammad
The ending of the ISIS caliphate is not going to change anything. It is all very predictable since we have a 1400+ year track record of Islam’s atrocities and Muslim avarice. Just look at the years following Muhammad’s death for an illustration. There are Muslims who actively want to bring back those years. And since Islam evolved to support political power, conflict is intrinsic to it and cannot be removed without emasculating the religion.
The battle is between ideologies and education. If Islam is exposed to the light of day a decently educated person would reject it. And that is where leftists with real power, namely the big Silicon Valley holier than thou posers, stand in the way of a safer World. After ruining someone’s career for not being exactly like them they retire behind layers of high tech security, far away from the white middle class they despise, and also far away from the brown people who might bring down their property values.
end of rant
Wellington says
Fine post, DHazard. My compliments.
On a very, very specific point, while I completely agree with you that Islam is the youngest of the world’s major faiths, nevertheless in Muslimthink, Buttlims (once again I often call Mohammedans this because of the ridiculous posture they assume when praying—with asses in the air), and as Robert Spencer himself has pointed out, actually think of Islam as the oldest religion and that all religions coming after it, examples being Judaism and Christianity, distorted the true, wonderful, perfect, blah, blah, blah religion which existed before all other religions.
This helps to explain why Islam appropriates not only Jesus but those long before his time, for instance Noah and Moses, as Muslims. This constitutes just one more example of how Mohammedans live in a world of make-believe and parasitism of the first degree which, quite unfortunately, has all kinds of negative consequences for humanity to this very day.
Terry Gain says
So long as Islam is accepted as a religion rather than a totalitarian, political ideology of conquest, Islam’s conquest of America is inevitable. The will to confront Islam as an ideology of conquest just doesn’t exist.
Wellington says
Wrong again, Terry. Gee, I wish you would get this and here it is: Islam can be accepted as a religion but it is imperative to be widely seen, including by the still overwhelmingly clueless elites in the media, the political realm and academia, as an EVIL religion, as well as “a totalitarian, political ideology of conquest” (which Marxism and Nazism are too and they are legal in the US).
Now, I know full well you don’t think Islam qualifies as a religion (though under the First Amendment it surely does and I have challenged you before to name me federal or state judges who agree with you and you have provided me NOTHING here—gosh, does this even make you pause to think you might be wrong respecting this “matter?”)—but, for argument’s sake, let’s say it does qualify as a religion but it is, per my contention above, widely viewed as malevolent, just something horrible. Don’t you comprehend that then our different assessments of Islam (i.e., you averring it is not a religion; I saying that it is) would amount to almost no difference?
In other words, Terry, what is imperative is the understanding of the iniquity of Islam and not its status. Please ponder this if you will—legally, psychologically, socially, et al.
Terry Gain says
Wellington
You continue to offer an interpretation of the Constitution which is inconsistent with what the framers intended. The 1st Amendment has been interpreted by the Supreme Court as providing for the separation between church and state. Since Islam wishes to impose their church upon the state, it is risible to claim that the framers intended Islam to be a religion protected under the Constitution.
If asked whether Islam was a protected religion under the First Amendment the Christians who drafted the Constitution would likely have responded “iswhat”?
Wellington says
You are dead wrong, Terry. My interpretation of the Constitution is completely consistent with what the Framers intended (care to argue that the Framers would also have not extended First Amendment protection to Nazism and Marxism?).
And again you cannot distinguish between BELIEF and ACTION. Nor have you been able to name a single federal or state judge who agrees with your take on Islam respecting protection by the First Amendment.
Terry Gain says
Wellington said
And again you cannot distinguish between BELIEF and ACTION. Nor have you been able to name a single federal or state judge who agrees with your take on Islam respecting protection by the First Amendment
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Islam denies freedom of religion to everyone, including it own adherents, so your contention that under the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion, the framers protected an ideology that denies freedom of religion to everyone is, frankly, ludicrous.
What legal authority supports your absurd interpretation of the First Amendment. You don’t seem to GRASP that your interpretation will guarantee the denial of freedom of religion.
jule says
My Question is still How to educate people without alienating them. 10 years ago I used to defend Muslims who I knew Nothing about. Curiosity led me to to start research on just what was the root problem between Israel and Islam (at least I knew it was Islam and not just the Muslim Palestinians) Then I read the Qur’an/& some Hadiths. I did some history searching and al Azhar. I would never ever again defend Islam as a ‘religion’ with the right to incite and convert in the USA again. Now I know clearly what the goal is for them. And I am a Democrat (but NOT a NEO DEM) So how to get these people to educate themselves before making the statements and policies. They no nothing yet make decisions. It should be required that all Congress be educated, not lobbied, about issues and especially life and death issues & how they relate to the Constitution. Repubs are wrong on the Speech issue as well and let the Mosques preach this anti-freedom stuff like nazigroups, KKKlan, Supremacists of ANY kind. All those issues are unConstitutional. Maybe it all has to go to a Supreme Court if Congress is too lazy or profiting from ignorance
Wellington says
Terry: In your 9:40 P.M. post you accurately quoted me respecting the difference between belief and action and then amazingly went on to ignore this difference by assuming that Muslims, who indeed believe in a terrible religion, will get their way. No they won’t if we correctly identify Islam for the malevolent belief system which it is and thereafter Muslims can BELIEVE whatever they want to (ditto for Marxists, KKK members, Neo-Nazis, anarchists, et al.), but they can’t necessarily ACT upon what they BELIEVE. My God, you had the answer right in front of you, courtesy of me, and you still missed it.
gravenimage says
Pompeo: “We’ve taken down 99 percent” of the Islamic State caliphate
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We should be proud of this.
No one is saying that this destroys the entire threat of Islam–of course, it does not.
But not having Christian and Yezidi girls openly sold as sex slaves is surely a good thing.
Terry Gain says
Those victories will be as irrelevant as the defeat of Nazism and the Soviet Union if Muslim immigration continues.
Anjuli Pandavar says
Terry,
Nothing is lost by acknowledging a partial gain. You are right on many things, but here GI has made a point that can only be dismissed if you ignore the distinction between the particularly mind-searing horrors that come with a caliphate, and the lack of such horrors without. You cannot say to the hundreds of thousands of families who’ve seen their menfolk crucified, beheaded and disembowelled, their women and girls sold and raped, and their young boys zombified, that the end of their nightmare is irrelevant. To do so is to be as inhuman as the Muslim who sees such horrors as affirmations of their Allah’s goodness.
Of course, by now most of us know that no matter what we do, as long as the Qur’an is in the heart of a single Muslim, the hydra will regrow, as someone so aptly described above. But the declaring of a caliphate, i.e., the physical holding of territory, is a trigger that operationalises that Qur’an in the hearts of many Muslims who have simply been dormant, i.e., “peaceful” up to that point. The thousands who rushed to ISIS from around the world is not the experience of Al-Qaida, Boko Haram, Al-Shabab and all the rest of them, who pull in recruits locally (although Al-Qaida’s attack on the World Trade Center impressed several Muslims around the world enough for them to “travel in the way of Allah” and sign up).
I do not for one moment pretend that I know all the ins and outs of the world’s longest curse, but I think we don’t help ourselves by sweeping aside critical distinctions such as these. For sure, the US is to be congratulated and thanked for every scourge they remove from the planet. If they didn’t do it, who would? To acknowledge this neither blunts our wit nor alters reality.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Anjuli.
somehistory says
islam and terrorism is much like Tanglewood…as long as there is a root, it will spread. Pulling up one branch or chopping it off at the ground, does not kill the entire plant.
As long as there is islam, as long as there are moslims, there will be terror as islam is the root of the problem.
But fighting it is so much better than enabling it and feeding it and giving it weapons.
Theo Prinse says
Idiot statement. ISIS still has 30.000 fighters
eduardo odraude says
Maybe. There are conflicting reports on how many there are, and there may be far fewer than 30,000. But they remain a significant threat. At the same time it’s true that they have lost all or virtually all of their territory.
Terry Gain says
Wellington said
Terry: In your 9:40 P.M. post you accurately quoted me respecting the difference between belief and action and then amazingly went on to ignore this difference by assuming that Muslims, who indeed believe in a terrible religion, will get their way. No they won’t if we correctly identify Islam for the malevolent belief system which it is and thereafter Muslims can BELIEVE whatever they want to (ditto for Marxists, KKK members, Neo-Nazis, anarchists, et al.), but they can’t necessarily ACT upon what they BELIEVE. My God, you had the answer right in front of you, courtesy of me, and you still missed it.
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You argue for a literal interpretation of the First Amendment rather than the using the golden rule or a purposive interpretation.
Islam forbids freedom of religion to everyone. It is absurd to suggest that the Framers intended to ensure freedom of religion to a totalitarian conquest ideology which denies freedom of religion to everyone. You have failed to grasp that you are arguing for an interpretation of the First Amendment which will produce a result which is the opposite of what was intended.
And your belief that once they are on American soil Muslims can be prevented from pursuing their political agenda is naive. As you well know, they have a religious duty to impose Islam until it rules the world and they will do so, not by Jihad, but through immigration and procreation.
The only thing which will save America from Islam is a ban on further immigration. It is unnecessary to deny Muslims on American soil practising their “religion” but conceding that it is a religion entitled to constitutional protection will make it very difficult, if not impossible, to ban further Muslim immigration.
You fail to grasp that your interpretation of the First Amendment is not only wrong, it is an Alice in Wonderland interpretation as it will likely facilitate a denial of religious freedom, which as you know is what happens when Muslims rule.
Wellington says
We are in agreement, Terry, respecting a ban on further Muslim immigration to America. Just as Neo-Nazis, skinheads, die-hard, hard-core Marxists, et al. can be denied immigration to America, so should it eventually be the case that this be applied to Muslims BUT this cannot happen until Islam is looked upon in the negative, a massive negative, though still a protected BELIEF system just as, say, Nazism is.
No Alice in Wonderland interpretation here by me. I don’t want to shred the First Amendment in order to preserve it. Once you let government interpret the First Amendment in such a way that certain BELIEFS can be made illegal or unconstitutional, you will have gone down the slippery, Orwellian slope which will lead to the effective ending of the First Amendment. Let people believe in whatever they want but punish actions that are contrary to American law (e.g., death for apostasy in Islam or the KKK burning a cross on a black person’s property). What bothers me is that Islam is still not seen as a giant negative. This is where matters should be concentrated so that even most of the elites (including judges) understand that Islam is the proto-type for Nazism (master faith v. master race with all kinds of nasty consequences).
Terry Gain says
Wellington
Islam will not be seen in a negative light so long as it is regarded as a religion rather than a totalitarian political ideology of conquest which denies freedom of religion to everyone, including its own adherents. We are moving in the direction of making it illegal to criticize Islam.
Denying the legitimacy of Islam does not shred the First Amendment, but rather affirms it.
And will not be the task of government to define Islam, but rather the Courts.
Wellington says
I’m sorry, Terry. but you have no understanding of American constitutional law and I write this as the lawyer that I am. It is completely unnecessary to deny Islam religious status as long as Islam is seen as a religion for loons, losers, the uninformed, etc.—much like Satanism is.
I hope you at least realize that virtually not a single federal or state judge, including those judges who do have a negative view of Islam (as do many state legislators in states like Oklahoma and Tennessee), would support your approach. I challenged you before to name me judges who would deny Islam religious status and you have not at all met this challenge.
Islam is both a religion AND a political, totalitarian ideology. I know of nothing in American law that would contradict what I have just stated here. Believe me when I say that I know you mean well but your approach to dealing with Islam is a non-starter. Indeed, it actually hurts the cause of treating with Islam as the longest-lived and best disguised evil ideology of all time. And besides, EVEN ASSUMING Islam would be denied religious status per the First Amendment and would ONLY be seen as a totalitarian, political ideology, it would STILL be a protected belief system just as Nazism and Marxism are. So, essentially, you’d be back to Square One even if your approach prevailed in the courts, which it won’t.
gravenimage says
Terry, regarding Islam as a religion did not stop John Adams and Thomas Jefferson from seeing it in a negative light, nor from fighting against it..
eduardo odraude says
Here’s the first part of an outstanding four-part series: What a Billion Muslims Believe Definitely worth watching all four parts. The conclusion of part 4 discusses the implication for immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcD4IiTE5Y&list=PL9MyJ-3th2dhbMypVvxde3gNa_FDEVQyp&index=1
Sara says
If this is true, why is CAIR still operating their subversive activities here? Has anyone asked Pompeo?
jule says
Hamas, al Qaeda, MuslimBros, other Salafis gangs in Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem and rebels in Syria is why.