This will come as a shock to the likes of Emmanuel Macron, with his confident plans to create a “French Islam,” but Macron will pay no heed. Erbaş, however, is backed up by the record of history. Throughout 1,400 years of Islam, there has never been a non-Muslim state in which a form of Islam developed that was shorn of jihad violence and Sharia oppression, and readily adapted to the values of the non-Muslim society. Instead, for 1,400 years, there has been jihad, wherever Muslims have gone. The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS demonstrates this definitively, detailing the jihad against Europe, the jihad against India, the jihad in Africa, and elsewhere. Nowhere was there ever established an acculturated, defanged Islam. Macron is whistling in the dark, as are all Western European and Northern European leaders. Get the book here.
More on this story. “No such thing as European Islam – Turkey’s top Muslim official,” Ahval News, January 3, 2019:
Turkey’s main Islamic body in Germany hosted a meeting in Cologne this week to shape the continuing debate about the future of Muslims in Europe, Turkish pro-government news outlets Diaspora Daily and Yeni Şafak reported.
“There is no such thing as German, French or European Islam,” Ali Erbaş, the head of Turkey’s state religious authority, the Diyanet, said on Wednesday. “Islam is a religion of peace that defends and tries to keep the same universal values alive all over the world.”
The Turkish-Islamic Union for Religious Affairs, or DITIB, organised the two-day event. Germany’s largest Muslim body, DITIB runs more than 900 mosques. The former Diyanet branch is still largely run by Ankara, though it insists it is independent. DITIB is based in the Cologne Central Mosque, which Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan inaugurated during a visit to Germany in September.
Last week the German tabloid Bild ran an image of the mosque with a story on how terrorist money funded Germany’s mosques. Critics said the report could spur anti-Muslim attacks.
“Both printed and visual media have been advocating Islamophobia under the pretext of criticism,” Erbaş said in Cologne, while also urging the European Muslim community to eliminate internal rifts….
Jayell says
“There is no such thing as German, French or European Islam” – I think we all already know that’s true.
“Islam is a religion of peace that defends and tries to keep the same universal values alive all over the world”
I think that we all already know that if THAT was true (a) the symbol of islam would not be a sword and (b) the history of islam would not be a catalogue of criminal atrocities as prescribed and practised by its founder, although (c) its repulsive excuse for ‘values’ certainly are demonstrated in the prison populations of all parts of the world that it has been allowed to pollute.
Prabh says
The sword is NOT the symbol of islam – the symbol of Islam is the crescent Moon – this Moon symbol was expropriated by Moslems from worshippers of Lord Shiva aka Pashupati – Divine Consort of all creatures great and small as well as Parvati.The crescent Moon is an adornment of Lord Shiva at His Third Eye Point: Bind Point – where Darshan is had – perfect internal and external vision. (drishti – sight and prudence)
Ramadan holiday is expropriated from Hinduism also (Sanatana Dharma- the Eternal Law) – Renowned Spiritualist Qwan Yin has explained the obvious: Ramadan is Birthday Celebration of Vishnu Avatar in Form of Perfect King Sri RamaChandra Marahaja of Tretra Yuga (Silver Age) – Rama is also Sanskrit word for Pleasure. (“dan” is close to word for ‘day’ and also word for ‘charity’ and there is similar sounding word that is word for exceptionally cruel and ruthless woman and “dan” is also word for certain Tribe of Peoples)
Kowtowing in prayer Moslems have taken from Orthodox Xtianity of Russia.
Swords of Miri-Piri (Spiritual and Temporal Power) plus Khanda (double-edged sword) and Kirpan (Gifted by Guru Govind Maharaj Patshahib) are all very much in Dharmic Tradition of India: the staff of the sage – “danda”- to protect himself and vulnerable peoples from nefarious entities the Sage has in his possession a staff or sword or ‘danda’ from those who wish to cause him harm.
Note that all Deities of Aryavarthasthanic traditions are lawfully married (divine consort), fully armed, have their Pet Companion Animal as well as their own private Conveyance/vehicle.
There is no turning the other cheek or disease creating victimhood industry in any AryaDharmic Religion- even Jain religion of absolute non-violence has provision for self-defense as does the path of Gautam Buddh. And Zarathustrans have also done battle against their enemies. Survival of the fittest.
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mortimer says
Prabh, interesting theory, but please look up QOS-ALLAH. QOS was the Arabian god of war and of hunting. An inscription to him is written QOS-ALLAH. The symbol of QOS is the BOW which looks like a crescent. THE CRESCENT symbol was place over the KAABA in pre-Islamic times.
I believe it is more likely that ‘ALLAH’ comes from QOS. Mohammed’s grandfather was QUSAI which is close enough to QOS.
Jessie says
Mortimer,
You seem to know a lot about Islam and everything it represents. Are you a scholar of Islam ? You give detail after detail on this ideology , that only a person with great knowledge would have.Muslims at their best don’t know half of what you do about this ridiculous ideology.
gravenimage says
Where to start? Firstly, the sword very much is a major symbol of Islam–that thing on the Saudi flag is not a hat pin–and the Hadith says “Paradise is in the Shadow of Swords”–not in, say, the shadow of beach umbrellas. Then, dark ages Arabs likely knew *nothing* about Hinduism. And Russian Orthodox Christians *do not* pray with their posteriors in the air.
It’s generally difficult for a non-Muslim to get so many things wrong in a single post.
mortimer says
The earliest Islamic symbols on coins come from the time of HAJJAJ, the vicious, brutal governor of Persia. He placed a six-sided star within a crescent that looks like a bow more than a crescent. These coins can be seen online. We are told that the crescent was placed over the KAABA before Mohammed. That proves it is a PAGAN SYMBOL from a PAGAN DEITY. Many scholars say the crescent represents DHU SHARA and the STAR represents VENUS (ALLAT) his divine consort. Muslims continue to perpetuate the worship of the divine COSMIC COUPLE unknowingly.
The worship at the Kaaba is thought by a number of serious scholars to be the result of Arabs trading with India and the cross-pollination from the ceremonies they witnessed in Hindu shrines. This speculation is very possible, even likely.
soundaryambha says
@Prabh,
There is no end to such feel good stories. I have also read in Illustrated Weekly ( several years ago) that Kaaba is but Hindus’ SivaLinga & that cooked rice is offered as ‘prasad’ & that Shankh & Chakra of Vishnu can be seen inscribed on either side etc. The way they sit is Vajrasan of Hatha Yoga . After listening & learning from a workshop conducted by Baba Ramdev one of the muslims got up & said :- ” whatever you taught we already have in our Koran…”.
THAT is smartness. Hindus as always are consummate idiots.
Prabh says
If you are an idiot speak for yourself -have you never heard Aristotle stated it is wrong to be self-deprecating?
Why must you state that all hindus are idiots? Maybe you are an idiot.
The fact is at one time EVERYBODY was indeed a practitioner of Vedantic Religion (Hinduism) – there are superficial similarities and significant differences between religions of India and semitich creeds of xtianity&islam.
Judaism was always polar opposite of Vedantic Religion. (deva vs raksh) For jews thoughts do not matter. For all the serious practitioners of India origin religions, there is nothing more important than keeping ones thoughts pure and clean. This is the starting point of genuine religious and spiritual life. “Everything begins with a thought.”
The point of this website is to learn as much as possible about Islam so we can protect ourselves from the genocidal creed of Mohamadanism.
If it upsets you to see superficial similarities between Moslems and Hindus pointed out so be it. That’s your problem. Some people think arab and indian are similar – I certainly don’t think so but maybe – but arab and Hindu (and related creeds) are very very different.
All that matters to me is knowing Islam is fundamentally dysgenic and genocidal. Islam creates material and spiritual poverty. That is enough for me to oppose everything about izlamojihadism.
I feel that Islam hold appeals only to amoral persons who are rank materialists.
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jayell says
“The sword is NOT the symbol of islam – the symbol of Islam is the crescent Moon”
So why do we see both representing islam? You have NOT explained that.
Prabh says
I was unaware Saudi flag features a sword. (Because Mohamadanism is a genocidal creed I have nothing but contempt for islam so I’ve never really examined any moslem flag closely, except for the Iranian flag and the Somalian flag because these two states are in close geographical proximity to India.)
My comment above was based on the fact that the top of every mosque features a crescent moon. Tops of Gurudwara features sword. All religions with origins in India feature kesari coloured flags – (Kesari is word for saffronin India) – this is colour of the Renunciate. For Moslems Orange and Saffron colours are connected with ‘primitive peoples’. Word “Kaiser” has origins in “Kesari”. Marigolds are popular flowers because of their orange saffron (kesari) colouring and are utilized to make garlands for Sages of India.
Now I remember Osho stated that ‘mohamad came with the sword’. Osho was unimpressed with Islam because he found nothing of substance in Mohamadanism.
According to Mme. Blavatsky when Islam first appeared everyone’s first reaction was that Islam was just another sect of Xtianity.
As violent as Mohamad was, life conditions in arabia were extremely degraded before Mohamad: this according to a Brahminical source with whom I sometimes converse.
About the circumambulation of Moslems around their Black Rock: this is done in the Opposite direction of Hindu and Sikh circumambulations. (counter-clockwise vs clockwise.) The Earth spins in a certain direction upon Her Axis. The direction of circumambulation is significant from that perspective.
The Cup, the Sword, and the Plough are the foundational building blocks of Civilization. Sword can be for noble purpose of self defense and defending vulnerable peoples. e.g. Kirpan, Excalibre etc. Or sword (or guns) can be abused as a tool for genocide as is the case for organized islam.
Fire can keep us warm and fire can burn us. Anything can be used as a weapon – Hands can Heal Hands can Kill. The problem is not with the sword or any other weapon but with the misuse and abuse of the sword. Weapons and money in the wrong hands create dystopian societies – wahhabi oil money is the best example of this.
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Wellington says
Yeah, in the final analysis, there is only one Islam and this “one Islam” is an inveterate enemy of liberty, which mankind has been trying to construct, to implement, to experiment with, from ancient Athens onward.
Many, like the ancient Athenians, and, as other examples, the English, the Dutch, the Swiss, the Americans, even the French in their own goofy French way, have been one way or another in the forefront of trying to explore freedom while at the same time not allowing it to dissolve into license.
But Islam has never explored this “path.” It has been totalitarian from the outset and is a mortal foe of freedom—as far back as the seventh century and to this very day.
Always has been this way. Always will be. Well, when you start out rotten, and deuce difficult to get more rotten than the character of the control-freak Mohammed, a society has no chance at liberty. The some 56 majority Islamic nations where, in none of them, does true freedom exist, tends to prove most decisively, poignantly, immensely sadly, and quite tellingly the truth of what I have just asserted.
mortimer says
Agree in part with Wellington. Everything in Islam is dualistic. One side submits to the other and the sides of each question in Islam often switch over. Pure Islam is bait and switch.
Islam is always changing its face to counter new resistance. If it can’t get you one way, it will get you another. Sunnite Islam has not changed or evolved since 1111AD due to the CLOSING OF THE DOORS OF IJTIHAD.
The possibility of adding new ideas to Islam through rational discussion of the source texts ENDED in 1111AD, so in that sense ‘ISLAM CANNOT BE REFORMED’ … except by bringing it back to the CONSENSUS OF PRIMITIVE ISLAM of the FIRST THREE GENERATIONS OF MUSLIMS.
These first three generations are the SALAF (pioneers of Islam). Their Islam is considered perfect because they slavishly copied Mohammed.
Robert Rossi says
islam is satanic in all it’s forms , hopefully Christianity will overcome & send islam back to it belongs which isn’t in any Christian lands ! .
Rufolino says
No wonder the Pope is so happy to make friends with Islam.
You state that Islam has always been the for of liberty. But so has the Catholic Church, demanding obedience to its tenets and iits censures, and proscribing the freedom of the individual.
People in the USA and other W countries sometimes assume that life in Italy is the same as anywhere else. It is not, the negative influence of the Catholic Church is still present in Italy.
There is no freedom for the individual in Italy. Ask anyone from another country who has lived there for 10 years.
Wellington says
Well, to be fair, while early nineteenth century Popes resisted the movement towards democracy, by the time you get to Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) the papacy had accepted democratic movements. The Catholic Church was also the first Christian sect on record to accept the teachings of Darwin and evolution (Leo XIII again). You are correct, that often the Catholic Church has been an inhibitor of freedom, but sometimes not. It’s a mixed bag.
gary daniels says
Erdogan has said several times that islam is islam
warmac9999 says
Nations have no part in differentiating the various sects of Islam. No matter what the nation, the war will always be between the sects. Borders have very little meaning to muslims and are really a convenience to hide the reality of global totalitarian islam. (There are American muslims but there are no muslim Americans.)
gravenimage says
Turkey’s Religious Affairs top dog: “There is no such thing as German, French or European Islam”
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Well, he’s not wrong–Islam is indeed the same evil creed everywhere in the world. *Ugh*.
More:
Last week the German tabloid Bild ran an image of the mosque with a story on how terrorist money funded Germany’s mosques. Critics said the report could spur anti-Muslim attacks.
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Yeah–telling the truth is *so* “Islamophobic”…
And isn’t it funny how exposing the fact that Islam is violent–somehow–is actually instead violence against Muslims?
KWJ says
+1 So many mosques have been exposed for laundering and funneling money to terrorist groups, storing caches of weapons for the purpose, hate preachers, illegal child marriages, members affiliated with terrorist groups. How many of those revelations and news resulted in attacks against Muslims? Those critics are essentially saying “Shhhh, we don’t want to make Muslims look bad and have more people be against immigration.” Attacks by Muslims lurking around in European cells is more worrisome.
KWJ says
They keep coming up with buzz phrases. The last one was that Islam is live and compassion, which is hilarious considering that it doesn’t exist in Islamic countries. Now the new one is that they are upholding universal values that are not universal. Is slavery a universal value in the 21st century? What about free speech and the right to not be threatened to death for leaving one’s religion? What about equality between men and women? Not happening in Islam. No sex before marriage? I suppose some people around the world think that but many others don’t care.
This, I think, is along the thinking of the professor Dustin J. Byrd wrote about post-secularism. Aside from many lies, obfuscations and omissions, he mentioned religious figures convening (Christian, Muslim and whomever) to determine universal values that could be applied on a global level, which I presume would take on the patina of the sinister attempts to make a universal blasphemy law. Blasphemy laws are despised by many people and we have none in the US. The thing is, the Qur’an itself commits blasphemy against Judaism and Christianity and its prophets, yet they don’t want you to say that. So, Muslims can commit blasphemy but nobody else because we know Islam theologically falls apart in this way.
So, they’ve tried peace, love, compassion, tolerance, upholding universal values, none of which are adequately displayed, so what’s next? Well, according to many Muslims, Islam is the only monotheistic religion, Islam is the true or right path, Muhammad is the final prophet, jihad in battle is the highest form of martyrdom, Muslims are “the best of peoples” (and Arabians the best-looking)…blah blah blah…but that’s not effective da’wa. A Saudi woman said, “They (Muslim men) say they treat women like pearls,” which she disagrees with.
They say they are for human rights but that just means for Muslims to have sharia law as the law of the land and in or minds the sharia opposes human rights. So, we’ll see what buzz phrase they come up with next since no one is really buying the others.
They should just admit that Islam has Multiple Personality Disorder and that it screws up people’s heads and causes people to live lies and tell lies. Religious Psychology 101.
soundaryambha says
That is right.
A Hindu ( economist , member of RSS & close to many politicians) wrote in a magazine of which he is the Editor that culturally muslims of India are Hindu like blah blah. Lot of appeasers among Hindus make such conciliatory noises – ” your forefathers were hindus but forcefully converted to Islam ..so please acknowledge your hindu ancestry ..” similar grovellings routinely take place…. This grovelling & appeasements package is known as ‘secularism’ in Indian parlance.
At once there was a rejoinder from a Muslim ( who has often written on Islam) decrying such theories. He said what muslims follow is SAME as what other muslims follow all over the world. That it is Shariyat they adhere too. Often muslims of India write ” i am a proud muslim living in secular india…..constitution guarantees us special priviliges rights …”. Ditto with converted & crypto christians of India . And there are plenty of leftists , entire media , film fraternity supporting such a stand . Somewhat similar to what America has been facing.
So called financial aid running into millions offered to Maldives , infrastructure development in Afghanistan ,
undue mollycoddling of Kashmiri muslims , rohingyas , often repeating ”our historical persian ties” while referring to Iran – all such appeasements are akin to ”protection money” so that they do not gang up together & attack pusillanimous dhimmi india.
RSS runs schools that has many muslims as students. I read secular government has opened up many madrassas with ambitious projects of teaching them science , advanced science technology etc. These hindus continue to presume it is lack of scientific knowledge that is the cause of problems. Here they have failed to do the thorough homework done by Robert Spencer.
For instance jihad itself is explained very glibly by the above mentioned economist cum editor. He wrote
”originally it meant internal conquest…owing to Genghis Khan they decided to take to violence which has come to mean jihad today. ..”.
Demographically Hindus are heavily endangered. Many facts seldom get reported in media.
mortimer says
The Turkish leaders are using their TAQIYYA to deny that ATATURK created a TURKISH VERSION of ISLAM in the 1920s.
Wiki: “Atatürk and his colleagues also attempted to Turkify Islam through official encouragement of such practices as using Turkish rather than Arabic at devotions, substituting the Turkish word Tanrı for the Arabic word Allah, and introducing Turkish for the daily calls to prayer. These changes in devotional practices deeply disturbed many Muslims and caused widespread resentment, which led in 1950 to a return to the Arabic version of the call to prayer, after the opposition party DP won the elections. Of longer-lasting effect were the regime’s measures prohibiting religious education, restricting the building of new mosques, and transferring existing mosques to secular purposes. Most notably, the Hagia Sophia (Justinian’s sixth-century Christian basilica, which had been converted into a mosque by Mehmet II) was made a museum in 1935. The effect of these changes was to make religion, or more correctly Islam, subject to the control of the state. Muftis and imams (prayer leaders) were appointed by the government, and religious instruction was taken over by the Ministry of National Education. As a result of these policies, the Turkish Republic was judged negatively by some sections of the Muslim world.
The expectation of the secular ruling elite that the policies of the 1920s and 1930s would diminish the role of religion in public life did not materialize. As early as 1925, religious grievances were one of the principal causes of the Şeyh Sait rebellion, an uprising in southeastern Turkey that may have claimed as many as 30,000 lives before being suppressed.”
dan christensen says
Allowing islam into a country is like riding a ferocious tiger. Once islam has been approved as a legal and constitutional religion, everybody are sitting on the tiger – and you can’t get off!
Of course the riders will discuss whether the animal is yellow with black stripes or black with yellow stripes. They will also debate whether the beast is carnivorous or herbivorous, as well as talking about how to satisfy the tigers hunger without being eaten.
The most inexperienced and naive riders will attempt to calm down everybody by quoting the bible :
“The tiger also shall dwell with the lamb, and the tiger shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young tiger and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.”
The morale of this ‘joyride’ is inevitable – you can’t mount a tiger and hope to get away alive.
Tom says
“You can be full of love and kindness, but you still cannot sleep next to a mad dog.”
Ashin Wirathu, Buddhist monk
Wazza says
I believe the One symbol of Islam will be a Mushroom cloud One day
Tom says
“Assimilation is a crime against humanity. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam, Islam is Islam. The mosques are our barracks, The minorets are our bayonets, The cupolas our helmets, and the faithful our soldiers.” Tyyip Erdogan, President of Turkey 2008.
infidel says
These filthy and morally bankrupt ungrateful creatures talk the same way everywhere..