Of course. What else could a Muslim who believes in the caliphate and in jihad violence be but mentally ill? There is no jihad, after all: it’s a religion of peace! Are British authorities, however, ready to round up thousands of other Muslims in Britain who believe the same things? This is just more of the same denial and willful ignorance on the part of British officialdom.
“Manchester terror: knife attack suspect detained under Mental Health Act,” by Robert Mendick, Jack Hardy, and Patrick Sawer, Telegraph, January 1, 2019:
The suspect in the stabbings at Manchester Victoria Station on New Year’s Eve has been detained under the Mental Health Act, police said.
Police said the 25-year-old man arrested over the stabbings has been detained under the Mental Health Act on Tuesday evening after being assessed by medical staff.
This comes after a police sergeant stabbed in the incident was praised for showing “incredible bravery” to prevent a suspected terrorist from rampaging through a train station just yards from the scene of the Manchester Arena suicide bombing.
A couple in their 50s were seriously injured in the “frenzied” and “random” New Year’s Eve attack on a platform at Manchester Victoria Metrolink station.
The police officer, who is in his 30s, was also wounded as he and three colleagues rushed to the scene after hearing “a blood curdling scream”.
Police said that a terrorism investigation into the incident “remains ongoing”.
Andy Burnham, the mayor of Manchester, on Tuesday said the attack had been deliberately staged close to the site of the Manchester Arena bombing, which killed 22 people in 2017….
The suspect, aged 25, was caught on video shouting “Allahu akbar” – meaning “God is great” in Arabic – as he was ushered into the back of a police van following his arrest.
In reality, “Allahu akbar” means “Allah is greater,” i.e., greater than your god. It is a declaration of supremacy and of the victory of Islam.
Witnesses said he was heard to scream: “Long live the Caliphate” in possible reference to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), while another claimed he shouted: “As long as you keep bombing other countries, this sort of s—- is going to keep happening.”
A house in Cheetham Hill, north Manchester – thought to be his last known address – was searched yesterday by counter-terrorism police. Neighbours suggested the suspect was of Somali-origin and was thought to have lived in the Netherlands before moving to the UK about 10 to 15 years ago.
One neighbour said his mother, who has five children, was a nurse while his brother worked at Manchester airport. A police source said the suspect was refusing to cooperate and detectives were working to establish his identity. He is believed to have acted alone,
In a statement Greater Manchester Police, said on Tuesday evening: “The 25 year old man arrested on 31 January 2018 following the incident at Manchester Victoria Station has been assessed by specialist medical staff and detained under the Mental Health Act….
Bodega says
Robert Spence, please shut this site down. Word Press owns it lock stock and barrel. They are heavily censoring it and will not allow other views in the “Comments” , at least that is my experience.
Terry Gain says
Not my experience.
Paul says
Why should he shut it down? What is your agenda?
You are the same person who, the other week, reacted to an article
about the wave of Muslim rapes in Sweden and all women concerts
there by generalising about all men,implying that they all treat women
this way and constantly oppress them, sidestepping the Muslim element
to all this in the process. A very common leftist tactic.
I think I can see where you might be coming from…
marc says
Bodega says: Jan 1, 2019 at 5:56 pm
“Robert Spence, please shut this site down. WordPress owns it lock stock and barrel. They are heavily censoring it and will not allow other views in the “Comments” , at least that is my experience.”
Utter crap, all of it, this site is self hosted by me on behalf of Robert Spencer (correct spelling), using the open source version of WordPress (wordpress.org not wordpress.com), they do not have any access to comments beyond those of any member of the public, I have worked with many 1000s of such WordPress sites over the last 10 years and I have never seen them show any political agenda, which is fairly common in the open source community, we do though monitor and moderate commenting ourselves, as would any site owner who cares about the quality of their content. We employ blocking using akismet.com and alienvault.com technology which uses algorithms purley to asses abusiveness and threat of commentators, again, I have worked with many sites that employ these threat mitigation, never seen political bias. if you have any real evidence to share, please go ahead.
Where i see there might be some truth in comments being owned by a third party is those sites that use Disqus and similar 3rd party commenting, while I agree their privacy policy sucks, i’ve not seen political bias in moderation.
marc says
just to add, for the benefit of others, I have researched the commentator “Bodega” I believe they are just misinformed, and bear no ill will here.
carpediadem says
Nice work, Marc! I for one appreciate this explanation.
nicholas william tesdorf says
All the insane Asylums of the UK would not be big enough to accommodate all the Muslims who would qualify for internment under the Mental Health Act.
Rufolino says
Reading this UK report, you don’t know whether to laugh or groan.
A_M_Swallow says
That worries me. When the run out of room the simplest solution is to release inmates. A rise in death rates is someone else’s problem.
somehistory says
Why don’t they just declare islam as a “mental illness” and then they can work to stamp it out.
The mental health professionals “work” on mental health issues….supposedly to help people overcome these health problems…not just lock them up. Some get meds, some get talk therapy, etc. But before any of this happens, they label or name the issue, give it a number and then study ways to combat it and/or help the patients heal.
So, declare islam a mental health scourge and develop a protocol….wipe it out. Don’t allow it to spread.
Perhaps the BBC producer can be asked what he thinks. Perhaps he can publish his thoughts about the guy who might have stabbed him if not for the officer who tackled the perp.
Observer says
Perhaps the BBC producer can be asked what he thinks. Perhaps he can publish his thoughts about the guy who might have stabbed him if not for the officer who tackled the perp.
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Good suggestion somehistory…
Why is it I think he might find himself ‘conflicted’ iro his response ? After all, these followers of the prophet and his god are peaceful, are they not ?
Innit just unfortunate coincidence they’re all mentally ill …. or demonic (…a word the BBC producer in all probability doesn’t recognise) ?
Again, a very good question, which I fervently hope the BBC producer sees and to which I hope he is honest & courageous enough to respond. Though it’s my guess it’ll take more than one paltry attempt at killing him for him to arrive at honesty… and by then I suppose it will be too late.
Sigh…
Gary fouse says
Where’s Albert Pierrepoint when you need him?
Larry Moran says
The King of Swing.
Crusades Were Right says
Two disciplines perverted in order to hide the truth:
Psychiatry and Arabic
James Lincoln says
From a physician’s viewpoint…
For a moment, let’s assume that the behavior of this 25-year-old Muslim was actually due to mental illness.
What was the initial psychiatric diagnosis / treatment?
Standard of care, of course, would be emergency involuntary admission to a psychiatric ward if the patient were deemed an immediate danger to himself or others. It appears, in this case, that he did pose a danger and was detained under the Mental Health Act.
What criteria would the psychiatric medical staff use as a “test of adequate control” before release from the clinic to law enforcement? What medications / psychotherapy would he be prescribed? What would be the follow-up care regimen?
Most importantly, if it was determined by the psychiatric medical staff that the Islam ideology exacerbated his underlying mental illness, would they recommend leaving the religion? If not, why not?
Roger Woodhouse says
Dont expect to receive any further info along the lines you are requesting.No.You wont hwar anymore about thus guy till he appears in court way down the line by which time people will have forgotten all about this incident as there will be many more to occupy their minds.So it goes on.Nothing will change.Just more innocents cut down randomly.We are becoming immune to such horrors but ‘they’know that.
James Lincoln says
Roger Woodhouse,
You are, unfortunately, likely correct.
Victoria says
They are all crazy.Why doesn’t Britain just scoop all of them up and ship them back to the hell hole they came from. Life in Britain will never get better with them around, only worse.
abad says
Islam is a Mental Illness, conceived by a mentally ill person: Mohammad.
Michael Copeland says
“Indeed, he is mad.”
“Surely he is possessed!”
“He is certainly insane.”
“Most surely he is mad.”
“Surely he is a man possessed!”
What they said about him – Koran 68:51
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=68&verse=51
Wayne says
Palestine clearly is named on a map c.100a.d.
Baucent says
Quite possible as after the Jewish revolt of AD 70 (and AD135) the Roman’s were practicing ethnic cleansing to destroy the nation of Israel. It was the Romans who promoted the name “Palestine” even though Roman coins showing the defeat of the Jews are marked “Judea” (I’ve seen them) and they date 30 years before this map you refer too. So the map (if it exists) really is of no significance other than following the Roman plan to evict the Jews from their homeland. And that cannot overturn 4,000 years of archeological evidence and records of Jewish history in the land of Israel.
Terry Gain says
Theresa May should be detained under The Mental Health Act.
A_M_Swallow says
Well at least they locked him up. I hope they do not decide to release him because there is no cure. Life imprisonment genuinely for life is much safer.
Save Europe says
Yep. I don’t recall either IRA or ETA terrorists, ever being classed as mentally ill, upon being arrested.
Oooh the ‘spinning of the plates’ by the political elite and enforcement agencies continues, only so as to attempt to keep the faux-peace….
Manny says
England seems like such a benighted place. The land of Churchill and JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis is now the land Mohammed. Urrgh. It has no future.
mortimer says
SOURCE OF THE ‘PATIENT’S’ supposed mental illness :
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
Psychiatrists should READ these verses and ask the ‘PATIENT’ why he believes them. Then the psychiatrists should be able to determine whether it’s a real mental illness or an OVERIDEALIZATION of ISLAMIC JIHADISM.
How can psychiatrists understand a JIHADIST without being WELL ACQUAINTED with the PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS of JIHAD?
Observer says
Mortimer
You are a tonic for the afflicted (that’s me).
Light relief in an increasingly dark world.
THANK YOU.
Garry says
More mental health issues with a Muslim immigrant. Seems to be the norm.
TKF says
Listen folks, if Muslims weren’t bat-sh*t crazy, they wouldn’t be f*cking Muslims….Duh!
Lauren Hermann says
How true!!
R Russell says
I had a comment removed from a UK newspaper yesterday. Why? I suggested that the next thing we would hear about the man was that he is suffering from a mental illness.
Peter Kat says
Well well this was first reported in the UK MSM as an arrest/investigation under the Terrorism Acts but now this terrorist is “detained” under the Mental Health Acts. A very significant difference. Apart from the implication of lesser culpability under the Mental Health Acts it opens the possibility of early release when the shrinks are or the opinion he is cured!!! Also I believe (could be wrong) that depending on the actual Mental Health Act provision applied there would be no criminal record attached.to this Mohamedan terrorist.
But you know there is a clear alternative interpretation opened up here. His motivation is not just an insane impulse but that it was caused by the irrational following of an insane belief system. In effect the Manchester police (probably under instruction from the rabid socialist Mayor anxious to appease the muslim population of Greater Manchester) will have categorised islam followers as potentially insane as they follow a belief system which, with absolute clarity, requires violence against non believers.
Well I for one would agree. Followers of the so called false prophet Moohamed are indeed insane if they take it to its literal intentions. Interesting that the Manchester police have officially categorised the belief system as such. Perhaps the supine UK government will do the same?
Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says
It’s the same New year pagan pantomime again.”Muhammad and the murderous lie.”
At major cities near you soon, you can’t miss it but most reviews are inaccurate.
Ade Fegan says
I don’t but the narrative that the “authorities” don’t get that islam = trouble
The question is why do they choose to protect it, cover up for it,
encourage it and bring more of it on board
No Muzzies Here says
The suspect is not insane, but acting in conformity with Islamic teachings which encourage believers to engage in self-destructive, intolerant and violent behavior. Self-destructive, intolerant and violent behavior can also be a symptom of insanity, so I can see how some people would be confused and not blame the behavior on Islam.
Anne Smith says
He probably is batty in any case – most likely he has been a regular drug use as are so many of this ilk.
somehistory says
Thank you, Observer.
I read the quote of his tweet and the last line “This is all messed up,” seemed to say more than the words themselves. I believe he knows now, even if he never says how it’s “all messed up.”
AntiIslamicman says
There is no mental health issue here just the usual cover up by the media who think the British public are as stupid as the controlled media. Islam is a cancer however there is a cure as more and more people are leaving this madness.