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UK’s Express claims Churchill had “fascination with Islam,” may have converted to Islam

Jan 24, 2019 12:51 pm By Robert Spencer

Yesterday I noted the Western intelligentsia’s seemingly endless “capacity for self-flagellation and self-hatred.” Another manifestation of the same tendency is what we can call the Jefferson’s Qur’an Effect: claiming that public figures of the past who had any interest in Islam for any reason, even if they publicly expressed negative views of the religion, were actually enthralled by the religion and may even have been secret converts.

Here is the reality of what Churchill thought of Islam, whatever “fascination” he may have had, or how often he wore Arabic clothing: “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apa­thy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.”

But the Express, like the rest of the British media, is trying to make British people love Islam, so that they will complacently accept mass Muslim migration and the increasing presence of jihad terror and Sharia oppression of women and others in British society. Only ten paragraphs down in this story do they tell us that “Churchill never seriously considered converting.” Thanks for the information.

“Winston Churchill BOMBSHELL: War hero’s ‘FASCINATION with Islam’ revealed in lost letter,” by Callum Hoare, Express, January 24, 2019:

WINSTON Churchill was fascinated by the Islamic faith and some of his family believed he might have even converted to the religion after his time in India with the British Army, an uncovered letter reveals.

Although Churchill has become the embodiment of the British bulldog spirit he was also a strong admirer of the Islamic faith – so much so and his relatives believed he was on the verge of becoming a Muslim at the turn of the 20th century. The revelation is buried in a letter to Mr Churchill from his future sister-in-law, Lady Gwendoline Bertie, written in August 1907. In the letter, found by Warren Dockter of Cambridge University, Lady Gwendoline wrote: “Please don’t become converted to Islam.

“I have noticed in your disposition a tendency to orientalise Pasha-like tendencies, I really have.

“If you come into contact with Islam your conversion might be effected with greater ease than you might have supposed, call of the blood, don’t you know what I mean, do fight against it.”…

In a letter written to Lady Constance Georgina Bulwer-Lytton in 1907, Mr Churchill revealed he “wished he were” a Pasha, which was a rank of distinction in the Ottoman Empire at the time.

He also took to dressing in Arabic clothing while with friends, Dr Dockter – author, historian and research fellow at Cambridge University – claims.

He said: “Lady Gwendoline Bertie would have been worried because Churchill was leaving for an African tour and she would have known Churchill had been seeing his friend, Wilfrid S. Blunt – who was a renowned Arabist, anti-imperialist and poet.

“He and Churchill were friends and dressed in Arabian dresses at times for Blunt’s eccentric parties, but they rarely agreed.”

Although Mr Churchill was fascinated with the faith and culture, Dr Dockter claims he would have stopped short at converting to Islam.

He added: “Churchill never seriously considered converting.

”He was more or less an atheist by this time anyway.

“He did, however, have a fascination with Islamic culture which was common among Victorians.”…

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  1. CogitoErgoSum says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:00 pm

    Islam fascinates me also —- the way a train wreck fascinates me.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 2:24 pm

      Watch out! Here comes Islam right at you.

      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Jan 24, 2019 at 2:32 pm

        However, I can’t decide whether Islam is the train or the truck.

        • FYI says

          Jan 25, 2019 at 9:35 am

          But didn’t Moses convert to islam?…And wasn’t Abraham a muslim{“Abraham was not a Jew” k3:67 ..because he was definitely not one of those sinister Jews according to allah}

          And the muslim version of the Jew Jesus,issa ,the newborn arabic-speaking baby issa who in the koran {k19:29-30} says “Lo! I am the slave of allah” and had a copy of he Gospel”he [allah}hath given me the scripture”.

          “Lo!I am the Slave of allah”.
          Lo?LOL

          A TALKING BABY in a crib who has the Gospel?WHEN did Jesus EVER have a copy of the Gospel?It didn’t exist in the lifetime of Jesus:it couldn’t have existed.And who knew a newborn infant could talk like an adult?

          So here,allah the best of deceivers,the god of islam ,is telling us something that is obviously false and logically impossible.

          A newborn baby cannot speak ..and it certainly cannot read.
          And it couldn’t have had the Gospel{and ludicrouly..in a CRIB!}

          Except in the koran.

          Did you know that Neil Armstrong was thought by some muslims to have converted to islam?

          Neil Armstrong:the Second man to walk on the Moon{after islam’s prophet,the first man on the Moon, who as we all know,despite no recorded Astronomical evidence,
          split the Moon in half..}

          see You Tube

          Apostate Prophet

          “islamic conversion hoaxes”

        • gravenimage says

          Jan 25, 2019 at 11:46 pm

          Yes–Islam claims that Jesus and all the Jewish prophets were actually Muslims.

    • mortimer says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 6:31 pm

      Churchill’s actual thoughts on Islam …

    • Save Europe says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 9:48 pm

      Correct!

      Churchill had genuine concerns about Islam and never once thought about converting. Much like the spurious lie that the Queen is related to the Proph Mo.

      I note with interest that no western MSM paper ever tells the TRUTH that Hitler admired Islam.

      The irony !

  2. Krishna says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    Churchill never wanted to convert to islam but he was only interested in Islam and had love hate relationships with Islam were once he donated to build mosque and at same time he called Islam is militant faith that seeks to expand itself through warfare
    for more see https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/sir-winston-churchill-s-family-begged-him-not-to-convert-to-islam-letter-reveals-9946787.html

  3. Fredrrick says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 pm

    Highly unlikely, he called for at least one day of prayer in our Christian churches, took parliament to Westminster Abbey to give thanks that the allies win the war. Read God & Churchill by his grandson gives a good fescrdescriof Churchill’s belief. Surprised the Daily Express spread thusvdaft rumour, not their usual style

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 7:51 pm

      Thank you, Fredrrick.

    • Dipak Chakrabarti says

      Jan 25, 2019 at 6:02 am

      Churchill ? He called Hindus as beastly people and their religion a beastly religion. . He created an artificial famine in India during second world war, more than million people died as a result of this famine.

      • thebigW says

        Jan 25, 2019 at 11:33 am

        You’d think if a famous person who’s praised by the history books murdered a million people as you claim, you’d have at least one measly little ol’ link of proof, lol

        • James says

          Jan 27, 2019 at 7:54 am

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/10/how_churchill_starved_india.html

  4. Jack Cade says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    I am fascinated how Islam, a doctrine of depravity, evil, and filth, can exist in rational societies!

    • PRCS says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 3:07 pm

      Re: your post:

      Evil is a subjective term.

      You think Islam is evil.

      I think it’s a man made, intolerant and violent ideology, as its texts make clear.

      Muslims don’t.

      Telling Muslims that Islam is evil results only in argument.

      Telling them that Islam is incompatible with man made, secular law is a fact which can be proven.

      Still waiting for national level politicians and so-called journalists to query Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Andre Carson, Keith Ellison, and all other Muslims elected to positions which require making and enforcing U.S. law about that.

      • Terry Gain says

        Jan 24, 2019 at 4:44 pm

        Killing people because they reject your ideology is objectively evil. As is child marriage, honor killing, rape, FGM, and slavery.

        • Raja says

          Jan 24, 2019 at 6:18 pm

          Terrry Gain,

          Some have problems accepting evil exists and that evil camouflaged as religion ALSO exists.

          Jesus had warned about that on several occasionS two thousand years ago. He said: The devil is the king of the world. Many thieves would come after him. so on and so forth.

          If one is only glued to physical things he cannot understand celestial realm and surely not about the evil forces called devil. Most people cannot know Islam as evil because they are way off mark.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Jan 24, 2019 at 7:28 pm

          But wait, Eddie. Take a look at Numbers 15: 22-30. This man gathering wood on the Sabbath did it intentionally. He was warned not to but he did it anyway and he paid the penalty. God knew what was in the man’s heart and that what he did was intentional. Christ had not yet come to take the man’s sin upon Himself at His death on the Cross …… so the man had to pay the penalty of death himself.

        • PRCS says

          Jan 24, 2019 at 11:07 pm

          “Killing people because they reject your ideology is objectively evil. As is child marriage, honor killing, rape, FGM, and slavery.”

          So long as some people–and their “tribe”–don’t think it’s evil, it’s subjectively evil.

      • thebigW says

        Jan 25, 2019 at 4:52 pm

        “Telling Muslims that Islam is evil results only in argument.

        Telling them that Islam is incompatible with man made, secular law is a fact which can be proven.”

        No need to tell ’em anything. The time for talking is over, long over. Time to give them all a one-way ticket back to their Islamic hellholes, including citizens. ALL OF THEM.

        Just because the West won’t do this, don’t mean it ain’t the only thing that’ll save us. Just means the West remains stupid about what Islam is really about.

    • Warmac9999 says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 3:09 pm

      Remember. All the allahu Akbar attacks are really by mentally ill muslims. By definition, the mentally ill are not rational.

  5. Rob says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:33 pm

    Barry Shaw writes in ‘1917’ page 314: ‘Would these masses have moved in to Palestine were it not for the Zionist enterprise taking shape?’
    He goes on to quote Chuchill from 1922: ‘The Arabs would have sat in the dark forever, had not the Zionist engineers harnessed the Jordan River for electrification. Now they swarm into Palestine* seeking the light’.
    *From the entire ME.

  6. Renate says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:36 pm

    Winston Churchill must be rolling over in his grave.

  7. Genba says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:42 pm

    Yeah, sure … The same bloke who wrote this in his memoir of the Sudan war:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property —either as a child, a wife, or a concubine— must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social developement of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science —the science against which it had vainly struggled— the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

    The River War, Volume II, 1899, pp. 248-250
    https://archive.org/details/1899RiverWarVol2

    If something, he was an Islamophobe … At least according to modern-day British standards, as Paul Weston made manifest:

    • Steven RSA says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 2:26 pm

      The River War contains several of Churchill’s thoughts on islam, all as accurate as the one you quote. I think the piece quoted only appeared in the very first edition, but later editions still contain his other less than favourable commentary on the subject.

  8. Mike C says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:49 pm

    I once attended a costume party dressed in an Arab costume. Does that make me a Muslin?

    • Angry Aussie says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 2:30 pm

      I went to a Toga Party once or twice, and although wrapped in a sheet, I didn’t feel like I had become Greek, nor a member of the KKK. My guess is you safely remained a kaffir.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 8:01 pm

      One Hallowe’en as a child I tried to replicate Jeannie’s costume from “I Dream of Jeannie”. That doesn’t make me Muslim–or a Genie, either.

    • IanB says

      Jan 25, 2019 at 5:24 am

      I once attended a costume party dressed as Crocodile Dundee. That definitely didn’t change me into an Aussie crocodile wrestler.

  9. Been There Got the Tee Shirt says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 1:54 pm

    I guess that’s why one of the first things BHO did was to get that bust of Churchill out of the White House. But of course, it all makes so much sense.

  10. somehistory says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 2:10 pm

    Seriously, how can anyone think he may have “converted” when he said that “islam in a man is like rabies in a dog”/

    Converting would have made him a “mad dog” instead of a rational man. Angry at times, maybe, but not “mad” with the rabid evil of adherence to islam.

    • tim gallagher says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 6:01 pm

      That’s the quote from Churchill that I thought of when I read this article, somehistory. The article in The Express is ridiculous. As if anyone would consider joining a cult which they considered was as damaging to the human spirit as rabies. Robert Spencer’s comment that The Express and other media outlets are “trying to make the British people love Islam” seems to be the only explanation for this garbage article. Why anyone would want to support barbaric Islam and try to make people like Islam is beyond me.

  11. john cannon says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 2:21 pm

    It is no more than a variant on Fake News.
    The whole viewport by the writer is invention from beginning to period.
    It is a work of historical fiction.

  12. No Muzzies Here says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apa­thy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
    — Winston Churchill

    • Raja says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 6:26 pm

      Thanks “No Muzzies Here”, I found the same quote from the net.

      It is not self hatred of West that is at display here but gross materialism that is at display. This is how some clowns behave to shoot to prominence. Having potshots at a statesman (especially when is long since dead) is surely rewarding.

      There are too many immoral beasts around in the West that go unchallenged.

  13. Wellington says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 3:02 pm

    Coming soon: The New York Times claims Robert Spencer has a fascination with Islam and may have converted to Islam long ago.

    Always remember: With Leftthink anything is possible and facts are optional. Oh, btw, per Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the world will end in 12 years (I’m not making this up) so begin to make your final plans now. This is all.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 3:12 pm

      Have you seen the bumper stickers promoting Ocasio-Cortez for President in 2032?

      • Wellington says

        Jan 24, 2019 at 5:36 pm

        No, I haven’t, CES, but it doesn’t surprise me. I suspect AOC will implode before that time, so ignorant is she, but this isn’t a given.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Jan 24, 2019 at 6:36 pm

          Yes, I wonder if her implosion will be as devastating to the Left as the end of the world will be for the higher forms of life on Earth.

      • Rarely says

        Jan 24, 2019 at 6:36 pm

        The best bumper sticker ever came out the day after Nixon fired special prosecutor Archibald Cox. It read: “Impeach Nixon — the Cox Sacker.”

      • PRCS says

        Jan 25, 2019 at 1:20 am

        But, per her prediction, we’ll all be dead before that.

    • somehistory says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 3:23 pm

      Wellington,
      Due to “climate change.”
      She’s young and very foolish. And her mouth is just so out of control.

      • Wellington says

        Jan 24, 2019 at 5:45 pm

        Yes, somehistory, she is indeed young and foolish but my chief worry is not her per se but rather the millennial generation which is also exceedingly foolish to date. This must change as the millennials get older or America is in very deep trouble. After all, there is almost nothing quite like ignorance to wreck any experiment with freedom. And as many prominent people over the generations have noted, as an example Douglas MacArthur, if America meets its demise it will be from within and not from without.

        As for her mouth being out of control, I can only hope it will continue that way. The self-destruction of a influential person who is inimical to liberty is not only a spectator sport, it is an imperative for liberty’s preservation.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 8:06 pm

      Hilarious, Wellington.

  14. crawford421 says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 3:02 pm

    Converting would have meant giving up on alcohol, and Churchill never gave up on anything.

  15. sheliak says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    What caught my eye in this newspaper article was the statement that Churchill never seriously considered converting to islam but was more or less an atheist anyway. A subtle assertion that an individual can be only a muslim or a non believer.

    • DK says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 5:42 pm

      I also have an issue with the description, ‘non muslim’, the implication being that the default setting is ‘muslim’.

  16. Hugh Fitzgerald says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 5:51 pm

    One good thing to come out of this farcical article in Express, with its sensationalist headline that is denied in the actual text, is that now that the subject of Churchill and Islam has been raised, his remarkable statement in the first edition of The River War can be brought to the attention of a much wider audience. Once you have read that paragraph — brilliant in form and in content — it is impossible to forget.

    Churchill could not stand Islam and its effect on the minds of its adherents. The “fascination” was not of the good kind. It was prompted not by admiration but by horror, a horror that comes through in every word of that paragraph. Beyond the grave, d’outre-tombe, Churchill continues to perform a very great service for the West.

    • Raja says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 6:32 pm

      Hugh, Now it is your turn(for an article) for rebuttal for this horrible piece from Express of UK. Best wishes..Hoping you are the real Hugh ..

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 24, 2019 at 8:04 pm

      Hear, hear, Hugh!

  17. Rarely says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    Churchill a muslim??? There is a rumour that he didn’t drink alcohol for a day — once.
    Why maybe even Peter Pan and the Wizard of Oz. What about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. How about Winnie the Pooh?
    I suspect the rumour started after a skit on SNL or Second City TV.

  18. gravenimage says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 7:47 pm

    UK’s Express claims Churchill had “fascination with Islam,” may have converted to Islam
    …………………,

    What a load of tripe. Everything Churchill said about Islam was deeply critical.

    As for his saying he’d like to be a Pasha, this was no more indicative of a real desire to become Muslim in the early 20th century than was a passing remark by some guy that they’d like to have a Harem.

  19. somehistory says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    tim gallagher
    +3

  20. somehistory says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 9:24 pm

    Wellington,
    +1

  21. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 9:39 pm

    Can someone please help me to understand this famous quote from Churchill?

    “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries [=those who are devoted to Islam]! [Islam lays curses on Muslims? What curses? Doesn’t Islam lay praise on Muslims (Q3:110) and curses on kuffar (Q98:6)?] Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apa­thy. [What are Muslims fanatically frienzied about? Fatalistic apathy sound plausible, because Allah decides everything, but is contrary to frenzy, which is energetic.] A degraded sensualism [What does this refer to?] deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.”

  22. gravenimage says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 9:52 pm

    Hi Mark, You wrote:

    Can someone please help me to understand this famous quote from Churchill?
    ……………………….

    Some of Churchill’s phrasing can sound dated at this point.

    More:

    “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries [=those who are devoted to Islam]! [Islam lays curses on Muslims? What curses? Doesn’t Islam lay praise on Muslims (Q3:110) and curses on kuffar (Q98:6)?]
    ……………………….

    Yes, Islam praises Muslims–but it also demands that Muslims live ugly, loveless lives.

    While our main focus is, rightly, on the threat that Islam presents to us, it also makes life pretty ugly for any Muslim who takes is seriously, as well.

    More:

    Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apa­thy. [What are Muslims fanatically frienzied about? Fatalistic apathy sound plausible, because Allah decides everything, but is contrary to frenzy, which is energetic.]
    ……………………….

    Muslims are frenzied all the time, Mark. When Muslims riot or go on violent Jihad rampages, they are showing fanatical frenzy.

    More:

    A degraded sensualism [What does this refer to?] deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.”
    ……………………….

    This refers to polygamy, rape, and the keeping of sex slaves–it probably also refers to Muslims often molesting little boys.

    Hope this was helpful.

    • Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

      Jan 25, 2019 at 8:18 am

      Yes, that was helpful. Thank you.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 26, 2019 at 12:20 am

        Thank you, Mark.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 26, 2019 at 12:23 am

        Oh, and one more thing, Mark:

        A degraded sensualism [What does this refer to?] deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.”
        ………………….

        The reference to “the next” means the Islamic “paradise”, which is essentially a whorehouse in the sky–with those 72 renewing virgins and its “pearly boys”. There is nothing spiritual about the Muslim paradise.

  23. simpleton1 says

    Jan 24, 2019 at 11:46 pm

    Churchill’s own words in 1941, “We can find nothing better than Christian Ethics on which to build and the more closely we follow the Sermon on the Mount, the more likely we are to succeed in our endeavors.”

    Churchill put before the House of Commons [government] on VE day in 1945:- “That this house now attend at the church of Saint Margaret, Westminster, to give humble and reverent thanks, to Almighty God for our deliverance from the threat of German domination”.

    https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=YMvYBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT135&lpg=PT135&dq=%E2%80%9CWe+can+find+nothing+better+than+Christian+Ethics+on+which+to+build+and+the+more+closely+we+follow+the+Sermon+on+the+Mount,+the+more+likely+we+are+to+succeed+in+our+endeavors.%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=kuLPYP5gQb&sig=ACfU3U0p9PqOLeC5L6ZpHCaEHeGoeUqdCQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjIjorS5ofgAhUYY48KHa0pBQQQ6AEwAHoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CWe%20can%20find%20nothing%20better%20than%20Christian%20Ethics%20on%20which%20to%20build%20and%20the%20more%20closely%20we%20follow%20the%20Sermon%20on%20the%20Mount%2C%20the%20more%20likely%20we%20are%20to%20succeed%20in%20our%20endeavors.%E2%80%9D&f=false

    Some would say that he only played religion to gain in politics.
    He was neither Church of England, nor Roman Catholic, or Baptist, or etc.. the things that would divide, but could relate and understand what had to be done and what he felt called to do.
    What he wanted and knew was that only a successfully unified Great Britain, for one objective, to hold and then win the war against the Germans which had absorbed the nazism ideology, in which he recognized its evil intent of supremacy and domination in the early 1930’s.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 25, 2019 at 12:14 am

      Thank you for those quotes.

  24. KWJ says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 12:18 am

    I think what Churchill thought was the equivalent of when young I’d read about so-called haunted houses until I determined it was bunk. Many subjects are interesting but when you see them in action and come to know more details, as Churchill did, the fascination wears off quickly. Exotic clothing is just fun or different to dress up in. In the 1930s and 40s, costume parties were popular among the affluent and on cruise ships that visited Cairo.

    Churchill acknowledged that there were Muslims with “splendid qualities” but that’s because of those Muslims’ personalities not Islam. A reason propagandists wrongly say anti-Muslim about people, say like Robert, who are truly anti-Islam and how it affects Muslims who may or may not understand why they think and act as they do.

    By not quoting what Churchill came to see as negative about Islam leaves out something important: little has changed. Same as with Sir Charles Muir’s book The Life of Mahomet which you can read online. It’s over 100 years old and is still relevant. (He would be called an Islamophobia today. He had said that Islam could never reform among other things such as lack of personality development, etc.)

    Thomas Jefferson would have been no fan of Islamic law since he believed in a wall between religion and government. James Madison had harsh words for it long before Churchill. And so what? That was their opinion and Islam is more ideology than religion. The Muslims’ behavior during the Barbary Wars didn’t help and they were saying the same kinds of things terrorist groups and clerics say today. If Islam has an image problem, that’s their fault. They complain about us too and teach one-sided history.

    These kinds of articles are fruitless because no matter what you say there is a difference of various values and culture and nothing will smooth over that fact.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 26, 2019 at 12:25 am

      Fine post, KWJ.

  25. Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 1:42 am

    Soon enough we will see others gather all their enemies ever had to say and literally chose words from them and knit a blanket of lies out of them. No context, no consistency, no natural conversational flow.
    Just throw them all in bucket and pull out at random, until you’ve got your narrative.

    • Rufolino says

      Jan 25, 2019 at 3:40 am

      When a British newspaper starts to manipulate uncompromising historical figures like this, in favour of Islam, something is very wrong with Britain.

  26. Harold Armitage says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 3:31 am

    The UK Daily Express is well known for it’s bollix.
    It also publishes a doomladen fake weather forecast every day.

  27. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 5:19 am

    Yeah, sure – penning ‘No greater retrograde force exists” secretly means “La ilahah il allah!” etc.

  28. IanB says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 5:30 am

    Daily Express claims Churchill had “fascination with Islam,” may have converted to Islam.

    ———————

    Ludicrous in the extreme … it deserves no further consideration.

  29. IanB says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 5:32 am

    The only UK newspaper worth reading is the Daily Telegraph but only with the critical thinking filter engaged.

  30. duh swami says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 5:41 am

    To make a long story short…Muslims are the Klingons, kuffar are the Romulans, and there is no Federation…everything you think you know is a television script…

    Seriously…I find no redeeming qualities with Islam…None…

  31. Paul says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 5:58 am

    “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.” ‘Nuff said!

  32. Hoi Polloi says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 6:55 am

    Done reading that rag. No more clicks, Express.

  33. John Kisaka says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 7:00 am

    For sure, Islam fascinates me too, how intelligent, educated and exposed beings can continue believing that bull shit! That sure fascinates me.

  34. Peter WF says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 7:13 am

    UK’s Express claims Churchill had “fascination with Islam,” may have converted to Islam.

    What a load of rubbish – read “The River War” By Winston S Churchill. Find out what he thought of them in the first 60 odd pages.

    What idiot wrote that article?

  35. somehistory says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 9:52 am

    If Churchill “converted” and the man on the street was just quoting him when he was arrested…why was the man arrested? If Churchill did not “offend” and have to be arrested, then why was the man a few years ago, arrested…for “offending”?

    There is no logic in islam…and islam has sucked all of the logic out of the U.K.’s news media.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 26, 2019 at 12:27 am

      Excellent point, Somehistory.

  36. Been There Got the Tee Shirt says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    Churchill was a prolific writer, and there are tens of thousands of pages he dictated or wrote. I would advise these muckrakers to go through the historical record and come up with something of substance. I would be willing to place a small wager that they cannot. And there are gentlemen like Hillsdale’s Larry Arnn who are experts on Churchill. He may be willing to offer an opinion much more expert than the Express’s Callum Hoare (pronounced whore?). Unless there is something with a tad bit more substance, it’s just more fake news, more yellow “journalism”. Mr. Hoare and his employer’s output should work fine in the bottom of the bird cage.

  37. c matt says

    Jan 25, 2019 at 1:13 pm

    He did have a fascination with Islam, just as a physician would have a fascination with a disease he seeks to eradicate or at least contain.

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