Last night David Wood and I went live to discuss some absurd claims about Islam interacting peacefully with non-Islamic religions throughout its history.
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eduardo odraudesays
I wish you two would do a Jihad Watch video daily. Or at least twice a week.
commonsensesays
The counter-jihad’s version of Diamond and Silk!
Franksays
Excellent comparison!
Frederick Kingsays
Tell the world about how peacefully and willingly all the people in India converted to Islam.
mortimersays
“The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain” Hardcover – February 22, 2016 by Dario Fernandez-Morera.
THE MYTH OF AN ANDALUSIAN PARADISE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY HISTORICAL FACTS. It was instead an ANDALUSIAN PURGATORY and CHAMBER OF HORRORS and EXTERMINATION.
– Islamic Spain was a jihadist country par-excellence (mass public executions for blasphemy, pogroms of Jews, intolerant laws, ethnic cleansing of Christians …).
– In 851, there took place a mass execution of 48 Christian monks who refused to accept Mohammed or publicly renounce their Christian faith.
– In 1066, there took place the first big pogrom against Jews in Europe, more than 4 000 Jews – including children and women were killed in one day. In Islamic Spain the Jewish population had to wear clothes which clearly separated them from the Muslim population.
– In 792, Caliph Hisham I of Córdoba started an offensive jihad against France, plundering Bordeaux and killing famous medieval hero Roland. They were stopped a few kilometres from Paris.
– The Caliph Al-Hakam I after a revolt of native Christian population in Cordoba expelled more than 20 000 families out of their native home.
Ibn Rushd, a famous master of Islamic law, who lived in Islamic Spain tells us all those atrocities were acceptable according to Islamic law.
“(Islamic) scholars agree that all polytheists should be fought. This is founded on [K. 8:39]: “Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is entirely Allah’s.”
“All Muslims agree that the aim of warfare against the People of the Book, with the exception of those belonging to the Quraysh-tribe and Arab Christians, is twofold: either conversion to Islam, or payment of poll-tax (djizyah).”
“Damage inflicted upon the enemy may consist in damage to his property, injury to his person or violation of his personal liberty, i.e., that he is made a slave and is appropriated. This may be done, according to the Consensus (idjma) to all polytheists: men, women, young and old, important and unimportant.”
– Maimonides who lived in Islamic Spain (also in Morocco and Egypt) wrote about life in Spain with Muslims:
“Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase and hate us as much as they did, although we were dishonored by them beyond human endurance, and had to put up with their fabrications. Similarly our sages instructed us to bear the prevarications and preposterousness of Ishmael in silence. We have acquiesced, both old and young, to inure ourselves to humiliation. All this notwithstanding, we do not escape this continued maltreatment which well nigh curses us. No matter how much we suffer and elect to remain at peace with them, they stir up strife and sedition.”
– The story of Islam in Spain should be known by all Western people as a CAUTIONARY TALE about what happens when MUSLIMS TAKE OVER.
. There is no excuse for not knowing the HORRIFYING, GENOCIDAL history of Islamic Spain.
GROO the Wonderersays
i live in Spain, people here still regard the period of al-Andalus as a source of national pride.
i was told very early on in my stay here that the three “Abrahamic” religions dwelt here in peace and harmony in this “golden age”… half a day of looking around Granada (the last Islamic kingdom in Spain) was more than enough to convince me that these people are deliberately deluding themselves.
as i see it, modern Christians in Spain (and, i suspect, in the rest of Christendom) prefer to ignore the fact that they, and the Jewish population, suffered from such violent, deadly oppression at the hands of the caliphate, and point instead to the “benefits” of Islamic occupation – running water and beautiful gardens.
i wonder if they will ever learn… sadly i am of the opinion that these lessons from the past are about to be repeated.
mortimersays
GROO… the structures of Islamic Spain were ALL built by CHRISTIAN SLAVES with PILFERED MATERIALS from BEAUTIFUL CHRISTIAN BUILDINGS PULLED DOWN BY THE MUSLIMS and whose GRACE, BEAUTIES and GLORIES were ERASED FROM HISTORY by the MUSLIM INVADERS of Spain. There were no churches in southern Spain that were not demolished or converted to mosques.
Avengersays
Thank you Groo and Mort. I agree with GI, informative posts!
gravenimagesays
Good posts, Mortimer and Groo.
Joesays
It would be interesting to see the death count between that of the average year in the Spanish Inquisition and the Muslim invasion. From what I can see, the Muslims killed more than 1,000 times than the inquisitors in any year to year comparison. Yet our schools teach that the Muslim invasion was good and that the Spanish Inquisition was horrible.
We don’t just forget history; we mangle it.
WPMsays
Christians are willing to admit fault ,improve , look at America slavery end in the 1860s ,Moslems never admit fault , never improve. If Islam is “prefect” just as written by Mohammed,s followers 1400 years ago how can you change or improve it. Slavery , thief ,rape ,murder of non-believers was encouraged 1400 years ago to this day .Nazism is not an accepted as a good political system in this day and age in the west, Islam should not be accepted as a good political system in the west. Appeasing pasting laws that Islam cannot criticized or its past examined closely as truthfully ,like the old Roman Catholic churches use of the inquisitors 500 years ago taught in our schools today. Islam should not be given a free pass because it is a religion that we must have a hands off of criticizing debating, exposing the truth of its practices .No religion , political groups ,”exclusive club” is above the normal rules ,laws and regulations that govern the acceptable behavior of not raping, enslaving stealing from,,murdering ,your neighbor because he is not a member of your “excusive untouchable never question club”.
gravenimagesays
Good post.
Flavius Claudius Iulianussays
“‘McJesus’ statue sparks riot at museum in Israel as protesters call for removal of ‘offensive’ art”
I’m one of them. I want a TOTAL and PERMANENT stop to ANY immigration of Muslims (and I would want ALL non-citizen Muslims to be repatriated to the dar al Islam, preferably to Islamic country of origin, and all criminal Muslims who currently hold citizenship, to be stripped of it, and expelled to the dar al Islam).
I also want immigration in general to be curtailed to a level that, combined with our current birthrates, will allow our population to stabilise; we are the driest and hottest inhabited continent with a wildly variable climate and fragile ancient soils, our recent and current extinction record for birds and mammals is HORRENDOUS (with a whole slew of other creatures teetering on the brink – notably our iconic koalas) due to unrestrained urban/ suburban sprawl that is *annihilating* both farmland and bushland, we have VERY limited supplies of fresh water.
We CANNOT be as heavily populated as the well-watered temperate regions of, for example, Western Europe or North America; our environment is already collapsing under us (anyone who thinks it is not, is a damnfool who doesn’t get science). There is a brilliant ‘regenerative agriculture’ movement that could repair some of the damage if adopted across the country; but even with that, we still can’t sustain the types of densities that one sees in better-watered regions of the planet with ‘young’ volcanic or post-glacial soils.
And we do NOT need hundreds of thousands of fast-breeding aggressive mohammedans!
eduardo odraudesays
When one brings up disturbing facts about Islam, the key question is,
What is a politically possible, constitutional, non-violent solution?
Without the answer, those who wish to prevent an influx of totalitarian culture from the Muslim world will naturally run into a brick wall of opposition and deaf ears.
As we all know, the assumption made by many is that those who resist Islam have no solutions except the fascist one of “killing them all,” or some other violent answer.
So here’s a proposal for a solution that could pass constitutional muster and perhaps become politically possible, because the policy does not focus on any religious or ethnic group and is non-violent:
Free nations should institute, with exceptions for some individuals, a moratorium on immigration from nations that do not protect freedom of religion or freedom of speech. This would affect many nations besides the Muslim-majority ones, and it probably would not exclude every Muslim majority nation. Chinese immigration would be stopped or minimized (but not immigration from Taiwan, Japan, or South Korea). The policy would also pressure European nations and their offshoots to stop clamping down on freedom of speech. In response to such a policy, something like a First Amendment might come into being in some European nations.
There could be exceptions to such an immigration rule, for example Ph.D.s needed by US industry or the military could be considered, as could people from oppressed minorities that support freedom of religion and speech.
Would the above policy be politically difficult to establish? No doubt, but at least it’s not entirely outside the realm of possibility.
Might there be good ways to make the policy better and more politically feasible? Of course. I hope those who know how, will.
eduardo odraudesays
“US industry” should read “industry”
gravenimagesays
Glad to see so many Australians waking up!
Flavius Claudius Iulianussays
“Trump Threatens to ‘Devastate’ Turkey Economically If It Attacks Kurds”
Of course they have, jews even sought refuge in the Islamic world from the peace loving christians. Chronology of incidents every couple of hundreds years means nothing since it can be done with any country in any age to show whatever you want to show.
In other words, this is history for those who want to confirm their pre-existing view of the world (and who will never do their own research). In order words for that view to make sense, Islam must be always bad everywhere. Of course, RS is happy to oblige
don vitosays
lebel has islam changed in 1400 years? Has islam’s devout followers changed in 1400 years?
BRIEF
Israel to officially demand $250 billion from Arab countries that expelled Jews
After 18 months of secret research, Israel is preparing to demand compensation for assets abandoned by Jews who were forced to flee eight Arab countries after the establishment of the Jewish nation.
FYIsays
Sahih Muslim 6985……
No other religion calls for the wilful destruction of another religion..
Except islam.islam calls for the annihilation of the Jews in a Genocidal war.
Sahih muslim 6985 cannot be denied or ignored.It won’t go away Lebel,I’m sorry!
Christians who do bad things are condemned by the Gospel and God’s Commandments.{see Exodus 20}They don’t get away with it.The Gospel contains MANY warnings that condemn bad behavior by Christians.
Jews who do bad things are condemned by the Torah and God’s Commandments.
They don’t get away with it.
muslims who do bad things..are ALSO subject to condemnation via God’s Commandments EXCEPT allah “the BEST OF DECEIVERS} k3:54 in the koran DISAGREES with them so muslims
they think they can get away with it.
If a Jew,Christian or muslim are involved in a murder:it is the SAME sin in each case.
Jews and Christians understand it to be the 6th commandment from the Bible.
But it seems muslims don’t get that:because allah says it is OK to murder k2:191.
A jihadist or a suicide-bomber,no what the koran teaches,is a MURDERER.
the koran teaches that muslims can murder infidels k2:191,commit adultery with an enslaved woman k33:50,Steal from infidels{k48:20},bear false witness to promote islam etc and be rewarded in allah’s carnal paradise for doing so:that is what motivates the jihadist and the murderous,deluded converts to islam.They think that by following “allah” they can get away with doing evil.
islamic supremacist ideology calls for the annihilation of the Jews
SAHIH MUSLIM 6985
Only an islamic supremacist apologist would fail to see how EVIL that is
{on a par with hitler’s final solution}
FYIsays
“And who will never do their own research”
You mean like islamic apologists who are unable to find evidence of muhammed’s Moon Splitting miracle in any Astronomical records because…they know it isn’t there?
You mean like islamic apologists who seem unable to follow allah’s advice to muhammed in koran 10:94 that if in doubt, they should consult “the Scripture that was before thee”{The Bible}.. which contains those very Exodus 20 Laws that allah DISAGREES with and muslims cannot see the problem with that?
You mean like islamic apologists who seem unable to do research on 1,400 years of Jihadist murder,pillage and rape in the name of allah…so that Mr Spencer has to do the research work for them giving us his superb well-researched History of Jihad?
It’s a shame islamic apologists never do their own research…
mortimersays
‘LEBEL’ INSULTS our intelligence with his un-REFERENCED, boldly counter-historical claims !!!
How dumb do you think we are, “LEBEL” .??? WE READ the “HISTORY OF JIHAD” and “THE MYTH OF THE ANDALUSIAN PARADISE”.
“LEBEL” you know there was no ISLAMIC GOLDEN AGE for KAFIRS !!! Your un-REFERENCED claims don’t convince WELL-READ JIHADWATCH followers… you are obviously used to an unprepared class of Leftards and Pollyannas which haven’t read the SOURCE TEXTS and can’t spot your taqiyya.
‘LEBEL’s’ TRICK is to CONFLATE the lax *PRACTICE* of Islam (at certain times) with the actual *DOCTINES* of Islam in order to THROW SAND IN THE FACE of his readers.
It is inconvertible that ISLAM HATES THE KAFIR AT ALL TIMES and teaches Muslims to show HOSTILITY and ENMITY towards the dirty KUFAAR. .
It’s time for “LEBEL” to read THE HISTORY OF JIHAD by Robert Spencer to see how ‘nice’ Islam was at all times. Unlike “LEBEL’s” moronically simplified claims about a benign, nonexistent version of Islam, the LATEST HISTORIANS are going to the MEDIEVAL SOURCE TEXTS to find the ATROCITIES and BRUTALITIES that were the DAILY LOT OF DHIMMIS under SHARIA DICTATORSHIPS.
How little LEBEL thinks of the dirty KUFAAR … believing he can EASILY trick them …. This convinces me that ‘LEBEL’ is a not-too-bright shill who is used to dealing with a RAH-RAH crowd of Muslims or a totally uninformed bunch of unread and unstudied LEFTARDS. We IN FACT ALREADY STUDIED ISLAMIC HISTORY, the PACT OF OMAR and the HISTORY OF THE OTTOMAN TREATMENT OF DHIMMIS. It’s ALL appallingly cruel.
Now hear this, LEBEL: WE HAVE READ ISLAMIC HISTORY … and *ISLAM THE IDEOLOGY* is a ALWAYS *BAD* … *EVERYWHERE* and *AT ALL TIMES* … in different periods the Islamic leaders were MORE OR LESS *INDULGENT* and more or less *STRICT* in applying DISCRIMINATORY SHARIA LAW and in applying the EXTREMELY DISCRIMINATORY *PACT OF OMAR*.
Lebel, NOT EVEN YOU WILL ARGUE THAT THE *PACT OF OMAR* is not NORMATIVE ISLAM and the said *PACT* is not 100% DISCRIMINATORY.
“LEBEL” tries to pretend that a LAX PRACTICE of Islam (at certain times) is REAL ISLAM … but you know that LAX ISLAM is NOT REAL ISLAM, but 50% apostasy. We know that LAX ISLAM is NON-OBSERVANT ISLAM … and so do you, “LEBEL”.
Lebel, are you a 50% APOSTATE ??? Do practice ISLAM-À-LA-CARTE ???
You are obviously a LAX MUSLIM. You are like a man wearing a very bad mask.
gravenimagesays
lebel’s claim that every part of the world is as violent and ugly as the bloody horror of Islam means that he hopes that no one here has ever done any research of their own.
While I learned quite a bit from Spencer’s excellent book, most of this information can be found elsewhere (just not all in one place)–and I had studied much of it previously. lebel cannot whitewash this savagery–no matter how much he may try.
Terry Gainsays
lebel
If Islam was so civilized a thousand years ago, why has it been so backward ever since?
lebelsays
Hi, I don’t think it was any more civilized than other places in general. At times more, at times less, like any other empire. And like any other empire, I can pluck out events (like pogroms) happening over the course of hundreds of years in an area the size of a continuent , put them in a table and say “here, this is what they did all the time!”
You could do it with France or “catholicism”
You could do it with the West
You could do it with Russia
You could do it the Roman Empire, Persia, Greece.
gravenimagesays
How far back does lebel have to go in the West?
Meanwhile, he hopes we ignore the horrors of Islam that are being perpetrated *today*.
eduardo odraudesays
lebel sarcastically says: “for that view to make sense, Islam must be always bad everywhere.”
Islam’s prime exemplar united religion and state in himself. Consequently there is no separation of religion and state in Islam. Thus the core Islamic texts and many Muslims reject freedom of religion or freedom of speech. Muhammad in the most canonical hadith collection, Sahih Bukhari, says “If someone changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.” Islam is certainly bad. Of course, one can find good elements, but then one can find some good elements even in Stalinism and Nazism. So what. They still were monstrous systems on the whole, just like Islam. If Islam is not bad, why did a UN Arab human rights report note that the whole Islamic world, in 1000 years, had translated fewer books into Arabic than little Spain translates into Spanish every single year?
eduardo odraudesays
And why is it that the Jews, who have one-hundredth the population of Muslims, have received about a hundred times as many Nobel prizes in the physics, mathematics, medicine, and economics? 100 x 100 = 10,000. In other words, per capita, Jews received 10,000 times the science Nobels Muslims receive. Another bit of the voluminous evidence that Islam is a totalitarian, human-crushing culture.
gravenimagesays
+1
gravenimagesays
And note that lebel never says where Islam is *not* bad.
tim gallaghersays
I have never believed these fantasies about how Islam ever (whether in Spain or anywhere else) was tolerant and peaceful in any area of the world where it grabbed power. Islam is full of calls to “kill the non-believers wherever you find them”, etc. No other religion has such a hate-filled attitude towards people who are not part of the evil cult. So how could Islam ever have been some kind of beacon of tolerance and harmony. Lying BS no doubt put about by lying Muslims over the centuries. I have been reading Robert Spencer’s “The History of Jihad”, so I can see how barbaric the early Crusaders also were, which Robert mentions in the book. But I’m sure that Islam, which always seeks to humiliate and oppress all non-Muslims, was worse than any other religion. Robert sets the record straight in his book. And, it’s no different today. It isn’t Buddhist terrorists. It’s always Muslims. Never ending violence. That’s Islam. People like lebel (in his comment above) should be honest and just say they are happy to be part of a murderous, barbaric cult called Islam rather than trying to lie and say that Islam was once peaceful. As if. Islam is about as peaceful as Nazism. People like lebel should either pack up and leave islam and join the more decent, non-Muslim members of the human race or admit that they are content to be part of an evil, always violent ideology. They shouldn’t try to sugar coat Islam’s nature.
Kurtsays
Tic tock time to rock! Starsky and Hutch the crime fighting duo! Closest crime fighting duos that had some resemblance.
abadsays
Islamic propaganda, just like Nazi propaganda. Islam has never existed peacefully with non-Moslems.
nasays
Obamas are pagan worshipers who are the ancestors of Egyptian Pharaoh. Once he moved to US and planned a Jihad attack against White house. But later he confessed and changed his mind.
Act17 Ruben Israel is crusader…
youtube.com/watch?v=zj4aU4DmCFs
duh swamisays
Not all Muslims are ‘natural born killers, but some are…Those that are not support those that are…Killing for Allah is not a sin, it’s a ‘holy’ act worthy of support…Don’t expect Muslims to condemn ‘holy acts in the name of of Allah…
Norman Moffattsays
Finished Robert’s latest book, a must read if you care about historical events that effect us today.
eduardo odraudesays
At about 58 seconds into the video, the sound goes way out of sync with the video. It happens because the video stops for a few seconds but the sound keeps going.
Jay de Silvasays
I wish this book, ‘History of Jihad from Mohammed to ISIS’ is available on Kindle (or Amazon) in ebook format at less than $3.00. It is available for a very high price, way beyond what I can afford. I hear it carries a very important message. Please make it affordable to the general public through Kindle.
gravenimagesays
You might try to find it at your library.
No Shariasays
Mohammedans be damned!!!!
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eduardo odraude says
I wish you two would do a Jihad Watch video daily. Or at least twice a week.
commonsense says
The counter-jihad’s version of Diamond and Silk!
Frank says
Excellent comparison!
Frederick King says
Tell the world about how peacefully and willingly all the people in India converted to Islam.
mortimer says
“The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain” Hardcover – February 22, 2016 by Dario Fernandez-Morera.
THE MYTH OF AN ANDALUSIAN PARADISE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY HISTORICAL FACTS. It was instead an ANDALUSIAN PURGATORY and CHAMBER OF HORRORS and EXTERMINATION.
– Islamic Spain was a jihadist country par-excellence (mass public executions for blasphemy, pogroms of Jews, intolerant laws, ethnic cleansing of Christians …).
– In 851, there took place a mass execution of 48 Christian monks who refused to accept Mohammed or publicly renounce their Christian faith.
– In 1066, there took place the first big pogrom against Jews in Europe, more than 4 000 Jews – including children and women were killed in one day. In Islamic Spain the Jewish population had to wear clothes which clearly separated them from the Muslim population.
– In 792, Caliph Hisham I of Córdoba started an offensive jihad against France, plundering Bordeaux and killing famous medieval hero Roland. They were stopped a few kilometres from Paris.
– The Caliph Al-Hakam I after a revolt of native Christian population in Cordoba expelled more than 20 000 families out of their native home.
Ibn Rushd, a famous master of Islamic law, who lived in Islamic Spain tells us all those atrocities were acceptable according to Islamic law.
“(Islamic) scholars agree that all polytheists should be fought. This is founded on [K. 8:39]: “Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is entirely Allah’s.”
“All Muslims agree that the aim of warfare against the People of the Book, with the exception of those belonging to the Quraysh-tribe and Arab Christians, is twofold: either conversion to Islam, or payment of poll-tax (djizyah).”
“Damage inflicted upon the enemy may consist in damage to his property, injury to his person or violation of his personal liberty, i.e., that he is made a slave and is appropriated. This may be done, according to the Consensus (idjma) to all polytheists: men, women, young and old, important and unimportant.”
– Maimonides who lived in Islamic Spain (also in Morocco and Egypt) wrote about life in Spain with Muslims:
“Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase and hate us as much as they did, although we were dishonored by them beyond human endurance, and had to put up with their fabrications. Similarly our sages instructed us to bear the prevarications and preposterousness of Ishmael in silence. We have acquiesced, both old and young, to inure ourselves to humiliation. All this notwithstanding, we do not escape this continued maltreatment which well nigh curses us. No matter how much we suffer and elect to remain at peace with them, they stir up strife and sedition.”
– The story of Islam in Spain should be known by all Western people as a CAUTIONARY TALE about what happens when MUSLIMS TAKE OVER.
. There is no excuse for not knowing the HORRIFYING, GENOCIDAL history of Islamic Spain.
GROO the Wonderer says
i live in Spain, people here still regard the period of al-Andalus as a source of national pride.
i was told very early on in my stay here that the three “Abrahamic” religions dwelt here in peace and harmony in this “golden age”… half a day of looking around Granada (the last Islamic kingdom in Spain) was more than enough to convince me that these people are deliberately deluding themselves.
as i see it, modern Christians in Spain (and, i suspect, in the rest of Christendom) prefer to ignore the fact that they, and the Jewish population, suffered from such violent, deadly oppression at the hands of the caliphate, and point instead to the “benefits” of Islamic occupation – running water and beautiful gardens.
i wonder if they will ever learn… sadly i am of the opinion that these lessons from the past are about to be repeated.
mortimer says
GROO… the structures of Islamic Spain were ALL built by CHRISTIAN SLAVES with PILFERED MATERIALS from BEAUTIFUL CHRISTIAN BUILDINGS PULLED DOWN BY THE MUSLIMS and whose GRACE, BEAUTIES and GLORIES were ERASED FROM HISTORY by the MUSLIM INVADERS of Spain. There were no churches in southern Spain that were not demolished or converted to mosques.
Avenger says
Thank you Groo and Mort. I agree with GI, informative posts!
gravenimage says
Good posts, Mortimer and Groo.
Joe says
It would be interesting to see the death count between that of the average year in the Spanish Inquisition and the Muslim invasion. From what I can see, the Muslims killed more than 1,000 times than the inquisitors in any year to year comparison. Yet our schools teach that the Muslim invasion was good and that the Spanish Inquisition was horrible.
We don’t just forget history; we mangle it.
WPM says
Christians are willing to admit fault ,improve , look at America slavery end in the 1860s ,Moslems never admit fault , never improve. If Islam is “prefect” just as written by Mohammed,s followers 1400 years ago how can you change or improve it. Slavery , thief ,rape ,murder of non-believers was encouraged 1400 years ago to this day .Nazism is not an accepted as a good political system in this day and age in the west, Islam should not be accepted as a good political system in the west. Appeasing pasting laws that Islam cannot criticized or its past examined closely as truthfully ,like the old Roman Catholic churches use of the inquisitors 500 years ago taught in our schools today. Islam should not be given a free pass because it is a religion that we must have a hands off of criticizing debating, exposing the truth of its practices .No religion , political groups ,”exclusive club” is above the normal rules ,laws and regulations that govern the acceptable behavior of not raping, enslaving stealing from,,murdering ,your neighbor because he is not a member of your “excusive untouchable never question club”.
gravenimage says
Good post.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“‘McJesus’ statue sparks riot at museum in Israel as protesters call for removal of ‘offensive’ art”
https://www.rt.com/news/448885-mcjesus-statue-israel-art-protest/
Another example of RT being on a story long before other news outlets.
GreekEmpress says
+1
Thank you for posting the link to the video.
gravenimage says
In this age, I’m often embarrassed to call myself an artist…
eduardo odraude says
Painter?
gravenimage says
Eduardo, I work mostly in watercolor and pen and ink. Here is some of my Anti-Jihad work:
http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/library/?sort=3&page=1
I also do a lot of children’s illustration and graphic novel work.
Cicero says
Yes RT is my favourite go to for a frank analysis of the news
Guy Jones says
Great and informative insights from Robert, as always. Thank you!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Survey: Seven in 10 Australians Want Immigration to End”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/15/survey-seven-in-10-australians-want-inbound-migration-to-end/
dumbledoresarmy says
I’m one of them. I want a TOTAL and PERMANENT stop to ANY immigration of Muslims (and I would want ALL non-citizen Muslims to be repatriated to the dar al Islam, preferably to Islamic country of origin, and all criminal Muslims who currently hold citizenship, to be stripped of it, and expelled to the dar al Islam).
I also want immigration in general to be curtailed to a level that, combined with our current birthrates, will allow our population to stabilise; we are the driest and hottest inhabited continent with a wildly variable climate and fragile ancient soils, our recent and current extinction record for birds and mammals is HORRENDOUS (with a whole slew of other creatures teetering on the brink – notably our iconic koalas) due to unrestrained urban/ suburban sprawl that is *annihilating* both farmland and bushland, we have VERY limited supplies of fresh water.
We CANNOT be as heavily populated as the well-watered temperate regions of, for example, Western Europe or North America; our environment is already collapsing under us (anyone who thinks it is not, is a damnfool who doesn’t get science). There is a brilliant ‘regenerative agriculture’ movement that could repair some of the damage if adopted across the country; but even with that, we still can’t sustain the types of densities that one sees in better-watered regions of the planet with ‘young’ volcanic or post-glacial soils.
And we do NOT need hundreds of thousands of fast-breeding aggressive mohammedans!
eduardo odraude says
When one brings up disturbing facts about Islam, the key question is,
What is a politically possible, constitutional, non-violent solution?
Without the answer, those who wish to prevent an influx of totalitarian culture from the Muslim world will naturally run into a brick wall of opposition and deaf ears.
As we all know, the assumption made by many is that those who resist Islam have no solutions except the fascist one of “killing them all,” or some other violent answer.
So here’s a proposal for a solution that could pass constitutional muster and perhaps become politically possible, because the policy does not focus on any religious or ethnic group and is non-violent:
Free nations should institute, with exceptions for some individuals, a moratorium on immigration from nations that do not protect freedom of religion or freedom of speech. This would affect many nations besides the Muslim-majority ones, and it probably would not exclude every Muslim majority nation. Chinese immigration would be stopped or minimized (but not immigration from Taiwan, Japan, or South Korea). The policy would also pressure European nations and their offshoots to stop clamping down on freedom of speech. In response to such a policy, something like a First Amendment might come into being in some European nations.
There could be exceptions to such an immigration rule, for example Ph.D.s needed by US industry or the military could be considered, as could people from oppressed minorities that support freedom of religion and speech.
Would the above policy be politically difficult to establish? No doubt, but at least it’s not entirely outside the realm of possibility.
Might there be good ways to make the policy better and more politically feasible? Of course. I hope those who know how, will.
eduardo odraude says
“US industry” should read “industry”
gravenimage says
Glad to see so many Australians waking up!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Trump Threatens to ‘Devastate’ Turkey Economically If It Attacks Kurds”
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/14/trump-threatens-turkey-with-economic-devastation-if-it-attacks-kurds/
lebel says
Of course they have, jews even sought refuge in the Islamic world from the peace loving christians. Chronology of incidents every couple of hundreds years means nothing since it can be done with any country in any age to show whatever you want to show.
In other words, this is history for those who want to confirm their pre-existing view of the world (and who will never do their own research). In order words for that view to make sense, Islam must be always bad everywhere. Of course, RS is happy to oblige
don vito says
lebel has islam changed in 1400 years? Has islam’s devout followers changed in 1400 years?
BRIEF
Israel to officially demand $250 billion from Arab countries that expelled Jews
After 18 months of secret research, Israel is preparing to demand compensation for assets abandoned by Jews who were forced to flee eight Arab countries after the establishment of the Jewish nation.
FYI says
Sahih Muslim 6985……
No other religion calls for the wilful destruction of another religion..
Except islam.islam calls for the annihilation of the Jews in a Genocidal war.
Sahih muslim 6985 cannot be denied or ignored.It won’t go away Lebel,I’m sorry!
Christians who do bad things are condemned by the Gospel and God’s Commandments.{see Exodus 20}They don’t get away with it.The Gospel contains MANY warnings that condemn bad behavior by Christians.
Jews who do bad things are condemned by the Torah and God’s Commandments.
They don’t get away with it.
muslims who do bad things..are ALSO subject to condemnation via God’s Commandments EXCEPT allah “the BEST OF DECEIVERS} k3:54 in the koran DISAGREES with them so muslims
they think they can get away with it.
If a Jew,Christian or muslim are involved in a murder:it is the SAME sin in each case.
Jews and Christians understand it to be the 6th commandment from the Bible.
But it seems muslims don’t get that:because allah says it is OK to murder k2:191.
A jihadist or a suicide-bomber,no what the koran teaches,is a MURDERER.
the koran teaches that muslims can murder infidels k2:191,commit adultery with an enslaved woman k33:50,Steal from infidels{k48:20},bear false witness to promote islam etc and be rewarded in allah’s carnal paradise for doing so:that is what motivates the jihadist and the murderous,deluded converts to islam.They think that by following “allah” they can get away with doing evil.
islamic supremacist ideology calls for the annihilation of the Jews
SAHIH MUSLIM 6985
Only an islamic supremacist apologist would fail to see how EVIL that is
{on a par with hitler’s final solution}
FYI says
“And who will never do their own research”
You mean like islamic apologists who are unable to find evidence of muhammed’s Moon Splitting miracle in any Astronomical records because…they know it isn’t there?
You mean like islamic apologists who seem unable to follow allah’s advice to muhammed in koran 10:94 that if in doubt, they should consult “the Scripture that was before thee”{The Bible}.. which contains those very Exodus 20 Laws that allah DISAGREES with and muslims cannot see the problem with that?
You mean like islamic apologists who seem unable to do research on 1,400 years of Jihadist murder,pillage and rape in the name of allah…so that Mr Spencer has to do the research work for them giving us his superb well-researched History of Jihad?
It’s a shame islamic apologists never do their own research…
mortimer says
‘LEBEL’ INSULTS our intelligence with his un-REFERENCED, boldly counter-historical claims !!!
How dumb do you think we are, “LEBEL” .??? WE READ the “HISTORY OF JIHAD” and “THE MYTH OF THE ANDALUSIAN PARADISE”.
“LEBEL” you know there was no ISLAMIC GOLDEN AGE for KAFIRS !!! Your un-REFERENCED claims don’t convince WELL-READ JIHADWATCH followers… you are obviously used to an unprepared class of Leftards and Pollyannas which haven’t read the SOURCE TEXTS and can’t spot your taqiyya.
‘LEBEL’s’ TRICK is to CONFLATE the lax *PRACTICE* of Islam (at certain times) with the actual *DOCTINES* of Islam in order to THROW SAND IN THE FACE of his readers.
It is inconvertible that ISLAM HATES THE KAFIR AT ALL TIMES and teaches Muslims to show HOSTILITY and ENMITY towards the dirty KUFAAR. .
It’s time for “LEBEL” to read THE HISTORY OF JIHAD by Robert Spencer to see how ‘nice’ Islam was at all times. Unlike “LEBEL’s” moronically simplified claims about a benign, nonexistent version of Islam, the LATEST HISTORIANS are going to the MEDIEVAL SOURCE TEXTS to find the ATROCITIES and BRUTALITIES that were the DAILY LOT OF DHIMMIS under SHARIA DICTATORSHIPS.
How little LEBEL thinks of the dirty KUFAAR … believing he can EASILY trick them …. This convinces me that ‘LEBEL’ is a not-too-bright shill who is used to dealing with a RAH-RAH crowd of Muslims or a totally uninformed bunch of unread and unstudied LEFTARDS. We IN FACT ALREADY STUDIED ISLAMIC HISTORY, the PACT OF OMAR and the HISTORY OF THE OTTOMAN TREATMENT OF DHIMMIS. It’s ALL appallingly cruel.
Now hear this, LEBEL: WE HAVE READ ISLAMIC HISTORY … and *ISLAM THE IDEOLOGY* is a ALWAYS *BAD* … *EVERYWHERE* and *AT ALL TIMES* … in different periods the Islamic leaders were MORE OR LESS *INDULGENT* and more or less *STRICT* in applying DISCRIMINATORY SHARIA LAW and in applying the EXTREMELY DISCRIMINATORY *PACT OF OMAR*.
Lebel, NOT EVEN YOU WILL ARGUE THAT THE *PACT OF OMAR* is not NORMATIVE ISLAM and the said *PACT* is not 100% DISCRIMINATORY.
“LEBEL” tries to pretend that a LAX PRACTICE of Islam (at certain times) is REAL ISLAM … but you know that LAX ISLAM is NOT REAL ISLAM, but 50% apostasy. We know that LAX ISLAM is NON-OBSERVANT ISLAM … and so do you, “LEBEL”.
Lebel, are you a 50% APOSTATE ??? Do practice ISLAM-À-LA-CARTE ???
You are obviously a LAX MUSLIM. You are like a man wearing a very bad mask.
gravenimage says
lebel’s claim that every part of the world is as violent and ugly as the bloody horror of Islam means that he hopes that no one here has ever done any research of their own.
While I learned quite a bit from Spencer’s excellent book, most of this information can be found elsewhere (just not all in one place)–and I had studied much of it previously. lebel cannot whitewash this savagery–no matter how much he may try.
Terry Gain says
lebel
If Islam was so civilized a thousand years ago, why has it been so backward ever since?
lebel says
Hi, I don’t think it was any more civilized than other places in general. At times more, at times less, like any other empire. And like any other empire, I can pluck out events (like pogroms) happening over the course of hundreds of years in an area the size of a continuent , put them in a table and say “here, this is what they did all the time!”
You could do it with France or “catholicism”
You could do it with the West
You could do it with Russia
You could do it the Roman Empire, Persia, Greece.
gravenimage says
How far back does lebel have to go in the West?
Meanwhile, he hopes we ignore the horrors of Islam that are being perpetrated *today*.
eduardo odraude says
lebel sarcastically says: “for that view to make sense, Islam must be always bad everywhere.”
Islam’s prime exemplar united religion and state in himself. Consequently there is no separation of religion and state in Islam. Thus the core Islamic texts and many Muslims reject freedom of religion or freedom of speech. Muhammad in the most canonical hadith collection, Sahih Bukhari, says “If someone changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.” Islam is certainly bad. Of course, one can find good elements, but then one can find some good elements even in Stalinism and Nazism. So what. They still were monstrous systems on the whole, just like Islam. If Islam is not bad, why did a UN Arab human rights report note that the whole Islamic world, in 1000 years, had translated fewer books into Arabic than little Spain translates into Spanish every single year?
eduardo odraude says
And why is it that the Jews, who have one-hundredth the population of Muslims, have received about a hundred times as many Nobel prizes in the physics, mathematics, medicine, and economics? 100 x 100 = 10,000. In other words, per capita, Jews received 10,000 times the science Nobels Muslims receive. Another bit of the voluminous evidence that Islam is a totalitarian, human-crushing culture.
gravenimage says
+1
gravenimage says
And note that lebel never says where Islam is *not* bad.
tim gallagher says
I have never believed these fantasies about how Islam ever (whether in Spain or anywhere else) was tolerant and peaceful in any area of the world where it grabbed power. Islam is full of calls to “kill the non-believers wherever you find them”, etc. No other religion has such a hate-filled attitude towards people who are not part of the evil cult. So how could Islam ever have been some kind of beacon of tolerance and harmony. Lying BS no doubt put about by lying Muslims over the centuries. I have been reading Robert Spencer’s “The History of Jihad”, so I can see how barbaric the early Crusaders also were, which Robert mentions in the book. But I’m sure that Islam, which always seeks to humiliate and oppress all non-Muslims, was worse than any other religion. Robert sets the record straight in his book. And, it’s no different today. It isn’t Buddhist terrorists. It’s always Muslims. Never ending violence. That’s Islam. People like lebel (in his comment above) should be honest and just say they are happy to be part of a murderous, barbaric cult called Islam rather than trying to lie and say that Islam was once peaceful. As if. Islam is about as peaceful as Nazism. People like lebel should either pack up and leave islam and join the more decent, non-Muslim members of the human race or admit that they are content to be part of an evil, always violent ideology. They shouldn’t try to sugar coat Islam’s nature.
Kurt says
Tic tock time to rock! Starsky and Hutch the crime fighting duo! Closest crime fighting duos that had some resemblance.
abad says
Islamic propaganda, just like Nazi propaganda. Islam has never existed peacefully with non-Moslems.
na says
Obamas are pagan worshipers who are the ancestors of Egyptian Pharaoh. Once he moved to US and planned a Jihad attack against White house. But later he confessed and changed his mind.
na says
youtube.com/watch?v=gfPADHiz5-c
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na says
Are Muslims millennial generation x category?
na says
youtube.com/watch?v=zj4aU4DmCFs
na says
Act17 Ruben Israel is crusader…
youtube.com/watch?v=zj4aU4DmCFs
duh swami says
Not all Muslims are ‘natural born killers, but some are…Those that are not support those that are…Killing for Allah is not a sin, it’s a ‘holy’ act worthy of support…Don’t expect Muslims to condemn ‘holy acts in the name of of Allah…
Norman Moffatt says
Finished Robert’s latest book, a must read if you care about historical events that effect us today.
eduardo odraude says
At about 58 seconds into the video, the sound goes way out of sync with the video. It happens because the video stops for a few seconds but the sound keeps going.
Jay de Silva says
I wish this book, ‘History of Jihad from Mohammed to ISIS’ is available on Kindle (or Amazon) in ebook format at less than $3.00. It is available for a very high price, way beyond what I can afford. I hear it carries a very important message. Please make it affordable to the general public through Kindle.
gravenimage says
You might try to find it at your library.
No Sharia says
Mohammedans be damned!!!!