They don’t talk to the police because they don’t trust them, because the police are not Muslims. The Qur’an teaches that Muslims are “the best of people” (3:110) and non-Muslims are “the most vile of created beings” (98:6). But no one will admit that is the cause, and so the police keep trying “outreach” programs to win them over. The result? Disasters such as the police career of Mohamed Noor.
“Back in Omar’s district, police deal with gangs, relations with tight-lipped Somali community,” by Hollie McKay, Fox News, February 14, 2019 (thanks to Mark):
MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. – In the dead of the cold, late night on Tuesday, a young Somali man was shot in the hip. Someone took him to the local trauma center, left him there, and drove off.
The man told police at his bedside that he didn’t know who shot him, who took him to the hospital, or why he was targeted. “I’m intoxicated,” he told cops, while doctors tended his wound, before insisting he didn’t know anything else about what happened.
For the attending police officers, it was a frustrating, albeit familiar, response from a member of the Somali community, whose support in November sent one of their own, Rep. Ilhan Omar, to Congress. While Omar has spoken out frequently and forcefully on a range of issues – some that seem little connected to her district – most members of the Somali community she represents remain far more insular.
The national epidemic of shootings involving young African-American men in America’s cities certainly isn’t unique to Minneapolis. But some officers here believe issues of cultural assimilation involving the Somali immigrant community, and a struggle on both sides to better communicate law enforcement’s mandate to protect and serve, makes it a particularly imposing challenge. One that politicians like Omar, they say, could do much more to effectively address.
“When they come here, they come with their own experiences of not trusting the police, and from a place where the police are known to be corrupt. And the challenge for us lies in trying to get them to cooperate,” said one law enforcement officer. “They’ll often call 911 when they need help. But when we come, they often won’t then tell us who is causing the problem so we can take action or stop the crime from happening again.”
“Our goal is to have a good relationship with the community, we try to engage but it’s proving to be a tough egg to crack,” another officer underscored.
According to data compiled last year by the Washington Post, more than half of all homicides statewide in Minnesota go unsolved. And that’s in part because Somali-Americans in Minneapolis aren’t talking enough to police, according to officers.
The Somali community grew here rapidly here during the 1990s, when large numbers of Somalis fled a devastating civil war. The community has since grown with the addition of U.S.-born children of those refugees – as has the debate over the Somalis’ desire and ability to culturally assimilate.
Minnesota is now home to one the largest Somali communities in the global diaspora, with an estimated 100,000 living in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area. The Cedar-Riverside neighborhood is the center of the Somali community – and is fondly nicknamed “Little Mogadishu” – for its array of Somali-centered organizations, businesses, and mosques.
Last year, it was announced that massive security upgrades totaling some $825,000 were coming to the major government-funded apartment complex in Cedar-Riverside, to “address resident safety concerns.” Part of the plan was to place a six-foot perimeter fence at the Cedar High Apartments, a complex owned and managed by Minneapolis Public Housing Authority, and for many, the central meeting point for the community.
While supported by some, others expressed their concerns the fence would only further isolate the Somali population, and hinder their ability to work with them and make the area safer.
Some investigators lament the difficulties in rooting out gang violence that remains a problem in not just the Somali community, but neighboring areas. The proper dismantling of the gangs, police stress, is a two-way street. Gang activity now is no longer centered on larger outfits like MS-13, or the Crips. Much more common here are smaller gangs with names like “Somali Mafia,” “Somali Outlaws,” “Young n’ Thuggin (YNT)” and even the “Taliban.”
“It’s hard for any community to assimilate and to immediately transform from the life they knew. But the distrust is only getting worse,” said an area law enforcement official. “The gang violence is only getting worse. Not only do crimes go unsolved, but many don’t get reported at all.”
But Jeanine Brudenell, the former Minneapolis Police Department’s Somali liaison officer, who retired in 2017, believes gang violence has waned somewhat. She acknowledged that while the “huge fear of police and government” has made efforts to protect the community, the right steps are being put in place in terms of community relations.
In recent years, the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) has sought to do more community outreach, and bring into the fold more Somali officers. The department currently has eight ethnic Somalis serving as officers.
“The City of Minneapolis has the largest Somali population, per capita, in the United States. The Minneapolis Police Department strongly believes that a police department that reflects the community it serves is an important first step in building trust,” John Elder, Minneapolis Police Department Public Information Officer told Fox News. “When Somali residents see officers that look like them, on patrol and detectives in investigation units, they are more likely have the confidence the MPD will understand their culture and background.”…
dan christensen says
It is totally clear that the somalian invaders are up to creating their own islamic enclave around Minneapolis. In order to prepare for this, a somalian independence movement must be created and sustained – until the somalian 5’th column is strong enough to declare their own local IS. A mutual antagonistic mood is a prerequisite, fired by the somalian supremacists.
Europeans know everything about how unpleasant it is, with snakes in your backyard.
Frederick King says
Who let these things in ? Islamic tribesmen. Iron age with guns. Manycam with immigration fraud, not being relatives. Gt rid of every one of these. hey are little different from gangsters here. Hillary would have brought in 200,000 mor. can yo believe it ? Thank you President Trump.
Brigitte from Germany says
People from Somalia has a home-land, this is Somali.
It`s better for us and for them they are going back to Somalia.
Mike Stevens says
As with many other African-Americans, lawlessness, violence and a lack of respect for authority is at the very core of their culture and behaviour. Look at cities like Detroit, Washington and Chicago.
And the chaos in the entire continent of Africa demonstrates the undisputable, if unpalatable to liberals, reality that there is something inherently flawed and dangerous in that culture.
smoris says
“The City of Minneapolis has the largest Somali population, per capita, in the United States. The Minneapolis Police Department strongly believes that a police department that reflects the community it serves is an important first step in building trust,” John Elder, Minneapolis Police Department Public Information Officer told Fox News. “When Somali residents see officers that look like them, on patrol and detectives in investigation units, they are more likely have the confidence the MPD will understand their culture and background.”
No, I beg to differ with this view. Somalis came here not to find officers who “look like them”. Indeed, they left a failed nation state chock full of such officers. They came here for either profit or out of fear. . They have massively profited here. They have everything Americans have worked to earn immediately and without waiting as “refugees”.. They have nothing to fear from Americans, only from fellow Somalis. There is one other reason they came here – to conquer us. This they are well on the way to finishing. Without our help.
Instead of attempting to assimilate them – which only they can do anyway – by giving them guns and authority when they are NOT assimilated and are NOT capable of understanding our way of life, and thus endangering the public, we should simply as them, “Do you want to accept our way of life and can you and will you?” If they do not act in accordance with our laws, our customs, our norms, they should be sent back immediately and find their Somali officers who look like them where they are plentiful. Their issues in Somalia are theirs to solve, not ours. It is up to them, not us, to fix their problems. We must stop treating these people like little children. They are adults. Just as adults everywhere else, they need to act maturely and roll up their sleeves and go to work on their problems in Somalia. Us providing them with a full time, life time adult day care complete with Somali cops is absurd. When we bring this massive migration here will we become Somalia. Our Congress is a showcase for this failed idea. Look at Ihlan Omar, a woman who has participated in illegal efforts to import her brother, a strident and vicious anti-Jew with a rotten attitude toward America. Who needs her? Why does America want her or her kind? The answer is WE DON’T.
WPM says
I see Somalia no go zone like the Islamic no go zone in Europe as a sad future for the city of Minneapolis in Americas Midwest.
Jayme says
The Somalis in Ottawa having been calling for there own police force for a few years now in Toronto there asking the police to understand the culture differences.
Or Else! says
Canada is supposedly striving towards a multicultural society…which works ONLY if every culture’s ideological software doesn’t contain, for starters, supremacism and divine licence to maraud its way to that end.
mortimer says
Canada’s current government is STRIVING NOT for multiculturalism, but MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SUPREMACISM and GLOBALIST INVASION.
gravenimage says
True, Or Else!.
mortimer says
ISLAMIC APARTHEID 101 : definition – ISLAM ON TOP
What??? No calls for ‘BUDDHIST POLICE’ or ‘HINDU POLICE’ or ‘ZOROASTRIAN POLICE’ or ‘JEWISH POLICE’ ???
If there are not SEPARATE-BUT-EQUAL police forces for EVERY GROUP IN SOCIETY (LGBT POLICE …. etc.), then there should be only ONE police force.
If you wonder whether something is BIGOTED or RACIST, then just CHANGE THE LABEL from ‘MUSLIM’ to something else.
SEPARATE-BUT-EQUAL was tried in SOUTH AFRICA and the world called it APARTHEID.
Jaladhi says
Don’t they have an option of going back to Somalia? Maybe our government should facilitate their return so that they can help their native land!
rbla says
Gives the lie to the frequently expressed opinion that if local authorities identify illegal immigrants the police will not get them to cooperate, These Somalis are here legally (not a great idea but here they are) yet they refuse to cooperate with law enforcement.
rubiconcrest says
Perhaps immigrants can be required to cooperate with law enforcement or face deportation.
Indiana Tom says
See you do not have to go to Rinkeby Sweden, Rinkeby Sweden comes to you! Next politicians will have hand grenade buy back days and grenade control laws. Yeah, that should work.
lebel says
“They don’t talk to the police because they don’t trust them, because the police are not Muslims”
Right, like they talk to the police in Somalia. Do you know what the police stands for in such countries? it’s a mafia or rather it’s THE mafia
Jayme says
In parts of Canada and I am sure the States is the same many think rape etc should be allowed as it is in there home land.
mortimer says
You actually approve of SHARIA LAW POLICING, don’t you lebel? It’s in the Koran and the Sunna of Mohammed … so you must approve … or you are an apostate who should be executed.
The concept of HISBAH in Islam originates from a number of Qur’anic verses and Hadiths. It is an obligation placed on every Muslim to call for what is good or right and to prevent or denounce what is bad or wrong. The Koran states: “Let there arise from you a group calling to all that is good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong. It is these who are successful.” (Koran 3:104). A hadith states: “Whosoever among you sees an act of wrong SHOULD CHANGE IT WITH HIS HANDS. If he is not able to do so, then he should change it with his tongue. If he is not able to do so, then with his heart, and this is the weakest of faith.” (Sahih Muslim, 49)
SHARIA LAW:
Chapter R7.0: GIVING DIRECTIONS TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO DO WRONG
@R7.1
(Nahlawi:) It is not permissible to give directions and the like to someone intending to perpetrate a sin, because it is helping another to commit disobedience. Allah Most High says,
“Do not assist one another in sin and aggression” (Koran 5:2).
Giving directions to wrongdoers includes:
-1- showing the way to policemen and tyrants when they are going to commit injustice and corruption;
YES, LEBEL, DON’T HELP THE POLICE TO ARREST LAW-BREAKING MUSLIMS. We know YOU won’t help the police.
gravenimage says
Good post, Mortimer.
gravenimage says
I see that lebel is claiming that Muslims only refuse to the cooperate with the filthy Infidels because the police are the Mafia in Muslim nations.
See? if only we were more sympathetic to violent Muslim gangs in the West! Poor Muslims, victims of mean Kuffar who don’t want to be victims of Jihad…
mortimer says
As no-go zones increase in size, corruption and infamy, Americans will become aware that Islam is 22 cults in one: … a death cult, a rape cult, an honor-killing cult, an extortion cult, a plunder cult, a censorship cult, a misogyny cult, a lie cult, a pedophilia cult, a sadomasochistic cult, an obsessive-compulsive cult, a supremacism cult, a Jew hatred cult, a Christianophobia cult, a male chauvinist cult, an inbreeding cult, an obscurantism cult, a superstition cult, a personality cult, a cruelty to animals cult, a group-think cult, a suicide cult.
Americans are in fact increasingly aware that Islamic no-go zones are the staging grounds for radicalization and ANTI-KAFIR-ISM.
Phil Copson says
John Elder, Minneapolis Police Department Public Information Officer told Fox News. “When Somali residents see officers that look like them, on patrol and detectives in investigation units, they are more likely have the confidence the MPD will understand their culture and background.”…
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Hmm.. the “Information Officer” seems to be in need of a bit of information himself; it’s isn’t the job of the MPD to “understand their culture and background” – if by that he means not expecting the same standards of behaviour as are expected of the indigenous population.
Their primary job is to make sure that immigrants of whatever stripe get the message loud and clear that they are expected to obey US law and won’t be getting special treatment.
gravenimage says
Good post, Phil.
OT–did you get my email?
somehistory says
They don’t see a wall” as protecting them; they see it as a hindrance to their criminal activities and a protection for their targeted victims.
“come with their own experiences of not trusting the police, ”
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This isn’t why they won’t “talk” to the police. They don’t wish the police to know of their own criminal activities and know that if they “talk,” something might slip out that will incriminate them.
dan christensen says
It is common knowledge in Europe that muslims prefer running small businesses like retail stores (pizzerias).
This is because paying with cash is normal here and receipts can be omitted.
In this way the businessowners my hide their turnover for the IRS people, cheat with taxes and VAT, whitewash dirty money and so forth.
Also it is easy to employ illegal (foreigners without permits) unskilled labour like family members, without registrering with the authorities.
The trick is to hide every economic activity for the government in order to avoid taxation and governmental control.
In this way muslims undermines local businesses in the hosting country and send their profit back to their home countries for hiding.
The somalis have a vested interest in keeping distance to every authority in Minneapolis. It is best for them to avoid paying their share of the common public expenses. As they get away with in Europe to a large extent.
Kepha says
Saw the same in China when I was a consular officer there. A man originally from Fuzhou (the buckle of the alien-smuggling and immigration fraud belt back in the ’90’s) wanted to have his young son immigrate and join him. I refused on the grounds that, given the reported income, the kid would become a public charge. The man then said he actually had far more assets than he reported, so I told him to go back to NY and talk to the IRS.
How Ilhan Omar got involved in bringing a brother over via fraudulent marriage is beyond me. Then again, the Democrats have made same sex marriage a plank; so I guess incest and polygamy have to be acceptable, too.
Somehow, we Americans need to turn out the Democrats root and branch.
Spiro says
Sadly most people don’t care about anything but their own self interest so don’t look for the dems to be voted out anytime soon
elee says
Can someone explain why it is that, after the Blackhawk Down episode, someone decided we needed to create Mogadishu in Minneapolis? We save them from starvation, they try to kill us. Sxxxxxxx country, sxxxxxxx culture, who needs it?
Kepha says
Indeed. It sounds like a poisonous culture.
Kay says
It was known at least 30 years ago about the fgm in Somalia and the horrible medical problems it caused for girls.
My first thought when I first heard we were taking in people from Somalia was “oh no. This will be different from every other wave of refugee. I can’t believe we’re bringing that problem here.”
At that time, I knew nothing of Islam. It was just foreign. I didn’t even know the Somalians were Muslim. Turns out, fgm is a problem but not the only one.
Stacy Girl says
Grim reminder. I do hope Ilhan Omar has been given the treatment. What am I saying? Of course she has, and it explains her attitude. Internalize. Project. Destroy.
gravenimage says
The brave Ayaan Hirsi Ali was also mutilated as a child, and she is not like this. FGM is horrifying, but falling victim to it does not make you a monster.
Embracing Islam does, though.
Garnett Rope says
Isn’t having police that “look like you” a racist thing?
Stacy Girl says
Yes, Garnett, but it makes it easier to gun down someone like Justine Damond. Had a shrew like Congress-muzzie Omar run out to meet the police, she’d still be alive.
infidel says
U are only experiencing what we Hindus in India have already experienced in our Muslim areas like Kashmir and got repeatedly snake bitten and burnt…It is tragically funny to see how people never learn from the experience of others and then fail in the same manner or even worse. As an outsider to America, I see all this happening in my own lifetime… the unraveling of great powers from the inside. How sad… but these days I just laugh bitterly.. Yes, I have to laugh to keep my sanity…Poor Robert Spencer… I can not even imagine the pain that he is going thru, because the USA is his country…
No Muzzies Here says
Part of Minneapolis is no longer in the USA. It is now a separate country, with its own laws. However, it willingly accepts millions of dollars from the USA and from the stupid fools who do nothing about this nascent Sharia-controlled state within the confines of the USA.
infidel says
Any Muslim infestation of any country is always a MONEY and RESOURCE DRAINER… Just look at the Northern Indian state of Kashmir…. just take take take and no give except terror and unending anguish. This in itself is another islamic truism from the annals of the infiidel.
unbeliever1 says
I wonder if she’ll throw her hijab into the 2020 presidential race. Just hope she does. That’ll be the end for the Dems. Between her AOC and that other Muslim congresswoman, the Dems have inherited nothing but trouble in their camp.
Vicky says
Rep Ilhan Omar can NEVER become POTUS, since she is NOT a natural-born U.S. citizen. She was born in 1982 in Mogadishu, Somalia. Thank God, and the Founding Fathers, she will never be elected President!
Ole Pederson says
Watch out!!
If the authorities make the mistake of recruiting Somalis for their police force, as a the result will not be increased young Somali perpetrators’ confidence in the police, instead the police will end up as part of organized crime!
Reckless politicians in Berlin, Germany, had the exact same idea for the exactly same reasons and promoted an increase in the number of migrant police officers. Arab organized crime infiltrated the police, and today police raids against the Arab mafia fail as the details are given away by some officers to their clansmen beforehand!