“We need an Indian, perhaps subcontinental, truth and reconciliation process. Muslims would acknowledge and disassociate themselves from the bloody and horrific history of the conquest of India. Hindus, in turn, would let go of their hurt and pain that can turn into retaliatory rage.”
The bloody and horrific history of the jihad against India is recounted in immense detail from Muslim sources in The History of Jihad.
“So, is Hinduism a part of heritage and identity of contemporary Indian Muslims? Why is the question never framed in this manner? Why is the onus only on Hindus to accept Muslims and not the other way round?”
The same question could be asked all over the Western world. Why is the only always solely on non-Muslims to accept Islamic tenets and practices, and never on Muslims to adapt to the mores and values of the non-Muslim societies in which they live?
“Why is the onus only on Hindus to accept Muslims and not the other way round?,” by Makarand R Paranjape, Firstpost, February 4, 2019 (thanks to Vikram):
Defining the issue we are debating may itself be part of the problem, the symptom of the malaise. Let us consider the first question posed: is Islam part of Indian heritage? A commonsensical response would be what kind of a dumb question is that. Muslims have been hereabouts from the very inception of the religion. What is more, much of India was under Muslim rule for more than 600 years.
Today, India is home to one of the world’s largest Muslim populations. If you add Bangladesh and Pakistan, there are more Muslims in the subcontinent than anywhere in the world. This situation makes the answer to the question obvious. Yes, Islam is very much a part of Indian history and heritage.
The second question — should Islam be a part of the modern Indian identity — is more complicated. One could respond with a counter-question: can anyone fix or define what “the modern Indian identity” is, let alone impose it on others? We could ask a similar question about Islam. What do we mean by an Islamic identity? Who’s Islam? The Jihadi kind, the liberal kind, or something-in-between?
Moreover, the word “should” indicates what is desirable, even obligatory. Should, in that sense, any religion be a necessary or required part of the Indian identity? If such questions are open-ended, so would the answers be.
Now to the third question: what is the legitimacy of the claim that Muslims should be a part of the Indian milieu? This query, one would imagine, is subsumed in the previous two. There is only one added angle, that of legitimacy. But who will determine legitimacy?
If we go by the Constitution, then all religions must be treated equally, despite faith-specific personal laws. Our experience, however, is that all religions are not equal. Some are more equal than others. Majorities do matter, especially when they are effectively mobilised, sending their representatives to power. On the other hand, the so-called minorities also have all kinds of protections, if not privileges and advantages.
Of course, Muslims should be—are—a part of the Indian milieu. Who can doubt it, especially these days when every other Muslim asserts identity with a skullcap, a burqa or a headscarf?
That is why the questions obscure rather than uncover what the real problem is: Hindu-Muslim relations in India and the subcontinent. This is the elephant in the room. Why don’t we want to talk about it? Why is the “secular” and “Left-Liberal” intelligentsia and media obscuring it?
Why must we not speak of the Islamic conquest of the subcontinent, often violent and savagely destructive? Why must we downplay, if not deny, this history?
It is this “denialism” that has resulted in a backlash, bordering on rage or worse, counter-narratives of “victimology” or “demonology.”
Hindus, to put it bluntly, feel victimised in a Hindu-majority country. Some even want to turn India into a “Hindu Rashtra.” In turn, some demonise Muslims, most of whom are descendants of victims of the conquerors and forced converts.
But history cannot be undone or set right by revenge narratives. Then what is the way out? How can Hindus and Muslims live in peace?…
We need an Indian, perhaps subcontinental, truth and reconciliation process. Muslims would acknowledge and disassociate themselves from the bloody and horrific history of the conquest of India. Hindus, in turn, would let go of their hurt and pain that can turn into retaliatory rage.
So, is Hinduism a part of heritage and identity of contemporary Indian Muslims? Why is the question never framed in this manner? Why is the onus only on Hindus to accept Muslims and not the other way round?
Krishna says
History will repeat itself when history is denied
christianblood says
The onus is on all infidels to accept Muslims and not the other way round and the secular pro-Islamist West promotes that agenda globally! Saudi Arabia, for instance, where all non-islamic houses of worship and the public expression of all non-islamic religions are illegal is the closest ally of the U$ and the West and yet other countries where there is relative religious freedom is constantly demonized by the pro-Islamist West and its MSM! For example, U$ gives Billions of its tax-payer money to Saudi Arabian war on Yemen and U$-made weapons are directly passed to Al-Qaeda in Yemen by Saudi Arabia! This is beyond outrageous! Please watch the latest report of how U$ is directly arming Al-Qaeda and its Saudi sponsors on the breaking news below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeIpNzJhuO0
Terry Gain says
Every Muslim country is a human rights cesspool. You are a useful idiot.
mortimer says
Russia is also a human rights cesspool. https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russia-detaining-more-political-prisoners-says-memorial-rights-group-59422
Indiana Tom says
Christian Blood asked me why i thought he was a Russian? Good question as most Russians I have met on the Internet actually seemed like normal people, something Christian Blood is not.
christianblood says
Indiana Tom
Jesus was called a liar and demon-possessed by the Pharisees and you are calling me up-normal for speaking the Truth which you obviously hate! Read St. John 8:12-58
gravenimage says
Good posts, Terry, Mortimer, and Indiana Tom.
And I see that christianblood is comparing himself to Jesus again–he has done this whenever anyone has been critical of his lauding Shari’ah in Iran or Chechnya, or taken issue with his fervent desire that Muslims conquer and destroy the West.
christianblood says
Terry Gain
You are blaming the messenger but the true message that the US spends billions on arming and funding Saudi Arabia and Al-Qaeda seems okay to you? Watch the video I provided above and understand that the point is not about ‘human rights’ in the muslim world. The point of the video is that as speak, the US is giving billions to Saudi Arabia and Al-Qaeda and that is documented in the video above. If you watch the video and see the documented factual news there you will know that there is NO difference between the US, Saudi Arabia and Al-Qaeda! They are allies and they are One and the Same Thing! May the God of Justice deal with them very harshly!
gravenimage says
Of course it is not about human rights in the Muslim world for christianblood. He has many times sneered at the whole Idea of human rights, and has further lauded Iran, Chechnya, and Hezb’allah for their human rights abuses.
He has many times claimed that the US is funding Al-Qaeda–even claiming that we created them. Never mind 9/11…
As for the last, this is his once again demanding that God let Muslims conquer us. If he was *really* Anti-Jihad, why would he so desire Muslims to take over the most powerful (never mind freest) nations on earth?
christianblood says
gravenimage
Once again like “Terry Gain” Graven is not upset or angry about the fact that the US is giving to Saudi Arabia and Al-Qaeda Billions of US-taxpayer money but she is upset with me and blaming me with all kinds of false issues for reporting and sharing these facts! Shame on you, Graven! Watch the message in the video above which was reported also by the CNN and by Associated Press and stop attacking the messenger!
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
Once again like “Terry Gain” Graven is not upset or angry about the fact that the US is giving to Saudi Arabia and Al-Qaeda Billions of US-taxpayer money
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What rot–I have said many times here that we should not consider the appalling Saudis to be any kind of ally. christianblood, of course, knows this. As for his assertions that we are giving billions of taxpayer money to Al-Qaeda, not even RT’s Rick Sanchez is saying this–he in fact says that the US wants assurances that none of this money will end up in Al-Qaeda’s hands.
Is he hoping we won’t watch his own linked videos?
Of course, the Saudis themselves have all sorts of unsavory links–we should know that.
More:
but she is upset with me and blaming me with all kinds of false issues for reporting and sharing these facts! Shame on you, Graven!
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Note that christianblood does not deny a single thing I said–because he can’t.
More:
Watch the message in the video above which was reported also by the CNN and by Associated Press and stop attacking the messenger!
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christianblood’s problem is that I *did* watch it. And no–CNN and the Associated Press have not claimed that the US is giving Al-Qaeda money, either, that I can see. Citations, please.
Paul J says
Christianblood have a look at this Banned Czech documentary at https:Knightstemplarorder.com/serbia_stolen_kosovo_documentary. I know where you are coming from bro. Christians killing Christians for the sake of Arabian oil.
christianblood says
Paul J
Thank you very much Paul J.
Will watch the documentary for sure!
God bless!
jimjfox says
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe –
Just ONE of many koran verses extolling Islam over all religions. Hindus, as with all non- muslims are najjis kuffar, ‘filthy infidels’- no further explanation of muslim supremacy is needed.
mortimer says
Makarand R Paranjape must realize that the political ideology of Islam (deen) cannot be rejected by Muslims anymore than reincarnation may be rejected by Hindus. They would no longer be Muslims.
He may as well ask for the earth to spin in the opposite direction. Such a reform of Islam could not be sincere, but merely a pretence put up with the purpose of furthering the jihad.
Ravi says
Actually many Hindus believe in Moksha (Redemption) instead of reincarnation. The cycle of birth and death is reincarnation and the assimilation of the spirit into the universe is the final Arth (Meaning).
Kesselman says
The Western globalist elites have their agenda part stealth and part open for all to see. The open part is about buying partners so as to be in control of raw materials and minds. The stealth part is psychological and has to do with a somewhat guilt-complex in the category “White Man’s Burden” in reverse.
James Hilborn says
There is war and there will be be war until Islam is reduced and returned to the 3d World privy it used to live in. The US oil boom is the death knell of Islam.
Halal Bacon says
because satan, er I mean allah says so according to chief pedophile moHAMhead
PRCS says
“because satan, er I mean allah”
You are assuming that there actually IS an Allah.
Emilie Green says
“How can Hindus and Muslims live in peace?”
Because Muslims will not permit it. When their holy script tells them that they are the best of peoples, superior to all others, then giving equal acknowledgement to others would be a violation of their own religion. And 1400 years have born this out. Islam is always thrust upon others. And resentment lingers. Examples are Persia/today’s Iran and the subcontinent as a whole.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Why is the onus only on Hindus to accept Muslims and not the other way round?
The answer is simple in my mind, because islam’s core principles are self-serving and intolerant, it’s also morally retarded and violently bigoted . Islam isn’t about “fairness” or mutual understanding or tolerance, it’s about “submission” to religious supremacy and male dominance. The eclectic and tolerant nature of Hinduism is diametrically opposed to islam, islam eats weaklings like Hinduism. As far as islam is concerned the “onus” is on every non- muslim to submit to them. And if we don’t they feel entitled to kill or extort us. You can’t “speak of the Islamic conquest of the subcontinent” because that would offend the bully mindset of your aspiring muslim overlords. And I don’t think a “reconciliation process” is the answer. Islam is not a reformed bully, if anything muslims are on the move, terrorizing, warring, advancing throughout the world aggressively and murderously. What you’d get is a lot of taqiyya until they could destroy your nation completely, your attempt at reconciliation would end in vanquished humiliation..
Don’t give the bastards an inch, I say. You seem to be making the same mistake most of the West is making with islam and muslims, you think you can reason with islam’s aggressive demon mentality. Islamic doctrine is not tailored for “reconciliation,” it’s designed to dominate and control, that’s what muslims consider their ultimate guide for living. Until they dig out the underlying aggressive bigotry in their “religion” you are wasting your time thinking a reconciliation process will do any good. You are talking too nice for your own good. Far better to be bold in defense of your nation and principles against their terroristic doctrines and conquering ambitions. It’s a Darwinian world whether it came naturally or was created by a god, only the strong survive. No humane god would ever expect any moral nation to submit to the retarded and violent maxims by which muslims live, islam is an insult to any good god that might exist. And if demon allah is the true god then we should fight it with all our might and know that we did a good thing, for ourselves and the universe.
F*ck islam’s evil ways! God bless America, and may the god(s) bless India too!
infidel says
Very well put.. thanks
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
My pleasure. My hatred of islam is the only hate I’m actually proud of. 🙂
gravenimage says
+1
rubiconcrest says
Reconciliation is not the answer because the ideology is neither exposed nor forced to change. The only answer in democratic societies are laws banning all forms of religious extremism. Added to financial and other penalties for an institution or individual breaking the laws would be the imposition of community service wherein the offenders would have to make amends by instituting programs to undo the damage they have done. There should be hefty whistleblower protections and rewards for those alerting authorities to extremists in their midst.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
The only answer in democratic societies are laws banning all forms of religious extremism.
Personally I find that a wonderful idea. But by “extremism” I mean the violent and illegal kind. If a religious person wants to act extreme for their religion and eat dirt or roll on the floor like a dog, then that’s their own business even though I might think it’s weirdly “extreme.” But islam! now THAT’S extremism on a whole new level. Any religion that contains murderous threats against “unbelievers” or idolaters is illegal in my mind and should–at a minimum–be subject to the tightest legal scrutiny. Instead what we get is, “it’s a religion of peace,” or worse, they are portrayed as the victims even though muslims are doing the killing for the most violent ideology on the planet. And that’s why their leftist allies are complicit in the crimes and murders they do, because they shill for muslims and conceal the real danger that society needs to know about. I’m not a book burner, I’m a big fan of the 1st amendment and free expression. But ya shouldn’t yell fire and start a panic if there ain’t one, and ya shouldn’t have a religion with terroristic threats for which people kill and terrorize. One does not need to be a Oliver Wendell Holmes to know this. Ya just need to have some moral commonsense and human decency.
ntesdorf says
India has around 189 million Muslims, Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world, with approximately 225 million Muslims. Pakistan has about 200 million Muslims. Bangladesh has around 143 million Muslims. This puts India in third position for Muslim numbers. The problem and conflict with Islam in India is no small matter. Democratic countries and societies need to enforce their own laws which run counter to Sharia and Islamic practice.
Indiana Tom says
Indian writer: “Why is the onus only on Hindus to accept Muslims and not the other way round?”
American writer. ” Why is the onus only on Christians to accept Muslims and not the other way around?”
Debi Brand says
“Why is the only always solely on non-Muslims to accept Islamic tenets and practices, and never on Muslims to adapt to the mores and values of the non-Muslim societies in which they live?”
Because of the fact that, at the heart of what we call “Islam” is a governing system, one, allegedly, based on the law of “Allah,” the god of Muhammad. And that law, and all who revere and adhere to it, commands its alleged supremacy be fought for, seized where need be, and defended to the death.
Hence, in every nation wherein this alleged “religion” is/has been welcomed, into each of the said nations and their respective governing systems; whenever possible, adherents of “Islam” weave into those systems, the strands of Islam. Because do doing is precisely what their alleged “religion” commands that they do.
Because, thus doing, the said adherents, bit by bit, anytime opportunity welcomes or allows for such, by hook or by crook , both openly and surreptitiously, they bend each Islam welcoming nation into becoming, first, Islam welcoming, next, Islam honoring, and in due time, Islam concordant.
All governing systems who allow the above, bit by bit they lend/yield themselves to the goal of seeing the fruition of the words of “Qur’an,” the promise of the supremacy of the “religion” of the alleged “Prophet of Islam.”
Simple basic Islam in action.
christianblood says
Indiana Tom
So I speak the Truth and that makes me up-normal?
Why do you hate the Truth, Indiana?
You are like the Truth-hating Pharisees who called Jesus a liar and demon-possessed! Read St. John 8:12-58
gravenimage says
I see that christianblood is comparing himself to Jesus again here, for posting RT propaganda.
gravenimage says
Indian writer: “Why is the onus only on Hindus to accept Muslims and not the other way round?”
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Damn good question.
Save Europe says
The vile Obama did publicly say – India must learn to cherish its Muslims.