A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning” (Bukhari 4.54.460).
Another hadith attributes this to Muhammad: “By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle” (Ibn Majah 1854).
“Conservative Muslims reject antirape bill over ‘pro-adultery, LGBT’ concerns,” by Karina M. Tehusijarana, Jakarta Post, February 1, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
The passing of a bill on sexual violence, which has been deliberated on by the House of Representatives since 2016, is at risk of being delayed again, this time by those who consider it to be “pro-adultery” and “pro-LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender]” by omission.
The bill was first proposed after the gang rape and murder of a 14-year-old girl in Bengkulu in 2016 and gained traction again at the end of last year as the case of Baiq Nuril, a sexual harassment victim in West Nusa Nusa Tenggara (NTB) who was convicted for defaming her alleged harassed, came to light.
Public calls for the House to quickly pass the bill gained lawmakers’ attention and House Speaker Bambang Soesatyo said in his speech opening the current legislative session earlier this month that the House would prioritize passing the bill.
“We still have a lot of work to do to complete the bill and [eradicate] sexual violence, which has recently been in the public spotlight,” he said at the time.
But while concerns have been raised over whether lawmakers can work effectively in the lead-up to the 2019 General Elections, the bill has met another possible hurdle to its enactment into law: conservative criticism.
Maimon Herawati, a Padjajaran University lecturer who previously gained attention by starting an online petition demanding the ban of an ad featuring South Korean girlband BLACKPINK, started another petition on change.org on Friday, calling on the House to reject the “pro-adultery” bill.
“The idea that women should be given the legal power to protect themselves is good, but there is a gap that was deliberately made to allow [loopholes],” the petition said. “There is no regulation on sexual crimes, such as sexual relations that violate moral and religious norms.”
In her petition, which has been signed by 120,000 people, Maimon further argues that the bill was incompatible with local norms as it allowed consensual sexual relations outside of marriage and criminalized marital rape.
“Consequently, a husband could be prosecuted if he touches his wife when the wife does not want to be touched,” she warns….
Wellington says
In other words, violence per Islamthink can still be used against adulterous women, gay men, etc.
Islam shows its true colors yet again. Unfortunately, way too many in the West refuse to pay attention to this. People like May, Merkel, Macron, Trudeau and the current pontifex maximus come to mind. Indeed, those that come to mind are legion, other examples being the vast majority of Democrats here in America and not a few Republicans. Then there is that extra wretched man, Barack Obama, who smoothly made excuse after excuse for the worst religion of all time.
Sickening. Damn stupid too.
gravenimage says
It can be used by Muslims who merely *fear* adultery or homosexuality.
thebigW says
“In her petition, which has been signed by 120,000 people, Maimon further argues that the bill was incompatible with local norms as it allowed consensual sexual relations outside of marriage and criminalized marital rape.”
Didja get that? “In HER petition…” this female university professor doesn’t like the new bill because it CRIMINALIZES MARITAL RAPE. Where are the Western feminists on this…???
Anjuli Pandavar says
+1
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
==QUOTE== A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning” (Bukhari 4.54.460). ==UNQUOTE==
I am wondering about the theology behind this statement by Muhammad (pbuh).
[1] Epistemology: How does the Prophet know this about angels? Did he receive this knowledge by personal revelation from Allah, or did he reason to this conclusion from previous knowledge?
[2] What curses exactly do the angels speak against wayward wives? Is it something like “I hope you get a bad case of diarrhea!”?
[3] Don’t angels have free will in this matter, and what percentage of them are involved in the wife-cursing program? All of them? How much time do the angels spend in this wife-cursing chore? Being an angel sounds like an unpleasant existence. Maybe they would prefer to be in the cool part of Hell (Zamhareer).
[4] Does Allah have free will in this matter? When the angels curse a wife, must Allah carry out the curses the angels pronounce on her? Allah taking orders from angels sounds fundamentally unIslamic. On the other hand, if Allah does *not* obey the angels, their curses will be entirely bootless.
I imagine that today most Islamic seminaries have their students monitor the comments at websites like Jihad Watch for dawah training in how to handle questions about Islam. So Islamic seminarians, please take the above questions as a homework assignment. Inquiring kafirs want to know.
somehistory says
All of those ramblings from what’s-his-face, the mass murderer and raper of children, show just how ignorant of spiritual things he was.
Perhaps one of the devout moslims who currently post on this site will attempt to answer your questions
Anjuli Pandavar says
Ah, you see. To understand this, you need to cast your mind back 1400 years and breathe in the faeces and blood tinged air of late antiquity against a backdrop of sand dunes with oases dotted here and there, where the incantations of tribesmen work you into a trance while you circle the Devil in the moonlight and cast pebbles at him, and then retire for a glass of refreshing camel urine. That’s when you’ll appreciate the beauty and majesty of the HolyProphetMuhammadPeaceBeUponHim’s unique understanding of the angels. Until then, you are simply wandering aimlessly in the Jahiliyyah. Sorry. Or you could simply embrace Islam and it will all be clear.
somehistory says
A “female” who is in favor of a male having the “legal right” to rape his wife…is stooping low in furtherance of islam and it’s evil.
She is in favor of rape if it means that no one gets away with what she considers to be “crimes.” And she is in favor of rape in that she wants to protect “husbands” who wish to rape their wives. Probably, she has never been raped. If she has, then the saying for her is true, “misery loves company” except in this case, “lusts” for company.
gravenimage says
Indonesia: Muslim lawmakers reject anti-rape bill over concerns that it’s “pro-adultery” and “pro-LGBT”
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What could be more Islamic than rape?
boakai ngombu says
raping with rage that has no satisfaction