Mohammed Ali should never be allowed back in. He joined an entity that is avowedly at war with Canada and has repeatedly called upon Muslims in Canada to murder Canadian civilians. But the Canadian authorities are so clueless and compromised today that they will probably fall for this.
“‘I broke no laws there’: Canadian ISIS fighter wants help to return home,” CTV News, February 12, 2019:
An Ontario man who spent four years fighting for ISIS and used social media to recruit others now wants to return home with the help of the Canadian government.
Canadian Mohammed Ali says the Islamic State terror group is abandoning its foreign militants as it continues losing ground against U.S.-backed Kurdish fighters.
The 28-year-old says he, his Canadian wife and their two children have been “hung out to dry” and that it is no longer safe for them in Syria.
“Why shouldn’t I be able to go home? I’ve done nothing in Canada. I’ve broken no laws there at all,” said Ali in an interview.
Ali and his family attempted to flee to Turkey after he was cast out of the terror group, but were captured by coalition-led forces. They have been detained in a Syrian prison for the past nine months.
Ali fears the Islamic State militants still have sleeper cells and that members are hiding out until U.S. forces withdraw from the war zone.
“They have pockets in the desert; they’ve got people intermingling with the population, acting as civilians — just biding their time,” said Ali….
Arthur says
They hate western world, culture, religion, they fight it, but in the end they want to return to this western world, and 4 years as ISIS criminal, murderer, rapist, slave trader means nothing -“I’ve broken no laws”…how many innocent people did you behead? killed? raped?
mortimer says
YES ! HE BROKE THE FOLLOWING LAW AND OTHERS …
Criminal Code of Canada – Participating in Terrorist Activity (Offence)
Leaving Canada to participate in activity of terrorist group
83.181 Everyone who leaves or attempts to leave Canada, or goes or attempts to go on board a conveyance with the intent to leave Canada, for the purpose of committing an act or omission outside Canada that, if committed in Canada, would be an offence under subsection 83.18(1) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years.
2013, c. 9, s. 6.
Raleigh Epp says
Mortimer: Yes. Justin Trudeau and five of his M.P.’s have also broken these laws too! Just read Tom Quiggin’s reports and his latest book!
J D.S says
Makes no difference if he committed no crimes IN Canada..if he is a Canadian citizen and left his country to fight with ISIS, a group dedicated to destruction of freedom loving countries…He’s guilty,GUILTY, GUILTY…Go ahead Canada bring him home..try him with a military tribunal as a traitor and smartly execute him with a military firing squad.
Rufolino says
But it would be so unkind not to let him return (!)
skep says
Not to worry. Justin will bring him back and repatriate him. He will become
a good citizen.
ninetyninepct says
Alla knows that civilized people are not allowed to offend Khalid, Monsef, Trudeau, Khadr or any other Muslim..
Manny says
Send the scum to Guantanamo for the rest of his life.
Jimmy Thompson says
Love that idea !!
Paul J says
They only want to return to the West in order to change it and enrich themselves in the process; that is before their culture turns it into another shite hole.
Giacomo Latta says
They are all probably dying (I wish) for a book deal.
Renate says
Is Ali stupid or does he think we are? He didn’t do anything wrong in Canada? He just left the country to fight against Canada and Canadian allies in another country. Why shouldn’t he be allowed to come back to Canada? Oh, I don’t know. How is: “He was an enemy combatant.” for an answer?
Dan says
Guess that means, as a Canadian, as long as I leave the country I can:
Murder.
Rape.
Rob.
Traffic, and use, drugs.
Traffic, and use, slaves.
Traffic, and use, sex slaves.
Beat women.
Beat men.
Beat children.
Beat, buy, sell and use men/women/children.
Loot, pillage and plunder.
Burn, blow up and raze.
Buy, sell and use weapons of mass destruction.
I’d go on but, kinda think I’ve covered all the biggies for being tossed in the hoosegow even if I did come back to Canada.
Come to think of it…
Doesn’t the Islamic State do all of that?
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
Criminal Code of Canada – Offence
Participation in activity of terrorist group
83.18 (1) Every one who knowingly participates in or contributes to, directly or indirectly, any activity of a terrorist group for the purpose of enhancing the ability of any terrorist group to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding TEN YEARS.
Prosecution
(2) An offence may be committed under subsection (1) whether or not
(a) a terrorist group actually facilitates or carries out a terrorist activity;(b) the participation or contribution of the accused actually enhances the ability of a terrorist group to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity; or(c) the accused knows the specific nature of any terrorist activity that may be facilitated or carried out by a terrorist group.
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2001, c. 41, s. 4.
gravenimage says
+1
Darko R. says
Excellent work in digging that up Mortimer.
I could not believe that Canada had no laws against its citizens joining or working on behalf of terrorist organizations. But then I remembered you have Justine as PM.. Luckily it seems she hasn’t taken those paragraphs out of the statute books -yet.
Con Bradley says
Spot on Brother!.
keith Oades says
And this dickhead even admits that IS are using sleeper cells.
Of course he wants to go back to Canada,,,,,so he can start another one there!
Hugh Fitzgerald says
“But that was in another country, and besides, the wench is dead.”
gravenimage says
You can always count on Hugh Fitzgerald for a few good Christopher Marlowe quotes.
In this case, of course, the wench (or wenches) would likely be dead because this Jihadi murdered them.
robeta says
I have known some Canadians that have broken serious laws outside of Canada’s border. Not seen one of them face charges upon return to Canadian soil.
Leads me to believe that what happens outside of Canada, stays outside of Canada.
He will be joining the Canadian chapter of isis soon.
gravenimage says
Islamic State jihadi: “Why shouldn’t I be able to go home? I’ve done nothing in Canada. I’ve broken no laws there.”
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Well, of course! Why should Canada care if he committed genocide and used sex slaves? sarc/off
And as Keith Oades notes, many of these Islamic State Jihadis then form terror cells when they return to their home countries and wage violent Jihad there.
Mohammed Ali will almost certainly do this to Canadians, which is enough reason all by itself to keep him out.
Wellington says
+1
Martin says
video – Canadian jihadist says ISIS foreign fighters ‘hung out to dry’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ug2J_hAneE
Giacomo Latta says
Ali: Yes, I have shot and slashed the throats of 156 people, but hey, none of them were in Canada! So what’s the big deal.
Ren says
Islamic State jihadi: “Why shouldn’t I be able to go home?”
Because you’re a potential murderer. That’s why.
Terry Gain says
It’s certainly true he’s a potential murderer. But isn’t he also an actual murderer and rapist and perhaps torturer. Or was he a slacker?
observer says
I’d say the latter Terry.
Your version.
That he murdered, raped and very liikely tortured his victims.
After all of which we in the West must fall about in sympathy for +his+ great hardships or be damned for our abysmal bigotry and/or ‘racism’.
aaaarrgghhhhhhhhhhh
FYI says
He should go to his real home;Somalia,allah’s islamic paradise..where Jihadists go for holiday.In fact all jihadists should be sent there.And muslims from canada too.
Cradle to grave Welfare benefits,medical technology,economic growth,free press,respect for other religions..it has it all.
Young people congregate on beaches playing their musical instruments in the sun rejoicing in allah’s great bounty,there’s a roast in every pot:how allah takes such great care of his muslims!
Surely the streets of Mogadishu are paved with Gold.Forget canada:wouldn’t muslims prefer to live in a tropical islamic paradise instead like Somalia?
The mystery is why any muslims would want to leave it and come to the West.
gravenimage says
Muslims want to come here because they are instructed to spread Islam everywhere. Plus, they have a chance in the West to live off the foolish Infidels.
Wellington says
So true.
Terry Gain says
This Muslim is at home. Canadians don’t go half way around the world to rape and murder. His claim to be a Canadian is fraudulent and null and void.
Wellington says
Here’s the bigger problem for Canada and all Western nations: Adherents of the worst, and I mean THE WORST religion of all time, when taking a veritable plethora of matters into account, including the sheer amount of numb-nut Mo followers who are lethal control-freaks across the globe, should NOT, and find whatever legal pretext you can, be admitted to Western nations where freedom, which Islam is a mortal enemy of, is something deluded Mo followers (including that completely useless, clueless and gutless “group” known as “moderate Muslims”) would just be practically in Muslim heaven, you know, the heaven with the 72 virgins et al., if only they could eradicate it.
Sorry for the Dickensian long sentence above. But I am not sorry for my excoriation of Islam, which will destroy freedom and many other fine things if only given the chance.
Yes, where does real freedom exist in the Islamic world. Anyone? Hey, how about you, lebel?
Terry Gain says
Islam will no doubt destroy freedom in America unless there is a ban on Muslim immigration. Even though the American Constitution does not apply to people who are not on American soil, freedom of religion holds a special place both within the U. S. Constitution and the American psyche and it is therefore inconceivable that Americans will support a ban on Muslim immigration so long as Islam is regarded as a religion.
I have tried to provide guidance and a practical solution but so far I am facing strong head winds even on a site where people are very aware of the threat posed by Islam. 9/11 ought to have been a wake up call, but it wasn’t. The essential element in the arsenal of Islam is not jihad or terrorism, it is the propaganda that Islam is a religion.
Wellington says
OK, Terry, let’s for argument’s sake say you are correct, i.e., that Islam is not a religion. What do you propose so that American judges and other elites aplenty in America come to realize this and act accordingly to the law?
Terry Gain says
I propose what is obviously needed to prevent a Muslim conquest. A ban on further Muslim immigration. Muslims on American soil should have the same rights as everyone else.
Wellington says
No ban on Muslim immigration (which ban I would fully support) can occur if Islam is not first recognized as a negative by the powers that be. What is your plan so that such powers recognize how awful Islam is? This recognition must come first, as I have written countless times here at JW, irrespective of Islam being thereafter classed as an evil religion or not a religion at all.
gravenimage says
Yes–whether Islam is deemed an evil religion or declared a non-religion, the goal is the same–to get people to recognize the threat of Islam. I think we can agree on that.
David Grisez says
There were a number of Muslims that left various countries to join the Islamic State. And now they want to return to the countries they came from and pretend that they did nothing wrong in the country they came from. These Muslims that joined ISIS should not be allowed back into the nations they left, including the United States. These Muslims are battle hardened Jihad fighters who would end up carrying out acts of terrorism in what ever country they return back to live in.
rick oneil says
“he was cast out of the terror group” How did that happen? Cowardice?
We need an off-shore prison island like the French had in Guinea, Devil’s Island. Dump them there and forget them. And nothing goes in or out.
A_M_Swallow says
Britain has found a way of depriving Shamima Begum (the ‘Last cigarette’ for terrorists) of her British citizenship. She inherited Bangladesh citizenship from her parents. Canada and the USA may wish to consider something similar.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47299907
Terry Gain says
Wellington says
Feb 19, 2019 at 9:54 pm
No ban on Muslim immigration (which ban I would fully support) can occur if Islam is not first recognized as a negative by the powers that be. What is your plan so that such powers recognize how awful Islam is? This recognition must come first, as I have written countless times here at JW, irrespective of Islam being thereafter classed as an evil religion or not a religion at all.
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I completely agree. But developing a consensus that Islam is incompatible and a threat won’t in my opinion happen if Islam is regarded as a religion. Islamic doctrine and history must be studied and arguments advanced that Islam is evil and incoherent and a conquest ideology. Ex-Muslims can play a major role in educating the public.
gravenimage says
Terry, those who have regarded Islam as an evil religion have indeed been able to fight it before–they did so for many centuries.
Wellington says
Seconded.
Terry Gain says
Islam was defeated in Spain by armed conflict. So the two of you want armed conflict. Seriously?
gravenimage says
Preventing further Muslim immigration and deporting Muslims–starting with the worst Jihadists–is *not* “armed conflict”.
Wellington says
With respect, Terry, I think you’re putting the cart before the horse.
Terry Gain says
No, I’m proposing a possible solution which may defeat the enemy without firing a shot. Without a ban the choices will inevitable be armed conflict or surrender.
Wellington says
Actually, I wish your “possible solution” would become a reality but how are you going to convince people of it, especially judges and lawyers who wield so much power and who overwhelmingly remain willfully clueless of Islam. And per American constitutional law, at the very least entirely new interpretations of the First Amendment would have to occur in order to disallow Islam religious status and I don’t see any of that in the offing.
My approach is to acknowledge Islam is a religion and a protected belief system just as two other terrible belief systems are, Nazism and Marxism, but it MUST be viewed in the negative, as much as, for instance, the KKK is (and the KKK is legal but justifiably excoriated by the vast majority of Americans and this is what I would like to see happen to Islam). Were this to occur, a sea change would be initiated to say the least. Not there yet.
A_M_Swallow says
The US First Amendment bans a state religion. Muslims want to make Islam the state religion. There is a loop hole you can use against their unAmerican Activities.
Wellington says
A_M_Swallow: One can WANT all kinds of things that are not permitted by the First Amendment (e.g., death for apostasy which Islam demands) but wanting alone, not followed by action, is protected by the First Amendment. The KKK WANTS the separation of the races and this wanting is also protected by the First Amendment. But the KKK can’t act upon this. Belief v. action is the key. Besides, Muslim aplenty will just lie about wanting a state religion and foolish elites aplenty will believe them. Nope, your suggestion is simply not enough and for more than one reason.
A_M_Swallow says
Muslims are not just wanting to introduce a state religion but are taking action. They are setting up international organisations, recruiting warriors & camp followers, conspiring to kill people, gaining political power by damaging property and using foreign money to silence the press.
The un-American Activities laws need bring up to date.
thebigW says
“Muslims are not just wanting to introduce a state religion but are taking action. They are setting up international organisations, recruiting warriors & camp followers, conspiring to kill people, gaining political power by damaging property and using foreign money to silence the press.”
AM Swallow forgot to mention that Muslims are also ALREADY KILLING US NOW; and the ones that ain’t killing us are lying about it. This ain’t no KKK situation.
gravenimage says
Actually, the KKK used to kill people. A combination of societal pressure and better law enforcement put a stop to that. This is why the KKK is not a real threat today.
Or Else! says
“They have pockets in the desert; they’ve got people intermingling with the population, acting as civilians — just biding their time,” said Ali….
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Of course…just as he’ll be doing if he’s allowed back in Canada.
Indiana Tom says
No, he is just a poor misunderstood aspiring raper following the religion of pieces.
Indiana Tom says
“They have pockets in the desert; they’ve got people intermingling with the population, acting as civilians — just biding their time,” said Ali….
Not so sure I wanted to take away their little magic kingdom. Before they were out in the open and you could bomb the little bastards.
Terry Gain says
Wellington says
Feb 19, 2019 at 11:38 pm
Actually, I wish your “possible solution” would become a reality but how are you going to convince people of it, especially judges and lawyers who wield so much power and who overwhelmingly remain willfully clueless of Islam. And per American constitutional law, at the very least entirely new interpretations of the First Amendment would have to occur in order to disallow Islam religious status and I don’t see any of that in the offing.
My approach is to acknowledge Islam is a religion and a protected belief system just as two other terrible belief systems are, Nazism and Marxism, but it MUST be viewed in the negative, as much as, for instance, the KKK is (and the KKK is legal but justifiably excoriated by the vast majority of Americans and this is what I would like to see happen to Islam). Were this to occur, a sea change would be initiated to say the least. Not there yet.
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Your approach isn’t working. In fact there’s an idiot who lives in Rome who treats Islam as a religion on a par with Christianity, when the ideologies and their impact on humanity are polar opposites.
I assume, from the comments of Ex-Muslims that most Muslims aren’t very knowledgable about Muslim doctrine and history. So let’s encourage an examination of the ideology by stating the obvious, and utilizing the quote of the famous Islamophile to begin the discussion.
As stated by President Obama: ” No religion condones killing”. These are of course words to live by. So honest people must ask themselves, if an ideology not only condones killing, but commands killing, is it a religion? With adherents of the ideology of Islam engaged in killing for Allah across the globe on a daily basis, it’s past time for decent people, especially Muslims, to examine whether Islam is a religion or a political ideology, and if a political ideology, what kind and whether compatible with democratic ideals.
This question is vitally important to the future of mankind as Islam expands into The West.
Wellington says
My approach isn’t working, Terry, because most folks, especially the elites, still don’t see Islam negatively. First Step: Islam must be seen as a giant negative by a very large majority of people, including the elites—not there yet. To wax a little positive, it is a good thing that more people look upon Islam in the negative than ever before. I mean consider how many Americans and Canadians just twenty-five ago who did not have a negative view of Islam but do now. So, there’s some cause for optimism.
I’m all for exposing Islam by using Islamic texts to reveal what Islam is really all about. That’s what JW and other sites are at least partially for.
Terry Gain says
The majority do not see Islam accurately because too many people who should know better concede that it is a religion.
thebigW says
Terry, I get what you’re saying, but which would be easier to do, convincing people Islam ain’t a religion, or convincing people that a religion (like Islam) can be (and is) dangerous and evil? Six and 1/2 dozen of the other, seems to me.
A_M_Swallow says
Islam is not unique. There are plenty of evil Cults that kill people (including their own members).
Heaven’s Gate is just one of the better know ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group)
gravenimage says
I don’t see how pretending that religions cannot be evil would actually help us.
thebigW says
AM Swallow, that’s REE-diculous.
“A_M_Swallow says
Feb 20, 2019 at 4:19 pm
Islam is not unique. There are plenty of evil Cults that kill people (including their own members).”
Heaven’s Gate is just one of the better know ones.
Heaven’s Gate only killed themselves, and they were so tiny compared to Islam it ain’t funny. If you think that’s a comparison to Islam, I’d hate to employ you for some heavy machinery work that might put workers in danger.
A_M_Swallow says
Large things that work normally turn out to have been based on something smaller that worked. Islam started small.
gravenimage says
This is true–Islam itself started small.
But Heaven’s Gate, far from becoming a global threat to all of us. pretty much imploded in 1997 when 39 of its members committed suicide believing that an approaching comet was actually an alien spaceship.
They have not been heard from again in the intervening twenty-two years.
sig6bv says
People. people, people. But how un-Canadian you all are! You know that we must begin by saying: ‘Sorry’. We need to apologize to this poor soul for making him not feel at home in our great Dominion and forcing him to seek his authentic self elsewhere. Then we must do everything we can to bring him back and make him feel accepted and wanted. After all, diversity is our strength. Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!
Some of you have referred to the Criminal Code, but, as we have seen this past week in Ottawa, if one is Liberal, one does not have to worry about that code unless there is someone like our Judy who doesn’t want to play fast and loose with the rules.
One also reads that the federal government has already sent information packages to the Canadians off-shore in the Middle East, showing them how to apply for the passport. That’s diversity in action, folks!
Elizabeth Thorne says
“We need not rationalize Islam to them, need not appease their desires and distorted concepts.”
How about getting politicians and not elected Muslim politicians, in Canada to stand up, grow a spine, say “We need not rationalize Islam, need not appease their desires and distorted concepts. Shari’ah Law is not the law in Canada and NEVER will be. As for Ali, leave him there, hang the SOB.
Elizabeth Thorne says
Yes, Sig6bv, the Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen, the man from Mogadishu, announced 114 million going to that little program and we will not say anything for fear of being unCanadian, Islamophobes, race baiters. October seems so far away. NO LIBERAL STATUS is coming. Perhaps we can deport some traitors to their country of origin.
I nominate Christine Douglas Williams to chair the Deportation Committee
thebigW says
“Mohammed Ali should never be allowed back in. He joined an entity that is avowedly at war with Canada and has repeatedly called upon Muslims in Canada to murder Canadian civilians. ”
All Muslims are in an entity that is at war with all of us, mostly not “avowedly” because so many Muslims lie and try to confuse the issue, and most of us are half-assed willing to be confused about it.
UNCLE VLADDI says
If SNC Lavalin isn’t allowed to try to bribe Arab officials in an islamic country, because that particular cultural necessity over there remains prohibited by some domestic Canadian laws here, then someone who left Canada with the intent of committing MASS MURDER against innocent other people (against fellow muslims, even!) should also have Canada’s laws against attempted murder apply to them both there and back home here, too.