Hanif Qadir’s premise is that Muslims only turn to jihad because Infidels are unkind to them. If we turn in kindness to Muslims, all will be well. So if this unrepentant jihadi bride is let back into Britain, and raises more jihadis, all will be well, but if she is barred from the country, more Muslims in Britain will turn to jihad. Ultimately, resistance to jihad angers Muslims and thus creates more jihadis, so what Hanif Qadir is really counseling here is that Britain should simply surrender and adopt Sharia, and then all will be well.
“Let Shamima Begum return to UK or risk more terror recruits, says expert,” by Mark Townsend, Jamie Doward, Daniel Boffey and Nosheen Iqbal, Guardian, February 16, 2019 (thanks to Vikram):
The home secretary’s response to teenage Islamic State bride Shamima Begum will guarantee new recruits to the ideology that underpins the terror group, a former senior counter-radicalisation expert for the government has warned.
As the debate over whether to allow Begum, who left the UK to join Islamic State as a 15-year-old, to return home continued on Saturday, Hanif Qadir said Sajid Javid’s reaction to the teenager’s predicament fed the narrative of Isis.
On Friday Javid said he “would not hesitate” to prevent the return of UK Isis recruits, an approach at odds with Begum’s family in Bethnal Green, east London, who want the 19-year-old to return home “as a matter of urgency”.
Qadir, a senior expert with the government’s counter-extremism Prevent programme and whose cases included raising the alarm about a group of schoolgirls who planned to join Isis in Syria, said: “Javid is fuelling the [Isis] narrative and giving wind to the sails of other extremists. If we continue with this trajectory we’ll be sowing the narrative for them to reap and use against us.”
Qadir, whose charity Active Change Foundation was supported by police and worked with high-profile extremists until 2016, said the home secretary’s emphatic response would backfire. “If the government doesn’t change their approach to this, we potentially have a second wave of Isis coming, the connecting up and reloading of Isis, fence-sitters who are more sympathetic to another kind of narrative,” he said.
This point was backed by Baroness Sal Brinton, president of the Lib Dems, who described Begum’s radicalisation as a form of grooming. “We know that in that particular school three girls went [to join Islamic State], but probably more were approached. Surely our child protection laws have to kick in. As she returns we should look at what happens, as she was 15, and what happened out there.”…
Or Else! says
“Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”
That adage had to have originated with Islam’s critics.
mortimer says
Hanif Qadir’s premise is that giving in to Muslims’ ever whim will appease them and then … when they have everything they want … they will not need to use violent JIHAD to get it.
In other words, IF NON-VIOLENT JIHAD IS JUST AS EFFECTIVE (with less cost and effort), then MUSLIMS DO NOT NEED TO TURN TO MORE VIOLENT METHODS.
This is nothing but the NICE-COP-BAD-COP METHOD in which two ‘approaches’ from the same opposition try to trick information or compliance out of a victim.
You saw the movie in which the elegant Nazi officer says to the captured American pilot: “You can just give me the information I want now or unfortunately I will have to turn you over to Sgt. Klangnutzen … he uses different methods from mine.”
Or Else! says
it also means that “Dr. Jekyll Islam” has no control over “Mr. Hyde Islam”…..so don’t make Dr. Jekyll angry.
Actually….there IS no Jekyll….just different shades of Hyde.
mortimer says
Exactly … two different masks of the same OPPORTUNISTIC AMORALITY.
mortimer says
Islam is a mass form of BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER … a constant feeling of wounded entitlement and moral judgement of others, while having little or no moral control over one’s reactions to micro-aggressions, whether real or imagined.
Other borderline symptoms are: marked impulsivity, mood swings, low self-worth or exaggerated self-worth, interpersonal relationship problems, violent temper tantrums, self-harming, paranoid suspicions, ‘splitting’ people and ideas into ‘all good’ and ‘all bad’ spontaneously, delusions, sensitivity to criticism or rejection, need for assurance or validation, inner emptiness and suicidal behaviour.
Muslims exhibit these symptoms the more deeply they are involved in the Islamic primary source texts.
Jule Bacal says
Much of mental Ill-mental health is actually taught by a society or a group. Every Muslim country has the problem. (we have ours also but Nothing, in comparison. Modern capitalism with globalism for it to survive is one & it plays with people’s mental health….but nothing to the extent of Islam)
gravenimage says
True, Mortimer.
No Fear says
Well said Mortimer.
elee says
Applause for Mortimer’s Comments. Well said.
Lydia Church says
Those are their bullying tactics at work.
Don’t allow yourself to be bullied.
Do the right thing, whatever that is and what you would have done without the bullying.
That is the only way to defeat it.
Jule Bacal says
We have to look at Israel and how they have tried to defend themselves. They are truly in one of the worst positions. In USA I like the idea of enforcing our laws and monitoring Mosques, and any books used to teach people. If they go against us, they ought to be redacted/Mosques closed. Same with nazigroups, KKKLan, any Supremacist Private schools. They cannot Teach to Break our laws and say Allah says. It includes many traditions/beliefs of Islam. Many aspects just cannot be practised here IF WE ENFORCE OUR Basic/Core LAWS & Constitution.
Rufolino says
Someone tell me:
How can a Moslem be a “counter-radicalisation expert”, and still be a believing Moslem ?
Complete “taquiya”.
Jule Bacal says
It sounds nice but proven over and over not to work. Ask the Hawaiians if giving welcoming worked for them. And Islam is even worse. Samoans will not allow it since 2017. Japan will not have it take root.
The BASIS of Islam is to take over & any others who remain must be ruled by their law and way of life because Allah Said. This man is not in touch with reality. He is another who has not bothered to read their books or look at history. Maybe he could live under the servant/underclass way of life always trying to please to stay alive but most free people do not want a Master.
Janwaar Bibi says
Since Shamima Begum said she saw nothing wrong with what ISIS is doing, the Brits should sell her as a sex-slave to Saudis or Emiratis.
mortimer says
Shamima Begum evidently believes that it is a crime against humanity if MUSLIMS DO IT.
gravenimage says
We don’t act like Muslims.
Jaladhi says
What a hogwash!1 Muslims always wage jihad against non-Muslims, no matter what! Instead of being grateful for letting them in a non-Muslim country, this idiot is threatening that we will wage more jihad if this jihadi girl is not allowed back. Go figure a Muslim…
tim gallagher says
I agree, Jaladhi. Muslims will always be waging war against us. We need to keep them out. What this creep is saying seems to be straight out blackmail. If you non-Muslims don’t cave in and treat Muslims well (like letting this scumbag of an ISIS woman into the UK) then we’ll behave even worse than we already do is what he seems to be saying. And Muslims already behave appallingly.The only proper response is tell him to drop dead. As one of the commenters up above said, Muslims always seem to behave like bullies, always threatening, etc.
Terry Gain says
I am identifying as an expert on diet and sport. The best way not to get fat is to consume more calories. The best way to excel at a sport is not to practice.
Savvy Kafir says
What a shocker! It’s all our fault … again. If only we would be more kind to those poor ISIS folks.
gravenimage says
+1
Rufolino says
For Moslems it always is our fault, because we are “the worst of all created beings. “
jewdog says
The racists made them do it! The racists made them do it!
Fred Middleton says
British subjects have an inalienable right to be here (UK). So, if she gets back, then we have to take her in. However, there is no reason to bring back the traitor and every reason to seek a prosecution for terrorism if she does return. How would we have treated Britons who fought with the Nazis or the Japanese?
Adapter Mangos (@TamIMisledUs) says
British subjects have no such inalienable right.
That “right” could (subject to changes in the law) and should be taken away from her,
Other British subjects have a greater “inalienable” right to be free of the risk that this woman presents to them. That should and must take precedence.
Watto35 says
To Fred Middleton: We may feel there exists a right for this girl to be allowed back but she has also committed treason and as such should be arrested and if proved guilty should spend the rest of her miserable life in prison. After Brexit we will be able to change our laws to reflect a more realistic punishment for our laws. In WW2 we either shot or hanged several traitors who defended the Nazi ideology.
Westman says
Yes, they should wecome her home to live on the dole while she spits on them with love for ISIS. After all, this is what the wefare state is for – benefits without accountability.
What will this “patriotic” woman tell her child about its father? “Your daddy was a brave man who hated this @#$! country”???
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Shamima may have been a “silly young girl” — her words — when she left to join ISIS at the age of 15, but she’s now an adult, aged 19, and has had four years in the Isamic State to reconsider her original decision. She never did; she has said she has “no regrets” about her decision or about her life in the Islamic State. She wants to return to the U.K. not because she has had a change of heart, but only in order to receive Western medical care for the baby she is soon to deliver; her two other children died from disease in the Islamic State. She wants to benefit from the National Heath Service, supported by British taxpayers, to make sure her Muslim baby is healthy.
Savid Javid is of course correct; when this addle-pated creature went off to support the Islamic State and to marry one of its fighters, she became a traitor to the U.K. For the Islamic State is the mortal enemy of all Unbelievers, including those who make up the indigenous population of the U.K. Let it be broadcast hither and yon: if you join the Islamic State, or similar groups, you should not expect to ever be allowed to return home.
To those who insist that if she’s not allowed back in she’d be “stateless” and that would violate international law, one can only reply that national security trumps “international law,”which in any case has no mechanism for enforcing its principles.
Let her remain in Syria, or go to Saudi Arabia, or Yemen, or Iran, or any other Muslim paradise. There are so many to choose from.
FYI says
Somali is lovely. I hear they have a wonderful islamic paradise suited to the likes of Begum ..surely Somalia is crying out for more islamic immigration..and allah’s great bounty always provides for the “best community of people” does he not?surely Somalia is a beacon and shining examle of how allah looks after his devout muslims in his islamic kingdoms.
In fact,it is surprising Ilhan Omar left such a fabulous tropical paradise….
Apart from the pirates,islamic rapists,open sewers,FGM,slavery,cities in ruins..it seems like an ideal location for jihadists.
Tolerance,freedom,security,economic development,welfare support,medical facilities, a roast in every pot :Ok,there are none of those infidel things in Somalia ..so it should make ex-jihadists feel right at home.Inshllah as they say.
andrew mckendrick says
Somali has moved to Minnesota.
gravenimage says
Fine post, Hugh.
Paul says
There’s a very simply answer to the “She’ll be stateless” claim.
“No she won’t. She joined the Islamic State” – End of argument.
PABLO says
This guy is a fraud. To extinguish undesirable behaviour you have punish the individual(s) engaged in said behaviour, not reward them.
Martin says
video – Sky Pravda – Shamima Begum: I didn’t do anything dangerous
Sky News has spoken to Shamima Begum, the British schoolgirl who left the UK to join Islamic State when she was 15.
Now aged 19, she has just given birth to a baby boy and she wants to return to the UK.
She says she knew about IS executions before she left for Syria, and thinks that people should have sympathy ‘for everything [she has] been through’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWcJHxmXD1Q
No Fear says
“I didn’t do anything dangerous”….neither did the young boys of the Banu Qurayza tribe who were beheaded by Mohammed and his henchmen.
ploome says
We all know muslims will say anything….the catastrophe is that Europe and USA will accept all the chit they throw at us
Michael Copeland says
The “former senior counter-radicalisation expert for the government” omits to mention that this troublesome “ideology that underpins the terror group” is identical with ordinary basic Koran-faithful Islam.
It is not possible to distinguish the two.
Renate says
They always have some excuse, don’t they?
Janwaar Bibi says
In China, they have put all their Muslims into concentration camps. Myanmar has kicked out all of its Muslims. There isn’t one little squeak from Muslims about these actions. But if the UK does not allow jihadis to return after they are done head-chopping and raping, they are threatened with more terrorism!
The conclusion is obvious – Muslims are either at your throat or at your feet. The choice is yours.
WildWelshWoman says
Codswallop! Islam needs no excuse for carrying out terror attacks because it’s mandated for Muslims to do so. It’s their ‘religious duty.’
Adapter Mangos (@TamIMisledUs) says
*Let Shamima Begum return to UK AND risk more terror recruits*
Now that’s fixed it.
Steven says
Spot on….couldn’t agree with you more
Adapter Mangos (@TamIMisledUs) says
Quite
You can imagine the scene:
“Let’s go and wage jihad on the UK!”
“Oh no, we mustn’t. They took Shamima back to the UK.”
But imagination is all that it is!
elee says
If she wants to spawn bastard jihadis, let the fathers support them. Or the imams, I don’t care. Send her to some Muslim paradise like Mogadishu or Karachi if her Califate gets too cramped for her brood.
R Russell says
Theresa May will capitulate to Islam. She always does.
The trouble is, the alternative Jeremy Corbyn, is just as bad.
Lord Jesus help us.
gravenimage says
Actually, as bad as Theresa May is, jeremy Corbyn is actually *much* worse.
Adapter Mangos (@TamIMisledUs) says
My thoughts exactly.
ntesdorf says
Hanif Qadir willfully ignores the real causes of Jihad in the hope that the general population will continue to be ignorant of what the Qur’an, Haddith and Sunna of Mohammed prescribe. In the same way, people are continually amazed that no progress can ever be made on peace in the Middle East, no matter what concessions are offered to the Muslims..
Sam says
UK: Muslim “counter-radicalisation expert” says ISIS bride must be let back in or more Muslims will turn to jihad
That was the reason for Jihad for 1400 years and nobody knew it. This guy is a genius. He found the reason for Jihad. Our job is easy now. Invite all muslims to Europe and America, no one will turn to Jihad. Problem solved.
This guy is an “expert”?
A_M_Swallow says
Shamima Begum and her sisters did not leave Britain without help. Punish her father, any brothers and the Imam involved.
Shamima Begum helped Britain’s war time enemies ” giving to them aid and comfort in the realm, or elsewhere”. The crime of Treason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_Kingdom
gravenimage says
UK: Muslim “counter-radicalisation expert” says ISIS bride must be let back in or more Muslims will turn to jihad
…………………..
How many times have we heard *this*–that if the ‘filthy Infidels’ do anything to protect against Jihad, that it will just cause more Jihad?
Hanif Qadir is a former Al Qaeda Jihadist. He has just turned to stealth Jihad now that he is getting along in years. The British are fools if they swallow this Taqiyya.
STJOHNOFGRAFTON says
He must take her on as one of his wives.
Taylor says
Unless we give the UK to ISIS we wil just cause more muslims to join the jihad.
IanB says
“Counter-radicalisation” and “de-radicalisation” can never work, like trying to tame rattle snakes.
Steven says
BULLCRAP!!!! more jihad in UK?…probably after Hanif Qadir who would became angry and inciting the muslims into jihad. So called islam, the relIgion of peace? (scoff).
Anne Smith says
No hope for Britain while this silly woman is the Prime Minister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQslqJZ4qQ
sidney penny says
“Qadir, a senior expert with the government’s counter-extremism Prevent programme ”
In the same league as Anne Aly in Australia( now a Muslim PM in Federal Parliament)
sidney penny says
I did not hear or read Hanif Qadir saying that Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller should be allowed to visit Britain?
gravenimage says
Good point, Sidney.
John says
What. a Pig , first he calls himself that he is deradicalisation expert . He is just an idiot who lie to everybody, he have never went fight anywhere, he was a black cab driver with mechanical garage. You people need to do some research and ask community around of what he actually done . Now he threatens if Begum would not be allowed back then more Muslims would become terrorising. I have a solution, send this Qadir Clown back to Where he came from with the rest of terrorists and let him deal with it over there. Not here in the UK , waste of space,money and time.