On January 21, 2019, I had the honor of speaking at the Christian Rights and Freedom Institute at St. Katherine Greek Orthodox Church in Naples, Florida, on the Muslim persecution of Christians. I explained why those Muslims who do persecute Christians actually think that when they do so, they’re doing something right and righteous.
Jean Terry says
I have to wonder what the new Muslim women in Congress believe.
jule says
They believe what the Qur’an/hadiths teach which is that Jews were cursed for not following the religion so Abraham & his sites were officially given to the rule of Islam. ALLAH said Islam is the one and only true religion of Abraham (and Adam, Noah, Jesus) and Jews and Christians have strayed. It says Allah wants Muslims, sets it as their duty, to bring the world all either to convert to Islam or to live under its rule.And under its rule, if you don’t want to convert you have to pay a special tax & still follow every Muslim law and lifestyle. They started in Mecca/Medina-conquered Persia, India (Pakistan used to be India and they want much more) they conquered Egypt, conquered Iraq & Assyria up to what we now call Turkey and Phoenicia, Africa, They took Israel for awhile but almost every country has conquered and lost Israel several times. They went into China and Russia (Chechnya plus settlements) Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand Burma, Indonesia and They believe Allah WANTS it and will punish people who do not try in some way (not always violent at all but Some way…political is especially powerful). And they have been at this since 600AD and do not care how many thousands of years it takes..Allah waits. The punishment for even Muslims not BELIEVING the book/Hadiths/Imams can be whipping, prison or death by honor killings or public beheading, hangings. They Must believe and have been told this since babyhood. Some Afghanistan tribes still do crucifiction and stoning. For GENERATIONS. I’m not making this up and you can google it. Its amazing that tribes like this still exist and not just under Islam but in the Amazon, and islands with cannibalism even. would we beg them all to come to America when they want to keep their own customs? Today Islam is working on Canada, Australia, US and figure Europe, Denmark, Scandinavia are pretty much done deals.
One problem is we are not taught history. We are not even taught that in the 700Ad times, the Caliph of Islam made all the Jews (and there were many) in Iraq wear a yellow cloth or star on the the back and front so people would know they paid the taxes for protection. If not, they could be taken slave or killed under the law. This was WAY before Hitler who Muslim countries fought with in the WWs(Saudi only fought with France/Brits to get half of the mandate from the Ottoman and they walked away with far more than half, which people are just not told today.WHY? Yes, Arabs took way more than half of the Levant who the Romans called all Levant after the GREEK name for Yisrael, which was Palaistine. In Greek it means ‘followers of the one who wrestled/struggled with the old power (el). In Hebrew, Yisra means struggle/wrestle and after Jacob supposedly wrestled the old power called El, he was called Yisra el and he had 12 sons who established Yisrael (Israel-English, Yisrael-Hebrew, Palaistine-Greek, Palaestina-Latin. To Greeks, Palaistine meant followers of Jacob. Today no one knows Greek but back then all countries could at least read it. The Septuagint (old Testament) was translated from Hebrew into Greek. Rome read Greek. But To Rome it lost the meaning and became ALL the Roman conquered region. People today act like they have been taught absolutely NOTHING but propaganda for certain groups.
Jim Fulton says
Islam is a cult that allows perversion, rape, murder, it should had been destroyed 1500 years ago.
Jaladhi says
Muslims persecute every non-Muslim. Period. Its not just Christians who have been and are being persecuted over the centuries. Go to India to find out how Muslims committed genocide of Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs and others killing more than 80 million of them! Islam is a killing/murder cult that is ready to kill, Hindus, Jews, Christians.. alike.
christianblood says
Jaladhi
Well-said, Muslim persecutors are now getting a hand of support from the US and Western leftist traitors who are themselves anti-Christ to the core! Hats off to Robert Spencer and few others like him who are dedicated themselves to continuously shed light on the dangers of Islamism in the Western world and beyond!
gravenimage says
Unlike christianblood, Robert Spencer does *not* want to see the West conquered by Muslims.
christianblood says
gravenimage
As a result of Western weakness, political-correctness, spiritual-bankruptcy and moral relativism, Western civilization will indeed collapse and muslims will eventually take over and any clear thinking person can see that! Go to mark 1:11:44 of Robert Spencer’s lecture where he rightly predicts that after they gain some extra power and political clout muslims won’t be preaching tolerance anymore and in my humble estimation, that will happen just right before the predicted take over!
Just watch, Graven!
gravenimage says
Yes, we all know that christianblood is slavering over the thought of Muslims conquering the West. Just disgusting.
The European says
Unfortunately, christianblood is not very credible when he citicizes Islam. His point of view is predicated upon pro-Russian propaganda and anti-zionism. If he speaks critically about Islam, he only refers to the US and other Western countries, but he avoids deliberately to be critical of Vladimir Poutine and his politics on Islam. Note also that he is a staunch defender of the Palestinians and their cause, slanderously excoriating the zionists and the Jewish state. Conclusion; Christianblood is critical of Islam only when it suits him, and it suits him when criticism of Islam allows him to engage in bashing the US and its allies.
jule says
Shia Islam tells Russia they will let them have Constantinople back for the Orthodox Christians after Turkey is wiped out. Shia says Russia is part of the Prophecy for the future. They use each other for own purposes like US/EU uses Sunni. Germany will make contracts with either/both
christianblood says
The European & Wellington
Please understand this: In the global scheme of things Russia cannot be compared to the US, the EU, and Nato. Russia is NOT the USSR and it has no ideological drive that the USSR had or the neo liberal imperialist agenda of the US, EU and Nato allies currently have! Russia’s economy is little bigger than that of Spain and yes Russia has a powerful military but Russia cannot be compared to the movers and the shakers of the current liberal global politics and these are the US, the EU and Nato allies so your constant argument of what about Russia that you keep repeating is indeed very irrelevant to the matter at hand!
Okay, having said that, I have absolutely NO problem of criticizing Russia if like the US, EU and Nato Russia has backed, armed, funded and trained islamic jihadists for decades in Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Bosnia, Kosovo, Yemen, Syria and even bombed Christian Serbs in support of muslim jihadists in the Balkans!
Furthermore, I would criticize Russia if Russia rejected Christianity and replaced it with fanatical secular liberalist worldview that promotes a culture of death, immorality, corruption and fanatical homosexual agenda, Islamism and political-correctness and exports all those satanical hollywoodized values to all over the world in the guise of ‘democracy & human rights’. Don’t you all realize what the US and West are doing around the globe?
I know as secularized agnostics some of you don’t understand those moral issues that I am talking about and indeed they are nothing to you (1 Corinthians 2:14) but as a Christian I cannot ignore the fact that the US and the West are fanatically practicing and promoting very, very, very dangerous postmodernist, moral relativist, pro-Islamist values and therefore my criticism against the US and the West is justified 100% and those same criticisms are NOT applicable to Russia in any way shape or form! As we speak, Russia is itself is surrounded, encircled by the US, EU and Nato forces that are constantly moving towards its Western borders, its economy is sanctioned to death and its leaders and government are constantly demonized by the incessant propaganda media of the Western liberal imperialist establishment! To be honest, I cannot understand why you can’t see all those facts I pointed here and much, much more that I didn’t! You need to change and to turn away from watching US and Western MSM which is nothing but propaganda for the neo liberal imperialist world-order and seek some other alternative media to understand the current world affairs! As Saint Paul pointed out two thousand years ago:
(…Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms…) Eph 6:12
gravenimage says
Jule wrote:
Shia Islam tells Russia they will let them have Constantinople back for the Orthodox Christians after Turkey is wiped out.
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Yes, I’ve seen this, as well. There is a Shia Muslim “Sheikh” who claims that real Muslims (i.e., Shi’ites) never conquered Anatolia, but when they do they will give Hagia Sofia back to Orthodox Christians–all Orthodox Christians need to do is ally with Muslims to destroy the West. I hope christianblood is not holding his breath…
christianblood says
Shia muslims which is a minority itself and is itself under-siege from the Sunni majority and its US, Israeli and Western allies and they never threaten Christians or any other minority religious group in ME. In fact, unlike the satanic, pro-Islamist, pro-jihadist and anti-Christ U$n Saudi Arabia and the West, Shia muslims protect Christian minorities in Syria from the US-backed jihadists! Watch the photos of them doing just that on the link below:
https://thesaker.is/a-very-telling-picture-of-a-hezbollah-fighter/
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
Shia muslims which is a minority itself and is itself under-siege from the Sunni majority and its US, Israeli and Western allies and they never threaten Christians or any other minority religious group in ME.
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Of course Shia Muslims are targeted by Sunnis–and vice versa. Muslim-on-Muslim violence is rife.
As for the idea that Shia Muslims never threaten religious minorities, this is obviously untrue. Iran and Hezb’allah regularly target Israel–but then, christianblood has actually applauded their doing so. *Ugh*.
And christianblood has said many times that it is actually Americans and Jews who wage violent Jihad–obviously absurd.
Yet more:
In fact, unlike the satanic, pro-Islamist, pro-jihadist and anti-Christ U$n Saudi Arabia and the West, Shia muslims protect Christian minorities in Syria from the US-backed jihadists! Watch the photos of them doing just that on the link below:
https://thesaker.is/a-very-telling-picture-of-a-hezbollah-fighter/
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chirstianblood keeps posting this.
Of course, he won’t tell you that the “Jesus” that Muslims worship is *nothing* like the Jesus of the Gospels. His main purpose, in fact, is to *kill Christians* in the last days.
He has said before that Hezb’allah’s purpose is to “protect Christians”–by which he means, of course, that they have largely taken over Lebanon, which used to be Christian-majority, but is now largely a platform for attacking Israel–which he approves of.
Actually, the main purpose of Hezb’allah–right in their charter–is to kill Jews and destroy democratic Israel.
And–as I have noted previously–this site christianblood has linked to–The Saker–is one that features Muslims demanding that Orthodox Christians ally with them to destroy the West. In return, these Muslims claim that they “respect” Orthodox Christians and will go easy on them when Muslims take over:
“The Kuranic foundations of the need for an alliance between Islam and Orthodoxy”
https://thesaker.is/the-kuranic-foundations-of-the-need-for-an-alliance-between-islam-and-orthodoxy/
*Very* disturbing stuff.
Keys says
Christianblood –
What percent, in your estimation, of US citizens are “anti-Christ to the core!” ?
How does that compare to the percentage of anti-Christ Russians in your estimation ?
How did you determine that ?
christianblood says
Keys
I am not talking about ordinary citizens in either country because ordinary citizens are very nearly irrelevant and inconsequential to the matter at hand. This is my point: The Elites that are currently running the Western world, including the US and the EU are Anti-Christ,
Pro-Islam and pro-LGBTQ to the core! Please watch the drivers of Western pop culture, the Hollywood elites, giving an Oscar to Al-Qaeda “White Helmets” and the same thing goes on in almost every social, cultural, media, political and religious establishment entity in the Western
world and they all share one other thing and that is hatred and demonization of Russia!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_MZKRG3frQ
gravenimage says
Many naively consider the “White Helmets” to a humanitarian group. christianblood’s constant claims that Hollywood and everyone else in the West is “Anti-Christ” and pro-Jihad is absurd.
eduardo odraude says
Jaladhi,
That’s right. And Robert Spencer referred in the excellent video to the worldwide war of Islam against many different religions.
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
Agree with Eduardo: this is one of Robert Spencer’s best speeches every and it should be heard by the skeptics who are still supporting the quiet jihad of Muslims to destroy freedom of expression.
Terry Gain says
Muslims do because they can. And they are aided and abetted by cowardly traitors.
christianblood says
Terry Gain
+1
Wellington says
Muslims, christianblood, have been aided and abetted by a man named Putin and one knows this or should know it. But you are in denial about this and this is obvious to many who post here at JW regularly.
What is also obvious is that your hatred of the West is off the charts and your adulation of Putin and all things Russian is the stuff of propaganda and not truth. The fact that you have never said one thing positive about the West and never one thing negative about Putin and Russia is indicative of a rank bias so blatant that it serves as a caricature of rank bias—no easy task but you have managed it.
gravenimage says
Good post, Wellington.
christianblood says
Massive Christian Revolution In Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAyzbxDMxc
jule says
There are problems with what USA has been doing with globalism but it is no more than any others…France, Germany, Iran, China, Russia….everyone is so worried the other will get more power. But its ALWAYS the same that people want to say its everyone elses fault. It isn’t. Its all of ours but the way we react is so very important. Jihad, assassinations, chem war, prisons, torture, dictators, Allah says, ….on that scale, USA is not highest and lets keep it that way.
gravenimage says
According to its own last census, Russia is 47% Christian. This rate is lower than the US at 83% Christian, and even lower than rates in Western Europe.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Resorting to your propaganda sources concerning Russian Christianity? Watch the video clip about Russian Christianity above. It is being reported by an American! Tens of millions are baptized as Christians in the last 25 years alone and Ten Thousand New Churches built!
The biggest and longest walking Christian pilgrimage in the world is taking place in Russia every year! Please watch the simplicity of these people’s faith on the link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aDFtugjlKc
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
Resorting to your propaganda sources concerning Russian Christianity?
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How is the Russian census a “propaganda source”? Why would Russia lie about the number of its citizens identifying as Christians? I don’t think that they would.
More:
Watch the video clip about Russian Christianity above. It is being reported by an American!
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I’ve seen this video–it is one of a handful that christianblood regularly spams here.
I have never doubted the veracity of this video–why would I? The Velikoretsky Way pilgrimage is quite famous. But a single Russian pilgrimage says little about the state of Christianity in Russia in general. I am just glad that there is more freedom of religion in Russia now than there was under the Soviet Union. Of course, christianblood has denied that Christians were ever persecuted under the Communists.
More:
Tens of millions are baptized as Christians in the last 25 years alone and Ten Thousand New Churches built!
The biggest and longest walking Christian pilgrimage in the world is taking place in Russia every year! Please watch the simplicity of these people’s faith on the link below:
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Actually, there are longer pilgrimage routes in Europe, the Levant, and even in Japan. But there is no doubt that the Velikoretsky Way pilgrimage in honor of St. Nicholas is very impressive.
And yes–more churches *have* been able to open or reopen since the fall of the Soviet Union–which rather contradicts christianblood’s assertion that the Soviet Union was a bastion of Christian values…
christianblood says
gravenimage
Russia will NEVER be ruled by the Anti-Christ Hollywood and its jihadist-leftist allies! Holy Russia will forever Shine the Light of Christ on the satanic, homosexualized, anti-Christ and pro-Islamist West!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFLv4zAeXaE
gravenimage says
Note that christianblood can’t address anything I said–and ridiculously claims that Hollywood “rules” us.
All he can come back to is claiming that anything that happens in Russia is magically different–that Jihad and Shari’ah there are just fine.
He has even claimed that Russia under the Soviet Union was a beacon of Christianity–despite the fact that Christians were severely persecuted under Communism.
Jule Bacal says
I see that you confused the Lebanese Army with Hezbollah. Lebanon was supposed to be Maronite Christian, and can only have a Christian President but if you look at the history, you see how Islam has moved in to take over. At first it was Sunni doing masacres and Shia began helping the Christians because they hate Sunni. They tolerate the Maronit IF the Christians are more or less ruled by them against Sunni & whoever Shia want to fight. It is true that Shia, in other countries, are very very slightly more tolerant of Christian or minorities like Druze but only if they let Shia be Boss. Hezbollah work with the Lebanese army…especially against Sunni/al Qaeda/ISIL in Syria. This has caused Shia to become more dominate than Sunni in Lebanon but still. it is no longer a Maronite run country like it was supposed to be. Some propaganda is that the trica..Sunni/Maronite/Shia is some great model of living together but one inside look shows this is grossly untrue. Shia is just as Muslim as Sunni and not FRIENDS with Christian or any other religion. Look closer. And the reason why Shia want Israel destroyed is the same Qur’anic BS as Sunni..Supremacy. Total Rulership… And Jihad for it but they have learned to be sneakier. I think Russia has more Sunni at this time, but pretending Iran/Shia is an ‘ally’ is as stupid as US pretending Sunni can be ally. But I really do not think Putin is that stupid and knows not to ever let Shia get the upper hand. Still…using Islam will always backfire on both US and Russia.
thebigW says
Good post Julie
christianblood says
Jule Bacal
You made some fair points! First, no doubt Shiites are much, much, much more tolerant than Sunnis when it comes to minorities. That is a fact! For instance, as a minority Shiites are severely persecuted by the Sunni majority and treated as infidels! There was a fatwa issued in Saudi Arabia calling not only the Shiites but also anyone recognizing them as muslims as an “infidel”! That is why you will never see Shiites beheading minorities on video, blowing up Christian churches, mass-shooting civilians in cafes and restaurants, using vehicles and running over infidels, flying planes into buildings etc, etc but you see Sunnis doing all those things basically on every single day!
For instance, according to (thereligionofpeace.com)
close to 35000 jihad attacks have been carried out since 9/11 and all of them were perpetrated by Sunnis muslims, in fact, not even a single one of them were carried out by Shiites! Not one!
Secondly, I agree with you that Shiites, the Druze and the Christians are allies against the Sunnis and I add the fact that the Sunnis are allied and are close to Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, Al-Qaeda, the US and Israel and even to ISIS! If the Sunnis have their way, Saudis, Israelis, the US, ISIS and Al-Qaeda will take over Lebanon and like Syria, Yemen and Iraq Shiites, Christians and the Druze will be massacred and annihilated and mass-murdered by the Sunni jihadisst and their allies! No clear-thinking moral human being wish that to happen to those minorities and they are absolutely right to RESIST this evil alliance and do whatever it takes to prevent them from taking over Lebanon!
Thirdly, Hezbollah protects Christians in Lebanon and Syria from the US, Nato, Saudi and Israeli-backed jihadist mass-murderers! Please click on the link below and see Hezbollah fighters just doing that! You will NEVER, ever see the US, Nato, Israel and Saudi Arabia protecting Christians, they all want Christians and other minorities dead and buried to advance their selfish geopolitical ambitions!
Fourthly, Russia has normal diplomatic relations with Iran as it does with all the other countries in the region, including Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Russia has independent policies and won’t follow aggressive and unjust US and Nato imperialistic policies. Russia has NO military basis in Iran while the pro-ISIS, imperialist US has military basis literally in every middle eastern country, except Iran! Watch the photos below of Hezbollah protecting Christian shrines from the US-backed jihadists in Syria:
https://02varvara.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/telling-pictures-of-hezbollah-soldiers/
Patrick Kelley says
Mosques in America are radicalization centers, cementing all verses of the Qur’an, bad mouthing the U.S. for subduing them for living in America. America needs to be destroyed from within, out birth them, don’t assimilate, lie, deceive, subvert, don’t befriend American non-Muslims, kill them where you find them.
christianblood says
Patrick Kelley
You are right and those mosques are financed, imamed and supported by no other than Saudi Arabia, the global sourcer of the islamic jihadist ideology and the perpetrator of the 9/11 attacks and yet US leaders are still funding, arming and literally dancing with their tyrannical jihadist leaders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f35TUFmCtYY
jule says
Russia with Iran…their Islam is the same in reality as Sunni or Wahhabi, same goals, same techniques and Iran behind the scenes with alQaeda, Qatar, Hamas, Hezbollah in South America and growing like rabbits. Saudi too but Islam is Islam wherever and its Supremacist like Hitler and worse. Russia is in the same trap as US/EU. Thats why I wanted us to find some partnership with Russia. We are more alike than different. We made one of the biggest mistakes of the century with what we started in Ukraine. But do not thin Russia is any better. Its just that Islam is so much worse… Impossibly insane. The way things are now its time for each country to go back to its own and STAY there..only trading with each other. No country should be alowed to mess with any other….and it is not just Us by far. Thats just Media talk. There is more going on.
gravenimage says
christianblood has pretended before that Mosques outside the West are perfectly peaceful, and this this is what makes it fine for Putin to open mega-Mosques in Russia.
But, of course, the Islam taught in Mosques is ugly everywhere, because Islam does not change.
“Russia is a new front for militant Islam”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russias/2015/11/13/3f456156-887c-11e5-9a07-453018f9a0ec_story.html?utm_term=.36ed95ca139d
christianblood says
gravenimage
Russia is NOT Sweden or Godless, materialistic America!
Christ rules Russia!
gravenimage says
Note that christianblood never says why Muslims preaching Jihad in Russia is magically a good thing.
Personally, I don’t want to see *anyone* fall victim to Jihad terror, nor to see anyone have to live under brutal Shari’ah law.
That chirstianblood considers this “godly” is deeply disturbing.
thebigW says
Yeah, something’s up with this “christianblood” feller, he’s got a weird mix of beliefs, and most of them are dead wrong.
islamic text says
Please Google
Cannibalism in Islam Grill and Eat Apostates Al Azhar University Egypt
PIN
Christian Prince is doing the commentry and presenting proof mohd and his companions were real criminals
why Mohammed attcked Arab tribes and Yahudis for not accepting Islam. For what reason he fought 85 battles. (Ghazwa and Sariya)
FYI says
Christian Prince is awesome:he speaks Arabic and he knows all the holes in islamic
teachings having officially studied the subject.
One thing the Dawa people can’t cope with is somebody who knows how to deal with them when they start bluffing in Arabic or babbling on about the koran:an ex-muslim atheist or an ex-muslim now Christian too isn’t going to be fooled by that silly game they play of the type..
“Ah but you infidels don’t know Arabic:Turhibunna doesn’t mean “terrorize them” it means “shower the infidels with Love”.haha,You see if you infidels only understood Arabic..”
…a dawa trick that WON’T WORK with ex-muslims or the likes of the Christian Prince.
The Dawa people try to lure Christians in using a number of tricks:-
1)allah is the same as the Christian God
let’s see..
allah CURSES Christians simply for believing in Jesus k9:30
allah completely misunderstands the Theology of the Trinity{thinking Christians are Polytheists who think God is divided into parts and has companions and LUDICROUSLY..mary is part of the Trinity:Christians don’t believe that} k4:171
allah does not know what God’s Holy Spirit is{revealed in the Gospel that allah claims he wrote k3:3}So allah doesn’t know the source of prophecy{2 Peter 1 v 20-21}
“say not “three” it is better for you” says allah desperately in k4:171:but that means allah doesn’t believe in God’s Spirit of Wisdom
allah claims he gave the Gospel to Jesus k5:46-47
{logically impossible:the Gospel didn’t exist in the lifetime of Jesus}
allah denies Jesus was even crucified k4:157 DENYING the Gospel which in k5:46 he claims he wrote.
allah COMPLETELY MISSED the 2 chief commandments,teaching the opposite to the 2nd in koran 5 v 51 resulting in no “love thy neighbor”.no Golden Rule,the doctrine of hatred for infidels al walaa wal baraa
2 Jesus is a prophet of islam
This comes from k19:29-30 Maryam
“He spake! Lo!I am the slave of allah.He hath given me the scripture and hath appointed me a prophet”
Said
A TALKING INFANT IN A CRIB WHO CAN SPEAK LIKE AN ADULT,HAS A COPY OF THE GOSPEL AND KNOWS WHAT A PROPHET IS.BABIES DON’T SPEAK:NOT EVEN BABY JESUS.
REMEMBER THAT when the dawa people say “Jesus is a prophet of allah”.
It comes from a TALKING INFANT IN A CRIB.
{Jesus in the koran is of course an arabic-speaking muslim:definitely not a Jew as allah hates Jews k2:65}
3 Infidels don’t know Arabic so they cannot comment or possibly understand the koran
Let’s see..there are Arabic speaking Christians,Ex-muslim Atheists,ex-muslims now Christians,non muslim Scholars{a cousin of mine works as a translator for an embassy in Soddy Araby,my uncle collected islamic calligraphy…},former converts to islam who studied the language well,the internet..
The language trick won’t work.
gravenimage says
This sounds nuts–and it is–but Al Azhar actually *has* said that Muslims can eat Infidels.
jule says
I see the Qur’an as only a Warlord Manual for conquest and control for an empire. It seems to have worked. Mainly it works because all who criticize or do not Believe are killed/punished publically or locked away in prisons.
(I had never heard of Christian Prince except the old 1500 Erasmus times author.)
mortimer says
The motivation of Muslims to HATE and PERSECUTE Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims is their ESSENTIAL DOCTRINE called “AL WALAA WAL BARAA”. That doctrine is REQUIRED OF ALL MUSLIMS who must believe and PRACTICE it or they will be excluded from Islamic porno-paradise.
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
Globalist leftism has GANGED up against Christianity with the help of political Islam. Christian Europe and the Christian West is now seen as the target to be destroyed by the Leftist Globalists led by the international billionaire club hoping to cancel our freedoms and human rights.
jule says
It has to be said that came because most who say they are Christian do not ACT like it, Quite the opposite and then nothing they say is believed. And it seems like many have never read the New Testament but still go into the old for many excuses they use to act Unkindly. There are a few real Christians who do strive to Act like it, but its hard because our country is not set up to live Christian (and I do not mean churches). The dycoteme drives the left crazy. Yet none would say Jesus is not a Much Much better model than Mohammed (if they were even interested or had the time to ponder the subject.)
eduardo odraude says
Great to see Robert Spencer in the context of his own religious faith.
I saw several things in this video I had never seen before from Robert:
1. He points out that although Moses and the Exodus are mentioned many times in the Qur’an, the Ten Commandments are nowhere mentioned in the Qur’an, because there are no moral absolutes according to the Islamic texts — basically the core texts teach that you can do just about anything, provided it furthers Islam.
2. Robert’s voice was different. A number of times at the end of his sentences his voice went into a low, resonant, rather impressive register that I had never heard from him previously. I’d encourage him to do in future talks what he did very naturally in this one, namely now and then let his sentences at the end drop into that low register. I don’t think he was even conscious of doing it, but it was very noticeable and created an impression of physical and spiritual power.
3. I don’t recall ever hearing Robert Spencer before refer to Jesus as “Our Lord” and “the Lord”.
4. I had never before heard Robert Spencer mention that he had a son or a daughter.
5. I don’t recall Robert Spencer ever referring to his emotions quite so directly — in this video at one moment he says, if I am remembering right, that he would not go to Turkey because it would be too emotional for him (and he would get arrested.)
What was familiar about this video: Spencer was a total master of his material. This video in particular was a virtuoso display of his knowledge, chapter and verse, of the Qur’an and just about all things else Islamic.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear, Eduardo.
kfr says
There is no Satan But God is true. But few group believes “There is no God But Stan” which is a wrong concept.
na says
There is no Satan But God is true. But few group believes “There is no God But Stan” which is a wrong concept.
gravenimage says
Who is this Stan? 🙂
Fred says
Sorry to keep beating that dead horse but why do Christian prayers go unfulfilled. Why doesn’t Robert bring the obvious impotence of his God and Savior into the discussion? Why does this ergregious persecution, abuse, torture, rape, and mass murder keep happening to devout, prayerful Christians at the hands of these evil Muslims for generations upon generations? If this was a rivalry in any sport it would be Muslims 250 Christians 0…. that should be pondered long and hard by the Bible thumping folks here but like everything else uncomfortable, or a source of cognitive dissonance in the ‘Faith’ it is passed over or deflected.
na says
Religion makes people naive
fred says
Yes… extremely naive and quite blind when it comes to their OWN religion, but oh how their critical thinking faculties perk up when dismantling and proving false other religions. https://www.amazon.com/Outsider-Test-Faith-Which-Religion/dp/1616147377#reader_1616147377
Terry Gain says
Fred
Your use of the phrase bible thumpers to describe Christians is intolerant and demonstrates that you are not a person of good faith. So what is the point of attempting to answer your questions?
fred says
Ok Terry… here’s a thought experiment… pretend i didn’t use that phrase. Now answer my sincere question. thank you.
gravenimage says
Humans have free will.
eduardo odraude says
Fred, gravenimage has in a way given you the most concise and complete answer one could ask for. Religion does not mean that God controls everything. Well, in Islam it does mean that. But in other religions it does not mean that. Since human free will exists, God leaves many outcomes to humans. So the fact that Christians have not done as well as one might wish against Muslims proves nothing against Christianity.
Besides, even if all religions are a pure tissue of fantasy, one can see that some religious paradigms lead to social outcomes that are far more benign than the social outcomes that come from the Islamic paradigm. There are so many examples of such paradigm differences between the Judeo-Christian tradition on the one hand, and the Islamic paradigm on the other. Even atheists should take careful note of such differences.
For example, the central figure in the New Testament is depicted saying to “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s,” and also, “my kingdom is not of this world,” and those statements and many others led Christians from the very beginning, admittedly in a confused and unclear way, to see society as having two distinct domains, that of the state and that of the Church. During the course of history, kings sometimes dominated popes, and popes sometimes dominated kings, but there was always at least a latent sense in the Christian world that there had to be two distinct realms. That separation of powers meant that European societies had space to change and evolve and develop and discover new things and science, and that relative openness (Galileo’s repression was more an exception than the rule) eventually led to the 18th century Enlightenment, and the sense of two distinct domains was formalized in the First Amendment of the US Constitution.
By contrast, Muhammad, the prime exemplar for Muslims, became Caesar, or at any rate became the ruler of an expansionist totalitarian theocratic state. Thus Muslims, unless they have no choice, do not permit a distinction between religion and state, because the prime exemplar did not. That is a big part of the horrific human rights situation in much of the Muslim world.
Another distinction that should be essential, Fred, even for atheists: Islam explicitly denies that human beings are made in the image of God. Qur’an 42:11 (I think it is), says in one good translation that “Naught is as His Likeness” — which is an explicit rejection of the Old Testament claim that human beings are made in the image of God. This Jewish-Christian concept of likeness to God is connected with the fact that Jews and Christians conceive God as Father and themselves as children of God. The Qur’an explicitly rejects that Allah is a father or has any children. Human beings are only Allah’s servants or slaves, nothing more. Allah is essentially a cosmic dictator.
Or again, the historian Stephen Morillo, who is no Christian, points out that one reason Europe was able to evolve beyond feudalism was that both the Old and New Testaments were conceived as “covenants” or contracts between God and human beings. For that reason, the relation between nobles and serfs, as despotic as it often was, ultimately was conceived as a contractual relation where there were mutual obligations.
Or again: what is the name of God in Judaism: “I Am”. Jews and Christians who continually faced such a God developed, by a kind of polarization process, an individualization within them, they developed a sense of I and individuality not present to the same degree in any other culture. You can compare this a bit to the way a baby develops a sense of self over time by having adults around who have strong sense of self, of a healthy “I am” within. By contrast, “Allah” does not mean “I Am.”
So, Fred, you must not, in your dislike and rejection of all religions, assume they are all alike and equally bad. That is really not that different from the way racists think everyone of another disliked race looks alike. It just means lack of close experience with people of that race.
Even if you are right, and all religions are false, you should recognize that the Judeo-Christian paradigm is a key part, along with Greek and Roman humanism, of what has made the West the civilization you prefer. You unconsciously live by many values that were instilled over centuries by the Judeo-Christian paradigm. For example the belief in universal human rights. That comes in significant part from the view that every single human being, as an image of God, is sacred. Every individual counts. Not just collectives, not just ethnic groups, not just the hive of a nation with a dictator on top.
fred says
Eduardo…. we see you tried very hard to spew out all the excuses and apologies why your all-knowing and all-powerful God chooses not to lift a hand to heal, help, protect, or lift up the most needy among us. All of them ring hollow. You conveniently ignore some of the most important commands in your own scripture like how faith can move mountains…. and here’s just a few more:
Matthew 7:7 “Ask, and it will be given to you seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Matthew 21:22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”
Mark 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
John 14:13-14 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.
and of course many more…. https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/10-awesome-bible-verses-about-the-power-of-prayer/#ixzz5fVSdEK00
Your entire argument stands on “God gave us free will” which answers NOTHING! It is just as empty and callous when Christian folk reflexively and embarrassingly pontificate: “God’s ways are mysterious” when they have no real answers to obvious contradictions and tough questions.
How about the millions of starving-to-death children in poor countries around the world while we sit at our computers eating breakfast. How about the millions of small children dying a most horrible death right now with bone cancer or another disease? Is this the innocent child’s fault? How does he or she’s ‘free will’ play into that? Or even this current topic on this thread… all these millions of poor, innocent, and very faithful Christians being persecuted, tortured, killed, raped by the Godless hordes of evil Muslims… the question remains “Why does your omni-potent, omni-benevolent, omniscient LORD and His Divine Son NOT intervene and answer the billions of sincere prayers they ‘hear’ every day regarding their plight?
The promise and ‘miracle’ of faith, belief, and prayer is supposed to override the limitations of petty human free will and invite the Divine into your life to work his magic…. or what’s the point!?!
This maybe hard for you to swallow but you don’t see faith healers working in hospitals for the same reason you don’t see psychics winning the lottery.
Check out this website…. very instructive… http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Lastly, it is glaringly obvious that not all religions are the same. I probably understand that more then you do, since I spent 30 years studying comparative religion. Islam for the past century is as bad, or worse, then Christianity was in the Dark Ages. Much of what is horrific about both is what they have in common at their worst moments. Death for apostasy and homosexuality, honor killings, witch hunts, mindless dogmas, superstitions, and sacrifices, inquisitions, etc…
I would be the first to state that there is an ocean of difference between Tibetan Buddhism or Jainism and Christianity and Islam. And with a proper unbiased reading of those scriptures one would come away with more wisdom and compassion on one page of those canons then in the entire Bible or Quran.
eduardo odraude says
Fred, you make several assumptions that are mistaken.
You assume that if we attribute free will to human beings, that means children (and other innocents) are responsible for the suffering inflicted on them by evil people. Your assumption there is mistaken, unfortunately. Free will means some people can choose to be bad, while innocent people can be hurt.
I’m guessing you are not familiar with Alfred North Whitehead (he wrote Principia Mathematica with Bertrand Russell), and Charles Hartshorne. Hartshorne argued that strictly speaking, there is nothing in the Jewish and Christian scriptures that really requires a belief in divine omnipotence or omniscience. Notice, for example, that scholars now say that the original meaning of the phrase often translated in the Old Testament as “God Almighty” — El Shaddai — is one or another concept that does not include any such attribute as “Almighty”. The Christian concept of “God” clearly includes some kinds of superlative power and knowledge, but not omnipotence and omniscience. Omniscience and omnipotence are abstract philosophical concepts layered on the scriptures by some medieval theologians and philosophers living in relatively authoritarian societies where it was not easy to conceive God in relation to human freedom.
Hartshorne and Whitehead — neither of whom can be charged with being unfamiliar science and the most rigorous kind of formal logic — developed a “process theology” which concludes that, though “God” has certain superlative qualities, omniscience and omnipotence are not among those qualities. Why? Because if human decision-processes are real, then “God” does not know in advance the outcome of those decision-processes. Hartshorne and Whitehead believe human decision processes are real, and conclude that therefore “God” is not omniscient. For similar reasons “God” is not omnipotent — “God” does not control human actions, except to a limited extent and in limited ways. Omniscience and omnipotence are characteristics generally attributed to the Islamic God, however. Furthermore, the Qur’an is generally considered by Muslims to be the infallible, verbatim word of God. Most Christians (with some loud mouth and immature exceptions) do not view the Christian and Jewish scriptures in that way. Hartshorne argues that, until the advent of modern liberal democracy, it may have been very difficult for human beings to conceive of a God that is not omniscient or omnipotent. In historical terms, the authoritarian circumstances within which human beings have lived until relatively recently are one of the reasons for the tendency among some Christians to misinterpret the Jewish and Christian scriptures in authoritarian ways.
But let’s assume for the moment, Fred, that your mistaken view of the Biblical concept of God as omniscient is correct, for the sake of discussion. Do you deny that eliminating the victimization of good or innocent people (including children) by bad people would require eliminating free will?
Doesn’t your complaint amount to saying that “God” should swoop down and turn human beings into automatons with no choice about doing good or evil? But don’t you see that if there were no choice, then there would be no real moral good? Do you deny that? Tell me why, and I’ll alter my views. As far as I can see, moral goodness requires moral choice between good and evil. One cannot speak of a billiard ball or, for that matter, of an animal, as morally good or bad.
Clearly you assume that the Bible refers to itself in unambiguous terms as infallible, and treats God as not just awesomely powerful, but also as literally omnipotent and omniscient. Then, having made those mistaken assumptions, you become angry at that concept of God, because of course an omnipotent God is responsible for everything. But what you don’t seem to get is that even if your false view of the Biblical paradigm were true, you as judge would only exonerate that “omnipotent” God if he turned human beings into automatons who did only what he ordered and who could never do bad things. But how would such a God, who turns human beings into automatons be something good? Can you answer that? I’ll alter my views if you can.
But I suspect your problem with the concept you (falsely) attribute to the Bible is not exactly a moral scruple you have. You just are convinced that such a concept of God is “obviously” stupid, and you hate it for that reason, because apparently you cannot even begin to imagine that you might be mistaken. In that respect, perhaps you ought to look to your own lack of imagination, because you are at least as fallible as the Bible. If you could better imagine your own fallibility, you would not think your own conclusions so obvious that you look with contempt on those with whom you disagree. And you certainly have seemed to speak with contempt. Note well: I don’t complain about your viewpoint, but the contempt and arrogance with which you express it. Ironically your false view of the Bible is held by some of the more loud-mouthed Christians — probably the only ones you notice. Also ironic is that your concept of the Christian scriptures was held by some medieval theologians and philosophers, but is far from universally held by Christians today.
jule says
Fred, No matter how many times I have wondered these things too, I do not think this is a contest over which Religion should have Supremacy but which religion does the most destruction to humanity. Islam wins that hands down. And this is what needs to be understood. How absolutely destructive and pathological Islam is as just a Warlord Manual for Conquest and Control using terror and fear even on the own to motivate more conquest and absolute Supremacy. It feeds on the attraction of making humans feel like famous heroes for doing the most demonic deeds. But if they get a pat on the back or think after death they will have more, thats enough for them. This is the BIG problem and not which religion is ‘true’. Just which religion or no religion even gets people to act for the better and human progress and evolution. Can you even say Islam has any redeeming quality? Can you even say it is not the most dangerous of beliefs to the world? Thats what this is about. Freedom of religion does not apply to Harm hidden behind a name. Islam is Harm. Nazitypes are Harm, KKKlan is Harm. Islam is harm and we do not have to tolerate Harm as part of ‘diversity’. The problem is that people are not understanding or seeing how Harmful it is and somehow it needs to be brought to light. Like Pesticides in water harms us but corporations that make pesticides fool everyone or Bribe everyone into causing ignorance and denial. Wrong harmful beliefs for someones gain need to be shown. The model of Islam is so destructive.
fred says
Jule… for some weird reason you think i’m promoting a game of which religion is more true as well as which religion is more destructive. Please read and comprehend this clearly…. to me it is transparently obvious after deeply immersing myself in comparative religion studies for decades, that like most human-created institutions and systems, there exists a wide-range of differences, nuances, and similarities. As I stated in a previous post their is a massive ocean of difference between let’s say the Jains and Tibetian Buddhists vs. the Christians and Islamists in terms of dogmatic beliefs, practices, moral and ethical codes, sin and redemption, and concepts of the Divine and the afterlife. BELIEFS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. Religious beliefs especially. The only way the crusades, the inquisitions, witch hunts, the 1000’s of terror attacks including 9/11 could happen is because retrograde religious dogma is running on the ‘software of human consciousness’ and poisons the psyche and the moral compass of millions of human minds. I know you think the Bible is morally superior to the Quran… but just remember much of the Quran is a rip off of the Bible and much of what they think of Allah is identical (or very similar) with the monster God of the Old Testament. This quote by Dawkins is quite illustrative: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
gravenimage says
Humans having free will is not callous. In fact, there is no morality without free will.
Walter Sieruk says
Some Muslims even hate Christians so much that they even become violence against them and burn their Bibles. One reason for this is that in the mosques and madrasas the Muslim clerics, as the imams who speak many awful and unproven terrible things against Christians and Christian doctrine. So much so the many Muslims get all worked up against Christians and Christian teachings and some those Muslims commit violent actions against Christians. Such false religious teachers, as those Muslim clerics, who speak to people unfounded and invalid evil things about Christians and Christian doctrines have been described in the Bible. For the Bible informs the reader in Second Peter 2:12. “They speak evil of things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption.” [N.K.J.V.]
It also should be make clear that in this specific above Bible verse, as well as in John 3:16. The word “Perish” does not mean loss of being but loss of well-being. As in going to ruin by ending up in languishing in torment in a terrible place of suffering that the Bible calls hell. Luke 16:19-31.
Dave says
A good speech to educate the facts about Islam. It is a shame it appears to be a small audience. What is the problem with getting people interested in the subject, which is vital to understanding what is happening with the Islamic invasion?
Kay says
I would like to see someone make a book that shows religious shrines and buildings that Mohammedens have destroyed or taken over with side by side pictures (photos or drawings etc) of what exists there now. I’d like it to also include some historic background on the importance of the site to the attacked group.
I was shocked when I heard that part of Robert’s talk. I had known about the Haggia Sophia and the Temple Mount, but I didn’t know how often this takeover has happened. Somehow I think that if people could see it, they might start to realize what we’re facing.
gravenimage says
Yes–Islam has regularly destroyed or appropriated Infidels’ holy places.
fred says
Eduardo…. ok… let’s now dispense with all the theological machinations and gymnastics desperately attempting to parse ancient scripture, quoting public intellectuals and Biblical scholars, and ‘mind-read’ what the original all-too-human authors meant when they wrote these manuscripts. That’s all entertaining but gets us no where except unending circles and mazes.
Here’s the nitty gritty… what do YOU believe and why? Do you honestly believe that a supernatural cosmic Creator Being (that you call God) actually wrote or dictated an ‘infallible’ book thousands of years ago? If so, can you point to a word, verse, or chapter of any of these manuscripts that could NOT have been uttered or written by the average sand-strewn goat herder living in the bronze-age – that it could only take a Transcendent Divine Intelligence to transmit these precious words? Do you believe in the central teaching of Christianity which involves this Biblical God, His Son Jesus, the resurrection, and the ultimate savior of human-kind (of course only if one can WILL themselves to have faith regarding all that)?
There are potentially thousands of other questions we can pose to you, and what you hold as ‘truth’… but i leave you with this last one for now: Sit with eyes closed and imagine yourself being born to highly devout Muslim parents in a pure Islamic nation like Afghanistan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, etc… and your entire childhood is awash in Quranic indoctrination and you are, of course, enamored with Islamic teachings. You grow up 100% convinced (because of this brainwashing) that Islam is the ONE true religion, Allah is the ONLY true God, and Mohammad is His one true messenger. Can you admit to us that right now you would be proclaiming with absolute certainly that Islam is greater then Christianity (and every religion), and you would fill these post pages with acrobatic apologetics why this is Divine Truth? If you were being completely intellectually honest you would have to admit to this. The point here is….
What is so glaringly in-your-face apparent to objective observers regarding the ‘followers’ and ‘believers’ of any religion is that the MOST significant reason why anyone believes what they believe is due to a GOVERNING SENTIMENTALITY inculcated since childhood from mothers-fathers-teachers-preachers-churches-scriptures-cultures-communities, which takes up residence in the subconscious, and drives and fuels religious faith proclamations. It has little, or nothing, to do with real analysis and critical thinking, no matter how it is intellectually dressed up. Case closed brojangles.