Since analysis of the motivating ideology behind jihad terror is routinely smeared as “hatred of Islam and Muslims,” this will likely outlaw all such analysis and make opposition to jihad teror effectively impossible. And these bans are coming.
“Muslim scholars union urges ban on Islamophobia,” by Suhib Qalaluh, AA.com, March 16, 2019 (thanks to Lookmann):
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The International Union for Muslim Scholars (IUMS) has called on non-Muslim countries to ban Islamophobia, following the killing of dozens of people on a deadly attack on two mosques in New Zealand.
“IUMS calls on non-Muslim countries to ban the spread of hatred against Islam and Muslims,” IUMS President Ahmed al-Raisouni said in a statement at the conclusion of a 2-day session held in Istanbul on Friday….
James Waber says
Wouldn’t it have been weird if the nz murderer actually did it to stoke the reverse? Not hatred of Islam but people who were trying to create a new, reasonable antijihad movement based in using the texts and not hatred of Muslims?
Renate says
It’s just a thought, but maybe they should call to ban hate against Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc., too, but they never seem to think of that, do they?
Mary says
Agree with you Renate
abad says
Renate:
Moslems on the whole do not care about non-Moslems, they only care about themselves and how non-Moslems treat them and Islam.
While Moslems continue to commit unspeakable horrors while screeching “Allahu Akhbar”.
PRCS says
#1. The U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment (currently) guarantees our freedom of speech.
#2. Will those ‘scholars’ ever ban the specific passages of Islam’s texts which tell Muslims to hate the kuffar?
D. Morris says
PRCS I agree with you. Plus what about the hate speech that Muslims say against Jews and Christians? Why is it ok to kill us (i.e. terrorism), but we cannot speak out against it? Now that is hate speech!
Jayme says
In Canada the charter protects free speech unless its hate but just raising questions about immigration or sharia as much as the left wants it to does not fall under hate speech.
Jule Bacal says
It is time to remind the country that ‘freedom of speech’ absolutely does not include Libel, slander, defamation, inciting violence or destruction, treason, classified info, anti-trust laws, insider trading,espionage, Threats & a few more. THESE ARE NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH TOPICS. This Qur’an thing has to go before the Supreme court as something that cannot be Taught as is. No other religion says what they say. if people were not killed or have their tongues cut out, there would be no Islam period. it is only kept alive by killing people.(nazigroups and KKKlan is in the same bag but not Even as extreme as the holy book of Islam but they should not be allowed to live and grow in this country. Its suicide. Free Speech does not cover them and neither does ‘religion’ of genocide.
Jule Bacal says
Free Speech Has Rules & borders. We need to Stress those and take things to the Supreme Ct. No Threats, No libel, NoSlander, No defamation, rules about anti-Trust laws and securities, No espionage, No insider trading, no Calls for criminal behavior, no plagiarizing, No calls for treason, no classified, & a few more, When did USA STOP TEACHING THIS? Freedom of speech Depends on these rules because we are a country of laws, not lawless/anarchy. The Supreme Court Must uphold these.
Wellington says
Hating an ideology that is inimical to liberty and which itself oozes hatred towards those who don’t adhere to that ideology is not only a perfectly sensible thing to do, it is a necessary thing to do. Indeed, it is a failure of reason, moral intelligence and common sense if one does not despise such an ideology, be it a secular or religious ideology.
Hence I despise Islam because it is steeped in hatred and tyranny. And I want to be very clear that I do not hate all Muslims but I certainly hate their belief system. How can I not?
Jay says
Wellington. Great post. Agree 100% . Thank you.
Jule Bacal says
200%
mortimer says
IDEOLOGY … why Islam is an ideology …
ISLAM IS A POLITICAL IDEOLOGY ACCORDING TO MUSLIM LEADERS AND AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE TEXTS:
-“Pakistan not only means freedom and independence, but the Muslim ideology which has to be preserved as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope others will share with us.” – Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Father of Pakistan
-Sharia law is clear about Islam being a political system and political ideology. The manual of Sharia law (‘Reliance of the Traveller’) refers 128 times to ‘caliph’ or ‘caliphate’, 12 times to ‘Islamic State’, 3 times to ‘Islamic ruler’, 2 times to ‘supreme leadership’, 2 times to ‘government, 2 times to ‘govern’, 2 times to ‘sultan’ and one to ‘governors’ (Islamic).
-In the preface to the Constitution, we find a paragraph heading: An Ideological Army.
Here’s what the paragraph says:
“In establishing and equipping the defense forces of the country, the focus shall be on maintaining ideology and faith as the foundation and the measure.
-“Islam is politics or it is nothing!” – Ayatollah Khomeini.
-A “very large part” of sharia requires “the coercive power and authority of the state” for its enforcement. Consequently, while a state based on Islam has a legislature which the ruler must consult, its function “is really that of law-finding, not of law-making.” – Maulana Maududi, Islamic political expert
-The Saudi Sheikh Saleh Al-Lehadan, head of the Supreme Judiciary Council, told Al Watan daily, (March 25, 2008) “After getting rid of the Jews in our Arab land, we must turn to the Christians. They have three options: either they convert to Islam, or leave, or pay Jizia (protection taxes). Further, there is not such a thing as Shiites, Sufis, etc. There are only Sunnis. All these sects must renounce their pagan beliefs and return to Sunna, the right path of Islam.”
-Islam is a political ideology. Islam divides the world into Muslims and unbelievers, kafirs. – Bill Warner, PhD, analyst of political Islam
-“Islam is at once a religion, a state and a society—din wa dawla.
Political power is thus entirely devoted to a religious mission.
Islam is the merger of politics and religion.” – Fr Henri Boulad SJ, Syrian analyst of political Islam
– “Islam is a totalitarian ideology that aims to control the religious, social and political life of mankind in all its aspects — the life of its followers without qualification, and the life of those who follow the so-called tolerated religions to a degree that prevents their activities from getting in the way of Islam in any manner. – Ibn Warraq, ex-Muslim author on political Islam
-Islam is law-oriented, not theology-oriented, and Muslim society is ideological in nature. – Samuel P. Schlorff
-“It is important to understand that the West is undoubtedly heading towards banning [the activities of] political Islam. …
“We need to understand that this is a struggle between two ideologies, not between countries or leaders or religions. It is a (mostly) silent war between secularism and Islam. -Mazin Abdul Adhim, an important Muslim thinker in Canada, who identifies with the internationalist, pan-Islamic organization Hizb ut-Tahrir
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
You stated, correctly:
“Hence I despise Islam because it is steeped in hatred and tyranny. And I want to be very clear that I do not hate all Muslims but I certainly hate their belief system.”
I have been reading Jihad Watch for three years now and have been posting comments for almost one year.
Your sentiments are typical of the average Jihad Watch reader/poster.
Any person that is well-informed about Islam should, indeed, absolutely despise that belief system.
Stated another way, any person who truly believes in Islam is either grossly misinformed – or they are truly harboring evil thoughts.
Jule Bacal says
From babyhood, they and all their community says it is what Allah wants, what he says. It is their Identity. Everyone they know Believes it or they are told not to talk to them. Bad people do not Believe. Its like telling a Christian there is no God or Jesus. Not Saying there isn’t but its the BELIEF and its hard to go against it. Its like the left telling the right we need more of a Public rather than all private for profit/ dog eat dog existence. The Right call Public, ‘Socialist’ without knowing what people mean.
It will be very hard for Muslims to gain sanity. Countries think they will just go along with us and realise we live better but they WILL NOT. That Apostasy. Its FEARFUL to think of going against Allah. Its too terrifying for most.
At least USA can get the Supreme Ct to say They cannot Practise fundamental Islam here and cannot teach it in Mosques. Can ‘believe’ but not practise. Most of all it Teaches is against our Law. If that bothers them, they must move to an Islamic country. Not gain majority and Vote to change us.
Save Europe says
Succinctly put 👍
CogitoErgoSum says
Hmmm …. another good way to keep people from hating you is to be nice to them. But … if that doesn’t work you can always try being mean and see if that’s any better, but in my experience it is even less effective than being nice. So, when I can’t get along with someone I just try to avoid that person. Hey, maybe trying to force people who don’t like one another to live together actually results in conflict and people end up living apart anyway so as to avoid the constant threat of violence. Could avoiding conflict and violence be why different countries came about in the first place? Would that be called nationalism? Is that such a bad thing?
PRCS says
“Hmmm …. another good way to keep people from hating you is to be nice to them.”
Islam doesn’t permit ‘nice’, leaving just ‘mean’.
Anjem Chodary knows why informed ‘unbelievers’ hate Allah’s slaves.
Not sure about the Pope.
CogitoErgoSum says
No, I think there is another alternative. If you carefully read what I wrote you should be able to figure out what it is. (And you totally ignored any of my questions.)
PRCS says
Per you first thought:
“Hmmm …. another good way to keep people from hating you is to be nice to them. But … if that doesn’t work you can always try being mean and see if that’s any better, but in my experience it is even less effective than being nice.”
With the subject at hand in mind (International Union for Muslim Scholars “calls on non-Muslim countries to ban the spread of hatred against Islam”, I responded: “Islam doesn’t permit ‘nice’, leaving just ‘mean’.”
Though you’re not being nice here, I don’t hate you.
CogitoErgoSum says
I don’t hate you either and if you don’t think I’m being nice enough to you, perhaps I should avoid you in the future.
PRCS says
Well, this is just a website. You could do that, and nothing awful would happen.
Your ‘other alternative’ doesn’t always work in real life, though, as the Yezedis learned.
P.S. I responded to your post (March 14–Pirro) on Mar 15, 2019 at 3:58 am.
CogitoErgoSum says
Okay PRCS, I’ll agree with what you said on the other thread. Sharia applies to everyone when it becomes the law of the land. The thing to do then would be NOT to allow it to become the law of YOUR land if you don’t like it and I agree with you again that avoiding people does not always work when they aggressively want to force their will upon you.
The idea of having a country came about because groups of people who had numerous things in common and were able to work together toward a common goal formed their own country. This kept other people who thought differently from bothering them, which I’m thinking is a good idea. In my opinion, allowing people into your country whose goal is to change your country’s laws and way of life is a bad idea … so I’m thinking, keeping people who don’t agree with the ideals of your country OUT is a good idea. That’s the best way of avoiding them and the problems that arise when they are around and if they want to start a war over that, then you are going to have to be prepared to fight for YOUR country …. at it’s borders … because then you can no longer avoid conflict with them.
There’s no way you can make people like you if they don’t want to like you ….. especially if they have been told not to like you by the religion they follow and especially if they think they can take from you whatever they want because their god told them it’s their right to do so. I’m saying as long as they stay in their own country (or countries), things should be fine. And that’s why I don’t see love for your country, or patriotism, or nationalism (whatever you want to call love of country) as a bad thing.
I don’t think I hate certain people. I just don’t want to be around certain people and sometimes I can tell who those people are, not by the color of their skin, but by the way they dress and the way they act …. but especially I can tell by looking at what they consider holy … and I look to the Quran, the hadiths and the life of Muhammad to tell me what I need to know when it comes to what is holy under Islam. No law is going to change my thinking on that unless the law changes the Quran.
PRCS says
Re: Preventing such entry:
No argument from me.
Unfortunately, the fort’s gates have been flung open to Islam’s version of the Trojan Horse story: multiculturalism.
Jule Bacal says
Not multicultural. please do not exploit. The PROBLEM is the Qur’an/Hadiths Islam.
Dutch Sinter Klass is fine, like French kissing? Chinese food, Hawaiian aloha, a Danish, Pizza, bagel, new American Tech? Multiculture is FUN but ISLAM is Destructive to all of it. No One hates multiculture More than Islam. Arabs ‘Arabized’ Egypt wasn’t ‘Arab’, Syria was not nor was Phenicia, India or Indonesia was not ‘arab’ or Shia before. Turkey region was NOT Arab. No where was until conquering of Islam wiped out all signs of others.
Jule Bacal says
The main point is that we have LAWS and they are against Sharia. So it must be made CLEAR by our Courts what we are and what we are not & cannot tolerate. We are not meant to Tolerate everything. We cannot legally tolerate Nazigroups, KKKLan, Islam as it is written, or Supremacists but so far we have not had the guts or Clarity to stand up and Say so. They are not part of Freedom at all. Freedom does not mean tolerate what will destroy. How illogical, How cowardly not to admit. the problem is too many people have never been shown that Islam destroys, or that Nazigroups growing CAN become old Germany and KKKLan Can make another civil war. We must be logical and realistic. We must Educate and stand by our Laws which DO NOT SAY WE MUST TOLERATE THE INTOLERABLE.
David Grisez says
There is a big problem with this. A ban on the hatred of Islam would be used by Muslims to suppress all accurate and truthful discussion about Islam as hate speech. This would help spread Islam jihad instead of restraining Islam jihad.
Angel says
Maybe not: if you consider that the concept of Islamophobia was created out of thin air by Muslim ideologues to shut out any type of criticism of anything that has to do with Islam, it is not a bad idea at all to ban it altogether itself rather than the totalitarian meaning Muslims use it for! With the very idea of Islamophobia declared illegal, we’ll be free to criticize anything we want about Islam, its founder, its abominable “holy” book, its murderus imams, its mosques, etc. Muslims will have to learn to live with criticism from other human beings, like the rest of humanity does, and they won’t be able to resort to the fake (and by now illegal) notion of “Islamophobia” to shut everyone off. It should indeed be declared illegal since it is by definition a direct frontal attack on the notions of free speech and freedom of religion. Bring it on!
Jule Bacal says
Not if told with facts and quotes plus Muslim scholars/clerics/Imams
Just don’t tell it with the twist of sarcastic hate/revoltion. Tell it just like it is. AND I want to get it the Supreme Court as to what Mosques can Teach people in the way of antiJew, satanic nonMuslims. Our FREE SPEECH Does have LIMITS and they should have to be Emphasized today…No Slander, Libel, Defamation, Threats, inciting destruction, and several more. We must enforce them Because a country cannot be Free without them. Same with Borders. They serve the purpose of protecting real Equality and freedom by NOT tolerating everything under the sun. Anyone who reads the Qur’an/Hadiths has to admit the antiJew, anti any other Religion and even calls for destruction one way or another ordered by Allah. In USA there just cannot be No Nazigroups, no KKKLan, No Islam, No supremacists. If not, we lose our freedom. We have to have the Supreme Court to Protect our laws.
K WAGNER says
If jihadist muslims weren’t as evil and detrimental to civilization as a whole we wouldn’t be hateful to them.!!!!
Antiislamicman says
Sura 9:29 Muslims hate non Muslims
Anjuli Pandavar says
Are they for real?! 34,725 jihad terror attacks since 9/11. Murder and mayhem wherever Islam goes. Full-blown corruption of governments, the media, academia and what were once impeccable justice systems, children denouncing their own parents as “Islamophobic”, every single month a thousand Muslims dying at the hands of other Muslims. All this and more and they have the gall to demand that non-Muslim countries “ban the spread of hatred against Islam and Muslims.” How dare they, the cynical bastards! Of course we condemn the mass murder of those worshippers. It was a gross and deplorable act. Now they want to leverage that! This call for the banning of hatred against Islam against the backdrop 34,725 jihad terror attacks just since 9/11 and a thousand Muslim on Muslim mass murders, including mass murders every single month without a word from Muslims does nothing but to confirm what evil, manipulative, opportunist, cynical bastards they are. Their first reaction after years of thousands of Muslims dying in appalling mass murders is when one non-Muslim murders Muslims. NOW they’re upset. They’re so upset they want *non-Muslim* countries, countries that *do not* promote jihad mass murder, to ban hatred against Islam and Muslims? How about they abolish Islam? Get rid of all the hatred at a stroke. Then at least we’ll know that they mean it.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
International Union for Muslim Scholars “calls on non-Muslim countries to ban the spread of hatred against Islam”
We might as well prepare ourselves for a grim near future. This New Zealand shooting is going to bring out every leftist nut against guns and free speech like never before. How refreshing it would be to get some objectivity in this deadly debate, to have the murder and mayhem of islam get acknowledged at a time like this. But we won’t, because there’s a wave of pandering good will by leftists who see a great opportunity in exploiting the situation for their own ends. In the meantime islam continues to wreak havoc, both in the muslim world and ours. Let’s stop and consider things, many of these muslims who want to “ban the spread of hatred” are the same muslims who riot or kill over cartoons, support terror against the West, FGM against little girls, the persecution and murder of gays and Christians and Jews, and work diligently to subvert our culture and laws for their barbaric sharia. To many of them our desire to merely exist peaceably for our democratic ideals and hard won freedoms is itself an offense to them, and that often results in us ending up dead or terrorized. So is this truly an attempt to defeat “hate” against muslims? is it a sincere attempt to ban actual “hate” speech. Oh my, no. It’s just one more nail in our coffin for allah, an exploitation by these supremacists and their leftist allies to relieve us of our right to think and speak our own good minds. One does not have to be a great thinker to see this. Just take a look at the larger grim picture and you can see that what I said is true. Muslims have no moral vantage because of New Zealand, they only have an opportunity to look like bigger hypocrites as they point at us with their own guilty fingers. If these muslims were sitting on top of all the “hate” and murder their religion has caused they’d be sitting on the moon. No, I’m sorry, I don’t want to hear any talk of crushing free speech for islam. I want to hear how we’re going to rid ourselves of the bigotry in islam that is causing all this hatred and social unrest in the first place.
Wellington says
Minus Leftism, as you already indicated, dealing with Islam would be far easier. Western Leftism runs interference for Islam and makes matters all the more complicated and difficult.
Leftism is for fools and Islam is for haters, though one can find much hate in Leftism and much foolishness in Islam. No wonder they’re allies.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Western Leftism runs interference for Islam and makes matters all the more complicated and difficult.
That’s right, it’s a rampant problem, the kowtowing to islam, the lying about all the rape with cover ups, the victimology ruse with, “muslims fear a backlash,” usually after a muslim has killed us, the suppression of free speech because muslims might get “offended” by the truth and want to kill someone, the labeling of human rights activists like Spencer as “bigots” or “islamophobes,” even though such unjust labels are themselves hateful and bigoted…
Islam is bringing the West down to their gutter level. Being proud of ones own country means you’re a racist, and loving freedom means you are a bigot if it conflicts with islam’s totalitarian ways, this is the new zeitgeist thrust upon us by the left. I remember last summer I put a small U.S. flag and some July 4th decorations on my bike. I pulled up by a coffee shop and locked her up as a guy sitting at a table drinking his mud said rather loudly, “Oh boy, we got ourselves a TRUMP supporter here,” with a tinge of aggression in his voice. What I had going on was no advertisement for Trump, I was simply partaking of the 4th of July merriment on July 3rd, but to him I was loving my country when I should be hating it, apparently. We can’t be proud of our nation, and we can’t speak the truth about islam or defend free speech because everything is about race hate even when it isn’t. An increase in the muslim population will only make things worse, I believe. Europe screwed up, and we’re next if we don’t stay vigilant about islam. We could soon end up like Tommy Robinson in the UK, treated like a crook for defending raped children and simply speaking uncomfortable truths about islam.
CRUSADER says
Don’t let the bastards get you down.
You can certainly celebrate July 4th.
If the patriots sacrificed for the fight, you can certainly celebrate.
Guard up.
+++++++
gravenimage says
Good exchange, Agostino, Wellington, and CRUSADER.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
If the news media in the West truly supported anti-jihad and evidence-based discussion of Islam and sharia law, we would not be experiencing the degree of problems that we have now.
If you want to look at something refreshing, go on YouTube and see how Poland discusses Islam and the jihad threat.
Wellington says
James: Being of half Polish ancestry myself (and my Polish-American mother is fluent in Polish but, alas, I am not) I am extra proud of how Poland is standing up to the tyranny and idiocy of the EU.
Well, Poland has had to be tough. It has virtually no geographic advantages and is wedged between two mountains of conceit—Germany and Russia. No way Poland could have survived to date without having major collective courage and toughness. And now Poland is pointing the way along with other Eastern European nations like Hungary respecting how to deal with immigrants adhering to the worst religion of all time. Admirable to say the least.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
Yes, Poland and Hungary are leading the charge against Muslim migration. And they will never give in to the EU.
And I know for sure that I will never tell another Polish joke…
CRUSADER says
Napoleon loved the Polish ladies…..
Westman says
It would appear more to the advantage of Islam to be surreptitious than outright demanding at every opportunity. It seems the “boy who cried wolf” becomes the main center of analysis, rather than the wolf; setting off a discussion about the actual nature of the boy. Islam, upon close inspection, is not very appealing to the Western mind; so it’s best to present a facade and tread softly. But don’t listen to us, Islam, just keep appearing in the news, every day, with some atrocity. Then, when having a conference about “Islamophobia”, you can all wonder why the West’s attitude about Islam continues to decline.
Maybe what Islam is doing in the world, with screams of A…. Ackbar, assaults our ears so loudly that we cannot hear what you are saying?
Even our brilliant new congresswoman, AOC, has been forced to erase some incredible ignorance about actual mosque worship in Islam, tweeting about, “What good are your thoughts & prayers when they don’t even keep the pews safe?” – in reference to the terrorist attack in NZ. One can just imagine the resonance that Muslims must feel while sitting in their Pews.
tedh754 says
Sitting in their pews. Good one! Must be hard to do a bit of arse-lifting and head-banging while sitting!
PRCS says
I’m trying to imagine that.
gravenimage says
Islam has never been subtle in its incessant demands.
I AM THE INFIDEL YOUR IMAM WARNED YOU ABOUT says
REALLY!!!!!
How about the muslims having respect for other religions and faiths…. how about stopping the persecution, murder and enslavement of thousands of non-muslims…… and last but not the least… HOW ABOUT SCRAPPING THE ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY illustrated and enforced through the quran and hadiths.
It’s the islamic ideology that is the root cause of hatred……… because hatred toward other faiths and religions started through islam and it’s ideology
abad says
+1
somehistory says
On this day, at this present minute….who knows how soon it will change…it is still possible to say such things as, “I hate islam” or “islam is evil and islam is from satan the devil.” “Islam teaches hatred, rape, theft and murder, along with making sure all moslims know they may lie in the furtherance of islam or even if they just wish to lie.”
Already, at this moment on this day, the reporting of what moslims do to Christians, Jews and others is buried, lied about, not reported, distorted, excused with claims of “mental illness,” etc,, while reporting on attacks on moslims…which are exceedingly rare…is told and repeated with every possible way of making the whole of islam and every moslim…living and long dead…look like an innocent victim who only wanted to live in peace. The attacks on Christians, Jews and the general public rarely are immediately…if at all..labeled “terrorism.” The reports on what happened in NZ immediately, without any hesitation, labeled it “terrorism.”
If these moslims calling for a ban…on what amounts to a call for ending free speech…on hatred of islam…and moslims, gains traction with even more nations than already have (like U.K., Germany) severe restrictions, there will be no reports on the attacks against Christians, Jews, churches, synagogues, deli’s, concerts, hotels, trains, fairs, parades, holiday markets, gang rapes of children, etc. when moslims are the perps.
If what these moslims are calling for gains the support of more governments, sites like JW, barenakedislam. gatestone., and a few others that tell the truth…without advocating hatred of moslims, but just telling the Truth…will be banned from the Internet.
And then all of the public, when out and about, will be required to smile at any moslim they encounter. Maybe even step off the curb into the gutter to allow the moslim to pass by.
Btw, I have smiled at moslims. I have spoken to them and their children. However, I do hate evil and islam is evil. So are the lies told to protect it.
gravenimage says
Good post.
andra says
And I call on all Muslim countries to ban hatred and christianophobia and Jewphobia and General all non-Muslim-phobia from their countries.
It is very interesting to follow the international reactions to this attack in New Zealand.
Remembering Paris, Nizza, Brussels, Berlin or Manchaster, politicians all over the word demanded from the Western People to stay cool and to not generalize that all Muslims are potencial terrorists.
Now it is vice verca, the Muslims are the victims of an attack, and look what happens. The leaders of the world to not call us to sympathise with the traitor´s background, oh no. They demand to show solidarity to the Muslims because an attack against Muslims is an attack against all of us (Andrea Nahles, SPD, Germany).
No matter what happens in this world we have to submit to the Muslims and detaste all others. And no one recognizes that the reactions are so differently.
gravenimage says
(For those who may not know, “Nizza” is Italian for “Nice”)
Don Ameche says
So Suhib is calling for all Non muslim counties to enact Sharia.
Religion is not says
How about telling Muslims to stop inciting death against non-Muslims first. That would be a good fresh start.
Walter Sieruk says
How absurd are those four words which are “hate speech against Islam.” For speaking out about the many awful and terrible things that are wrong about Islam is not hate speech ” It’s Truth Telling. A well inform about knowledgeable person based in speech, on facts, about Islam and not his feeling about that religion is not, in any form or definition of the word ” hate”
In addition, its’ also very important to understand that Muslims are not Islam. So informing people about the many errors and dangers of Islam is criticizing Islam,and is not ,actually,criticizing Muslims.
In fact a person may like and care about people who are Muslim but dislikes Islam. For many times Muslim are victims of Islam . To give only a few examples of this are young girls of are victims of FGM and “honor killings.” Another example this that in a madrasa of mosques as Muslim clerics so thoroughly damages the cognition of a young impressionable Muslin, that the brainwashed Muslim youth literally becomes “dangerous to self and others” by going out and engaging in a murderous actions of a jihad suicide /homicide attack for the cause of Islam .
Moreover, with all this explained its also rather interesting , to some people, that the classical work of ancient Greek literature, by Plato, entitled THE APOLOGY OF SOCRATES it in written that Socrates had said that “An unexamined life is not worth living.” Likewise, in may also be said that “An unexamined religion is not worth believing in.” This is said about all religions. Yet to be specific, in this case, the topic is about the religion of Islam. Furthermore, one man who was as a former a Muslim and had lived in one of the Islamic nations of the Middle East but now he is Christian and an American citizen had explained in a book he wrote that “Driving into depths of the word of reasoned thinking and research in Islamic societies has always been costly. Some Muslim who have done this have even been excluded from their social rights and even sentenced to death.” [1]
[1] ISLAM AND THE SON OF GOD by Daniel Shayesteh page 70.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
So informing people about the many errors and dangers of Islam is criticizing Islam,and is not ,actually,criticizing Muslims.~Walter
I’m not sure I would totally agree with that. The biggest part of what makes islam a living doctrine (and sometimes a murderous doctrine) is what muslims put in to it, their time, their resources, and devotion. It seems rather disingenuous to me to say that we are not “actually, criticizing muslims.” I have no problem criticizing muslims from the POV of one who believes their participation in that creed encourages a bad morality that results in all manner of crime. As a moral and practical matter it seems impossible for me to separate the doctrine from those who live it. The main reason it deserves criticism is because of what muslims do with it, they are the living embodiment of all it teaches. When I criticize islam I am criticizing muslims who actively engage with it as a believer or supporter. Bad or harmful behavior deserves criticism. And one of the most hurtful behaviors, I believe, is what “moderate” muslims do in supporting doctrines that inspire murder and oppression. It is these so-called peaceful moderates that encourage all the falsity and bad notions contained in that defunct and somewhat depraved “religion.” They are the ones that bestow on that paradigm of supremacist hate the monumental imprimatur of a billion+ muslims. It’s from that large and dark sea that rises so much terror and suffering for allah. So I do criticize muslims, because they are the ones that can hurt me, while a book is just a book.
It’s precisely because I do criticize muslims that I can honestly say that I care about muslims too. People who really care are those who care enough to tell people the truth, even when it hurts.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
After I read my own post it made me wonder, when I say I hate “islam” but not muslims am I really being honest with myself? After all, If can’t separate the doctrine from the muslims who live it, then how can I say that and truly mean it? Hmmmm…. maybe I’m just a lying hypocrite and really do hate muslims. lol. Oh well, time for dinner. 🙂 I’ll work it out later. haha!
somehistory says
Agostino Armo Pellegrini
How it is for me…hating islam, but being able to truthfully say I don’t hate moslims.
It’s kind of like walking barefoot across the lawn. Stepping on the debris…much of it disgusting if one ponders it…enjoying the day, the feel of the grass on the soles. Stopping to smell the flowers or listen to the birds, suddenly an ant is stinging my toe. I had nothing against the ants prior to being stung, but now, I wish only to kill the offender and retreat to doctor the wound.
Then, ants are in my kitchen, getting into the sugar and the bread and I get some weapon to use against them. Previously, I had no feelings against the ants.
Previously, I didn’t know that much about islam. Then, I met. and even worked with, moslims. I didn’t hate them, but upon seeing some of their deeds that are directly connected to islam, as opposed to just being human traits, I hated what I observed. And, those mosiims that I hear or read about, or know, that engage in the evil…well, makes me angry, really really angry and there is no love lost…If they die, I do not mourn.
What happened in NZ is not as awful to me as it would have been had it been people who truly do “seek peace and pursue it,” but it also doesn’t make me glad that it happened. Were there innocent children there? If so, that makes it worse. Little children don’t harbor ill will until they are taught to hate. Little kids, now, I do mourn for.
I can truthfully say that I leave it to my God to deal with them as He wills. If they fear the Truth, that would be the only thing from me to fear.
CRUSADER says
Do these Muslims laying dead in the mosques go to Paradise now?
Or, as Islam is such an active religion full of deeds necessary for divine approval,
will they who were killed not in actual fight but in flight or in prayer go to a lesser place?
Cthulhu says
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei calls on democratic countries to ban the spread of hatered against national socialism.
gravenimage says
+1
Walter Sieruk says
The International Union of Muslim Scholars would never be so honest to admit it, but the fact remains that the only real reason that Muslim nations, as Pakistan, have “blasphemy laws” enacted is because Islam, with its many falsehoods, is such a weak and fragile religion that it can stand up to or hold up to criticism, at all. No matter how very mild those criticisms might be.
Stephen says
Why do Muslims strive to bring this on themselves everywhere they go? They cannot assimilate, blend in and be grateful to these generous host countries. It’s always their prayer time, FGM, Halal food, Sharia Law etc.Their sole purpose is to carry out the evil bidding’s of a sixth century, misogynistic, Pedophilian, caravan trading cave dweller. If you believe in the ramblings of a book that calls for homosexuals to be put to death, you have no place in our Western culture irrelevant of ISIS.
abad says
Precisely why they do not belong in western nations.
They really would be much better off in Moslem-majority nations.
FYI says
Perhaps they can reciprocate..
Non-muslim nations call on muslim nations to ban the spread of islam in their non-muslim countries
A Quid Pro Quo:muslims stop invading other non-muslim countries…all jihadists and islamic supremacists should go live in an islamic paradise like somalia or mali.You should not be in the West.
The Globalists,the Communist Leftards,the muslims…you cannot have the World….
tedh754 says
Muslims are more than capable of generating anti-Muslim hate all by themselves.
gravenimage says
International Union for Muslim Scholars “calls on non-Muslim countries to ban the spread of hatred against Islam”
……………….
They are not really talking about violence against Muslims, which is very rare.
Instead, they are talking about silencing those who criticize the violence of Islam, which they want shut down.
SB says
Jesus. What can I say but Jesus.
Ann Marie says
Wow…Talk about never letting a crisis go to waste..
Savvy Kafir says
Sorry! Too late! Many of us already know enough about Islam to despise it utterly. And, one way or another, we will continue to tell the truth about this vile ideology. We will not be silenced.
sheliak says
NZ should be a wake up call for the globalists that the boiling cauldron of mass immigration into the west is about to blow its lid. If muslims continue in their efforts to curtail the ancient freedoms of the average western man on the street, the violent backlash will accelerate and intensify. Unfortunately, I fear they won’t and it will.
abad says
Moslems – and Islam – simply do not belong in a country like New Zealand.
Moslems need to stick to their Middle Eastern desert.
ntesdorf says
“International Union for Muslim Scholars “calls on non-Muslim countries to ban the spread of hatred against Islam” is rather like someone calling on people to resist the incoming tide.
elee says
They kill maim destroy and oppress. When (if) their handiwork gets reported they say it’s all Islamophobic propaganda and lies. They are right about the propaganda part. It leads reasonable men and women to fear Islam, and word of these occurrences should be propagated to the world.
na says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#/media/File:Konstantin_Makovsky_-_The_Bulgarian_martyresses.jpg
Please do not forget your past. This is a history . PM of New Zealand should understand the history of Islam , they raped your sisters for 1400 years. There is a curse on Muslims Muslims and their generation, until they confess what they have done against non-Muslims historically.And either Muslim should stop terrorism otherwise you may face the same action what you have seen in New Zealand.
The government should monitor illegal immigrants and they should ask for their legal documents. Even in a small country like New Zealand they are not doing that . Government supports all terrorism. And Mosque where shooting took place was a radical Mosque .that Mosque has a past , Many ISIS terrorists visited there with Gun .
CRUSADER says
Jacinda Ardern, PM of NZ wears hijab and then tells Kiwis that gun control measures are to be restricted further….as if that is the answer…
(It’s freedom of speech which will allow for the discussion to take place, not censorship….
Resolution over the situation and understanding the problem comes from discussion.)
Hijab wearing New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern:
na says
She is a weak and unpopular leader (Is she a PM- Looks like a nanny) like Justin Trudeau, Mama Merkel, Macron, that aunt from Italy who deals Iranian nuclear deal.
Strong leaders are Salvini, Putin ,Trump …..
amnotacrybaby says
Time for the conservative Christians to march in the street…
Jule Bacal says
That would probably have the opposite effect. Use more engenuity. and never make ‘Christian only’ and remember, everything Christians fight for as a Right against others, is opening the Door WIDE to all Muslims to do the same. Lets just leave Religion out of this. Its a loser technique on the World wide level. EVERYONE and anyone should be against Islam killing Christians, Hindu, Buddhists, Armenean, Kurds, Zoroastrians, Jews, Jains, Sikh, ETC. It should be united.
WHY DOESN”T MEDIA TELL US ABOUT NIGERIA, Mozanbique, Somalia.
WHY doesn’t media report the investigation of the Philly Mosque for Child marriages and rapes of children. That Catholics and just men do this is NO EXCUSE and is not a RELIGIOUS EXCUSE. Good someone is investigating with victims and witnesses.
Mark Christian says
How about…..go FUCK yourselves!
Prakash says
These people want all non Muslim countries to be tolerant towards Muslims, but don’t request Saudi Arabia and some other Muslim countries to allow freedom of worship in their countries. In other countries only some people’s minds contain hatred. But for Muslims, the scripture it self is double standard. When they are minority they show love part of the scripture. When they are majority, they show the hate part of the scripture. These types of massacres can be easily avoided if all the Muslim countries allow other Faiths to have their prayer houses in their countries, just like all other nations allow Muslims to have mosques in their countries. When these Muslims want to expand in other parts of the world and not allow others to expand in muslim nations, these types of incidents can never be avoided and infact will raise as the Muslim population start raising in other countries. Infact if all the muslim countries allow other Faiths in their land and show tolerance towards the other people, then followers of all other faiths, definitely believe that Quran is God’s will given to humans, and all the people in the world convert to muslims.If muslim nations don’t allow other faiths in their countries, why would other nations or some of its intolerant people allow muslims to pray in their countries. So the solution is in these people’s hands, but they never want it to happen. Because they know if they allow other faiths in to their countries, their faith will collapse, because their scripture can not withstand logic, just like all other scriptures of the world. Only hamanity will survive in future and all faiths will become minute followed only by uneducated and cheaters.