“If we want to make Islam less hated, we need to find out what wrong we have done, although we would like to say we have done no wrong.” “Islam teaches its followers not to indulge in violence but ‘we are not following those teachings’, he said.”
Yeah, it’s a real head-scratcher. If anyone has any dislike for or suspicion of Islam, it’s because of Nidal Malik Hasan, Salman Abedi, Syed Rizwan Farook, Tashfeen Malik, Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Osama bin Laden, Anwar al-Awlaki, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and innumerable other jihad mass murderers and jihad terror masterminds. The entire “Islamophobia” enterprise is a massive bait-and-switch, designed to shift attention away from actual jihad killers, and shift blame for their deeds onto the small group of counterterror analysts and human rights activists who are actually trying to call attention to what they are doing.
“Islam teaches its followers not to indulge in violence…”
“Kill them wherever you find them” (Qur’an 2:191, 4:89, cf. 9:5)
“Dr M calls on Muslims to look within themselves for causes of Islamophobia,” by Minderjeet Kaur, FMT News, March 24, 2019:
PETALING JAYA: With Islamophobia still prevalent, Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad has called on Muslims to not only look at the attitudes of their critics but to ask themselves if they could be contributing to such perception.
“Have we done anything to deserve that kind of name?
“If we want to make Islam less hated, we need to find out what wrong we have done, although we would like to say we have done no wrong,” he said in an interview with PTV World in Pakistan.
Mahathir, who was on a three-day official visit to Pakistan from Thursday, said Muslims should try to eliminate their wrongdoing and support their good behaviour with publicity.
“We need people who talk sense and who can tell (others) what Islam is all about,” he said when asked by host Omar Khalid Butt on ways to counter Islamophobia, adding that Islam teaches Muslims not to fight nor to kill each other.
“Islam teaches its followers not to indulge in violence but “we are not following those teachings”, he said.
Mahathir also said Muslims should explain the religion to their audience through the internet.
“Muslims should be able to tell their side of their story so that it is not dominated by only foreign countries that do not like us.”…
Jay Dillon says
Where oh where might we find out what wrong Islam has done? Try Jihad Watch, or The Religion of Peace, or Bare Naked Islam, or Pamela Geller’s Geller Report, or… READ THE DAMN NEWS !
CRUSADER says
News Flash:
“HOTEL MUMBAI” movie
starring Dev Patel, Armie Hammer, Nazanin Boniadi, Anupam Kher, and Jason Isaacs.
After screening the movie, if you were staying at such a hotel, what would YOU do ?
‘Hotel Mumbai’ Review: Terrorist Docudrama Stuns, Deeply Unsettles …
https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/hotel-mumbai-review-1202933172/
Film Review: ‘Hotel Mumbai’
Like rubbernecking at the scene of a global tragedy, ambitious docudrama uneasily re-creates the 2008 Mumbai attacks … to what end?
Who’s to blame for popularizing reenactments of real-life terrorist attacks? Should we point the finger at “United 93” director Paul Greengrass, or maybe Steven Spielberg’s morally gray “Munich” a year earlier? The entire genre traces back to Gillo Pontecorvo’s game-changing “The Battle of Algiers” in 1966, which challenged our ideas of on-screen realism by posing as a cinema vérité newsreel. Even so, such re-creations didn’t become chic until after 9/11, when action movies in which folks such as Sean Connery and Arnold Schwarzenegger saved the day from terrorist plots gave way to those in which successful attacks became the focus.
There’s little doubt that “Hotel Mumbai” director Anthony Maras has seen all these movies and then some, although what’s not so clear is why he felt compelled to tell the story of the 2008 Mumbai attacks — a series of 12 separate terror incidents that culminated in the bloody siege on the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel, where the bulk of the film takes place, and where stars such as Armie Hammer and Dev Patel mix with unknowns to portray how real people reacted to those events. Sitting through the harrowing events again nearly a decade later could hardly be described as entertainment, and the film plays to many of the same unseemly impulses that make disaster movies so compelling, exploiting the tragedy of the situation for spectacle’s sake. Here, Maras’ intent seems to be a chance for audiences to consider that universal question:
“What would you do if you found yourself in the same situation?”
Based on hundreds of hours of firsthand research by Maras and co-writer John Collee, who interviewed survivors and witnesses of the three-day ordeal, “Hotel Mumbai” aims to present a reliable image of what actually happened during that period when 10 members of Islamic terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Taiba turned the Indian metropolis into a scene of panic and confusion. And yet, as someone who lived in New York on the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks and in Paris during the 11/13 Bataclan shooting, I can attest that it captures very little of either — not the normal human response, as adrenaline takes over rational thinking under such intense circumstances, nor the scariest feeling of all: that even in the era of instant Twitter updates and pervasive news coverage, it’s impossible to know what’s going on beyond your immediate experience when something like this happens.
You may hear sirens in the distance, but is that a sign that help is on the way or indications of a fresh attack somewhere else in town? (As it happens, the same siege was the subject of another film, Nicolas Saada’s “Taj Mahal,” told from the perspective of a terrified French teenager trapped in one of the rooms — and while that movie isn’t nearly as technically accomplished, it does more closely approximate the experience of being there, cut off from the kind of information that could save your life.)
That’s not to say “Hotel Mumbai” isn’t impressive or gripping. As debut features go, it’s a formidable achievement, delivering on the promise shown by Maras’ harrowing 2011 short “The Palace,” which earned him two Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts Awards — and the chance to make this movie. Depicting the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus from the p.o.v. of characters hiding in cupboards, “The Palace” was good practice for the way Maras approaches the attack on the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel 30-odd years later.
As in Greengrass’ “United 93,” the film opens by introducing (and in some way humanizing) the nervous young jihadists preparing to carry out the strikes for which they have been trained by someone known only as “the Bull” back in Pakistan, before shifting its focus to the predominantly white collection of characters caught in the mayhem. Maras follows a pair of gunmen into a restroom of the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus train station, where they load their weapons before opening fire on the crowded public space (we see only their escape, as news reports describe the carnage), kicking off the terror spree. Some time later, at the Café Leopold not far from the Taj Hotel, Australian tourists are sorting the bill when another terrorist tosses a bomb into the building, opening fire on the survivors.
These scenes are worse than nearly anything one can imagine in a horror movie, not just because they actually happened but for the way they open the door to an entirely new kind of nightmare: For those visiting Mumbai that late November day, there was no reason to think anything like this was possible, but the truth is, it could happen anywhere.
Still, the first third of the movie feels especially disorganized, juggling the introduction and arrival of many characters (absurdly enough, it starts to feel like a cross between “The Grand Budapest Hotel” and “Clue”) with the outbreak of violence. As the movie goes on, the many narrative strands seem to converge, taking excellent advantage of the spaces Maras’ production design team so meticulously dressed to suggest the Taj hotel (exteriors are the real deal, embellished by CGI).
Stunningly framed and photographed, then later desaturated to give things the cool, neutral feel Maras wanted, DP Nick Remy Matthews’ outstanding footage sometimes clashes with the melodrama it contains. Or perhaps it’s the weirdly uneven performances, delivered in a nine languages, that don’t fit the film’s visual striking aesthetic. It can’t help that Maras likes to intermix the most terrifying details with absurdist humor, as when the four Islamist gunmen, apparently unfazed by murdering infidels, are confronted with doing things that challenge their beliefs, like reaching into a woman’s shirt, or accidentally eating haram canapés containing pork.
In depicting the characters’ behavior, what ethical obligation does Maras have to be accurate to the events of that night, or is it enough to channel the spirit of everyone’s behavior? For example, what do we make of Hammer’s character, a traditional “white savior” type who leaves his place of safety to check in on the infant son (and his nanny) that he’d left upstairs but later jeopardizes both of their lives? Why give him such a prominent role when so many of the Indian characters — the exceptions being Patel’s Arjun, a kitchen worker who’s also worried about his wife and child, and Anupam Kher, who plays master chef Hemant Oberoi — are reduced to just a scene or two?
But “Hotel Mumbai” doesn’t subscribe to traditional notions of heroism, providing no one even remotely action star-like to stand up to the gunmen. The puny local police squad appear clumsy and completely out of their depth, posing little threat to the terrorists. It took Indian Special Forces many hours to arrive on the scene, during which time, hotel guests and staff were repeatedly forced to decide between the most immediate impulse for survival (several employees take the opportunity to protect themselves and go home) and the far more selfless choice of risking their lives in hopes of saving others. Whatever else it may offer to audiences — vicarious thrills, emotional catharsis — “Hotel Mumbai” serves as a testament to those remarkable individuals.
https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/hotel-mumbai-review-1202933172/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8IxhVslvro
gravenimage says
What an absolutely sickening review from Variety.
Hotel Mumbai looks well worth seeing.
I would also recommend seeing United 93, Captain Phillips, and Argo. Most of these films are not perfect–none of them completely understand the role of Islam in Jihad terror–but they are still important films about both Jihad and the courage of those who have opposed it.
CRUSADER says
“Let’s Roll!”
“They’re not here to fish…”
“oh, Argo! F — yourself!”
😉
So, what movie got Jihad the most right?
“13 Hours” ?
gravenimage says
I haven’t actually seen “13 Hours” yet, but it is on my list.
And thanks for citing the brave Todd Beamer–a hero from my own neck of the woods.
christianblood says
In the meantime, US ally Brunei’s law mandating STONING TO DEATH of gays & adulterers to come into force next week. More below:
https://www.rt.com/news/455006-brunei-gays-sharia-stoning/
Wellington says
Meanwhile, Sharia law exists in Chechnya, which is even worse because Chechnya is technically a part of Russia while Brunei is in no way a part of the US..
When the hell are you going to get it, christianblood?
mortimer says
Wellington, a genocidal fascist like BloodthirstyPseudochristian will not reform. He is living in his imperial Russian supremacist fairy castle.
gravenimage says
Yes, the US should be much more rigorous in its criticism of the growing horrors of Shari’ah in Brunei–as should Britain. But christianblood’s implication that the West has been silent over this is either mistaken or dishonest:
“Sultan of Brunei hits back at foreign criticism of looming implementation of Sharia law that will introduce amputations and stonings as punishments”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2574637/Brunei-sultan-urges-country-support-Islamic-law.html
In fact, the very RT article christianblood links to notes that Western human rights groups have been very vocal in their opposition to this Islamic savagery.
And this is bizarre from christianblood, in any case–he has repeatedly refused to condemn the hanging of gay people in Iran, and concentration camps for gays and state calling for their Honor Killings in Chechnya.
He has, in fact, demanded that God allow Muslims to conquer the West because we *don’t* persecute gay people.
It is pretty obvious that the only reason christianblood cites this critically here is not because he opposes it, but because he thinks he can get in a dig at the West.
kuriakose says
Brunei’s riches come from oil. Formerly it was the Anglo Dutch Shell company who was in charge of the oil, now it is a joint venture between Brunei and Shell: Brunei Shell Petroleum (BSP), a joint venture owned in equal shares by the Brunei Government and the Royal Dutch/Shell group of companies, is the chief oil and gas production company in Brunei. It also operates the country’s only refinery. BSP and four sister companies constitute the largest employer in Brunei after the government. BSP’s small refinery has a distillation capacity of 10,000 barrels per day (1,600 m3/d). This satisfies domestic demand for most petroleum products.
We have other companies like Elf Aquitaine, japanese and Korean companies.
I don’t see western countries or Japan, Korea etc going to be too bothered by these developments. After all, they are doing very good business in Nigeria and Arab countries. in spite of syariah and persecution of Christians and other minorities. Same with the US, Russia too in various muslim countries.You have to appreciate that those who determine policies of countries are the ones with the money. It is all about keeping the money generating machines running. Deals with the devils are justifiable in their sight.
As to Putin doing deals with Chechnya, let’s face the truth, ie Chechnya is unfortunately a muslim majority country. Where would there ever be a democracy in such a country? It is one islamist vs another one. Do you mean to say the rebels that Putin fought against were peaceful democracy loving people?
The only justification I can see is that Putin had to make a deal, ie you do what you like in Chechnya as long as you do not export terrorism to Russia, and continue the economic alliance to develop oil and gas resources, I will lok away. The US was making similar deals with neighbouring islamic countries, but remember US is far away from these countries not like Russia. Russia has an enormous problem with muhameddans in their country as well as along so many borders, and I think it is to their credit thay have controlled it fairly well. Tell me, what about Europe, allowing a minority muhameddans to dictate so much and also conduct so many jihadi killings?
You must not forget the bloody Chechen war, Russia suffered a lot, and there is no way they can ever win unless they nuke the whole place. So I see it as an unfortunate situation where a deal has to be made with the devil you know rather than invite another devil who the US supports to gain a military and strategic advantage over Russia.
As I said before, all these situations are clouded by Western nations interference in order to gain economic and strategic benefits. Eg why did US through the peace loving Christian Carter train jihadis to get rid of the socialist government in Afghanistan? See the consequences of those actions today, jihadis continue from their camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan creating mayhem. What about the US allying with Pakistan,training jihadis, financing them etc? And this country is one of the worst in persecuting Christians. Not to forget their constant terror attacks in Kashmir. And we are already aware of all the jihadi criminals and terrorists (of which Chechens featured prominently) fighting in former Yugoslavia with the blesings and aid from US/Nato alliance.
So in the end for people like me, I see very clearly that the world is too far gone for us to make any real change. If one of us was elected to a very high position, can we make any real change? Not really. I see that Trump has done quite a bit, but he ever be successful? Jesus said we must be born again, unless every one is born again, the world will only march on its crazy path to war and more wars.
None of us wish evil upon any of our fellow human beings, but it is clear that Western policies towards muhameddans are only encouraging them to commit more crimes against infidels, and the western liberals are turning a blind eye. Robert Spencer, David Wood, Frontpage Mag, David Horowitz, Christian Prince, Jay Smith, Islam critiqued, DCCI, Soco, etc are doing a sterling job educating us about islam. But that’s all they can do, if the general public wilfully ignore them and governments silence them, then the inevitable will happen, ie bloodshed and chaos.
christianblood says
kuriakose
Thank you so very much for your long analysis on Brunei, Chechnya, Russia and the US/Nato’s long-standing pro-Islamist and anti-Russian policies! I couldn’t agree more! I don’t think (Graven & Wellington) have the historical or moral capacity to appreciate or understand your comprehensive analysis that you so skillfully laid out here! Don’t forget the fact that they are also blinded by propaganda, lies and historical distortions fed to them constantly by the Western MSM and the Western liberal imperialists classes that rule over them! Have a great day bro keeping in mind all the time that (…Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms…) Eph 6:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feu2owd0MsY
Wellington says
Seems, kuriokase, you’re saying that what Putin has done he had to do and shouldn’t be blamed for it but what the West has done was often avoidable and therefore it’s time to kick the West again. I don’t necessarily disagree with all you wrote but you let Putin off the hook and not the West.
What I object to about christianblood is that he hates the West, Russia can do no wrong, blah, blah, blah. I and many others here at JW have faulted the West often times, including my own country, America, an example being the recognition of Kosovo as an independent state. This was both wrong and stupid. But christianblood just ignores Russian wrongs (examples being a cyber attack on Estonia, GRU military intelligence units interfering in other nations’ elections, including America’s, where there certainly was no collusion by the Trump campaign but nonetheless Russia made amateurish attempts to interfere in our electoral process, cozy relations with the despicable Iranian regime and mischief making in Ukraine, including the completely internationally illegal annexation of Crimea).
I simply want balance and not a constant litany of how wonderful Holy Mother Russia is. Christianblood is incapable of this. I hope you aren’t too.
gravenimage says
kuriakose, no civilized nation should be playing footsie with these Islamic thugs.
And you are mistaken in believing that Chechyna is a separate country–it is not. It is part of Russia, and Putin is allowing Shari’ah law on Russian soil. This kind of bowing to Muslim demands is *not* going to make anyone safer.
gravenimage says
It is bizarre that christianblood includes a Christian chant in a post where he condones Russia allowing brutal Shari’ah law in Chechnya.
This is the kind of thing is actually happening there:
“Russia: Muslims with guns and petrol bombs storm church, murder two police officers and a churchgoer”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/russia-muslims-with-guns-and-petrol-bombs-storm-church-murdering-two-police-officers-and-a-churchgoer
Note that while christianblood comments on that story several times he refuses to say anything critical of Muslims attacking a church and murdering a church-goer there, even when he is asked to.
The idea that people like Wellington and myself would wink at these sorts of horrors, but that we lack the moral capacity to do so is just disgusting.
Anti-Jihadists condemn condoning and enabling Islam whether it is done by the West or anyone else. Not so christianblood.
gravenimage says
Good points, Wellington.
kuriakose says
Wellington, this is not about exonerating Putin but rather trying to put things in perspective.
Chechnya may be part of Russia, but in reality it is autonomous and a muhameddan state. I thought I made it clear that if Russia seems to be cosy with the current warlord then it is more a case of the devil you know than the devil you do not. We already had the CIA instigating jihadis in Chechnya. The aim of the US has always been to set up regimes which would allow them access to the economic potential of the country. And as the Russians already had a stakehold in Chechnya, they were not going to allow it. And you know the resulting bloody Chechen war. Peace can only come by making some compromise with a local warlord. So I guess that’s what Russia did, allow this particular warlord rule, and being autonomous and a muhameddan country, you really have no choice. We are not talking religion here, we are talking more about geopolitical, economic and strategic interests.
You forget too that many Russians are very nationalistic. Who can forget the European, US vultures and hyenas gathering around the dying corpse of Soviet Russia, looking for easy pickings from the wealth of a vast relatively untapped country. So Putin becomes a hero, as he manages to stop these hyenas and rescue his country. Russians will certainly have pride in Putin. Quite unlike the West, hardly any loyalty to any leader. Maybe that’s why christianblood feels particularly aggrieved with the West. Serbians too dislike the US intensely for demonising them and aiding jihadis etc, even bombing their country.
The US and the Europeans are the ones whose actions have aided jihadis. Why go into Iraq? Afghanistan? You only replace one thug with another set of thugs. Can you ever bring democracy to these muslim countries? No. Don’t they know it? As a result of their actions, it is clear Christian minorities and muslims too suffer even more. Anglo Dutch Shell company in Nigeria is making huge profits, what would they care about Christians being abused and murdered daily there? Not a bit.
The actions of the US and its allies has repercussions being felt as blowback, however what do the leaders and the ones who initiate these actions care? They are safe in their protected havens. I particularly find Carter, that Christian president loathsome, now walking around promoting peace.
So the big question one needs to ask is this: In this silly geopolitical war between Russia and US, who wins? The muhameddan is the one, as each side enlists particular muhameddan groups. Look at Syria for example, Syrian Democratic Forces? The very name is an oxymoron. Seems to me a cynical attempt by US etc to claim they are aiding democracy in Syria. It will only end up like Iraq. I understand that the muslim brotherhood is behind the uprising in Syria. So we want to get rid of one dictator to bring in some worse ones? Like in Afghanistan, Iraq?
So the big question we need to think about is how the superpowers, in their quest for economic and strategic dominance, are happy to work with muhameddan groups in order to further their aims. And the ordinary folk suffer.
And I must say Putin is doing much better at controlling jihadi attacks than the West. It is surrounded by so many muslim countries, a large muslim population. Compare to Europe, where much smaller percentage of muhameddans in UK, Sweden, are already running parallel syariah courts, having inordinate political influence, not to mention the jihadi attacks, rapes, etc AND the unwillingness of the leaders of Europe to tackle the root causes of all these, which is the ideology of islam.
So my contention is that the West, ie US and Europe are only interested in economic, strategic and geopolitical gains above everything else, and willing to sacrifice their own citizens for it. Current economic systems need fresh injection of loans, and all these relatively untapped countries (Former Soviet Russia) are prize catches for bankers, developers and resource companies. So fake news becomes widespread, to keep up a false narrative of bringing “democracy” (ah that magic word) to these countries, and painting Russia in the worst light.
I would like to ask you one frank question. How do you deal with the islamic menace? And also back in history, where Christians aided muhameddans against other Christians for various reasons-theological differences, seduced by bribes etc. Is history going to repeat itself?
christianblood says
Kuriakose
Another great piece of excellent information about the subject matter!
Thank you!
gravenimage says
kuriakose, the implication that Muslims are peaceful but it is the CIA “inciting” them to wage violent Jihad is, with all respect, just ludicrous.
kuriakose says
gravenimage, if you read carefully what I said, there is NOWHERE the implication the CIA incites jihadists to action. What I said simply means jihadists find an EXCUSE to justify their vile deeds as per islamic theology. After all, CIA etc are lumped under the Christian West, though you and I know clearly that is not the case. But as I have always said, this simply gives rationale to apologists and muddies the waters, when we could clearly delineate the actions of CIA, US etc under the umbrella of greed, economic and strategic interests and nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. Many people in non islamic worlds despise the US for precisely the reasons I mentioned. And it only gives cover to apologists for islam. If only the US becomes a force for good, not an arm of multinational firms, bankers, etc how wonderful that would be. And those who accuse Russia of political interference should note that the US too has been interfering in many other nation’s elections, to elect dictators amenabe to their strategic interests.
If only the US and others understood this, the fight against islam would be much easier. I have seen many non muslim leftists use the behaviour of the US to excuse jihadi actions under the umbrella of ‘nationalism’.
Please try to understand what I said. I hate islam as much as you do.
t. says
“Yeah, it’s a real head-scratcher”
You made me really laugh out loud, Robert!
Thanks a lot.
Gordon Miller says
This guy needs to re-read the Qur’an.
gravenimage says
Not really. Malaysia is an Islamic state that oppresses women and Infidels. You can’t run such a state if you know nothing about Islam. This is just more Taqiyya.
jule says
You would think he had read the Qur’an…..He still can’t he figure it out?
gravenimage says
Mahathir Mohamad wrote a book titled “Islam & the Muslim Ummah”.
I’m afraid the idea that he knows nothing about Islam and the Qur’an is not the case.
RL says
Postmodernists in western countries are going to be all over this guy. While his claim of not knowing what Islam has done to be hated seems hypocritical, unless he’s using this as a rhetorical device, at least this man is asking Muslims to take personal responsibility for their own situation, which fundamentally contradicts the Postmodernist mantra that everybody who is not white European is an oppressed minority that deserves victimhood status. It contrasts with Obama’s attitude about Islamic terrorism when he asked us to find out what have we done to Muslims to make them hate us.
elee says
This guy’s got to be practising export-grade taqiyqq. I can hear a billion real Muslims saying in hundreds of languages: Who cares what the kafirs think, just kill ’em like the prophet said in Medina.
gravenimage says
+1
elee says
READ YOUR DAMNED SCRIPTURES. Mr. Prime Minister. Sir. Your excellency.
gravenimage says
He knows them all too well.
James says
That is the leftist line that is used everywhere, so of course this man from the 3rd world is just saying what the left wants. And of course blame the victim is par for the leftist strategy. They always have to be for the oppressed, and thus the terrorists have to be oppressed. They may be muslims and terrorists, but they still have to be treated like the injured party with the true grievances, not their victims.
CRUSADER says
There’s a martial art silat hybrid synthesizing the effective fighting “styles” of Malaysia, Indonesia, and Philippines:
Maphilindo or Filindomala…
Quite a blend and a mixture of recipes for disaster and destructiveness….
Well, the SouthEast Asians should learn something from Pakistani-Canadian refusenik lesbian Muslima author Irshad Manji: that Islam can be about Allah AND Liberty AND Love….
Irshad Manji conversation on
“Allah, Liberty and Love”
Oxford presentation:
“A version of Islam which is entirely compatible with the essentials of a liberal democracy”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vw2Q1fVmE
mgoldberg says
The Prime Minister suffers from a religious tenet known as ‘Denialism.’
That is, he refuses to look at what his Prophet demanded, and what was concretized in the hadiths thereafter, and the daily history that evidences the rivers of blood, and body parts for 1400 yrs.
No Fear says
The Quran divides the world into muslim and non muslim, The Quran then describes how muslims prevail over the non muslims. But who decides who is muslim enough? It is an endless fight of “more muslim” against “less muslim”. That is why muslim extremists attack moderate muslims and kaffir. The problem is the Quran’s ideology of dividing the world into muslim and non muslim. Ban the Quran. The violence will never end.
CRUSADER says
Dar al Harb
Dar al Islam
=========
Dar Al Harb and Dar Al Islam “Explained”
……………………………………………………….
Justin Parrott on his FB writes:
One of the Islamic terms misused by extremists, either for or against Islam, is the classical legal designation of a territory as “the land of war” (dar al-ḥarb). The conventional and mistaken thinking among Orientalists was that the “land of Islam” (dar al-Islām) was perpetually at war with the outside world of unbelievers until they came under the political control of Muslims.
Jihadist extremists like ISIS copied this kind of thinking and they reinterpreted classical Islamic legalese in highly-ideological terms and under the influence of Marxist and fascist revolutionaries, which is how they put a pseudo-Islamic veneer over their open call on the internet to commit acts of terrorism against nearly anyone in the world for any reason. In reality, the term dar al-ḥarb, besides being a derivative not stated in the Quran or Sunnah, was more *descriptive* than it was *prescriptive*.
That is, dar al-ḥarb was the description of a land in which it was unsafe to practice Islam. It was telling Muslims it was dangerous to go there. It was NOT a prescription to attack a peaceful neighboring country just because they had a different religion. The majority of jurists said non-Muslims are only fought if they declare war (ḥirābah) first, as per verse 2:190. Moreover, the jurists frequently employed the term “land of conciliation” (dar al-ṣulḥ) to describe neighboring lands that had peaceful relations with Muslims.
The abuse of archaic terms like dar al-ḥarb are key principles in both the Islamophobic and Jihadist ideologies. Although their goals are ostensibly opposed, they both are working towards a “clash of civilizations” as a means to bolster their own domestic agendas. We’ll keep trying to dismantle this ideology in our writings, piece by piece, God willing.
https://vimeo.com/204627214
Keys says
Crusader, do you believe this Imam’s explanation of Dar al Harb and Dar al Islam ?
Given the al walaa wal baraa “doctrine”, I find it hard to believe.
gravenimage says
What a boatload of Taqiyya.
Wellington says
Well, as both Jesus and Buddha said, “I have been made victorious with terror.” Oh wait, this was a statement by Mo, Bukhari Hadith 4.52.220.
The Malaysian Prime Minister wants to know what wrong Muslims have done and why Islam is hated? Start with its reputed founder and go from there, and make sure you include not only the at least 270 million murdered in the name of Islam since the 7th century but, more recently, the over 34,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11.
Man, refuting this turkey is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. But then refuting any Muslim about their warped belief system is.
Gettin’ any of this, lebel? No, of course you’re not.
CRUSADER says
If you shoot fish in a barrel, doesn’t the water run out through the holes made by the bullets hitting the bottom of the barrel?
Wellington says
Still get the fish. Whatever.
CRUSADER says
Wellington, have you come across this site yet?
MarkHumphrys.com
Dr. Mark Humphrys
Irish academic. PhD (Cambridge).
Atheist. Classic liberal. Pro-freedom of religion. Pro-free speech.
Pro-West. Pro-Israel. Anti-jihad. Anti-sharia.
Pro-free market. Anti-communist. Anti-Corbyn.
Pro-interventionist. Neo-con. Anti-Obama. Anti-Trump.
End tyranny everywhere. End communism. End Islamic law.
Who I block: I will debate almost anyone. I love ideas. I will not debate (and will block) people who: (a) target my job, (b) target my appearance, or: (c) libel me (such as call me racist). I will not debate such people. I will block them.
gravenimage says
Good stuff, CRUSADER.
gravenimage says
+1
CRUSADER says
Talk about Aisha….
….watch what happens to her on canvas in this art project of Mohamhead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PpE15yh58
gravenimage says
Malaysia Prime Minister: “If we want to make Islam less hated, we need to find out what wrong we have done”
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This sounds pretty good, but then is pretty much invalidated by this:
“If we want to make Islam less hated, we need to find out what wrong we have done, although we would like to say we have done no wrong.” “Islam teaches its followers not to indulge in violence but ‘we are not following those teachings’, he said.”
FYI says
That’s lovely but I’m not sure that looks like muhammed…
“When Ubaydullah saw him he said,”This prophet muhammed of yours is fat and a dwarf”
Abu Dawud 40:4731
when drawing muhammed I never feel comfortable …about putting in all his.. black slaves;it never seems right.
Oh and …given he was a cross-dresser who liked to wear Aisha’s clothes whilst channeling “allah”{Sahih bukhari 2442}would a pink Polka dot dress be OK to draw?
Jaladhi says
Muslims are so braindead, thanks to teachings of Quran, that they don’t know what wrong they have done!! Can’t this moron read and see the Islamic history of last 1400 years and yet he believes Islam teaching non-violence. Mohammad was no Mahatma Gandhi that he taught non-violence to his followers. On the contrary he told his followers to kill non-Muslims wherever they can find them(non-Muslims). One wonders the gall of Muslims – they are so arrogant, hypocrites and stupid, all at the same time. Mahathir needs a lesson in Islamic history!1
Anjuli Pandavar says
Careful, Mahathir. You’re sailing awfully close to the wind. Have you snipped a hundred verses out of your Qur’an and now passing it off as the real thing? Pakistan has a serious blasphemy-fetish, you know. And as for, your needing “people who talk sense and who can tell (others) what Islam is all about,” we’ve got those, plenty of them. They’re called non-Muslims and ex-Muslims. But then what do they know? They’re all “Islamophobes” and hate Islam. Is there something in fiqh about catch-22?
m. says
i don’t have to find out a fkng thing, d-sucker. i don’t cater to islam.
abad says
What may seem peaceful to Moslems can be perceived as violent by non-Moslems.
And Islam – and the Quran – is filled with violence towards non-Moslems.
I will continue to repeat this.
somehistory says
The abusive and controlling husband to wife with the bleeding face: “Just tell me what I did wrong and I’ll say I’m sorry and I won’t do it anymore.”
This moslim creep is like all of the others…he lies. He says the filthy book doesn’t command anything that is wrong…although he has to know that it commands killing…striking the neck…and it commands rape…whomever the hand can grab…and it commands lying, that one he has learned and has it down pat.
Telling every moslim to “look inside” is to encourage every moslim to see if he/she is following the commands to lie, steal, rape and kill any and all never and non moslims.
islam has nothing to recommend it, no virtue, no redeeming qualities. islam is straight from satan the devil. That it is satan’s evil beast is what is wrong with it. Teaching it and forcing it and following it is what is being done that is wrong.
Beverly says
Other than the ‘love’ of killing, raping and enslaving infidels, I don’t think the word ‘love’ exists in the Qur’an.
somehistory says
Beverly
moslims certainly don’t know the meaning of the word “love.’ I think it is because they rejected the True God and the Bible says that “God is Love.”
Their feelings are more of a lusting.
Dansplace2329 says
The Second Amendment is our only resource for defending ourselves when the need arises. Now their are members in congress ho want to destroy it. ithout this freedom, law abiding Americans would be helpless sitting ducks. This is why our fore fathers incorporated it in our Constitution. I will NEVER defend the few bad apples that abuse this freedom for hate or vengeance!
na says
his father moved from India to make a new proxy in Malaysia, when Indian economy was bad. Now he is thinking about India. I know the reason
“When Israel satellite landed in Moon they were surprised because they saw one Indian satellite there . India launched that 2000 years back.
He has India phobia
Bruce says
Thank you, Dr Mahathir has been an extreme hostile pious Muslim whose pet hate in SE Asia is Australia, even though the Nation State of Australia has defended Malaya from Japan WW2, communist Terrorists (Malaya Emergency), Indonesia in the Confrontation War.
CRUSADER says
Who doesn’t have India phobia?
Have you tried the curry, yet???!!!!!
Indigestion is an understatement…
🙂
duh swami says
Islam teaches peace. Peace will come when all resistance to Islam stops…If you don’t believe that, you must be one of those greasy Islamophobes we hear so much about…
Fritz says
Yeah, IF you only WANTED to make islam less hated…
jule says
Islam is supposed to strike terror into our hearts and control their own with great Fear of the all powerful all knowing Allah (as he is described by Warlords with swords/Imams with whips/ martyrs with automatics and suicide bombers with the modern versions all for Allah’s favor.)
Demsci says
Presumably the “We” he is talking about are Muslims. That right there is a big problem. Look at the structure of Islam and compare it, say, to a political party or, in his case, the government of a country, upholding it’s laws.
In a political party there are statutes, clarifying it’s principles, positions. In countries there are laws and policies, which are precise and are updated every now and then.
The leadership of parties and countries have power and can be held accountable. In turn these leaders can denounce, disavow those who they consider to speak untruthfully about the party principles or country laws. They can throw repeated transgressors out or indict them. They can authoritatively reject outsiders “straw man” arguments.
But in Islam there may be leadership but it has no power, it can only advise, but it can be ignored. Islam has the opposite of expulsion; the deathpenalty for apostasy.
So the Quran-Sira-Hadiths can be interpreted in divers ways
in divers parts of it, isolated, without showing context.
Some can say parts are now only historical, but others can say they are still prescriptive.
And no one can correct any “variations or deviations” authoritavely.
Is n’t this a weak spot in Islam? If nothing Muslims or Non-Muslim leftists proclaim about Islam, and meanings of specific texts, and descriptiveness versus prescriptiveness thereof can be invalidated,
then can’t it be argued that “Islam” ISN’T a clear religion, “party programme”, “set of laws and principles”, “set of most important guiding texts”. It gets cherry picked, muddled, twisted, reinterpreted, characterized all the time, with IMPUNITY.
“Normal” enforceable laws etc. can and should be updated. Quran-Sira-Hadiths are now, per necessity because of supposed Divine origine, immutable for a 1000 years. Will they never expire until judgement day?! And: Can there be some kind of deadline for judgement day? Say, in 2022, 1400 years after the Hijra?
jule says
It was very clear to me..the good parts are only for ‘good’ Muslims. The rest is for everyone else because they become enemies of Allah if they do not BELIEVE & obey after they have been so very nicely told. The clearest part to me was the Supremacy, intolerance of diversity or thinking, Allah Cursing of Jews and giving Abraham and all his history/sites to Islam as his Only True followers since Mohammed’s psychotic visions. In short the Qur’an is the Warlord manual to Conquest and total control of its own to go about making the global Caliphate Empire for ‘Allah’=activists and leaders.
In some ways it is like Vulture Capitalism, like Globalists, but much more Brutal, fearful and terrorizing still in 600AD style, unchanging because Allah’s words never change and neither can Islam. All Must Submit or else. One can repent if stray a little and take some punishment……Beatings and whippings of maybe 1000 lashes. Allah forgives some who break & submit…Or else punishment to torture to death on earth and then again for eternity by Allah. But if one forgets all material existence and lives only to please ‘Allah’ they get great pleasures and favor in Paradise.
Thats just what I read.
Demsci says
It is good that Mahathir Mohamed finally tries some introspection among Muslims. Can’t he address this lack of authoritative leadership, this ever increasing obsoleteness and this uncontrolled divers interpretation of Islam?
To outsiders it means that He can’t dismiss what ISIS is interpreting and they can;t dismiss how reform-Muslims or leftist commentators are interpreting. Or …. all can dismiss all with equal rights.
Does n’t this make Islam untrustworthy? Confusing? Dangerous in its lack of control of outlier interpretations? Dangerous in it;s effect of solidarity with co-religionists, regardless of how these interpret Islam?
elee says
Muslims are forbidden introspection. Koran 81:30; 33:37. I literally cannot believe that this prominent Muslim knows so little of his scriptures…..then again he is involved in the business of man-made government, which is in itself forbidden. 3:155. Export-grade taqiyya.
mortimer says
What Koran is PM Mahathir Mohamad reading from ??? Certainly, not this one:
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
t. says
Thanks, mortimer. Your comment is worth of being copied and pasted in as many places and sites on the internet as possible.
underbed cat says
Perplexed is he to look, who hides a darkness. I have no doubt this Prime Minister is sending a message, to look good and ask his muslim population to be concerned about “Islamophobia” by doing good works, to be stricken with shame at the idea that there is any suggestion that they are not peaceful or tolerant and to behave in a calm way to appear peaceful to convince those who have never read all of the verses Mortimer has listed. If they become offended, it may bring more “unjustified” criticism, or exposure at the behavior that perplexes only those who think Islam is tolerant and listen to their cries of unjustified accusations. It might be strategic move in my opinion.
Terra Nova says
A real head-scratcher M, where have you been in the past 10 years? Unbelievable !!!
Bill Houston says
Oh my! What a puzzle! Surely if we put our heads together (instead of lopping them off) we can figure this one out. Hmmm, we shouldn’t kill each other (meaning other Muslims, right?), That’s clear enough. Sunnis and Shiites should be friends. Then maybe the rest of the world would respect us. But what about non-Muslims who don’t want to convert or become second class citizens in Muslim countries? That’s a tough one. Good thing we have the answer to that in the Qur’an. Let’s open it up at random. Right! Here it is in black and white, “kill them where you find them”. That’s pretty easy, they’re almost everywhere, and many of suffer from a disorder called Islamophobia for which there is no cure except death. Problem solved.
SamB says
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Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad, it starts with you, stop persecuting those who do not follow Islam; give others the freedom to build houses of worship and freedom to congregate in their own circles. An important point is to acknowledge no thought process is without criticism and that includes Islam. Incarcerate all who violate codes of human decency. Allow Muslims (of Malaysia)to read the Qur’an in their Malaysian mother-tongue. Should a Muslim feel it necessary to find solace in another thougth process do not persecute such a person. Promote Islam through da’wa but let other religions also do the same because Islam has the freedom to do so in foreign countries. Stop child marriages; give Muslim women the right to be independent, the right to inherit, the right to be treated equally like their male counterparts. Stop FGM
gravenimage says
Yes–native Malays are not allowed to leave Islam. See the Lina Joy case.
Debi Brand says
“we need to find out what wrong we have done.”
Answer, Sir: You believed in the message of the alleged “Prophet of Islam,” thus, you followed, in words and deeds, his alleged exemplary example.
End of story, long and short of it.
J D.S says
Better to ask….what have Muslims NOT DONE WRONG?????
As I have said before and will keep saying…..THREE things that has helped Islam to continue…FORCE, FEAR and THE APOSTASY LAW without these three Islam would have , long ago, faded into obscurity.
Debi Brand says
“FORCE, FEAR and THE APOSTASY LAW without these three Islam would have , long ago, faded into obscurity.”
Undoubtedly. Indeed.
UNCLE VLADDI says
I think he was fairly honest, if his thoughts weren’t properly ordered:
Re: ““We need people who talk sense and who can tell (others) what Islam is all about,” he said when asked by host Omar Khalid Butt on ways to counter Islamophobia, adding that Islam teaches Muslims not to fight nor to kill EACH OTHER. Islam teaches its followers not to indulge in violence but “we are not following those teachings”, he said.
You know, the old “Be harsh with the infidels, but nice to each other” bit of their standard double-standards of HYPOCRISY.
😉
infidel says
FINALLY… phew that was some effort after all these centuries …. phew once again.. thank God for little mercies..
Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says
As Satan himself says, “Why do they hate me? I give them so much, what gives with these ingrates?”.
Indiana Tom says
We need to call Mister Obvious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE7YKu8apPA
revereridesagain says
Even in that Variety review we get the “predominantly white” and “white savior” b.s. with which Horrorwood has become so damned enamored that it flings the latter reprimand even at those among its own who have the effrontery to help victims in “third world” world hellholes, especially if the oppressors happen to be brown and/or belong to the “religion of peace”. Every damn one of them should be ordered to consult the website thereligionofpeace.com daily for an update on the 34,000 deadly examples of “what wrong” their precious Muslim proponents of the peace that comes only with submission to Allah.
Dansplace2329 says
No Muslims= No violence or terrorist attacks, Any doubts?……View all of the terrorist attacks in Poland which = ZERO because they have a government ZERO muslim policy! You can’t argue with actual facts!
Rich Harris says
please convey for me, my response to the prime minister of malaysia that #1, that I presume to speak for the ‘west’, rightly or wrongly and #2, our ‘crime’ is that we became civilized and weak, nothing more nothing less
peter says
We should expose our corrupt ,idiotic, self serving politicians and media for what we are going through globally . Politicians and media should be made to realize that they cannot fools people as easily as they did even a few years ago . Thanks to the advent of internet ,Jihad Watch ,Faithfreedom.org ,You Tube etc .a revolution has begun to save the world form Islam !
Alan says
One linein the statement and to him his statement is true “….. adding that Islam teaches Muslims not to fight nor to kill “”each”” other.” He is only talking about Muslim on Muslim (as long as you are the same sect) non-violence. Nice little “but” that people will not notice or understand.